Time for the Blue Jays to blow it up and trade everyone? | Baseball Today

[@garywordman]

Tell the homie Dan that the new graphics package from the last ep is good. I dig it.

[@Ksklshbrl]

😂🫴

[@automaton3889]

As a Jays fan I think they'll have to blow it up and start over - and the key area for that is with the front office. They've built a farm system and a situation that NO free agents want to be a part of because the free agents have no faith in the team. That type of change has to happen from the top through to the bottom. New front office is a requirement... and a strong farm system. Trade all the pieces and start building for the next run.

[@vojtechnovacek7776]

Nonsense, they had a ton of free agents sign with them - Springer, Gausman, Bassitt, Yariel, Green, Garcia, Clement, Lukes

[@automaton3889]

@@vojtechnovacek7776 I'm talking current season. Past signing aren't going to improve the team for next year.

[@MrHockeyboy2000]

Yes i think thats the main thing. Why would a player choose to sign in Toronto vs an actual contender. Our team is mid at best, our farm system is bottom 10. We haven't even shown commitment to signing OUR OWN PLAYERS let alone free agents. so frustrating

[@eshep71]

When it was up to the biggest FA ever to sign, Vlad was coming off of two increasingly bad seasons. If Ohtani was looking at Vlad coming off of 3 consecutive 160ops+ seasons, he may have been more tempted to join here. Instead, he followed 160 with 135 then 116. We can't pretend that prior to the deadline, most Jays fans weren't wondering when Vlad was finally going to show up.

[@eshep71]

​@@vojtechnovacek7776Ray, Belt, Semien, Ryu, Berrios extended.. they've done plenty in 5 years alone lol

[@ac-zn9lu]

Blue Jays need to blow it up. Going for it now would set the franchise back years. Unless they drastically improve in '25 (which I don't think is going to happen), I wouldn't be surprised to see Vlad Jr., Bichette, Bassitt, Gausman, Kirk, possibly Manoah, and maybe even Berrios all wearing different uniforms by the end of the season.

[@choocharoo]

Every Jays fan is completely confused. We are all screaming for change and its not happening. The core of this is Rogers and corporate ownership. I dont see Rogers dumping shatkins cause they still make money for them. The Jays fanbase want a passionate FO and ownership that just wants to win...and we DONT have that. Its gonna be dark times and i think they are looking at 10 years of losing baseball and empty seats.

[@jeremyrhansen6637]

We need to offer Alex Anthopoulos 1 billion for 10 years to come back!

[@VegeMaticPragtarian]

Reds fan here: feeling the same way, Rosie. Don’t really understand what the reds are doing right now. I’m hoping they have a big FA signing and one more trade in them, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they do nothing else. Boy that’d be disappointing

[@refusetolose05]

The Reds need Santander. It would make the team a lot more complete.

[@VegeMaticPragtarian]

@ I do think he’d be a good fit. Even if he is more HR centric than OBP centric, it’d help the team out a lot

[@refusetolose05]

@@VegeMaticPragtarian i think it's a better play than Profar or anything in the minors atm. He'd add stability to the middle of that lineup.

[@refusetolose05]

@VegeMaticPragtarian Reds did just get Lux. That helps a lot offensively.

[@VegeMaticPragtarian]

@@refusetolose05 have to admit I’m confused by the move a little. But I’m not mad about it

[@stephenellsworth964]

Rose, I am a Jays fan. And you are probably right. But the danger of trading a guy like Vladdy Jr. Is that they might damage any credibility to recruit any future Free Agents to sign with Toronto.

[@AlwayzFresh]

Jays fan here, that is why this franchise is 100% ffckd short and long term no matter what happens next. Damage is already done, fallout is starting now.

[@samdandy3907]

Chris Roses is genuinely hilarious whether he trying to or not

[@brandondillman5841]

The O's are just buying time until they get Bradish back. He's a legit Ace. Top 10-15 starter in baseball.

[@ren1818ren]

Best show on Jomboy! 🎉

[@jasonthemagnificent2.0]

Happy New Year

[@alexanderday534]

Thanks!

