What did Joker do to Jason Todd?

[@dibbage]

I didn’t think I would have to say this but everyone is complaining about why I didn’t rescue him. Just so you know you can’t actually rescue him if you try to it will just continue on to the next phase of torture.

[@s.i9050]

Hearing those screams in vr.. oh shit, it hurts

[@urielnascimento3567]

Dude uploads a video of him playing a game and giving some access to people that don't own it like me and still has to listen to/read complaints. God damn, people should just appreciate or save him themselves (if it was possible)

[@Project_Wickey]

Joker told him that he died and showed proff

[@MonkeyMoo-m1h]

Man some people are just idiots who don't understand how you can't actually save him.

[@seynpurrp]

dude was that from arkham knight? i dont remember that scene and ive fully completed the game like 250%

[@jayjitsuu]

I could’ve gone the rest of my life without actually hearing Jason being tortured in the VR game.

[@roses215n3]

I would’ve loved to. Unfortunately that didn’t happen

[@alexeifiore8573]

I was reading the comments before I got to that part, and then I saw yours, and I was like “I wonder how bad it is. Like, is it just a couple of distant yells?” But then it got to it, and I too, could’ve lived without hearing those screams. Props to the voice actor, they really capture all the emotions well.

[@juanitatillman6115]

i love this vid

[@zmetroplayz2456]

@@alexeifiore8573 Ikr its so sad to hear...

[@nerfcontent9429]

I should’ve listened to this comment when I had the chance...

[@FATE522]

Can you imagine how much darker Arkham Knight would have been to see a child like in the Red Hood movie in barbed wired and tortured by the Joker instead of what looks like a eighteen year old?

[@SlimKim3]

This isn't a movie about Red Hood it's a video game about Batman

[@FATE522]

@@SlimKim3 You're not understanding what I'm talking about respectfully. I'm just saying if Jason was a kid like the movie and comic it'd be more dark.

[@omardiagne9185]

@@FATE522 I don't think they would let a scene like that pass, sounds too horrible to watch

[@FATE522]

@@omardiagne9185 I don't know, this game is rated M. And given the fact there's a PG-13 movie showing different angles of Joker beating a boy with a crowbar. Not that hard for a rated M game to have a child going through a chair in barbed wire and having his arms suspended upward while his legs are cuffed. Overall Arkham Knight pales in comparison to what the comics had with Jason being tortured.

[@YouGottaShootEmInTheHead]

@@omardiagne9185 well stop being a bitch for the sake of continuity and artistic integrity, the whole torture they showcase is so fucking mild is straight white boy mayonnaise

[@neofulcrum5013]

This would’ve been the last straw for me if I was Batman.

[@zmetroplayz2456]

same

[@jaegercat6702]

That’s what makes Batman so impressive. The fact that even after all that, Batman still remembers his moral code and follows it. It’s really what makes him so unique. In his best incarnations, Batman NEVER breaks.

[@beezmanit2683]

@AYUSH JAGANI so kill him and become like him a killer? But seriously bat should have thrown him on a prison in moon

[@justastrangerontheinternet1359]

@@beezmanit2683 even if he did become a killer he killed for a good reason

[@frostchaotic3691]

@@beezmanit2683 yes kill him. For a fucking genius Bruce is a bit stupid sometimes

[@danielbaguley2483]

Being tortured for information you may or may not have is one thing, but being tortured for someone's pleasure is just a nightmare scenario.

[@tutszumi]

Cuz it means they won't stop 😢

[@josemathias5342]

The saddest fact is that there is someone right now somewhere in the world who is being tortured for psychopath pleasure…

[@The-knight-from-arkham]

No wonder bro killed the Joker

[@moafighting1597]

him screaming in vr tears me to pieces inside

[@daddyspider7395]

Bro for real

[@joseph_the_moon4431]

ikr, it made me tear

[@oneangryboi408]

DC: You liked seeing Jason beaten animated, and in 3D? Fans: DC: Well now you can see him decimated in VR too!

[@generalj216]

Yeah it’s fucking haunting

[@Milothepug20]

I wanted so badly to cry when I heard his screams. I could even hear some of the words he said🥺😥😭

[@python.programmer5567]

You’d think the world’s greatest detective would find him before a YEAR

[@JoeMama-sd2kl]

Batmans overrated asf lmao

[@nathansiregar3360]

tbf its been stated multiple times that batman fears joker because he's very unpredictable. His level of insanity is just so bizzarre compared to batman's other opponents

[@LeviAckerman-qe6ko]

Joker sent Batman video of him "killing" Jason, as far as Batman knew, Jason was already dead.

[@aerodynamiccow3597]

He believed Jason died in the explosion, not knowing joke saved him to continue the torture. Batman is still human so he can be tricked

[@unknownindividual6323]

@@aerodynamiccow3597 The fact he didnt try to see if it was a trick by the joker and just accepted it angers me. Batman is in my opinion evil for allowing evil to continue for his code. Jason Todd will always be my favorite bat family member. He suffered alot but became in my opinion a better person because of it, he has issues but his make sense unlike Batman's issues.

[@phillipsolis7326]

He didn’t just have the goons dress up as Batman to beat him. He’d drug him with fear toxin and then have them beat the shit out of him until one day joker let him fight back and gave him the choice to kill them. And he did.

[@culleeyy]

Joker is really that smart

[@TheBlackAztec3]

@@culleeyy yea he’s a master at manipulation and hitting the right spot.

[@TheBlackAztec3]

When I read that I was thinking They probably sexually abused him too considering the fact that rape is very common in prison and it said the inmates played with them

[@buffon5100]

1:24 what comic is it?

[@silentgrind34]

@@buffon5100 did you find this out

[@sacoma_1233]

The lines from 5:45 to 6:34 are truly heart-wrenching and just... incredible. Troy Baker did such a fantastic job capturing Jason's pain and hopelessness through his voice... Joker has never felt like more of a monster than in that scene.

[@90snickshows84]

I thought him torturing Tim and turning him into a miniature Joker was horrific enough but considering how much Jason went through over the course of 2 years compared to the 3 weeks Tim endured this is actually much worse

[@ihatevice]

“Heart wrenching” it’s a video game bro

[@sacoma_1233]

@@ihatevice Oh my bad, I didn't realize that you get to deem what entertainment mediums are capable of being heart-wrenching.

[@sjsh5837]

@@ihatevice Not all of us play shitty Basketball games, bro.

[@carnage0685]

@@ihatevice Speak for yourself.

[@cheesedood1640]

Wow I never even noticed Jason had bad posture from all of the wire and sitting, amazing attention to detail.

[@zorathemagic7310]

I dont get why he doesnt sit up..

[@user-pe8kx1kj7z]

@@zorathemagic7310 maybe because it fucking tells you why and shows you dipshit

[@ParadiseLordRyu]

@@zorathemagic7310 barbed wire

[@Alwayshere5031]

@@user-pe8kx1kj7z what? 🤣🤣

[@heythereimkike]

Is this why he walks kinda bulky in his dlc?

[@ZVisionss]

And people still have the audacity to say Jason's backstory isn't “that bad”

[@Jayfrmda5]

🤦🏾

[@carboneticmarshmellovv3622]

Its crazy fr fr

[@zoobmaball3697]

Who’s said that?

[@ZVisionss]

@Sleepy a lot of people said that

[@stormraider3434]

His backstory of being on the street isn’t bad. Him becoming red hood. That’s messed up

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

Jason truly had one of the most horrific beatings and torturous backstories I've seen, holy crap this is dark.

[@yanni730]

First

[@Nero-uj2mc]

Aye

[@aries4710]

This your lowest liked comment

[@aaronhibbert8773]

@@aries4710 because it just dropped and this video came out 8 months ago, 42 likes kinda crazy though

[@aries4710]

@@aaronhibbert8773 true

[@an18yearoldmongolianguy]

In the animated series, at least Joker just hits Jason with a crowbar a few times, and (memory may not be right) Joker only kept him for a few days, then Todd managed to get out of the chair on his own when Joker left him with a ticking bomb and locked the door - though he still got caught in the explosion That’s how Jason became RH in that iteration, it was far more forgiving In the game, Jason’s kept with Joker for 2 goddamn years… Fucking hell, I don’t know how any human being is capable of handling that much stress, at that point your immune system and everything else would start failing you I’m surprised Todd didn’t do some Godhand shit, even the emotionally distant Griffith only handled under a year of torture and was broken, yet Jason managed to be an anti-hero in the end, big props to him

[@fullsoul5850]

Griffith was tortured for 1 year and was tortured worse than Jason

[@arringtonhughes4867]

Lol waaaay worse Griffith was flayed, his tongue was cut out, his penis cut off (I think), cut all over his body, starved (like joker starved Jason but he still had his muscle mass but Griffith was damn near just bone, tendons cut, he basically was half a vegetable

[@an18yearoldmongolianguy]

@@arringtonhughes4867 Obviously Griffith’s torture was much more brutal, I guess you can’t really compare the two

[@cothinker680]

@@arringtonhughes4867 Griffiths is femboy

[@applejuice5162]

What was the animated series called

[@AMichaelFromBrasil]

He's a tough one. Handle joker's torture over a year, before break and even be able to forgive Batman. Respect.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

I wouldn’t honestly

[@capybara9521]

Ok

[@capybara9521]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 no one asked

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@capybara9521 it needs to be said

[@unchartedjoker3866]

@@capybara9521 it's a public comment section no one has to ask.

[@Infamousknight123]

What’s very scary is the fact that after a moment he ended up being so twisted like the joker that he actually respects him referring to him as sir and being so easily willing to drop Bruce’s identity

[@vp1864]

Or that might've been an act

[@laurawylde5665]

He was originally met to die of Adidas

[@kittykattcatt]

Reminded me of Tim drake from Batman the animated series where Joker you guessed it tortures him to become an ACTUAL joker and I guess to try and make him stop tells him Bruce’s identity

[@Zhello79]

Joker doesn't like people exposing the Bateman.

[@zeandre1241]

@@laurawylde5665 whats adidas

[@AgentBlizzaga]

yeah i'll say Jason fate in the Arkham verse is so much worse than the comics, getting beaten up for the better part of an afternoon then dying is real bad, but two years of physical, mental and emotional abuse and manipulation is horrifying.

