oh bhai! kya toh conversation sun ne ko mili. Sahi mein Hats Off to Mumbai Local Train Systems. Pune ho, Bangaluru ho ya phir Delhi ho....kisi city mein aisa dam nhi. public transport ki jo suvidha Mumbai mein hai wo kisi aur jagah par nhi. aur jis tarah se yaha ki locals evolve hui hai wo kaabil-e-taareef hai. Sahi me Suburban Railway Network hamari Life Line hai. Koi mel nhi Local Tain ki services ka. Aur sirji ne bahut achhi tarah se sab baaten saamne rakhi. aise podcast ke liye Thank You.🙏🙏🙏
@ABCvibes921 күн бұрын
Yeee😂 ..was epic of uncle..yeee😂
@bikramjitjena16 күн бұрын
Same bro 😂
@adarsh88486 күн бұрын
Good observation 😂
@avijoshi769616 күн бұрын
I'm born and brought up 70 years ago but this is the first doco fully about Bombay local transit. Thanks for giving me an insight to local trains.
@sanjeevsangeeta23 күн бұрын
Evolution of Suburban Services from 1853 to 2024 explained like never before by Sir ❤
@maharashtraengineeringadmi642817 күн бұрын
You will get all the details on Wikipedia
@spicygamer558721 күн бұрын
मुंबई मध्ये लोकल कसे मिळतात नवीन गाडी - पहिले मिळते पश्चिम आणि मध्य रेल्वे मुख्य मार्गांवर मध्य रेल्वे (कळवा आणि कुर्ला कारशेड ) मग मिळते तीच गाडी 8/10 वर्षांनी हार्बर लाईन ला. (सानपाडा कारशेड) काही नशीबवान गाड्या पुणे लोणावळा मार्गांवर जातात. पण maintainance साठी कळवा कारशेड लाच येतात मग अजून 3-4 वर्षांनी ट्रान्स हार्बर. मग अजून 1-2 वर्षांनी आता लेटेस्ट सुरु झालेल्या उरण ते बेलापूर / नेरुळ लाईन वर मग अगदी भंगार झाली तरीपण हार्बर आणि ट्रान्स हार्बर मार्गांवर्ती असतातच. त्या वर्षानुवर्षे स्क्रॅप होतच नाहीत 😢
@subodhjain680920 күн бұрын
Trans harbour is another story. It is neither part of MRVC plan or CIDCO original agreement. This line was originally made at the cost of CIDCO for freight traffic around 1983. When CIDCO requested for upgrading it to Suburban standards, Railways demanded entire capital cost including the trains. Agreement is silent about who will pay for the replacement of trains and that is one of the reasons that upgradation of trains on trans harbour is last priority.
@shiva957519 күн бұрын
Harbour line and Trans harbour line locals get interchanged at Panvel. eg a train come from CSMT to Panvel and from Panvel the train goes to Thane.
@shiva957519 күн бұрын
@@subodhjain6809 you mean that entire line running from Thane to Nerul was constructed for freight trains??
@bharatiyagarva17 күн бұрын
Mumbait scrap zalelya mag Kolkatyala la jaatat.
@saamirsyed426116 күн бұрын
@@shiva9575yes
@shashank318322 күн бұрын
You can say whatever you can but Mumbai needs a robust Metro system. The Mumbai Local is the backbone of the city, no doubt about that, but it is also the most disgusting and pathetic way to travel anywhere in the world during peak hours. When the railway employees say that the locals don't make them money, they discount the fact that the city has progressed so much because of locals.
@user-rg5gi3gy7b23 күн бұрын
You didn't discuss why AC local is not properly implemented in Mumbai?
@jaybheda9623 күн бұрын
Audience hi nahi chahti
@deadshot613523 күн бұрын
Expensive h isliye
@jaybheda9623 күн бұрын
@@deadshot6135 pehle 75 minimum fare thi ab 35 ho gayi hai aage Chalke 10 se fare shuru honge
@zeeeli137722 күн бұрын
@@jaybheda96 free service nhi hai naa, 10 rupees is still expensive for charsi, chapri, gardula, ouli😂😂
@jaybheda9622 күн бұрын
@@zeeeli1377 free service nahi milna chahiye kyunki railway itni facilities de raha hai itna paisa toh banta hai
@adityakambli649518 күн бұрын
Subodh Jain. GREAT PERSONALITY ❤
@ravimandalam242412 күн бұрын
Being born & brought up in Bombay & my father also worked in railways i am familiar with many of these matters but this explanation is very knowledgeable hat's off to this person every word is appreciated.Thank you.
