Who can Draft a pitching staff with the lowest ERA? (NL East Edition)

[@the51geese38]

Where is the luc cam??

[@lucasdaversa795]

We had technical difficulties and lost the footage unfortunately. It will be back!

[@qwuzzy]

@@lucasdaversa795 Thank you, LucasDaversa795.

[@spartacus778]

@@lucasdaversa795 can't wait

[@the51geese38]

@@lucasdaversa795 can’t wait

[@Whitsoxrule1]

@@lucasdaversa795 any chance you can share the Excel formula for your tiebreaker metric? I'm a nerd who plays along at home and my ERA+IP were both within 1% of Ryan's, I'd love to know if I beat him or not

[@nickhussong645]

Did Ryan's haircut somehow cost us the Lucas Cam?

[@slimjimmypage]

The rule someone suggested in the comments of making the person who misses a year/player miss their turn and then get their makeup at the end of the draft is good. As it stands someone going first -could- have name 2023 deGrom, 2023 Scherzer, 2004 Halladay, etc. and had all those players DSQ'd before taking their "real" first pick. Nobody is doing that because it'd be bad for the content, but it seems like a good rule to make it more competitive/high-stakes for entertainment value too.

[@BraedenKerr]

Another good/fun answer I'm surprised no one mentioned, friend of the company Peter Moylan in 2007. 90 IP in relief with a 1.80 ERA

[@zerg539]

Yeah I was hoping someone would bring up Peter's good year and he would have been better than almost all of the relief picks.

[@christophersuto3263]

wow, the disrespect to not take him.

[@sgstoner]

Same with Jerry Blevins 2016 or 2017

[@DIBYgaming]

Did anyone pick Eric o flaherty?

[@zerg539]

@@DIBYgaming yes, though nobody grabbed Venters for the full O'Ventbrel combo.

[@Lineman72T]

The Eric O'Flaherty pull is wild

[@chaimmeirzaner6383]

Was hoping someone would take him or johnny venters. That 2011 bullpen on the braves was crazy

[@DIBYgaming]

I had it but my guess was 2012

[@lebronakon2324]

Loved shelfy missing a bunch of names 😂 might be worth adding 3 strike rule on the flushes

[@RyanVanVleet]

Or you skip your pick and just make it up at the end of the

[@colebenge384]

@@RyanVanVleeti had the same idea

[@lebronakon2324]

@@RyanVanVleet aye i used to watch twfs

[@MichaelBeveraggi]

Pedro in 05, Matt Harvey in 13’ & 15, Scherzer 22’ were some other great Mets SP seasons that came to mind outside of what you guys came up with.

[@AdamEH42]

Shelfy’s face on hearing about the 1.01 ERA is classic.

[@lsyyc999]

Draft idea: 2020 edition for all divisions

[@spencerrobb4645]

These draft videos are revolutionary and I love every series that has been created

[@thecarrotmaster7073]

lowkey surprised that john smoltz wasn't taken - either as a reliever or as a starter

[@hussassain2745]

03 smoltz kept popping up in my mind for some reason but I had no idea if it was as a great year as a starter or reliever, turns out it was the latter but I do wonder if they have to disclose they're selecting a SP or RP

[@bodavis4545]

So happy O’Ventbrel was recognized in this

[@reidpleasants5044]

2012 Kris Medlen wouldve made me so happy but I knew no one would pick it

[@davidbaer2906]

I was thinking the same thing

[@Roysorb]

I was wondering if he'd be a reliever or not

[@reidpleasants5044]

@@Roysorb I was kind of wondering that too but he started so much at the end of the season I doubt Lucas would let that slide lol

[@reidpleasants5044]

@@davidbaer2906 1.57 ERA in like 130 innings with only 12 starts. Would’ve been an interesting pick

[@asdfaeou]

Shelfy having a breakdown, then being fine was art.

[@ezrakoppel555]

Ryan’s haircut in this draft was the only way I was able to recognize him on the Citi Field Jumbotron tonight jamming out to the Backstreet Boys

[@jenek9344]

leaving that 2018 nola year on the board for the phillies is rough

[@4everinpanama]

Came here to say this

[@heartlady724]

yeah that was the one i was thinking of. it's definitely come up in a sporcle also so like. they have thought about it somewhat recently

[@crimson6663]

Making an explosion noise and saying “kill the ERA” after mentioning Fernandez is DIRTY work

[@timothybrown5999]

Picking a guy with the wrong year should not get a second pick. They simply have to pass until their next turn.