[@kaperoboy9716]

Honestly I think getting tortured for a year is worse then death

[@SageofSorrow]

Yea i remember his screams being disturbing. Joker seriously broke him. He was no longer a badass superhero..he was now a helpless victim. Screamed like a scared child.

[@t-posingbobafett6017]

He was actually tortured for 1 year

[@adampaul6675]

@@nicktown8363 You're telling me that you were tortured on the same physical and mental level Joker has done to Jason? Hard to believe

[@kirkharrison6089]

@@adampaul6675 are you comparing a real life person to a fictional super hero

[@myremedy7691]

My sister once asked me, while watching me play the Arkham games, why I'm so into terrifying the Joker's thugs. When it came to Two-Face or Penguin thugs, I'd just knock them out, but I'd take my time to scare Joker's men whenever possible. Jason is just one of several reasons. Nothing we can really do to "break" the clown prince of crime, but the same can't be said for his men. Have them all panicking, like, endlessly.

[@cornholio8739]

No fr I would stand behind them listening to them talk just for them to turn around and see me very satisfying

[@angelguerrero7655]

yep, im gonna go redownload Arkham City now, for the 50 millionth time (i need to uninstall games from my pc to make room for new ones)

[@myremedy7691]

@@cornholio8739 Tell me about it. I'd be grappling them around the room, knocking them around with Batman's cape and busting through windows until they were randomly shooting stuff.

[@Joemcdowell91]

Glad it wasn't just me. I spent (no lie) 40mins just fucking with one of the jokers goons. I would swoop down on thus guy then disappear again and again watching his heart rate sky rocket, just has he begun the calm I would fuck with him again. I had no idea my wife was watching me the whole time lol. All she said was "thank god your on my side" love that woman!

[@awesomesause1116]

I can’t believe after all that he did to him, Batman still tried to stop Jason from killing the joker.... like are you serious bro?

[@jugemujugemugokonosurikire4735]

Yes he's serious. You don't find resolve by killing another even if he killed your loved one. Kill him so what? Does your loved one ever come back? Okok, just an edit here, I get what people are saying, but I was referring to one of the DC shows where superman did kill Lex Luthor (alt universe). He became a tyrant after.

[@higharchbishopofteatasting6217]

@Well Achieved so why didn't Batman let Jason kill him? Jason kills criminals who have committed far less heinous actions

[@higharchbishopofteatasting6217]

@Well Achieved under the red hood animated film would like to disagree with you

[@higharchbishopofteatasting6217]

@Well Achieved literally exploded a guys head directly in front Batman

[@higharchbishopofteatasting6217]

@Well Achieved Jason straight up impersonated Batman and shot a chick in the face

[@parafaust6201]

This is why red hood is one of my favorite DC characters, he has a backstory that truly makes his terrible terrible nature seem excusable. Sure he's kinda a revenge filled killer after it all but there's a reason for it, being tortured for 2 years by THE JOKER is insane

[@therealjoker2957]

Debatable. It's not like he hunted down all the villains in Gotham. He can just tell there's nothing else there with joker, only chaos.

[@handgun559]

That doesn't feel like good writing though. The original Red Hood killed because he saw that killing people like the Joker could prevent deaths like his, and the pain that someone like Batman felt for it. The original Jason was beaten for minutes, not hours, or days, or years. That's some fucked up sociopathic level of writing to think you need to sink that low to write a compelling character. And if I'm critiquing a reading of a character, it feels so shallow to be like "yes, this character is deep because they were tortured for years." Like. Buddy. The fuck do you need to get off?

[@exaggeratedswaggerofablackteen]

@@handgun559 you really just freaked out for no reason 🤨

[@Comicbroe405]

@Deandre Dixon Bro what? This is from a flashback.

[@TheSpiderman7285]

What are you talking about? Jason was revived by R'as Al Ghul in tge movie. In the infinite crisis comics, Superboy Prime's reality-shattering punch raised Jason from the grave. There are too many people assuming they know what they're talking about because it was in an animated feature. While DC animations are well produced and interesting, they veer from the source material as much as the films do. Referencing the animated features as if they're canon is kinda silly, given that every medium compiles different events in the comics as a hodge podge.

[@dominiquechastain6223]

This sent chills down my spine . Hearing Jason screaming and begging to stop was so sad. Not only did Joker break Jason's body but he also broke his spirit .

[@stephanvanderzee]

I agree.. his screams were so sad to hear.

[@angler3897]

And this happened for multiple, multiple times. Even when he's screaming, he can be heard saying, "Not again"...

[@Bigblanco_otw]

Like what bane said in the dark knight rises

[@ssf42069]

What’s worse was him hoping Batman would save him and pleading for Batman to come the whole time

[@bloodsenpai007]

I get Jasons hands was tied but he’s still a deadly fighter never understood why he could retaliate on joker whenever he wasn’t fully restrained then again being sleep deprived and starving can do that to someone’s body

[@hunterhinojosa6875]

Even though Jason had more than one bad day, the one bad day that probably hit him the most was when Joker revealed to him that his mentor/father figure replaced him.

[@Latchkeyclown]

1000000000% I actually teared when Joker showed him the picture. He kept believing he would come, yet here is a picture of Batman out and about with a new Robin. Sure, there’s the other side where Bruce keeps calling Tim “Jason” but Jason didn’t know that, all he knows is that Bruce is working with someone new that’s not him.

[@arcanefury3666]

I don't think we ever really needed a story about what exactly happened to Jason in the Arkham games. The line, "You left me to rot in that abandoned wing in Arkham for over a year, with him," was haunting enough.

[@TheRealIconG]

I personally think we did. I've watched quite a few playthroughs of the game and several people interpreted Jason as just a crybaby or a liar. It's important for people to understand why Jason was so pissed off, and why he hated Batman so much

[@bintangdilangit3348]

Yeah i still need the animation, jason is underrated he deserve better and more recognition

[@rawfermews4186]

This made me realize how shitty Batman actually is. Duh, joker is wrong but he’s the joker. Batman on the other hand.. what kind of ‘father’ figure let’s their son go through that?? He didn’t even TRY to rescue him.

[@arcanefury3666]

@@rawfermews4186 Well his death was video taped and sent to Batman. Im sure Batman rushed all over Gotham looking for him before the tape was sent. The real problem is why didnt he look for his body? Even if Jason's dead, that's still his son's body. I dont think any parent would want their kid's corpes to just rot on a dirty bathroom floor and not at the very least be put to rest

[@ahmadsuleman2334]

@@arcanefury3666 now that right there is a plothole or "Araki forgot" moment

[@lucasmcnall3026]

Batman ain’t the greatest detective in the world if he couldn’t find him for nearly 2 years

[@datboymike9650]

YOOO

[@Nickguh112]

I didn't know joker was his husband (dad joke)

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

Because he’s Batman and fans and critics didn’t want him to find

[@Legionbass19]

Don’t tell his fanboys that.

[@oriontrujillo_05]

He stoped trying

[@SDayle]

I love that this all became a "classic" due to one guy sabotaging the "Do you want Jason to die or not?" reader poll.

[@canevas1017]

Source?

[@SDayle]

@@canevas1017 Wikipedia and others.

[@ShatteredGlass916]

@@canevas1017 yep, this is from the olf DC comics. I heard back then, they didn't know or just wanna spice things up, so they made a poll for fans to decides whether or not Jason dies. Ofc, this leads to the one where he dies in explosion.

[@antonn.mp4]

Homie must have hated Jason with a passion

[@crypt0sFX]

@@antonn.mp4 Some men just wanna watch the world burn.

[@LividApollo]

I just realized, Jason probably wore the same pair of socks and underwear for 2 years straight

[@Moe_leh_star]

Ohh hell no

[@Irelynn-vv8fu]

How has he not died from infection and illness yet??

[@Takanori-11]

Bet he peed and pooped his pants

[@TheShadowspear2]

Hmm 🤔. I'm pretty sure he had to have some form of freedom such as food or care in the daytime since The Joker would torture him at night, so maybe the corrupt cop fed him and let him bathe or something like that.

[@Speaky-vr]

@@Irelynn-vv8fuplot armor my boy

[@Ev_box]

I think some people just see joker as some guy who goes round doing bank heists and shit while cracking jokes. He is absolutely evil

[@dvreaux]

I thought that's what he did. Now I know what he really does.

[@yreham2979]

He changed a lot since 1940, bank heists don't satisfy him anymore

[@vdott_3022]

It’s sad tht ppl say Batman’s worse n say the joker is “broken n sad”😐

[@android_dreaming_of_sheep]

@@vdott_3022 people like to romanticize evil

[@vdott_3022]

@@android_dreaming_of_sheep fax n we gotta watch those ppl😭

[@josepablorubionavarro179]

It’s just heartbreaking to see that even after months of being tortured continuously he still hadn’t lost hope on Bruce

[@monochromeedits2281]

I was the 1000th like

[@jouflow]

@@monochromeedits2281 alot of people do this but with God

[@monochromeedits2281]

@@jouflow wdym

[@jouflow]

@@monochromeedits2281 read again OPs comment

[@benjamindover4731]

@@jouflow dude, its a video on batman, please don't make it a war by screaming your beliefs. internet has enough arguing as it is

[@aex9516]

1:11 Jason’s screams are literally so terrifying...

[@nerfcontent9429]

Ahhhhhhhhh

[@nerfcontent9429]

The subtitles are like Uh. Oh

[@ssgss4vegito12]

Yep he is getting his shit slapped hard.