[@penguinfan774]

I’m hoping Rosey is giving the jays a reverse jinx. Now that he’s off the bandwagon we can take off lol

[@zachrowe5742]

In regards to the Dodgers defensive replacements. It's really easy. Bring Miggy in to play shortstop and then double switch Mookie with Teo. Chris Taylor was brought in for him as a defensive replacement a lot last year.

[@77Cardinal]

That's actually pretty interesting.

[@BringsTheSnow]

As an Os fan, I am hoping they still have another trade or signing in them (pitcher or another bat)! One of the other podcasters I listen to made the point that signing pitching depth opens them up to trade away a pitcher/pitching prospect without worrying as much. I would be really upset if they trade Cowser though.

[@CorndogChats]

Audio version never dropped on my podcast app.

[@ramen_noodles4305]

Best roster since 2022 Dodgers

[@TheTEN24]

That Trev Al central rant can be applied to 95% of the American League

[@acelm8437]

That's 14/15 teams

[@gregorykrupp7197]

2018 Red Sox. 108 wins. You know the roster.

[@mrod6493]

First time long time: I’ll take Arraez, he’s gonna fill in some of the void Juan Soto left, especially the great AB’s

[@rickyhayes1600]

Pool guys and gardeners in cahoots got me

[@COMMONsenseAdvocate86]

As a Dodgers fan who has watched MANY MANY "potential all-stars", burn through the minors quickly, then spend a few years like a yo-yo. Gavin Lux still hasn't really been able to show everything he has through a fully healthy season. But damn he remains me of a past prospect named Blake DeWitt. He had seemingly just as much hype if not more. Yet he was caught in the same cycle as Lux; hot and cold play, injuries galore ect. If they were able to get the players they would desire. Then they should just do it. They could end up waiting forever for potential. Gotta pill the trigger

[@soundwaveca]

Rose summed up the Jays perfectly "They're Fucked".

[@77Cardinal]

The Jays blowing up might great for a couple of AL East teams but for Toronto the real question is 'what the hell is your plan?".

[@Skizzzoyyy]

The plan is to blow it up so we can load up for the future because what we are currently doing isn't working and no big name free agents want to sign here. We could get an absolute haul for Bo and Vladdy to jumpstart the rebuild. But I think we need a new GM first and foremost.

[@Willtaco4]

Baseball today isn’t on Spotify anymore?

[@ShelleyPolarbelle]

It looked to me like the Jays in the last half of the season, saw that they weren’t going to be in postseason play so they traded off some really good players, (presumably since they were in their 30’s and knowing Keirmeyer was going to retire at the end of the season), just did a 180 and decided to strip the team. If they really want to get anywhere, they have to trade Bichette, but he was out for a long time with a couple injuries so he might not be as hot a trade as he would have. They have to keep Vladdy as the face and pulse of the team. And springer. He makes things happen. Where Springer goes, the team follows. If he’s on a hot streak, they fire up. And that, my friends, is my arm chair coach opinion. Mookie is better at 2B than SS but he is also a dedicated hard worker. He can do it but I do like MiggyRo at short. His arm is so strong. I like him at 3B too and put Muncy at 2nd. Muncy was a killer fielder at 2nd. But what I really came to say about this is they announced Mookie as the starting SS and that statement actually meant Lux would be gone. They were hoping to bring his value up but when they announced that, I knew Lux was leaving. Come to spring training in Phx!!!! That would be pretty cool.

[@matthew1452]

As a mariners fan.. a trade with the orioles makes a ton of sense for both sides. Get us some MLB level bats (mayo?) for Castillo. We can replenish Orioles farm by attaching prospects if needed also. Wish we’d make a deal. We could both get so much better with a deal or two. Depending how they value Kirby, I’d even be willing to trade Kirby for a very big package including Mayo + Bastillo or others. We’re not extending or keeping Kirby and getting some MLB level top young guys who are cheap would be so beneficial for us. Let’s pray

[@Zo3yX]

21:08 imagine if they also had seager still.