[@SwiftOnSports]

Did Shelfy just inadvertently flush like 5 players in this video? 🤣

[@chrishenderson4443]

The fact that none of these guys said Cliff Lee makes me feel old.

[@randomdudez00]

yeah was waiting for him to be picked the whole time lmfao

[@johnlovingood8588]

A reliever/closer draft could be the started draft flipped, 5 closers, 3 relievers. The stats might be a bit mixed, but either all 3 (Saves+Innings+ERA for each player) or the "Closer's" are saves and ERA and slotted into the Closer position when drafted, and the three relievers are innings and ERA, so it's like a strong bullpen that eats innings and closes close games.

[@dfp_01]

Saves for closers and holds for middle relievers

[@TheTEN24]

Jolly not picking Diaz and degrom his first two picks was wild ngl. Ryan is a beast but that one jolly pull was gross

[@Rak9-j8h]

I'm confused about the use of the "metric". ERA is 9 * RA / IP. The metric they used was actually 100 * ERA / IP, so it ends up being 900 * RA / (IP ^2). Why not just calculate total ERA based on the total runs allowed and total innings pitched? It's an ERA draft.

[@marimbaguy715]

Because they want to reward innings eaters. If you just calculate total ERA, a bunch of 100 IP 2.0 ERA guys beats a bunch of 250 IP 2.2 ERA guys. I'm not gonna comment on if ERA/IP is the right metric but there's a good reason to not just use total ERA.

[@welcomebackpotter722]

emmanuel clase 2024 is gonna be an incredible pull for the ERA draft

[@devintimmerberg3622]

Shelfy should bot get to just sink 4 great answers in a row, if you get a player wrong, you should get skipped

[@cats8herface27]

This trio slaps

[@ryanpotter1186]

Jolly dressed like the rock in his prime in that intro is heat

[@nicklwells]

jolly shouting out the braves old 3 headed monster in the bullpen from back in the day made me so happy lol

[@sgstoner]

2005 Dontrelle Willis!

[@jonathanterrell4506]

Loved the O’Flaherty pull as a Braves fan. Was hoping someone took one of Smoltz’s reliever years or 2019 Mike Soroka.

[@michaelhart8866]

They should do a draft where it’s three of them versus Lucas

[@michaelhart8866]

Can be any stat, whichever they decide

[@prestonjones20013]

I’ve said this for a long time. Jose Fernandez’s death changed the entire course of the Marlins franchise. He was a generational talent on the Mound and likely would’ve won a CY in his career. Just for reference, he would be ONLY 32 THIS SEASON. At the time of his death, he had a minuscule 2.58 ERA and a massive 150 ERA+. If he doesn’t die, I’m not certain that the Marlins blow up their core of Stanton, Yelich, and Ozuna. Maybe Yelich breaks out as MVP while on the Marlins. So much of it just changes

[@toddwooster]

There has to be a stiffer penalty for guessing a player not on the team that year...

[@ohtengeneral5704]

I think ERA/IP is a pretty fair metric to go by. It's an elegant equation to represent the actuallity of those innings pitched. There are a lot more innings in a season than can be represented here so there's the question of what happens in those. Knowing that more innings actually go well rather than leaving them up to likely worse pitchers is valuable for 8 players taking roster slots.

[@puckyboy7956]

It’s confusing because ERA is already a by-the-inning metric. I think you should be going for lowest ERA overall and only count innings if it’s a tie

[@EpicGamer14_]

Shelfy just named guys with awesome seasons that he couldn’t take just to block Jolly and Ryan.

[@peterharris6409]

Not only does it always come back to the Dads but it always specifically comes back to Will Meyers. Lmao

[@Robertstevens11567]

Does feel like more of an innings draft…

[@VivaRevolucionDGS]

The Eric O'Flaherty pull from Jolly was seriously impressive.

[@prestonjones20013]

Some really great seasons not even mentioned. Matt Harvey 2013, Jordan Zimmerman 2014, Henderson Alvarez 2014, Tanner Roark 2016, Greg Maddux 2002, John Smoltz 2003, Julio Teheran 2014, Mike Foltynewicz 2018, Mike Soroka 2019, and maybe the biggest whiff in the whole draft… Aaron Nola 2018 with his 2.37 ERA over 212.1 IP.

[@briancruice4219]

The metric should be a weighted average for ERA. And you should add a penalty ERA (maybe 4) to make up the difference in innings. So when calculating the weighted average ERA, Jolly would get a phantom extra pitcher with an ERA of 4 pitching the difference in inning totals.