[@michaelgilbert2911]

Ion think those his screams y’all amping it up , I mean yeah he’s screaming but do y’all remember pysco inmates that scream too in asylum maybe they beated him too

[@oreomint8255]

@@michaelgilbert2911 most of the noises I hear are laughter but you can still faintly hear Jason. I hear him the most screaming “stop” or “No”

[@jagrjr45]

I read a wattpad story, the name is "just another robin" and it's about jason being forgotten amongst the bat family, especially by bruce, and the bat family, excluding bruce until later on, tries to make him realize he's in the bat family. There was this particular moment that truly hit me in the gut, but before i tell it to you, the writer changed some things, so you won't get confused. Damian was talking to jason, "I do not know what you were to my father, or my father was to you, but nevertheless you once held the mantle of Robin. Your logic does not make sense to me. Why did you not return after you came back?" They both knew what it was like to die, but the aftermath were dramatically different. Jason finally snapped and shouted, "You wanna know why?!" he continued shouting, "Because i clawed my way out of my own damn grave and Bruce never even knew it. I was in a coma and then i spent a year as a brain dead zombie on the streets that he patrols every night." Jason's voice betrayed him. "And then when Talia finally kicked me into a Lazarus Pit, i came back to find that i had already been long replaced and the bastard that murdered me was still out there killing people. I didn't have a place there anymore, i didn't have -Robin.- My empty slot in the 'family' had already been filled." he continued, "So i became Red Hood. And even now nothing has changed to Bruce, Jason Todd is Dead. Why do you think he still keeps the memorial case up?" Jason continued, his voice rising, "Damian, he views me as his biggest failure. Because i'll never be talented like Dick, or smart like Tim, or his actual son like you. All i was to anyone was a street rat pretending to be a hero." Damian was staying oddly quiet. "I'm the one the other Robins are told not to be like. I was a soldier that was too messed up to follow orders and got himself killed." He shouted. "But no one ever cared to ask about that little tidbit where my own mother was the one who betrayed me and handed me over to the Joker." Jason continued, Loudly. "That's why i couldn't go home then, and why i certainly can't now. Because all i was to Bruce was a defective Robin." Jason finished. This really shows how his life was just as messed up as bruce's, but the difference was that no one really cared about it until they finally realized their mistake. (In this story)

[@neroidius6915]

I’m definitely gonna read that, sometimes fanfiction writers have great ideas

[@eddiediaz5518]

For a Wattpad story, that was actually well written, if I didn’t know I would’ve thought that was pulled from a comic I hadn’t read

[@Joebidensspunk]

Pretty sure His Life is WORSE than Bruce’s

[@srpro_yt3144]

Dude, whats the name? Now I am interested on reading it

[@jagrjr45]

​@@srpro_yt3144late reply but, "Just another Robin"

[@Violet_King86]

Bro i knew joker was evil but that’s another level

[@joe-ff7sc]

I'm sorry but did you just find out joker is evil Sorry I'm a retard it took me awhile to read that lol .

[@NikNokGamer]

@@joe-ff7sc do you know how to read? Gaspar said “knew”, not “just found out”.

[@xenom3176]

Like duh that's why he's evil

[@mysticnoobgaming]

Im pretty sure he did similar stuff to Harley Quinn

[@lunarsprinkle6580]

@@mysticnoobgaming yeah he treated her like total trash but torturing Jason on a whole another level

[@ayashinightcore8282]

The screams was horrifying but the words... “Someone save me” “Let me out” “No” Now that is what shredded me

[@bulbafett5001]

If only Bruce knew someone with super hearing. If only he know world class telepaths and magicians...but alas he doesn't. Oh fucking wait, he does. The fuck.

[@bulbafett5001]

@Gesli OTR I thought the sarcasm of describing most of the Justice Leagues super powers was evident

[@ziongamer6905]

@@bulbafett5001 I literally sat here the whole time wondering WHY Bats didn’t ring the justice league or Supes like “My kid is GONE. Come fuck shit up I’ll pay for damages.”

[@starman275]

@@ziongamer6905 that's another thing for why i like more the story in the games, batman seems to have a great pride and doesn't like to ask help from others.

[@rebekahkegans1626]

I also heard “not again”😭

[@zackbrown117]

I've always said the arkham version of joker Is probably the most evil or he's atleast one of the most evil

[@zackbrown117]

@@ThatGuyChoco my bad I was up late when I wrote that I edited and changed it to joker I meant joker

[@JokerFan-hj4iv]

Probably the only one more evil is joker from the injustice universe since he nuked metropolis and tricked Superman into killing his own family which caused him to snap. He basically ruined the entire world.

[@zackbrown117]

@@JokerFan-hj4iv yeah now that joker was also pretty messed up

[@arcader8138]

@@ThatGuyChoco Near the end of the series, Light (as Kira) announced to the news that he would kill anyone who didn’t contribute to society. So he started killing innocents as well, just because they didn’t help out enough.

[@j_islam7869]

@@ThatGuyChoco Jason isn't evil, but he is insane, kind of, and he has the mind of a murderer, he kills criminals who can definitely change, like low life thugs trying to get some cash for food

[@thegirlofmanyfandoms99]

3:49 man how Jason whimpers and squirms make me feel like hes still a scared child, who, even while he tries to act tough, he still desperately wants the love and protection that his father never gave him, which is something that tugs at my heart 😭

[@DrikTrajado]

He was 15-16 years old during this, basically a child

[@Yey735]

Who wouldn't when you've been Toturched for 6 months straight and haven't got a break

[@VEXZSOG]

@@DrikTrajado14

[@Muddy-Goldfish72]

"makes me feel like he's still a scared child" Newsflash, he IS a scared child.

[@thegirlofmanyfandoms99]

​@@Muddy-Goldfish72 I guess what I meant was that, after all the training Batman gave him, he developed a thick shell, but the Joker broke him enough for the scared kid to come out.

[@salmanulfarisyv.r868]

I don't blame Jason for killing joker. He did deserve it. Just because you are a failure and you had a bad day doesn't mean you can toruture kids.

[@st0neman574]

Most villains don’t have morals lol

[@ultimatewingman1327]

We just going to ignore the fact that Joker has done MUCH more than just torturing kids?

[@AnnabellaZak]

Dont blame Tim Drake for killing him either, while Tim Drake's torture wasnt as bad as Jason's it was still terrible. (Robin was patrolling alone one night. Upon hearing a scream of terror, Robin thought he was saving a lone woman from thugs but instead, fell into a trap set by the Joker and Harley Quinn. For three long weeks, at the old Arkham Asylum, Tim was mercilessly tortured with electro-shock and chemical injections. The Joker also took the opportunity to implant a microchip at the base of Tim's skull that contained an encoded version of the Joker's DNA and memories. During the course of the torture, the Joker learned the precious secrets entrusted to Robin. Not content with just destroying Tim's mind he sought to further humiliate Batman. To this end, the Joker transformed Tim into a crude version of himself. Tim's skin was bleached white, dying his hair green and twisting Tim's mouth into a grotesque Joker-like grin. Because of the torture and makeover he endured for the three weeks, he was also rendered unable to communicate in any way except with demented laughter. Renaming him "Joker Junior" aka "J.J." the Joker claimed Drake as his and Harley's new son, and planned on using Drake to destroy Batman. During the battle that followed, the Joker gave Tim a gun and ordered him to kill Batman with it. Tim laughed uncontrollably and fought with the choice whether or not kill Batman. He finally killed the Joker instead, after which he completely broke down in the arms of Batgirl. After these events, Commissioner Gordon quickly covered up the incident and nothing was ever made public.) -This is all from the Batman Beyond: the return of joker movie, this paragraph was written on this website: batman.fandom.com/wiki/Tim_Drake_(DC_Animated_Universe) But yes, the Joker has every right to be killed because of what he has done to these 2 poor boys :(

[@salmanulfarisyv.r868]

@@AnnabellaZak I seen that part :)

[@badwolf1814]

Jason didn't kill Joker.

[@livthecomic8701]

The voice actor for Jason Todd is just amazing. Chills, brought me to tears, sent shivers down my spine every time he spoke. They were all amazing, but he was so emotional and the emotion was so RAW. I love it so much..

[@robbyrodriguez8538]

If im not mistaken the person who voiced jason todd is jensen ackles in supernatural(dean) so no wonder if this has much love

[@Motorcyclechariotracing]

That because they tortured him to get the lines

[@RisenPhoenix87]

In the game Batman Arkham knight jason is voiced by Troy baker.

[@merymcsusa]

both jensen ackles and troy baker are amazingly talented, they're able to bring _so_ much emotion into the characters they voice

[@evoaddict1]

Somebody clearly gets far too involved in games... Cry? Really... Grow up its a cartoon/game lol

[@Sylau369]

Satan: *walks in* yo what the f-

[@nerfcontent9429]

Me: uh look man it’s Alabama

[@undeadreaper2340]

That's me for ya

[@nerfcontent9429]

@@undeadreaper2340 yeah

[@nerfcontent9429]

@@undeadreaper2340 btw you know that if you change your name and pfp it’s gonna be even more funny right

[@nerfcontent9429]

@@undeadreaper2340 you crazy son of a bitch you actually did it

[@Resi1ience]

The most emotional line from Jason Todd is in his interview tapes. At one point, he shouts "I CAN FIX IT!" And describes killing Batman. His voice is shaking and trembling, and you can practically feel how traumatized and broken he is. The Joker screwed him up. Horribly.

[@bradyg2475]

You can seriously hear the pain in Jason’s voice Troy Baker did an amazing job

[@beck-us2kw]

Wow I didn’t even know Troy Baker voiced Jason. He’s a great voice actor.

[@jerryketamine]

@@beck-us2kw yes he did the voice of Mitchell in cod aw

[@criscrosxxx]

Wow joker killed the young joker . Fuck yeah

[@Mitchisable]

@@jerryketamine and basically everything else

[@zxnk_]

Not even 2 years of therapy can fix the damage that was done to poor Jason

[@kanasen7351]

I think not even 20 years of therapy could fix this.

[@supercitygaming8238]

Honestly I blame Batman for everything the Joker has done and people are out here defending him. "bAtMan SHoUlDn'T hAvE to KiLl tHe jOkEr iF hE dOEsn'T WaNt To","iF hE kiLls tHe JoKeR hE'll bE jUsT aS bAd aS ThEm". In my opinion Batman is already as bad as them maybe worse. What happened to Barbara was because of Batman, what happened to Tim was because of Batman, what happened to Jason was because of Batman, what happened to anyone that the Joker had killed or hurt was because of Batman. And what kind of man brings a kid out to fight dangerous criminals such as the Joker. Batman is the evil one for letting evil continue. The thing about being a superhero, superheroes protect those who cannot protect themselves and sometimes lines have to be crossed.

[@cm9231]

@@supercitygaming8238 @Super City Gaming Batman has no right to murder The Joker, he's the link between the common man and the police. Realistically, knowing how corrupt the GCPD is, The Joker would have been killed ages ago. But it's a comic and he's a popular character so he sticks around. But fr Batman has ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to murder The Joker, because forcing someone to murder anyone if they are a conscientious objector to the death penalty is evil. Also, Batman never made anyone become Robin, and with Dick (the first one) he was initially against it. Even in Under the Red Hood, Jason says that he doesn't blame Batman for not saving him.