@rjaditya22 күн бұрын
best interviewer ever!! love this man ...what a podcast!!! Love it!!!
@Bhartiya_Railworld22 күн бұрын
2025 mein Mumbai Local ke 100 years hone wale hai toh farz banta hai ki ek special train daudai jaaye
@VikramSingh-fd9uj20 күн бұрын
Mumbai is paralyzed by Realestate players and political nexus.
@abhinavpawar679419 күн бұрын
That's true 💯 Real estate Mafia political nexus
@hdkloh685722 күн бұрын
At 24:50, shows the mentality of typical railway babus who is seating in AC Cabins & functioning the railway operations. Bureaucracy should give some dignity to people travelling in Local Trains.
@salibaks218 күн бұрын
Such an insightful conversation! Sir ne dil khol ke baatein batai. Thanks for this video.
@mihirkate355318 күн бұрын
You have missed the bhajans Part which is the most socially connecting zone for the daily commuters (morning and evening)
@nitin19476 күн бұрын
Its a seat grabbing scam.
@sudhanshu.1315 күн бұрын
Sir's smile radiates an extraordinary level of happiness. It's rare to find such people in today's world. ❤
@gourabsadhu540022 күн бұрын
Every year more than 1000 passengers die of accident due to overcrowding or illegal track crossing in mumbai sub urban. Stop glorifying it as mumbai culture. It needs a major overhaul. People's lives are more important than 20 paisa per km ride. And you have the audacity to criticize metro rail. Have some shame.
@yogs112622 күн бұрын
Agreed on safety point but track crossing is it railways fault we as citizens should also take initiative just for that few minutes of urgency we risk our life😢
@RitwickChatterjee1420 күн бұрын
1. He didn't criticize metro rail, he simply stated the fact. Metros can never match the capacity what suburban rail can provide. That's a basic fact, worldwide applicable. You cannot compare orange with apple and vice-versa. 2. That's true overcrowding in the coaches is the major factor of fatal accidents, but honestly, as stated running trains any closer or longer is not viable. The overhaul is required for the BEST services and complementing Metro services. Absence of multiple East-West public transit is a major factor of overloading on the lines until Andheri or Dadar. 3. Fatalities due to illegal track crossing cannot be fault of railways, when the danger & risks involved in doing so is very clear to everyone. 4. In my opinion, what at least WR can experiment is with additional super fast services between the 2 ends during peak with only 3 (alternative intermediate) stops like in evenings with every 15 mins freq: a. Churchgate - Dadar - Andheri - Mira rd - Virar b. Churchgate - Dadar - Bandra - Dahisar - Virar c. Churchgate - Dadar - Borivali - Bhayandar -Virar The above options are in addition to the existing Fast services
@RajendranathReddy-fj5hh20 күн бұрын
@@yogs1126it is not urgency. It's lazy. They tend to cover it up with urgency.
@combinedstudy642719 күн бұрын
Kuch BIMARU state h unki population Kam ho jaye. Vaha ke Naukari Kaam mil jaye to City ka crowd Kam hoga. Abhi bhi UP Bihar me kitna baccha paida ho raha hai. 30 Crore ke upar hai ye two states ki.
@shiva957519 күн бұрын
@@RitwickChatterjee14 first ask why WR is running so many Churchgate - Goregaon/Borivali trains and very less trains beyond Borivali and almost no trains for Dahanu. And also ask why fast train not directly going to Churchgate after Mumbai Central.
@satyam152919 күн бұрын
Navi Mumbai plan was made in 1942, considering the population influx in Mumbai city, to have a satellite city to manage the population. In 1964, State Government created a independent body called CIDCO. Actual ground work started in 1971, by development of Vashi - Sector - 1, construction of creek bridge in between Vashi - Mumbai. First residence were employees of BARC. All mostly Government officials. Parallelly CIDCO started developing other nodes too till Panvel
@avsvss366020 күн бұрын
At the *_very minimum the doors of the local should be automatic closing!_* This should be a *basic safety* requirement! We should *NOT* have people hanging out of the trains in 2024! I personally also think that *air conditioning is a human right...* especially in a climate like Mumbai and most of India!