[@sethwoodhouse4797]

Off the top of my head 2018 Degrom 2016 Scherzer 2022 Alcantara 2000 Maddux (Underrated year!) 2021 Wheeler 2022 Diaz 2023 Iglesias 2008 Lidge 2.48 over 1,323 innings

[@spartacus778]

Gio Gonzalez was nasty for a few years on my Nats, glad he is remembered

[@systemfan3]

I'll never be mad about how they decide the winner. In Lucas we trust!

[@Saucymist]

needed 2012 kris medlen to get a mention

[@itsjustbennn]

There should be a rule that exempts a player (e.g. shelfy) from having a turn or losing a turn when they remove 2 or more eligible answers from the other players. In this case it was Aaron Loup and Johan Santana. Shelfy would still have to fill out his board but would make his turn later on making it in some way a penalty for the individual rather than it being a whole group penalty.

[@evanjones8949]

We need this group in more videos

[@reed5369]

thank you jolly olive for the eric o'flaherty pull. i was hoping so badly for it

[@kenSpiffyJr.]

Thanks.

[@illusionSquared]

Solution to the "metric" problem: calculate "runs prevented above average". Assume an average pitcher has an ERA of 4.50. The calculation for each pick is just (4.5 * IP) - ER, so you know how many runs each pitcher saved compared to an "average" pitcher if they threw all of the same innings.

[@pathindsley]

I think the metric is fine. Blake Snell has won two Cy Young awards because his teams are built to compensate for the lighter load. A good rotation won’t win with a bad bullpen. A good bullpen will keep a game your starters lost in reach (maybe).

[@sethshort8686]

Fun draft, Maddux in the early 2000s for the Braves was a miss, especially with Shelfy going with Glavine over him. Closer John Smoltz in 2003 would have been a good get. Cliff Lee, Matt Harvey come to mind as well.

[@ryanpotter1186]

for future reference, even though its a silly stat, i think combining a saves draft with a wins draft would be great

[@colebenge384]

there needs to be a rule for if you say a player wrong and take them off the board so 4 misses in a row dont take away so many options for everyone else maybe just that their turn gets skipped and then they get to circle back at the end to pick another player

[@reed5369]

love the jair jurrgens pick by ryan, too bad he missed the yr

[@darkshadow8886]

Missed out on 2003 reliever John Smoltz

[@Roysorb]

2002 Chris Hammond would be my deep pick

[@wallberlin]

Ryan, I was at the game from your shirt. Rain delay and all

[@TheJssr2]

I think they should have a penalty for getting a wrong year. Like they have to take a player from 2020.

[@SportsCasters2326]

Since 2000 sucks. If you know someone before that you should Be able to pick them

[@Ben_Levin16]

how about your co-worker Peter Moylan, 2007, 90 Innings pitched with a 1.80 ERA

[@michaelcahill4534]

Was waiting for Jolly to pull out 2016 Addison Reed. 1.97 ERA over 77.2 innings

[@caydenpetrarca6265]

Was hopping for 03 smoltz reliever year

[@awillis968]

Love shelfy's shirt shoutout OBX

[@wallberlin]

How about a Wins and Saves draft, doing it like this as a "full" staff?

[@peterharris6409]

Love u guys

[@wolfpackjew]

I'm confused by the metric. Is the ERA score at the end the average of each individual pitcher's ERA, or is it all pitchers combined earned runs over combined innings pitched times 9? If it's the latter, then innings pitched are already accounted for in the calculation.

[@LushPlea]

Good job fellas

[@nathanmoore4712]

Kept waiting for 2013 Matt Harvey

[@robertphillips4617]

Y’all should do a wins + saves draft. Wins are a dumb stat, but they’re easily countable, and you really could win or lose in the bullpen just like real life sweat😅

[@courtneyconaway3091]

2002 Chris Hammond had 0.95 as a reliever over 72 innings

[@M.S_24]

You can tell Shelfy didn't cheat in this one of these because he missed a bunch, as people usually do. Its so obvious when he nails a bunch perfectly in one video.

[@bennettbrown2000]

Can y’all do the AL West for one of these?

[@hussassain2745]

For a Braves fan who started watching the team in 09, please do me a favor and look at that Javier Vazquez season

[@9Rollotomasi]

my reliever pick is O'Ventbrel 2012

[@harrisonbaylor1432]

I wonder if there is a scenario where it would be best to take a position player like Rowdy Tellez who has a 0.00 era but only 1 inning pitched.

[@dfp_01]

It doesn't affect the overall ERA much to do that, and they're rewarding higher innings totals, so that would be pretty detrimental

[@waynenewberry6133]

I get we're deep into the ERA drafts, but how are we not taking their pick's earned runs divided by innings pitched as their totals?