[@yugioh5145]

@@cm9231 yea but he also says the reason why he was mad at batman was because he didn’t kill joker

[@cm9231]

@@yugioh5145 I never denied that, I do agree it's completely understandable why Jason would blame Batman considering all he went through and Joker's brainwashing

[@todotodolikesyou9518]

1:11 Those screams are HAUNTING. And to hear Joker's laughter echoing off the walls between those screams makes Jason's anguish even more painful to listen to

[@17ahaha]

Facts

[@joseypussycat9424]

@Max Fr...like that like "the joker let other inmates torture, beat, and play with Jason" what the fuck....I really really hope it's not the sort of "play with" I'm thinking of...that made my stomach churn...honestly I 100% understand why he became the red hood like holy fuck....I get Bruce thought he was dead but jesus man....

[@samuelawash5689]

To be honest I really like the screams it's fun to hear

[@actual_doge3221]

@@joseypussycat9424 C'mon, Joker is as evil shit as humans can possibly get. And you KNOW there are disgusting humans.

[@mordecool9696]

Especially with the eerie piano music playing in the background. Gave me chills

[@taleoftwowolves74]

The way Jasons voice shudders when he says "With HIM" Its filled with so much hatred and fear. Jokers dead and yet still haunting Jason endlessly. One of the saddest parts is the way Batman says "No. No he's not" When Alfred asks if Jason is alright. He sounds so heartbroken and wracked by guilt. Jason suffered more than any other DC character in history.

[@barrysmith6595]

This all started because the fans wanted him gone

[@InitialPC]

It was actually one person, people voted by calling a number, one guy rigged his phone to call that number every minute, this one man sent enough votes to make the difference, ONE MAN killed Jason Todd, not the fans.

[@superiornicholas412]

@@InitialPC I bet he regrets it because of what happened to him.

[@da5hainy556]

@@superiornicholas412 Probably not since he kinda gave birth to Red Hood.

[@erniemaemalle1244]

Wow. I hope they're terrified or feel bad about him

[@DondonII]

@@InitialPC Godamn he must've hated him with a passion

[@pixelspider6454]

The scariest part is that it's really clear that the devs did their research on actual manipulation, gaslighting, and abuse. Joker is a textbook abuser taken to the extremes. They also clearly did research on victims because Jason's behavior is very accurate to what a victim does during and direct after that amount of abuse. The screams behind the door are heartbreaking and traumatizing to hear. Fuck batman for not killing the joker for this alone

[@Delbur]

@@brodimations4388 Joker should be an exception tho, cuz he has none of those and he deserves it

[@brodimations4388]

@@Delbur what about Harley, in the arkham series when batman burned jokers body it drives her crazy, then broke into the bat cave (spoiler)

[@adrianawilliams4810]

@@brodimations4388 Considering all the Joker did to her (she has Stockholm syndrome I am 99% sure ) I don’t really think that’s a good reason or a person to use as a justification

[@SuperHandsomeGuy07]

@@brodimations4388 but by keeping Joker alive he's giving Joker the ability to hurt and kill others putting the family of the victims through pain anyways

[@brodimations4388]

@@SuperHandsomeGuy07 hm makes sense, but however in one of the animated movies he says "you can't fight crime by becoming a criminal"

[@cesarcastro2831]

Jason: “Bruce, I forgive you for not saving me, but why, why on God’s Earth is HE still alive?!” Don’t know why, but that scene always chokes me up. 😢

[@bigJ5489]

its cuz the hood is right in that moment. i always hated how fans did jason dirty and the brutality he had to go through because of it was such a punch to the gut. batman SHOULD have murdered joker for that. i mean the guy killed his "son" Also i love jensen ackles so when he said that line in the movie i shouted, "Yeah!"

[@yungelplaga9538]

@@bigJ5489 batman only has 1 rule he doesn't break because if he did he wouldn't be any better than the villains in his eyes he's already a vigilante killing someone will make him a wanted man by the law

[@bigJ5489]

@@yungelplaga9538 everyone's heard that line and imo it's old and a cop out. Like batman doesn't do anything illegal without killing people. Kidnapping, wiretapping, assault, assault with a deadly weapon, let's not even think about the countless speeding charges he should have as well as trespassing. And think about how none of the villains batman brings to the gcpd can really be charged cuz he is NOT a cop so everything from him is just fruit of the poisonous tree.

[@yungelplaga9538]

@@bigJ5489 did I say he didn't do anything illegal? he can break the law a vigilante is taking the law into your own hands..but if he killed than in batman eyes he's no better than the villain

[@yungelplaga9538]

@@bigJ5489 thats what makes batman so well written, he's flawed in his thinking which makes him human, he doesn't asspull his way into victories like most other heroes and antagonists

[@JamesNeutron115]

Mom: “The dentist isn’t gonna hurt you.” The kid in the other room: 00:09

[@dawitazeze7509]

Underrated comment

[@Tr1pp.]

...

[@michaelbriggs3787]

@@dawitazeze7509 0:09 how it feels watching the clock hit 12:00 am on a Sunday and you forget

[@thatweirdkidontheinternet7009]

I just recently got into DC and I never realized that Jason went through all of this. I just thought he was a bit grumpy. This is heartbreaking.

[@PeptoAbismol]

a lot of fucked up shit like this happens to a lot of characters in DC. it’s pretty standard now that i think about it, especially in the comics also, random fun fact: batman killed two vampires that were sleeping in coffins with a gun

[@perrypougins379]

@@PeptoAbismol double standards but ok i suppose

[@Kster-uj6dr]

Just a bit grumpy. Lol

[@PeptoAbismol]

@@perrypougins379 the fuck are you on about

[@perrypougins379]

@@PeptoAbismol killing vampires yet not a murderer clown, i mean yea vampires are a real threat but, you know

[@masterzombie161]

Batman: if I do kill Joker, I’ll never come back. Jason: It’s always about you isn’t it?

[@cm9231]

He's talking metaphorically by trying to relate himself to Jason. A lot of people find it easy to explain it that way, I know I do (I'm on the Autism Spectrum, it's a common trait)

[@theboogeyman2590]

@@cm9231 wdym? Hes saying if he killed the joker he wouldnt stop killing, i dont get how thats relating himself to jason? And whats he explaining?

[@cm9231]

@@theboogeyman2590 What he's saying is that when Jason snapped, he became what Batman warned him (and himself) about: a murderer. Granted some of them are indeed truly evil people, but chances are Jason has murdered a lot of people who could have easily reformed, especially those working for Black Mask, who is known to specifically target desperate or vulnerable people to join his ranks

[@impacc4182]

@@cm9231 you Batman fan boys are something else lol he’s a self absorbed man child with a special needs moral he’s no different than the joker tbh

[@cm9231]

@@impacc4182 if you really think Batman is the same as Joker then idk how to explain it you bro, as I can't use crayons over the internet. Also, you calling me the man child for just simply explaining my argument in a cohesive way is irony of the highest order. PS, nice way to shame people with special needs, your parents must be so proud of you

[@nasirthesenatejohnson6935]

Gotta be every parents worst nightmare. I know it's a comic book series but ruthless psychopaths like Joker do exist in our world, and I'd never forgive myself if one got their hands on my child.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@Nasir The Senate Johnson, agreed, Hence why I hate videos like these kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6vJhp1jopd8bKs (I suggest just open and see the first few minutes) and people who make them. Sure free world and they can do what they want, but after Joker torturing Jason, I can’t forgive this guy for saying the media is exaggerating and people aren’t that twisted, and evil villains are unrealistic and forgettable. People like the guy who made that video and everyone who agrees with him, I find to be wrong with the world because of how narrow minded, objectifying, and ignorant they are.

[@AbandonedVoid]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I find the idea that every villain is a hero in their own story to be painfully naive. People like Richard Ramirez and Ted Bundy knew what they were doing. The Finders know what they're doing. Some people really are just evil. And it's not all psychopaths or sociopaths, who suffer from mental illness and can be rather normal people, but they would all be considered psychopaths. The Joker is evil, full stop. He revels in it.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@AbandonedVoid we need more like you in the world and less of EMP and Chris Stuckmann

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@AbandonedVoid have a lot I wanted to say

[@colesteinmetz]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 dude I completely agree with abandoned void too. Sympathy for the villain is something many comics strive for and that's why Joker is so insanely well written because he's insane and impossible to understand. I think sympathize is the wrong word for it because that seems like too much adoration. Take Unbreakable as one of my favorite movies because the main character is sorta switched around with the twist ending and it's revealed that there is a villain behind everything who imagined he was the hero all along. Lots of modern day examples like Abandoned void said are true too. This was a very interesting discussion.

[@casual_villain]

God, Mark Hammil knocked it out of the park. Perfectly illustrated the cruelty and sadism of the character.

[@giovannigonzalez6349]

“Don’t pretend to understand” yeah you’re absolutely right. This Batman never had to go through something as horrible as that, he tried to act like the better man when he wasn’t the one who was broken,abandoned and tortured for years.

[@googleuser7454]

My biggest problem with Batman is that he acts like his pain and motivation enables him to make all the decisions over Todd, other robins, even Gotham itself when by failing to eliminate threats like Joker he plunges them all into hell and acts self righteous

[@impacc4182]

@@kaituminaro6648 it’s so cringe and sick honestly and the fact that he thinks he’s in the right is just sad

[@batmansolos3297]

@@impacc4182 If batman kills he will keep on killing just like superman and become a monster across Gotham instead of a hero tarnishing the name batman which would lead to more people dying for vengeance on the batman so if batman killa it doesn't end well for anyone but villians

[@noble6897]

@@batmansolos3297 basically Batman Is weak. They say he has a strong will yet can’t kill when necessary because if he does he won’t be able to stop himself that is a weird paradox don’t you think?