@nilanjanpramanik358720 күн бұрын
No..never..open door is the real fun
@shiva957519 күн бұрын
Open doors are more convenient bro
@avsvss366018 күн бұрын
@@shiva9575 Why should apparent "convenience" be held above the safety of human life?! Also, convenient does NOT mean efficient. The speed cannot be increased if the doors do not close.
@VireshBelhe23 күн бұрын
Super 👍 very much informative. Thanks Subodh sir
@rahultalsaniya424915 күн бұрын
Mumbai Locals ❤
@riteshr947720 күн бұрын
Mtlr. Subodh seems to be from CR. You may get someone from WR as well for an interview.
@avsvss366020 күн бұрын
Travelling from Virar to Church gate takes the train 1hr17mins for 60-70km (roughly the track length, not aerial distance!) journey. It takes a fast suburban train from Watford Junction to London Euston (approx. 30 km) 21 mins. Yes, Metro options in London take 1 hr with about 13-15 stops just like the Mumbai local route. Then Mumbai Local has it beat on speed but considering population density Mumbai needs to have a fast train that can also do Virar to Churchgate in 30 mins! Something an brand new RRTS could do. The bullet train could do that in 12 minutes. (Although, it will only go to BKC and not Churchgate or CSMT at the moment).
@kgbako684111 күн бұрын
Valid questions asked ....Very well narrated by respected guest.....one of the best interviews I have seen on Mumbai Suburban rail network. Thank you!!
@nitin19476 күн бұрын
90% of the mill workers were from Maharashtra. 60% of them were from Konkan and rest were from Nashik, Pune and western Maharashtra.North Indians influx started in Mumbai from during 1960's and that to because of depiction of Mumbai in Hindi movies. After Shivasena's governmetn free housing for zuggi owners gave boost to this influx.
@subodhjain68096 күн бұрын
Noted with thanks
@pspol327313 күн бұрын
इन्हें सुनकर राजू श्रीवास्तव की याद आ गई.. बार बार... ऐ ऐ करते है।
@rahullife26907 күн бұрын
Raju ke ye video kehna chaiye tha
@HRHKamal22 күн бұрын
Bahut hi mazedar podcast. Purani history suburban rail ki, kya kya development hue, operational insights sun ne ko mile. Sir ki bahut indrpth knowledge hai Mumbai ki lifeline transport system ki. Anand aa gya!
@prasadsalunke2318 күн бұрын
Lovely man would like to hear for hours
@VikasKumar-xx7kw23 күн бұрын
A true picture of Mumbai local by shri S K jain Sir.
@Muthukumar-qd8ms23 күн бұрын
This is going to be monumental 🎉 all
@sanketchoudhury201323 күн бұрын
By far, it's the best podcast by JK. Maza aa gaya🫡🫡
@bikramjitjena16 күн бұрын
I enjoyed yeeeh yeeeh in every sentence. It was epic 😂😂😂.
@yogs112622 күн бұрын
Such a sensible guy please hire this kinda people as consultant for all infrastructure projects.....
@kamleshguptarocky80382 күн бұрын
Best interview
@mmlverma14369 күн бұрын
Thanks a ton; rivetting!
@apuwdm216 күн бұрын
Wonderful interview. Learned a lot of information about Mumbai's suburban train at a cogent and holistic level.
@ashokjangid00717 күн бұрын
Explained very well by Subodh Jain Sir great railway officer
@ruchiaggarwal220918 күн бұрын
Amazing. Just amazing. What a person! ❤️ An amazing and insightful podcast.
@aviralsingh715823 күн бұрын
Got one clear understanding from Sir's interview is that until we have govt running railways it will always be ram bharose except for trains like Vande Bharat & Rajdhani as they have Babus blessings. Railway is purely meant for socialist purposes. As he said IR has no interest in running suburban trains as they are heavily loss making and IR officials are reactive instead of being proactive given the job security
@shalabhkulshreshtha22 күн бұрын
Such a practical person @thanks Subhodh Jain and Jk super
@RahulIyer2418 күн бұрын
so interesting to hear about the history of suburban transport systems in mumbai.. brilliant!!