[@ChaseHadden]

Chris, I am so happy to hear how you said it: The Blue Jays are fucked! For the last two seasons, they've had too many guys on the roster that are the same; bench players. You cannot have bench type guys trying to play every day. And they cannot afford to blow it all up. They sunk so much money in the renovation, that it'll take them two decades to recoup if they blow it up. I have said this numerous times, there is no reason why Toronto cannot be similar to the Dodgers and Yankees. Spend the money when needed, and draft and develop. But they've failed to do either one. They're nickel and diming their best home grown player in Vladdy since Carlos Delgado. Yes, they've made attempts at Shohei and Soto, but failed to pivot off them to find someone else. If they fail to bring in at least three guys for this season, then they have got to finally say adios to Ross. And if Vladdy is not re-signed, you will see the return of 10,000 or less in the seats like 2007-2011. Rogers needs to pony up or sell this franchise because clearly they value Maple Leaf Sports (MLSE) more now than the Blue Jays (Rogers just became majority holder of the Maple Leafs and Raptors).

[@emophase2224]

Rose, man. You look great. Not just great for your age. Stay positive, man. No need to feel bad about your body. The body is a vessel for your consciousness, so whatever. If it's good, it's good. If it's not who cares, do your best to stay healthy and be grateful for all the beautiful sensations we feel

[@3brownn3]

I don’t get why the Padres organize the infield the way they do. Now especially, if you want someone else to get a day at DH and Arraez in the field, put him at first and Cronenworth at second. He’s a much better defender there. No idea why they always put him a first and Arraez at second.

[@asdfaeou]

Rose doesn't throw "pathetic" out there too often to describe player performances.

[@chrisweidner4768]

Thought it already was. Ha ha he he ho ho. Wishing everybody the best. Except when you play the Cardinals.😁 Yankees need to put Jazz at 2b, and sign Arenado. Please.

[@Zo3yX]

Bradie with the ie is such a cute name for her.

[@gadiordonez8802]

Guarantee they are working on some type of shortstop deal but saying mookie is shortstop cause it’s much each easier to move from short to second then second to short. And they give him a ton of time for him to get use to position. Mookie is not going to outfield unless it’s playoff time or needs time to get ready for playoffs. Mookie had a hip injury in early dodger years and don’t want to wear him out.

[@kylevanhouten4560]

I give credit to the Rays for making the 2020 World Series but it’s sad how irrelevant the Marlins are

[@Blackwingdesigns]

As a Rays fan it baffles me how some franchise are poorly run. I thought the blue jays would have a core that would be good for a decade plus

[@sportsshenanigans9396]

The Yankees need Xavier Edward’s from the Marlins, go make the trade Cashman. Flip them Pereira and Stroman for Edward’s.

[@gregorysgetaway6168]

Y'all a coupla gooners. Arraez is GOAT.

[@christopherclayton7345]

Trev writing a check already in the new year? I didn't realize he was such a boomer 😂

[@DeferredCollusion]

Knocblauch walked a ton. If arraez walked more it would be a good comp.

[@davidhooper1610]

They should have traded Bo last off season and Vlad at the deadline last season

[@Tom-hc5iv]

Yep...when you are bad in the division and no farm...it's time

[@DeferredCollusion]

This episode didn’t age well on the Lux front

[@MrHockeyboy2000]

26:11 jays fans dont know either

[@DankBombCroosh]

Dodger fans love Dylan Cease. Look what he did in the playoffs for us against the Dodgers. Of course, Trevor wants the Padres to keep him

[@hectorcastle1187]

I think the fact that the Dodgers played so well against Dylan is part of the reason why the Padres want to trade him. If we see him in the playoffs again, the confidence will be through the roof.

[@crazylegs1823]

I always wonder why the Dodgers are abbreviated "LAD"... Why isn't it just LA? I mean the Padres aren't SDP...