[@AIrfan-cz2kt]

that's just the thing, Bruce Wayne is not a stable person to begin with. He was traumatized as a child by his parents murder to the point he vows to fight crime behind the mask of Batman. None of his actions taken ever since his childhood trauma was logical to begin with. He was so illogically afraid of murder so much that he just can't help but let a psychotic killer like Joker go free. A person doesn't make rational decisions when they've experienced trauma and became mentally unstable. So him saying "Don't pretend to understand" actually makes more sense than Jason could have thought at that moment. He wasn't saying that just because of the obsession towards his no killing moral code alone. A large part that fuels that obsession over the rational decision to kill Joker was because he was just so afraid of murder and becoming a murderer. simple as that. Joker enjoys killing the shit out of everyone and he knows the fact that Batman can't kill despite the fact he comes to beat his ass everytime, that's why he said that they need each other. Joker is both everything Batman is afraid of and are fighting against and Batman is everything Joker is not.

[@mango_sheikh786]

What happened to Jason Todd is a perfect example of how Batman’s “no killing” rule really isn’t all that noble. EDIT: Wow this has really been blowing up recently. Cool discussion in the replies, guys. Thanks for the likes.

[@quasar9745]

Batman once said that if you kill a killer, the number of killers in the world doesnt decrease. Batman killed joker and became the batman who laughed.Legit the bighest and most feared dc villain ever

[@BennyFNV]

@Fanjanhong * People defend it with "he'll go insane" because thats what would happen. The only thing that separates batman from the joker is that he doesn't kill people. Killing the joker would get rid of batman in turn leaving every other villain in Gotham to commit crimes with no one to stop them.

[@BennyFNV]

@Fanjanhong * Of course it's not fully morally correct, that's not how the world works. However the elimination of Batman leaves the entirety of Gotham without anyone to protect it.

[@viiruzsx]

No dip He doesn't kill because of what happened to his parents literally thinks about killing his rogue gallery every minute if he kills one he will kill the rest then the rest of the other cities then regular thugs Thief's everyone

[@MikeCrawch]

@@quasar9745 Batman didn’t became The Batman Who Laugh from killing The Joker. Read the comic.

[@akarc0404]

I would quite happily have gone the rest of my life without ever hearing Jason screaming like that. Jesus Christ. My heart

[@harunilive1719]

I know I feel like I'm frickin bleeding from my heart that sh!t stung on so many levels...

[@thaithaikwtxval56]

I like red hood before i heard this, now after i am sad hearing this. Honestly they are people going through this today. Its sad and we can help them. Jason not real but i wanna give him hug and give him bunch of chili dogs. God bless

[@imretro2182]

It’s not that bad honestly. Call me a physco but I guess I’ve heard it so many times I’m descencsitized to it.

[@thaithaikwtxval56]

@@imretro2182 ur not bad God bless

[@blueberrymuffin5241]

My god I had to pause it for a minute because sheeeeesh.

[@senatorarmstrong8960]

I think people misunderstood something about Batman during Jasons death. People kept thinking Batman doesn’t care or that Batman was refusing to cross his no killing rule. But after Jason’s death was when Batman was at his most brutal in his entire career. Infact Tim Drake (The one after Jason) Stood up and Became a Robin because he was scared that Batman might cross the line without someone to help him through his grief. Batman was slowly descending into his anger and was very VERY close to dropping his morals for good. But Tim Drake stepped in before Batman could fall and became a shining ray of Hope in Batman’s life. I mean in the Arkhamverse we know that Tim reminds Batman of Jason, when Batman accidentally calls Tim, Jason. Tim says “Huh you haven’t done that in awhile” implying that Tim reminds Batman of Jason. Essentially Batman was about to start killing but Tim reminded Batman of Jason, and got him through his Grief. Without Tim, Batman would’ve no doubt killed someone (Probably the Joker). What I don’t understand is why all the inmates tortured him at all, Inmates like Bane typically don’t Torture like that. Infact Arkham Bane was actually one of his more honorable incarnations, I get that there all psychopaths. But I can’t see some of these guys like Penguin and Two-Face genuinely being interested in Torturing a Child. Me personally if I was told to torture Robin and I found out the kid was barely older than my siblings, I wouldn’t do it.

[@g.williams2047]

The inmates torturing him were probably the more deranged of the bunch, ones like Professor Pyg who excel in that stuff. Babe would probably lose interest after day 2.

[@edge1247]

Yes, you wouldn't. But these are Arkham Patients that associate with a Guy. Who wants to pump downtown Gothan with lethal laughing Gas every other week. Do you really think they have any levels of morality as you and me. Fuck sakes average Joe Criminals would be horrified. Probably put a bullet in him and be done with it, but long halloween should of made it clear. GOTHAM VILLAINS ARE NOT TO BE FUXKED WITH.

[@Space_Ghost_Hunter]

Good points. But to your last point I think its obvious why they would torture him. Arkham is a horrible place, it's torture for the villains, who are in there following some failed plot thwarted by Batman. From a position of power I'm Gotham to being confined to a padded room. So these villains are at their most angry and vengeful of Batman, but they can't torture Batman, but Robin is the next best thing. As for Robin being a kid I doubt that would make any difference to any of them. He was even younger when he took them on face to face and probably stomped them stupid. Giving them the impression of him "acting like a man" and thus deserving of adult consequences, which many abusers use to justify their actions. Furthermore, the villains in Batman are often restricted in their full ferociousness by the fact that Batman in many iterations is marketed towards kids. Often resulting in them being a vehicle for some kind of lesson about people, or having cartoony objectives like the time Joker started selling his own brand of smiling fish. Which makes them seem, at times, sympathetic and potentially redeemable. But in the more mature iterations the full extent of their depravity can be explored, and we're reminded that at their core they are sadistic and psychotic animals who are literally criminally insane and capable of anything, no matter how sick. However, I don't really dig people trying to perpetuate the theory he was SA'd; as there's nothing to actually suggest that ever happened in any Batman comic ever, let alone the games. And it's actually kind of gross to even think about so I don't know why anyone would think its appropriate or something legitimately intended in the narrative. 🤮 I think my first point owes more to the mentions of Joker letting inmates use Jason to "blow off steam". Imagine you're Bane and you're raw after just being remitted to Arkham once again, and then Joker says he has the kid that once gave you a serious beating and totally emasculated you, tied up in am abandoned part of Arkham and you can go smack him around if you want. I figure each villains methods varied according to their powers but I think it ultimately amounted to just brutal beatings mixed with long periods of being left bound in a dank, dark, disgusting room slowly going insane until someone comes and starts beating him again while telling him Batman doesn't care about him. Really, the psychological aspect is the worst of what Robin went through. He was one of, if not the toughest Robin, even Batman couldn't understand how they beat him, but Jason was the most psychologically vulnerable Robin, and Joker played off that. Anyways, just some thoughts. Cheers mate.

[@hoop6988]

Yeah it’s really weird how some of them tortured Jason. In fact most of Batman’s villains respect the robins.

[@Hecacyte]

In the movie, when the bomb is about to go off, my heart sank so low when I saw Jason’s expression. It’s so subtle, going from brief panic to acceptance and maybe even relief. That simple expression really speaks volumes as to the pain he endured.

[@lili_xoxolili5913]

What's the name of the movie pls

[@farooqchaudhry6546]

@@lili_xoxolili5913 batman: under the red hood

[@deadprank947]

The movie and Arkham verse are two different universes

[@killingyokai3150]

Don’t forget probably pure disappointment

[@panpancarpanpancar]

He didn't leaved such a pain. He was beaten badly yes but he wasn't tortured

[@UltraIDDQD6DOOM]

Most people thought that Jason was being a little bit ridiculous in Arkham Knight but if people actually knew all the stuff Joker put him through then way more people would understand

[@viiruzsx]

Yeah but I hate it when people get mad at Batman for not kill him or his rogue gallery but they probably don't know Batman Famous Line it always with one. He'll never stop kill the Criminal Scum and when someone trys to stop him he just kills them aswell It makes sense why he doesn't kill he'll be even worse

[@prodigen3683]

@@viiruzsx there are plenty of people who kill without going lunatic wonderwoman starfire all of the avengers etc so if he cant take killing then maybe he shouldnt dress uo at night put kids at risk and give people tramatic brain injurys and go to therapy instead of putting kids at risk with the excuse of "muh parents"

[@danielclaw8251]

“The inmates tortured ,beated and played with Jason for 2 years” I can’t be calmed knowing that he was probably sexually abused by several of Arkham’s inmates, I remember overhearing in Batgirl’s DLC a Thug asking “What did Joker do to Robin man?” And another thug says “I don’t want to talk about it man, it’s too gross” And the only thing that criminals that cruel find gross, are sexual crimes against minors. This went real dark real quick, poor Jay , I don’t know if I wanna Kill the fans that voted to kill him back then or the Rocksteady team for making it this horrible,

[@jack3417]

Jesus christ. This makes me almost repulse at the joker.

[@infinitynotifications7082]

Hopefully the make Jared Leto's joker this dark.

[@FritzFoxPirate]

I thought the same thing too. So gross

[@danielclaw8251]

King George v you should, Arkham Joker is the most grotesque Joker.

[@jack3417]

@@danielclaw8251 yeah but

[@diamond_smash2578]

At 0:14 Jason screams “MUM!” And it’s sad because Jason hated his mother to the core. Explaining how serious Jason’s problems are.

[@bryantelles7518]

Just remember that the fans did this to him Edit:to all the people that replies with but then we wouldn’t have red hood that was dc choice not yours.

[@The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World.]

Yeah

[@s4d119]

What do u mean 😧😧😧

[@tomiokagooey5994]

@S 4d the people voted for him to die Like they gave an option I think because they didint know what to do I think..

[@bryantelles7518]

@@s4d119 the author put up a vote for people to kill him or keep him alive and they voted to kill him but the vote was rigged

[@cyrilstephen5646]

For the better. Now we have a badass character, which is the polar opposite of nightwing. Adds a nice balance to the bat fam.

[@BrockPlaysFortnite]

See what happens when you don’t kill people like joker who deserve it because it’s part of your code🗿Batman should have someone that executed the worst people so he doesn’t have to instead of letting them go over and over

[@juanitatillman6115]

batman kills... some times you know this is a great time for batmans dad to show up

[@jellidonut1238]

Spoken like a true justice lord.

[@ortheum4217]

Ok so basically, the Joker wants to be killed by Batman, because he knows it’s against Batman’s code. This will mess with Batman, beyond the Jokers grave. That’s why he does this crap, to push Batman over the edge, so Batman kills him. (Edit) Batman knows the Joker wants to die by his hands. That’s why Batman doesn’t, it’s more punishing for the Joker.