[@dfp_01]

That's just a step away from total ERA, which they're specifically not doing because you could theoretically load your roster with guys who pitched very little and happened to not give up many runs in those few innings.

[@branniganzapp5410]

Shelfy where did you get that hat? Love it

[@SuperLotrfreak]

This is the best Trio

[@Redsox4444443]

I’m sad non of you said one of the Smoltz reliever seasons… 2002 was nuts.

[@Redsox4444443]

Actually i would have gotten burned, 2002 is his 55 saves, his god tier era is 2003.

[@alexcorigliano5284]

Wouldn’t it make more sense to do earned runs and innings?

[@jbb98]

Wouldn't oflaherty make the final cut with like a sub 1 and 70 something innings over storen?

[@biged263835]

You can make a case that Chris Sale right now is the best Braves answer even in an active season (2.35/180IP). I dont think theres a rule against drafting active players?

[@atigersgrin]

I was thinking the same thing, but this could have been filmed weeks or months earlier.

[@Blakelyboy21392]

Shelfy also said the most names.

[@baileysmith4744]

just make the inning rule an accumulative minimum of 1100 innings to win it, the lowest total ERA you can get

[@jakehobby3477]

Strider last year

[@Jousky22]

I feel old that Dontrelle Willis wasn't taken.

[@josephronda259]

For some reason I was thinking of 2012 Kris Medlen

[@IdoEditz00]

No one even thinking about Maddux’s mid 90’s years is CRAZY

[@sportsfan4646]

The default is since year 2000 since their young guys with a young audience. Sometimes they do all time drafts.

[@IdoEditz00]

@@sportsfan4646 oh ok

[@brianmcgill4417]

Can someone let Ryan know Greg Maddux was still available and pitched for the Padres?

[@DrewB2400]

I feel like something is wrong with the metric if the worst ERA is winning an "ERA Draft" 😂

[@lanceblough5195]

2018 Seth Lugo. 2.70 in 78 innings

[@Whitsoxrule1]

Any other nerds play along at home to see how they compare? I ended up basically tied with Ryan for 2nd. I acted as if I had last pick, getting the wraparound pair instead of Ryan. So after he said his first pick I'd pause the vid and make my two selections, then the second pick of his pair came after my two picks. 4th pick: MIA Sandy Alcantara 2022, 2.28 ERA in 228.2 IP 5th pick: WSN Patrick Corbin 2019... 3.25 ERA in 202.0 IP 12th pick: ATL Max Fried 2022.......... 2.48 ERA in 185.1 IP 13th pick: PHI Cole Hamels 2008..... 3.09 ERA in 227.1 IP 20th pick: ATL Tyler Matzek 2021.... 2.57 ERA in 63.0 IP 21st pick: WSN Sean Doolittle 2018, 1.60 ERA in 45.0 IP 28th pick: MIA Richard Bleier 2021.. 2.95 ERA in 58.0 IP (entirely because of the Baseball Bits about him, but his ERA was not as good as I hoped) 29th pick: NYM Steven Matz 2018... 3.97 ERA in 154.0 IP I couldn't pick anyone already taken, but obviously these three have no idea who I am taking so there are a couple guys I picked who they also took later on. I ended with a 2.89 ERA in 1163.1 IP, Ryan's ERA was 0.03 better than mine but with 5 fewer IP. I'd need to know Lucas's metric to know for sure (any chance his formula can be posted in the comments/description for nerds like me?) but I'm pretty sure Ryan barely beats me. The Mets SP pick screwed me. I tried to take 2014 Matt Harvey early on, but he missed that entire season from Tommy John so I had to take him off my board and went for Fried instead. I was planning on taking 2018 NYM Zach Wheeler in the later rounds, but Jolly sniped him with 2022 PHI in the 2nd to last round and I couldn't come up with another good Met. I can't believe I forgot about Senga!! If I had 2013/2015 Harvey or 2023 Senga, I easily beat Ryan, but I don't think I was catching Shelfy. Still pretty proud of myself because I am NOT an NL East head AT ALL.

[@funingham]

Over 97mph draft would be good

[@reed5369]

not a lot of innings but kris medlen 2012 1.57 ERA

[@razdower]

Guys, hey guys... John Smoltz 2003. Monster as a closer

[@noscodyperformance]

Surprised no cliff lee was taken

[@famouskev5589]

Ryan might be top 5

[@starwarsguy3131]

You should do team wins for a season.

[@DubCmusicTV]

I would have grabbed Corbin 2019

[@kicking222]

There REALLY needs to be some sort of penalty for guessing an ineligible player.