[@salineaddict9850]

Because there is more than one team from the city of LA… Yankees are called NY for a reason. Too many teams there too

[@Chinchuchwei_sr]

@@salineaddict9850angels aren’t from LA though. Their dumbass owner just keeps that name for marketing reasons even though both dodger and Angels fans wish they didn’t hold that name.

[@RS7Wes]

As a Central Floridian most everyone I know from here is a Braves fan. The Florida teams are embarrassing

[@n1ghtt295]

Cleveland brought Carlos Santana back too 👀

[@masonbingham2544]

Jays getting a Wild card spot this year

[@justinnoceda2115]

Hell no

[@salineaddict9850]

Blue Jays peaked in 2022. They were never a good baseball team. A few guys had good seasons and carried them. Manoah was outperforming expected stats and Gausman was a Cy Young candidate. Blue Jays got swept by the Mariners in the post season. That should tell you everything about that franchise.

[@dougmazing]

As Jay's fan it is front office fault that there in the mess they are in they dont have any idea how to run a baseball team look at what they did in Cleveland amd now there doing the same thing here

[@masonbingham2544]

2025 dodgers best roster since the 2018 Red Sox

[@calebayton9073]

I really don't want Arraez for the Yankees, if they're going to live with bad 2b defence then i would rather just signed Gleyber to the qualifying offer

[@jtrades2134]

Rose, you are a great looking old man. Now that you got the compliment you were fishing for. Can you reach out to the dbacks to ask about trading for a young 1st baseman for the future? Thank you

[@scottcampbell9515]

The Reds have not spent any money in FA either. Bringing Nick Martinez back does not count.

[@shaneturner1809]

Please Fire Ross Atkins Signed, Bluejay fans

[@alexthegod2]

Kim may never hit at the MLB level. Look at the KBO leaders and you will find guys like Matt Davidson who struggled at the MLB level but put up triple crown numbers in the KBO. Kim will start out in the minors and may never break through as a starter. Zero chance they hand him a starting job. The Dodgers dont want Rojas playing every day. He will platoon with Lux at 2B and fill in at SS and 3B when guys need an off day. All the Dodgers bench guys get significant ABs, There are only so many to go around. Kim is going to have to take those ABs away from guys like Rojas/Lux/Taylor/Pages. The Dodgers already have multiple guys that can play 2B/SS/3B so again he's going to have to leapfrog someone ahead of him. There is no reason to make a trade to accommodate Kim until he forces them to make a trade.

[@ryanamaggio187]

Trevor what the hell is desirable about Miami? the food is terrible and unless you have money the place sucks.

[@TheTraderGuy]

You mean they haven't already blown it up?

[@kiefdemon1979]

Im not a Yankees fan, in fact, im a huge hater. But I don't understand why they won't put Jazz back on 2nd, his natural position, especially considering how bad he is at 3rd

[@ayydubs987]

the dodgers front office needs to stop getting cute with the whole mookie at SS thing. now that lux is gone, put mookie back at 2B and have tommy edman be their everyday SS instead of their CF. miguel rojas cannot be your everyday SS anymore. they can figure out a different CF if they move edman back in.

[@GolfBattleMastery]

The Blue Jays should do what their government is doing. Start over. To soon?

[@tayloroleary8880]

too*

[@GolfBattleMastery]

Butthurt*

[@gabrielv.2647]

Yes! Your window will close after this season, high hopes, some great teams, but your not.doing anything in that division, the yanks, the O's I got the rays over the Jays, as the red Sox are getting better. Blow it up get what you can get

[@jeffnak5598]

The Blue Jays are one of they teams in the delusional category when it comes to contending. There's a few clubs that convince themselves that they have chance and they just don't. The Blue Jays, Rockies, Cardinals, Angels, and it seems the Marlins too because they aren't selling yet, all fall into this delusion. Most, if not all these teams need to hit the reset button. To make it sound even crazier on the Jays part, one of the Mariners podcasters from Locked-on mentioned that he has a very credible source from the front office that told him the Mariners offered a "sh*t ton" for Vlad at the deadline, 3 of the top 5 including Emerson and Montes. For the Jays to reject that is completely insane and when Vlad walks after not making the playoffs again, their front office will be the biggest laughing stock in MLB.