[@juanitatillman6115]

@@ortheum4217 oh no i like hearing is screams :)

[@tluangaizno3890]

Injustice super man was some how right, everytime he let joker live someone else has to die.. What is the point of letting him live if some one die again & again

[@itzboony]

Honestly jason todd has one of the darker origins. Literally beaten and tortured by a psychotic clown as a young adult every night for 2 years.

[@kaelvilla5859]

well to be fair it was only in arkham knights that it was two years, most versions it only lasted like a couple hours

[@Sara-py7yw]

Never getting over him. He deserved SO much better.

[@meat-zim]

This is horrifying bro. Especially when it said the inmates tortured and played with him. I know what it is, but I don't even want to further imagine what that "played" means. His story makes me sick.

[@coolbeast6102]

Idc what anyone says but Jason in is a kid with the worst past no comic or show could change my mind😭

[@Jayfrmda5]

@@coolbeast6102 Frr

[@gregoriogonzaleziii1603]

Cheeks were clapped... Fact.

[@calieandmatywhenyouwhenwhe9250]

@@gregoriogonzaleziii1603 you could have phrased it better

[@rohmel8388]

@@calieandmatywhenyouwhenwhe9250 phrased it better in what way “his buttocks was intruded”?😭

[@coolbeast6102]

What’s sad is that he’s calling out to his mom and she’s dead😢😭😓😭😭

[@hamstar86]

Noooo 😭

[@yessir-di1tg]

so much pain

[@ehsanullah2325]

His mom put him there

[@jaysmood4254]

Bro I could’ve gone my whole life with out noticing that bro that hurts

[@KiranSharma-wz6ux]

What's even more sad that in the comic the reason Jason got captured by joker was coz his mom ratted him out and handed him over to joker Jason thought he was going there to save her but he got killed instead

[@outtapocketman7198]

This is why under 0 circumstances will I ever trust Batman to save my life. Once you get in that love triangle with Bruce and Joker, he’ll choose Joker everytime.

[@joaquinalexandervalencia3182]

In fact, many times Batman was seen abandoning the Joker for others, the problem is the script that saves the Joker, an example of this is in Assault on Arkham

[@jollyd.joestar3937]

Huh? How you expect Batman to find where Jason is with no clue??

[@gabbemc5449]

@@jollyd.joestar3937 you mean batman?

[@jollyd.joestar3937]

@@gabbemc5449 yeah Batman

[@skullknightsfanboy8991]

@@jollyd.joestar3937 even after batty find out he was alive he still kept joker alive

[@yo-2029]

I know it’s kind of irrelevant in this timeline, but this is one of the reasons why I partially supported Superman in the injustice timeline. Joker has caused way too much damage to so many people. It caused Superman to go off the rails. The screams of Jason were very disturbing! I just loved this game, but this was a very unsettling game!

[@B1g_B0sssss]

Resulting to dictatorship however is defently not something that would make you support superman.

[@yo-2029]

@@B1g_B0sssssthat’s why I said “partially”. His anger became misdirected.

[@SUTTYEA]

There should be an alternate universe where Batman kills joker for it edit: OK FOR ALL THOSE WHO ARE COMMENTING BATMAN WHO LAUGHS. THAT INCIDENT WAS CAUSED BY AN ALTERNATIVE VERSION OF THE KILLING JOKE. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP COMMENTING BATMAN WHO LAUGHS.

[@batmandarkknightmetal5329]

Do you think jason steel alive in flashpoint paradox

[@andrewcabral963]

Yeah it's exactly him doing nothing after Jason got killed is saying Jason meant nothing to him.

[@PowerLevelOG]

@@ThatGuyChoco hey looks like bats from BVS (DCEU)

[@batmandarkknightmetal5329]

@@PowerLevelOG but he didn't kill the joker yet

[@jackd-hittomann1289]

Ha that will be beautiful funny and unpredictable almost like becoming theJOKER if I was the big bat I will have KjIL the joker without thinking long time ago maybe since the beginning

[@PetePlayGames1992]

Troy Baker did a god job voicing Jason

[@pennywise8994]

Man Troy baker is one of the most talented actors I know. He played joker, Batman, Jason Todd, night wing, Joel Miller, Sam drake, and they all have such different range of voices. Amazing.

[@SidPil]

That guy is there in every game

[@SidPil]

@@mojojojo2468 read the comment again

[@Tyler_W]

It's only the billionth character he's played in a video game and one of at least three characters he voices in Batman: Arkham Knight (Two-Face, Tim Drake/Robin and Jason Todd/Arkham Knight/Red Hood), but yes, he's really good at what he does, and as usual, he did an excellent job. He's just in literally everything. He can and should still get plenty of work (because he really is great in most of his roles), but the industry also needs to allow for a broader talent pool to take prominent VA roles.

[@fredo_4x628]

@@SidPil FR LMAO

[@frankie8023]

Joker laughing uncontrollably as Jason screamed, fucking haunts me..

[@undeadreaper2340]

😂

[@diobrando4063]

@@undeadreaper2340 😂 that was my genuine rection to your comment

[@NickyLunaLove]

Jason’s story is still one of the most depressing and unsettling stories I’ve ever heard

[@hellothere-ij2ij]

Punching his own son Not killing the joker Fucking other superhero's girlfriends Yep that's a superhero

[@DondonII]

Well you can look at the dark knight returns if you want to see him kill joker, I always like that batman the most.

[@hellothere-ij2ij]

@@DondonII me too I grew up with the trilogy always loved it

[@EpicMinecraftFail]

If I only talked about your worst moments I could probably make you look like a terrible person too

[@YouGottaShootEmInTheHead]

@@EpicMinecraftFail Batman constantly avoids killing Joker because the latter gaslights him and guilts him into thinking killing is wrong even by his own standards when those standards let the joker get fucking freed like a hundred times and having endangered or killed millions

[@EpicMinecraftFail]

@@YouGottaShootEmInTheHead he doesn't really let him go free, joker is just an extremely intelligent and manipulative person and the guards at Arkham Asylum are just regular people that really stand no chance. First thing you should realize is that Batman isn't an executioner, he's just a means to bringing criminals to justice, killing isn't what he's there for And secondly the thing you should really be complaining about is why the justice league hasn't built some kind of super prison made to contain these psychopaths

[@thefezer456676]

1:49 just noticed how fast Joker's movements were. No wonder he gets the drop on people so easily.

[@romariomejia5396]

Fastest in the west

[@edgaralonso8088]

Quickest circus clown in gotham

[@cm9231]

I like the theory that The Joker is a former black ops operative or interrogator, would definitely explain his knowledge of torture and his expertise with weapons

[@SootherousNoise]

I don't normally cry, when watching comic stuff. But my God hearing Jason's screams made me shed tears. Lord, The Hell he had to go through. Hearing his screams are truly terrifying.

[@harunilive1719]

I know it's a cartoon and all but that was f$#@ed up man.... I'm never gonna live the same again

[@parkeredits8072]

It made me really uncomfortable

[@trayquantiller273]

@@harunilive1719 what happened

[@imwonko]

If you cried over this you definitely do normally cry

[@bvsement1217]

It’s not even that serious. Literally the cries for help sounded fake asf. I’ve seen movies with better piercing screams than this. Just take it for what it is; a silly comic book

[@World_Tree495]

Bro I cried so badly everytime I heard Jason's screams to stop. It always broke my heart seeing and hearing what hapenned to him.

[@equipeantipiratage1084]

Am i the only who got PSTD from this when I was younger?

[@Altayer706]

​@@equipeantipiratage1084 saaaameeeeee this scene my childhood trauma

[@Altayer706]

​@@equipeantipiratage1084bro i hate joker

[@Altayer706]

was*

[@panpancarpanpancar]

In the comics Jason was in the warehouse for a few hours being beeten by a crowbar and then the bomb exploded. In the Arkhamverse he was tortured for months by the Joker in the Asylum. It's so frightening.

[@bichyas3741]

What about the scenes with the other inmates assaulting him?

[@panpancarpanpancar]

@@bichyas3741 They just punched him and holdes him untill Joker beat him

[@antoine121]

Not a couple months bro a whole year smh.

[@craahwilliams570]

2 years actually

[@oskar11245]

Hi sorry do you know What comic shows the whole torture he went through with Joker? We briefly see some strips in the video

[@rafif1662]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate Jason and the jokers voice actors. Truly chilling

[@skugo9542]

I have absolutely no idea how Batman was able to keep his deadpan composure after seeing Jason like that. If I were Batman and I finally found Jason after thinking that he was dead for over two years, I would've just burst into tears and hugged him, especially after hearing those haunting screams too... I just know for a fact that I wouldn't have been able to stay emotionless like that

[@jbktpl1245]

To be fair, Jason did have a gun to his head.

[@dhruvbharija172]

Sometimes Batman is annoying

[@cadeshanley218]

Years of training to keep his composure but still feel the huge turmoil deep within his soul.

[@cadeshanley218]

And the fact that he punishes and tortures himself by watching the "death" video for his guilt and regret over and over as we see Alfred's sad reply from watching it in the Arkham VR game. "Must we relive this so often Master Bruce?"

[@neroidius6915]

Ikr, what a wasted moment

[@sadgirlhours4088]

I find the Arkham games to have the most powerful effect due to troy bakers voice acting. It sounds like hes actually being tortured in the sound booth and its mortifying. His performance is astounding and its really underappreciated. He does really well during his final fight, you really hear his internal conflict, and whenever his voice cracks it speaks volumes. And I know this is a really controversial and hot take, but I think it was a better choice that he didnt actually die. The militia was pretty ridiculous and the lack of joker mulls it down a bit, but jason actually living is so much better. Idk how to explain it, it just is imo.

[@mrhollowtipz]

To this day I surprised that this event didn’t change batman & make him want payback in blood. Jason went through absolute Hell.

[@parafaust6201]

Batman's parents die and he turns into the Batman Batman's son gets brutally tortured for 2 years by his arch nemesis and he just vibin a day after

[@joaquinalexandervalencia3182]

The problem is not Batman, it is the Gotham police, he literally locks him up, but whoever locks him up in a psychiatric hospital, Batman follows what the law says, he is like a policeman nothing more, the problem is the corruption of Gotham for not murdering a serial killer.