@Sans_OO55 күн бұрын
he has so much of knowledge and no doubt that mumbai local is excellent but I want him to take a positive stand on metro because thats are well safe and well equipped with ac so transportation is very good
@MegaAnushi23 күн бұрын
Interesting and detailed analysis of Mumbai local trains their growth and economic growth of the city is interlinked
@pavan.avasthi13 күн бұрын
Thanks sir ❤
@prasannask832017 күн бұрын
kolkatta suburban is 4 times the Mumbai suburban length but carries just 25% ridership of what mumbai suburban daily traffic.
@Banzybanz13 күн бұрын
Locals should have expanded long back. Still running on 2+2 tracks when it should be made 4+4 upto Kalyan and Virar.
@ShiviKrishna11 күн бұрын
Very informative podcast and really enjoyed Mr Jain’s jovial demeanour. Also thank him for some fantastic insights into the working of city’s lifeline and grateful for his service to it. However, I am disappointed that the host didn’t touch the topic of safety passengers traveling on locals. With approx 300 or more deaths due to accidents every year, it is imperative that passenger safety is addressed as the utmost priority. There is no harm in sacrificing frequency or average speed if locals can be made safer for its passengers. People dying falling off trains is pathetic and downright callous of authorities in this age.
@hareshwala764713 күн бұрын
👌Excellent 👍
@amitmohole638822 күн бұрын
This conversation could have been much enriching...there are lot of safety issues with local trains.. cleanliness is big issue..locals are not getting modernized on time...but interviewer seems to be interested only is scoring positive points..
@sanjayvithalkar333618 күн бұрын
What a lifeline really close to my heart. Although i m from Delhi
@ravit622317 күн бұрын
Bhai do 1 more session how local train manage 3 min gap i mean signalling kaise hota hai. 3 min means a train is there behind on same track and perhaps a train ahead. How they manage gap and running at 45-50kmphi need to understand.
@swatijain645223 күн бұрын
Very interesting and captivating information. Enjoyed this interview.
@shiva957519 күн бұрын
Harbour line not getting the respect it deserves. 1. All the old trains from central and western line gets dumped to harbour line. 2. No fast train or express trains in harbour. 3. Unnesserily many trains are going to Bandra/Goregaon from Vadala leaving very less trains for Panvel. 4. Navi Mumbai region of harbour line is much better than Thane Kalyan region of central line and also much better than Borivali Virar region of Western line but still harbour line is given lesat preference. 5. So less trains from Thane to Uran in harbour line. 6. Harbour line should be extended beyond Panvel (to Lonavala and Mangaon). 7. Express trains going towards Pune should be diverted at harbour line (CSMT - Panvel - Karjat - Lonavala - Pune) as the distance is less than ongoing route (CSMT - Kalyan - Karjat - Lonavala - Pune) and also this new route will connect Mumbai, Navi Mumbai, Panvel, Karjat, Lonavala and Pune in a much better way than the ongoing route. 8. Express trains going through Konkan region should also be sent via harbour line. 9. The elevated stations between Sandhurst Road and Cotton Green should be converted to normal level. 10. Harbour line needs to have more platforms at CSMT currently it's having only 2 platforms because of which all harbour trains are stopping between Masjid and CST for platform clearance. I hope CR makes the above mentioned changes as quickly as possible ❤❤
@subodhjain680919 күн бұрын
Most of your demands are logical and justified but there is no one to take it forward. CIDCO having sold most of the properties is not interested in infrastructure development anymore.
@saamirsyed426116 күн бұрын
Your suggestions are just sounding like Mumbai in a wonderland when you speak about making Sandhurst Road and Cotton Green stations at ground level. That was mainly done due to already having existing live lines running below and many important roads running below. Making it at ground level is next to impossible and will result in loss of an important heritage. Secondly you spoke about having more trains towards Panvel, while that already exists my dear friend. I stay in Goregaon and to travel from VT makes me wait for almost 25 to 30 minutes for the next train to arrive. While you have a train going towards Panvel very frequently from VT and Vadala Road stations. Trains towards the Western side are clearly not “unnecessary” as we need more east west connectivity in Mumbai
@sandeep1194ra10 күн бұрын
Also, you can not increase the platform on the Harbor line from CST to Kurla to Mankhurd, I guess, due to space constraints, so there is no question of express train running on Harbor.