[@drrunner4146]

In one of the comics he did avenge Jason in a alternative universe

[@wellingtonafonsodecarvalho9842]

@@drrunner4146 yea in some universes Batman indeed avenged Robin and either tortured or just straight up killed the Joker

[@michaelpfeiffer2787]

He did sorta. Joker was missing just as long as Jason. The next time he saw joker was after he had already presumed Jason dead and finished all stages of grief. In that time where Jason was missing, The creature of the night was at his most brutal. He only really stopped when Tim (3rd robin) volunteered to be robin and filled the gap in batman's life.

[@warden1606]

This explains why Batman gone full "instant kill mode " in Ben afleck- snyder version of Batman

[@cesar6447]

Not at all, bc in the comics he didn't kill anyone after jason's death... Snyder just wanna see Batman killing ppl, he even laugh at ppl that says Batman doesn't kill

[@warden1606]

@@cesar6447 man.. Even batman could lose his mind after all this.. In a realistic way he probably will blame his one rule for being the reason Joker was still alive.. Which could stop him from following the same rule

[@cesar6447]

@@warden1606 reallistic isn't "the worst way possible" the desicion of batman of being loyal to his rule is also reallistic even more with jason death, bc that rule comes from the death of his parents... and bc when he almost kills the murder, the son saw him and blame him for the death of his father... creating another villain. Batman knows what killing someone can do the victim and the murderer

[@warden1606]

@@cesar6447 I do love batman being symbolic too.. But I don't think it's humanly possible.. I was pissed the Batfleck batman too.. But after realizing about the redemption arc I was relieved

[@jujuteuxOfficial]

in general rule, snyder just wants things to be dark for the sake of it even if it comes at the price of substance or the cost of well developped characters batman is batman because of his morals and him as a person, if you have an alternate universe where batman is the opposite then you might just create a new character that doesn't have anything to do with batman other than looks i could say the same for superman, how any other movies or series on him gave him restrictions because his morals made it that he had to to his task while saving everyone from danger, the challenge wasn't an opponent stronger than him, but an opponent that could cause enormous collateral damage or keep a large population in hostage while doing the deeds like in BvM or Man of steel, superman gives zero shits and destroys hundreds of buildings while fighting his opponent, like when he pushes zod's head against a building while flying, collapsing it, or him going the other side of the planet to destroy a flying thing while he had immediate dangers to take care of first at least in joss version of justice league, he kept the part where batman talked about his mortality and how close he neared death a few hours before, but naaah, snyder go brrrrr

[@corvus5964]

look now I completely understand why Jason wanted to kill joker for what he did to him and I would be the exact same way but if I was in todd's shoes and managed to get my hands on joker I would then do that same thing he did to me and yes that may be evil but if he tortured me for that long and put me through all that agony and suffering and then i know that no one is coming to save me then i would definitely become what Jason became or perhaps worse

[@snakefate9888]

That’s why I’m not a fan of the red hood of the past five or so years, he is a villain driven by hate, not just nightwing with a gun that doesn’t even have leathal bullets

[@jaydenk.9670]

@@snakefate9888 the reason why I love red Hood is because even after over a year of torture he was still able to recover from trying to kill Batman, when he had been conditioned and broken into believing that he was the source of his pain, and after seeing Batman's flawed logic, still he is able to move past the hatred for him and work with him in a way that gets rid of the bad for good, plus he's badass

[@anthonyalvarez9991]

Yea but wouldn’t that be kind of pointless though I would too but I thought the joker can’t feel pain?

[@bluecrusaderfilms]

@@anthonyalvarez9991 He can feel it, he just has a really high pain tolerance

[@t-posingbobafett6017]

In the Arkham universe, joker was long dead when he became the Arkham knight. So that's why he wanted to get revenge on joker. In the normal comic, he was beaten for probally an hour or less before dying. Then he got revived and beat the joker, then he got him, joker and batman together. If you want the rest, type in under the red hood ending

[@jasminizuku]

4:46 5:06 His desperation,pleas,sobs and fear made me cry and feel so bad for him I just wish I could save him from his horrible torture,hug him tightly and let him cry it out and tell him it's going to be okay....

[@jynxvxa8342]

The fact that he added ‘play’ to what they did to him makes me shiver

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

I wish we could have an alternate Universe DC Black Label Book where this damaged version of Jason Todd/Red Hood goes out for revenge and gives a Garth Ennis style living hell to Joker, inmates that assisted in torturing Jason, Frank Boles (Prison Guard), Batman, and the GCPD. This would be more satisfying than Todd Phillips and Martin Scorsese’s attempt of making Joker sympathetic and “relatable”.

[@ra.n9482]

Yeah . That can have a ...horrrifying intrepetation .

[@TheRealBorb]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I might actually make one. A fan comic, think of it as. Il link it when its done.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@TheRealBorb can’t wait to read it

[@Denturess]

@@TheRealBorb I’ll be here waiting too

[@DoganME]

That's why Under the Red Hood story doesn't work in Arkham-verse, because Joker is dead, most of people believe that Batman killed Joker, you can hear the criminals talk about it in Arkham City after the final battle, Jason in comicbook/movie wanted Batman to kill the Joker, to make him believe that Batman still cares about him, so he would punish Joker, but Joker is dead, no need to fight.

[@MrJcdelete18]

That’s what I thought in the beginning, but in most versions Jason was tortured for a short period of time, but in the Arkhamverse he was tortured for a full year which is why his mind snapped

[@lordofthesithvader9430]

He wants to kill Batman for not saving him. He hates both of them. Jason was tortured for 2 years and then Jason found out he was replaced with Tim. So that's why he hated him so much, then helped him in the end of AK.

[@mikejones774]

@@MrJcdelete18 The reason he fights Batman is because in those two years Jason was tortured and mentally trained to try to kill Batman

[@dolfuny]

That's what I thought too but since in arkham he never actually dies so it's kinda like batman just failed to save him for years. I find jason to be more compelling when his motivation is wanting batman to avenge his death though but him being mad about being tortured for years and getting replaced is also makes sense to me. Honestly batman was a really bad detective when it came to jason

[@ericlayton8888]

@@mikejones774 plus I'm pretty sure when Joker dressed up those other inmates as Batman to beat him up, he'd dosed Jason with fear toxin to make sure it was as traumatic as possible

[@rwade4387]

At some point you have to realize that “moral code” is causing pain for innocent people. Sure he’s never broken it... but for people to act like it’s a good thing is a mind bender.

[@r.a.k4390]

Yes. There are exceptions to every moral code

[@tfwthelsdkicksin6083]

He's a disturbed individual wearing a batsuit. Yes the code is stupid but Bruce is so traumatized he most probably can't see how dumb his only rule is.

[@intergalactickoala665]

I think the rule is respectable, to a degree. But Bruce has inferred many times that the rule, in many ways, is for himself. If he broke it, he would snap. For all of his mental strength, that is Bruce's anchor - if he cuts it away, he'll drift into the sea of uncertainty, shrouded in a endless fog of madness.

[@viiruzsx]

Yeah but I hate it when people get mad at Batman for not kill him or his rogue gallery but they probably don't know one of Batman's Famous Line it always starts with one. He'll never stop kill the Criminal Scum and when someone trys to stop him he just kills them aswell It makes sense why he doesn't kill he'll be even worse

[@viiruzsx]

@@intergalactickoala665 For real finally a smart person

[@bluejay420]

Doesn’t matter what multiverse we see, all we know is Jason never got saved…hearing him scream for help is just horrifying. Some versions of Jason definitely had it worse. That Batman VR one gave me chills

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

One other thing I'd like to add onto what everyone's saying: The Joker is insane and twisted and pure evil. True. But what makes him what he is is that *he KNOWS it.* He knows for a FACT that he's horrible, he knows what he's doing, knows he's good at it, and he uses that fact to his advantage. The reason Harleen Quinzel got with him and went all clown? She thought she could save him. He manipulated her into thinking she could make him better, and was making him better, until he dropped the bomb (almost literally) and she became Harley Quinn. The reason he has a different backstory every time you ask? Because he WANTS you to fall into the "I Can Fix Him!" train. He wants you to think he's redeemable. The true evil of The Joker lies in his complete and utter 100% cognizance of everything in his mind, and his knowledge that other people don't know that. THAT'S why as long as Joker lives, he is always dangerous, never safe, and should never be trusted. As long as Joker is alive, the horrible things that happen in his wake will never stop. And he knows that. On the other hand, his ultimate goal is to die at the hands of Batman. If Batman kills Joker, Joker wins. Because Joker amps up every single time only to see just how far Bruce will go until snapping and killing him. He always puts the knife in Batman's hands (sometimes literally), but Batman doesn't kill him because he KNOWS that that's what Joker wants. The Joker's whole existence revolves around the perpetual cycle of Batman and his villains, simply because he's Batman's greatest villain. He is the antithesis of what Batman stands for in every way. And one of the things Batman stands for is "never kill." And so he kills and kills and kills until Batman finally caves. That's where the real horror of the Joker lies. He's just playing a game, one where no matter who Bruce can save, no matter how many times Bruce locks him away, no matter if Batman were to shoot him in the face, Joker ALWAYS wins.

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

And the terrifying thing is that in some versions of Batman, the most recent being Batman Who Laughs, he actually does cross that line and literally became joker because of it. Granted it was because joker had a drug in his system released upon death that would turn anyone near him into jokerized people but still Batman himself, without that joker toxin, would have nothing left holding him back if he were to cross the line.

[@xenolenoo]

Actually, there is a way for the joker to lose: die of natural causes, and have Batman be killed by someone unaffiliated with Batman or the joker. It’s been seen multiple times that the joker has saved Batman’s life when it’s not him about to kill Batman. Then, the joker wouldnt have anyone to “play with”.

[@bk7064]

I'm sick of people acting like this is in the hands of Batman. The police should've taken their shot and the justice system should already have him gone.

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

@@bk7064 This is also very true, but remember this is comic books we're talking about XD

[@krahvata]

I always found it so stupid that the reason Batman never kills Joker is because that way Joker wins and Batman is going to become a serial killer. Is Joker's ego and wish to be killed by Batman really more important than the lives he destroys every single minute he's alive? I do like Batman but he really pisses me off with his whole no kill policy. Villains like Joker aren't ever going to change. That's very clear after his like 500 stint in Arkham. That's why I like anti-heros more, because they aren't afraid to kill a bitch.

[@hypershadic4697]

It hurt...to hear Jason scream for "Mom"

[@penguinking5391]

when

[@franciscobartolome9026]

@@penguinking5391 like 1:26 i think

[@JohnNumber1]

1:22

[@cheetopuff8888]

I'm not sure if it's "mom" , it also sounds like a scream. But it's still so sad :(

[@ShawMix1]

Bruh I hate that Batman is just “ I’m sorry, we can do this together” like no more it’s more than sorry my mans robin got torurted it ain’t just sorry

[@ShawMix1]

@Salik Collins it ain’t. He can do damn more. And it Happened way worse in the comments. Robin was beaten,tortured. Way worse than this.

[@ShawMix1]

@Salik Collins it all Batman’s fault. He took him with him. Batman knew better deep inside

[@ethrawn373]

The way it ends in “Batman: Under the Red Hood” is a lot better

[@ShawMix1]

@@ethrawn373 lmao he did the same thing wym

[@capybara9521]

@Salik Collins you like your own comment stfu kid

[@thedeep7277]

Did you know in arkham asylum you can actually find all the proof of Jason being there from beating schedules on white boards to even videotapes of him being tortured. Its interesting because he has the same exact look and design he did in arkham knight when batman has flash backs

[@finnicvoice4974]

Batman should have amputated all Joker's limbs, crushed his voice box and made him blind. That way, he could never hurt anyone again. But hey, at least he would not be dead!

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@FinnicVoice no excuses for DC, they easily could have integrated that in the Arkham games or Animated movies, just Batman beating the absolute crap out of the Joker. I really didn’t get much out of The Robert Pattinson trailer because he just messed up a random thug I couldn’t give a damn about. If the Joker shows up at that universe and Batman doesn’t do worse to him, I will never forgive Matt Reeves or Fans for enforcing that Bull Crap.

[@aledg25]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 He does that in arkham origins lol

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

@@aledg25 he was more deserving of it hear and I wish it lead to that damaged Joker appearance Jared Leto had

[@mattgillet6917]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 leto was ashit a joker with a shit look. The snyder verse isn't a good role model or source of the batman and joker relationship

[@ozthewizard1]

@@mattgillet6917 I kind of liked the Snyder Batman, I could easily see them doing a whole redemption ark thing with him. But yeah the joker was a joke... pun intended

[@allaboutthegrindEli]

The fact that everybodys complaining about batman not killing joker shows how well written he is. batman is flawed and this helps us understand why some characters dont like him.

[@Whocares158]

Joker would have won if Batman decided to kill him. That's what Joker wants is to break Batman anyway possible. Mentality and Physically. Going after loved ones to try and break him get him to snap.

[@synnamon_toast_crunch]

And could you imagine if Batman suddenly snapped and executed every criminal? The public would then start to be kinda weary of Batman. Fear if left unchecked creates unrest and anger. Then anger explodes with Violence.

[@l0singzanity1]

@@Whocares158 Oh, so answer is to just let Homicidal Maniac, who took the lives of many people, run around? Yeah no that whole "If you kill me, I win" is so dumb and pointless now.

[@rodrelackerman9324]

@@l0singzanity1 that's true. That phrase is so overdone and bland. Who gives a damn if he "wins"? He's dead,simple as that

[@itsdandubs6789]

@@l0singzanity1 the thing is the joker knows batman a bit too well, he knows that if he kills him he woul probably just keep going, killing the villains as he wouldn't be satisfied with killing him, knowing he was defeated, and all his code thing was for nothing, all his mistakes would hunt him as he KNOWS he wasn't right in his code, but neither was killing the clown, So if batman takes a step into killing....he probably wouldn't be able to stop

[@Arkhamman2023]

For people wondering how Batman didn’t find him, let me explain Now yes, Joker sent Batman a footage of Jason’s death, which made Batman think Jason died (when he didn’t) but it’d not just that, the reason why Batman couldn’t find Jason was because there was no clue... there wasn’t a hint from Joker, no tracking, nothing. Detectives always are given clues to solve but unfortunately, Batman had no clue of hint to solve on where Jason could be which made him clueless. He probably searched every place where Joker has been and he just gave up. Which is why Batman put a tracker on Dick and (probably) Tim’s suit so whenever they get lost, they will have a tracker so Batman can find them.

[@Gemini053]

I still can’t excuse or forgive that. Clues or not that’s still his son he should have tried harder.

[@Mouseman358]

@@Gemini053 what else could he have done? 😐 you act like he just said fuck it

[@cm9231]

@@Mouseman358 exactly, this guy would probably go to the parents of e.g. Madeline McCann and be like 'ffs just try harder'

[@cm9231]

The Joker probably intentionally made sure there were no clues present in the footage. Just further shows how much of an evil genius and sadist he is

[@Gemini053]

@@Mouseman358I’ll come back and edit this later but it Felt like he did to me. I don’t know it just seems as though Batman has been backsliding into being like the Joker lately.

[@brianalambert1192]

I still prefer what happened in Under the Red Hood and I'll explain; I love the twist that Jason isn't angry at Batman for not saving him, he's angry and rightfully calls out Batman for letting the Joker live after that. Batman was close, heartbreakingly close to saving him, and he failed. The set up was already perfect for Jason to still be hurt by not being saved. But that's not why he's angry, and he makes that perfectly clear. It's a wonderful twist that directs the light on Batman's code. Nevermind that he is still fighting to clean up crime just not having qualms about killing people Don't get me wrong the Arkham storyline is horrifically tragic and Jason went through way more than in Under the Red Hood, there's nothing wrong with the Arkham storyline. I just think it's so dark that there is no way that you could have done the original twist with this set up. Of course Jason would be a much more broken personality after what happened in the Arkham storyline, but his main motivation for revenge still seemed to be that Batman didn't find him. Again, perfectly understandable and a twisted storyline, but it's kind of exactly what you would expect for Jason's motivations after he went through all that. There's nothing about his motivation that challenges Batman's core values, mainly because Joker is already dead. And on top of it Jason's working for the Scarecrow who is going to kill/torment millions of people if he succeeds just to get back at Batman. Again, it's completely understandable in this storyline, it's just exactly what I would expect given these circumstances. In short, the Arkham storyline is tragic because of what happened to Jason and how helpless Batman was to do anything to stop it (Jason turned off his tracker because he wanted to kill the Joker and the Joker for once didn't give Batman any clues whatsoever to find him). The Under the Red Hood storyline is tragic because of how the event changed Jason and how close Batman was to averting it Regardless, I still want one bloody storyline where I get to see Jason show up on the doorstep, ready to come home, and Alfred drops any pretenses and embraces him in a fit of sobbing. While I would love to see Bruce do this too, I have a hard time picturing it in a way that is organic unless Batman suddenly embraces Jason whilst they are in the middle of arguing

[@sharonchavis7272]

Out of all of batman's partners who got hurt,Jason suffered the most.

[@cm9231]

From a storytelling perspective it's arguably one of the best things to happen to Batman, his guilt over Jason just adds another layer to his character

[@CT--lg8lv]

And yet after all of this batman could cross the line to kill this piece of evil garbage for what he did to his own damn son jason didn't deserve this

[@crazygamer_1082]

Agreed. What kind of moral code is it to not kill someone under those conditions? Joker’s not the type to stop and clearly prison/asylum isn’t going to prevent him either. I would’ve been killed Joker if he did that to my kid. And Joker sent the man videos? Batman lost so much of my respect, how could he just not kill him?

[@CT--lg8lv]

@@crazygamer_1082 yeah I would make sure that the joker would feel every single drop of pain blood and agony he put me through

[@RavenLordOfficials]

And he replaced him too

[@bruhbruh2099]

@@crazygamer_1082 did you watch the movie. It’s because Batman admitted to not being psychologically stable. He says if he kills even 1 person, he would loose himself and go on a killing spree, therefore making himself un-aware of his actions and basically invincible because of how much training he has.

[@invaderjet5946]

@@bruhbruh2099 then he shouldn't be a hero if he can't handle killing one monster

[@chieftimbits1762]

Listening him murmur,”not again, please not again.” Made me so sad

[@DKSON1337]

5:28 Damn bro.. That really made me feel bad for the guy..

[@Randomizer-editz]

This full on destroyed my heart 😢😢

[@firework8140]

A true adult knows when to break their own personal code for the sake of others. The no killing the bad guys is a really good code to have as a hero as the goons are sometimes just another dude that's just trying to survive and isnt blessed with good luck. But dude like Joker that kills people for fun.... who has been in and out of Arkham without any sort of change to his morale. Bro just kill him already. At this point, Batman just proved Joker's point where they both rely on each others existance to feel a sense a purpose.

[@olchapplobro5258]

the reason batman doesn't kill the joker because then he'd snap and kill every criminal, even the goons who are just trying to get by

[@sincerelyfromkas]

@Fanjanhong * it doesn’t make sense but it’s the truth. Batman has extremely strong will to not have killed joker and other villains, but why do you think he beats the hell out of enemies so willingly? Because he wants to kill them, but he can’t. And if he did he’d snap.

[@ninjababy4099]

Batman isn’t an adult, he’s a kid in bat costume trying to save his city playing hero, and holding onto his code is the only way he can do it and still feel good about himself

[@SuperOscar2003]

@@ninjababy4099 I agree best cases scenarios will be dark knight returns Batman who killed joker or Thomas Wayne, worst case would be the Batman who laughs, Jesus Christ

[@mughead6922]

@Fanjanhong * Are you stupid or what. Did you not see what happened when he actually killed the joker?? He went insane and became the Batman who laughs. Became the most feared villain of all dc

[@nothinmuch8519]

Jason Todd rlly exists just to either be in the darkest vengeance and suffering. He either become the Red Hood or the Hush, his fate in life was so depressing and dark.

[@LonoWasTaken]

Dick Grayson as Robin : Nearly gets beaten to death by Slade ( don't know if it's cannon or not really) Jason Todd as Robin : Gets beaten to death with a crowbar and blown up by The Joker. Damn bats, after all of that you go ahead and recruit Tim?

[@timdrake3100]

I mean I was a very good detective

[@kog1540]

Tim was second Robin

[@timdrake3100]

@@kog1540 Second I was not the second robin

[@bakasenpaigibigii9524]

@@kog1540 3rd

[@mumussb7163]

@@timdrake3100 Tim you are my second favorite robin