@saamirsyed42619 күн бұрын
@@sandeep1194ra exactly you can never run express trains on Harbour line it should only be for suburban for maintaining punctuality of the locals and frequency can only be increased by upgrading the signaling system to the latest technology (CBTC)
@sandeep1194ra4 күн бұрын
@saamirsyed4261 yaa that's what if you need to make additional lines till CST either you need to make elevated line or you need to clear slums on one of the sides and looking at current situation clearing slums also cannot create additional lines as main road is very close to these lines so overall there is no viable option for making additional lines unless gov comes with very strict laws and which is also not possible due very unstable form of our government at present. Edit: also elevated line can come from mankhurd till wadala or so but not beyond till CST where will it go as CST is one of the UNESCO WHS so you cannot change the structure of it if at all you need then lots of paper work and clerance needs to be done. In short, Harbour cannot extend beyond present 2 lines atleast till wadala from CST
@abhi220822 күн бұрын
Best podcast ever consumed.
@giridharshetty277818 күн бұрын
Very good interview. Excellent.
@rishiiyer47017 күн бұрын
Brings up a lot of good points but should also have reflected on how some networks like Tokyo are vastly superior in terms of number of people carried, safety and speed. Tokyo suburban rail (not considering the metro / subway) is probably the best in the world, and we can do well to learn from them.
@scoc55vora154 күн бұрын
57:14 😂😂😂As simple as that
@SandeepKumarIaspaper17 күн бұрын
Mast show hai Need more infrastructure news and process
@niteshkedari48074 күн бұрын
Nice video sir
@sanjayjoglekar436217 күн бұрын
Is it possible to have a local train having both AC and Non AC coaches in one train so that all classes of passengers can travel at a time.
@shubhankartripathi133023 күн бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@hrushikeshauti181412 сағат бұрын
it was eeehhhh good podcast😅
@shubhankartripathi13308 күн бұрын
❤❤❤❤
@communityforgals23 күн бұрын
This podcast is so insightful!
@hotice319 күн бұрын
If you want to understand what is wrong with Mumbai Suburban and city planning, just look at the statement of this expert on Virar being the next important station after Borivali on the Mumbai western line. The population density between Borivali and Virar is much higher compared to that between Andheri and Borivali but this area simply does not get the required attention.
@akshaygonjari57428 күн бұрын
बॉम्बे नाही मुंबई बोला✌️🚩
@akshay229823 күн бұрын
Good knowledge thanks
@munnancs23 күн бұрын
मुंबई हमको जम गई , भई वाह, क्या interview लिया , exceptional !
@newbie805114 күн бұрын
55:00 its not like metro and railway has to compete End user will only choose one over the other because of convenience, be it for a college going student or a young graduate going to Andheri / Saki Naka for his job or a fisherman travelling to Dadar Metro lines are an alternative
@sufyanabuzar23 күн бұрын
What an insightful episode
@anupvadnere595021 күн бұрын
Nice interview, and local trains service outstanding now need Palghar to CR local connection
@shiva957519 күн бұрын
Change train at Dadar
@jitendrakharva43722 күн бұрын
KY INDIAN RAILWAY LHB COACHES OR ICF COACHES KO BHI MEMU TRAIN SET ME CHANGE KAR SAKTI HE ? AGAR HA TO IR KE MULTIPLE PROBLEM SOLVE HO SAKTE HE
@gautammulay955922 күн бұрын
Invite people like ashwini bhide MD of MMRCL when talking about mumbai because IR babaus never want to improve services or introduce any changes AC locals are so popular nowdays they are filled but still IR is in denial to improve AC service and resuce fare
@newbie805114 күн бұрын
One more thing that sucks is that amount of automated booking counters These are not well marked, often low in number Usually put in one part of the station Instead more of these machines should be put on stations and put near every entry exit point, even parking spaces
@avsvss366020 күн бұрын
26:46 48 kmph is nothing to be proud off! 26:54 & 1:02:20 I don't think these claims for Metro and suburban speed is correct. The average speed of Metro is 80 kmph worldwide. However, I have personally noticed that local trains and at least some Tier 2 Metros in India run much slower than e.g. London or Paris. If we talk of new Suburban rail/Airport Express/RRTS then we can reach 160 kmph.
@nandukumar18265 күн бұрын
Sir. Why did u allow the slums around tracks
@ravichoudhari266613 күн бұрын
I would like to interact with the person who is giving information in this pot cast.
@ramkumarvarma502123 күн бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
@WorkWizdom22 күн бұрын
Mumbai trains seriously need to have a overhaul
@avsvss366020 күн бұрын
The "lifeline of Mumbai" takes many peoples... "life"... every year. 🙃
@giridharshetty277818 күн бұрын
I know many people who take the journey daily even after retirement.
@HISXLNC0119 күн бұрын
The first motor cars didn't start being sold in 1905 as the man said, but rather 20 years ago in 1886.
@subodhjain680919 күн бұрын
Maybe you are right
@HISXLNC0119 күн бұрын
@@subodhjain6809 Nevertheless, amazing walk the talk through history. 🙏🏼
@manishbisht632717 күн бұрын
Nothing can complete with Mumbai Local
@avijit009mitra15 күн бұрын
Yeee OP
@ak-kl4nz6 күн бұрын
Missed contribution of Nana Shankar Sheth in development of Mumbai
@subodhjain68096 күн бұрын
Agreed
@ramkumarvarma502123 күн бұрын
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@TheVenky0919 күн бұрын
Suburban railway system is very good, but speed over safety is a priority. Many people do still lost their life during commuting which is unacceptable in 2024.
@gurusaran189212 күн бұрын
ehhh ? 😂. I ended up nodding to every point after listening to it.
@sohelansari758611 күн бұрын
Sir central line ke karjat khopoli ke local trains ki badao sir
@aalokaalok5 күн бұрын
Sir forgot to add - 1. Group of 4 uncles would play rummy by using briefcase as a table. Settle the account at the end of month. 2. Girls sell various kind of ornaments, accessories. A hot humid local train journey made enjoyable but adding value by these ways. Not to forget, maximum fights happen ladies compartment only. Haha Irony is ladies prefer travelling in gents compartment. Instead of ladies. This is another feminine mystery.
@info-tech201718 күн бұрын
Nice info
@GopalRoy-nn6ft16 күн бұрын
Poor maan still choose local... I am worried about safely in peak hours
@ramkumarvarma502123 күн бұрын
जेके सुपर
@mzanpure3 күн бұрын
Metro runs every 3 minutes. It has stops every 1 km. You cannot compare fast Local that doesn’t stop at most stations with metro that stops every km. Metro is more convenient than Local any day.
@newbie805114 күн бұрын
26:00 Bro even Mumbai has similar levels of pollution as Delhi We are just lucky to have the sea by our side Railway is very lethargic and bureaucratic in nature, bitches couldn't even start proper rail services to Uran in like 15years after the new airport was conceived.
@combinedstudy642719 күн бұрын
Mumbai is having about 437 sq.km. area and a population about 12.5 million and floating population of about 5 million. मुंबई लोकल में हर दिन बाहर से आनेवाले और अंदर रहने वाले लोग बहोत ज्यादा है। नई जगह पे सब इंडस्ट्री होनी चाहिए।
@udaybpawar6 күн бұрын
Har Sunday mega block lene ke baad bhi central railway ki locals kyon time pe nahi chalti? Hum apne aap ko top 5 countries ke ginte gai. To hum chodke baki 4 countries me bhi aise hi har Sunday me mega block liya jaata hai? Un countries me train late nahi chalti, par hmare yaha locals 15 to 30 min late chalti hai. 15 saal pahale central locals 5-6 min ke gap se chalti thi Aaj bhi voh 5 min ke gap se chalti hei. Ye time 3 min Tak kya Kam nahi ho sakta hai. Jab kuch bhi kahi problem hota hai, to train cancel kar di jaati hai, ye nahi hota ki jaha Tak jakar vapas aa sakti hai vaha to train chalani chahiye?
@amanbansal118922 күн бұрын
Best line " Lekin shear Jo hai kitabo pr nhi chalta "
@satyam152919 күн бұрын
You didn't ask question on Video Coach of Mumbai Local.
@hotice319 күн бұрын
If you want to find out where this gentleman’s theory fails, just visit Hong Kong and check how the MTR has completely eliminated any thought for any suburban service. Hong Kong MTR average trip length is 11.2 kms