[@the_swoletariat1621]

I’m hoping my Yankees don’t get Arraez, he’s a defensive black hole! If they were gonna go that route they shouldn’t have signed Goldschmidt. Just put jazz back at second base and put Cabrera at the hot corner. Correa is injury prone AND expensive, Arenado is Josh Donaldson 2.0, and Bregman wants too much money.

[@qfbaby22]

Plouffe, the Padres are entertaining cease bcuz with him we’re right up against the luxury tax and they’re not going over with this new ownership. I think they’re waiting to see if they got sasaki then they will supplement the rotation with Waldron and Vasquez who are cheap. Get cease off the books and bring in another trade chip or cheap controllable asset. Preller is having to do it different than years past. THATS WHY …

[@ethanireland3259]

Lux to the reds. 😢

[@MrHockeyboy2000]

Jays SHOULD start over, but will they? NO. They committed to the renovations of the rogers centre and I believe that they want to sign players to make sure that investment was worth while. But yea, as rose said we are in a fucked situation. Its insane to me that they have made basically no changes to the front office. gonna be an ugly season

[@dominic81634]

Arraez is perfect in San Diego. Sign him back Padres.

[@peterharris6409]

What if the guys who lead the league in hits got all those hits from the 4th or 5th spot instead of leading off? Just saying it’s definitely worth looking at instead of overlooking

[@squashandfries]

I've said it before, I'll say it again, MLB in Florida was a mistake.

[@2222aaaa3333]

Toronto Blue Jays fans Hate Ross Atkins GM And Mark Shapiro President But The crazy owner Ed Rogers and his owership group love Mark Shapiro and Mark is best friends with Rss Atkins .so no firings for Mark and Ross which all the fans want . Chris the downfall of the Blue Jays started When Ross Atkins traded fan favourite Teoscar Hernandez who is best friends with Vlad Guererro Jr for Eric Swanson plus another minor league pitcher who has not made the majors yet And also when they traded Lourdes Guriel Jr plus Gabriel Moreno the #1 catching prospect at that time for the mlb for a guy who had 1 career year Daulton Varsho ,who has had trouble hitting for any type of average around 215 since he came to Toronto Those 2 trades screwed the whole franchise up plus in previous years they never locked up Bo and Vlad for long term contracts like 10 to 13 year contracts close to Bryce Harpers contract value at age 22 for Vlad or age 23 for Bo

[@chrissamson9852]

The Cleveland Clowns have to go ASAP before they become the infamous 2024 Chicago White Sox 2.0. The farm team is still one of the worst in baseball and this is with acquiring a bunch of prospects at the trade deadline. Not committed to watching them this year. I predict 67-95 like in 2019.

[@michaelreyes7382]

As for the Dodgers. There will be injuries and slumps. That will create some easier opportunities for certain players and also answer some questions. Hopefully not many but they will come around soon. The easiest player to move would be Lux since he regained some value last year and is still young but if the Dodgers were gonna move him they likely would have done so years ago.

[@OGTREVOR]

Did Rose say he showers at least 3x a week?!😂

[@ronnierodriguez5388]

Rose for the sake of your family…please shower more than 3 times a week

[@vojtechnovacek7776]

I still think Jays can compete with Santander and Jeff Hoffman. That should get them under luxury tax treshold (which restets their luxury tax percentage) and so they can go for bigger spendings next year. Vladdy will sign an FA contract with Toronto, I'm still positive about that.

[@skexy]

florida is an awful place

[@tayloroleary8880]

Last year was the first year the Jays didnt make the playoffs or win 90 games since 2020. But, yeah, they should tank and be last for the next decade (because they will, the new draft rules are extremely hard on Payor teams attempting a rebuild, as we will see with the White Sox, and they aren't in a joke division like the Central). Guys, don't worry, when Vlad and Bo walk, we'll go away, we'll stop watching ball and the team will stop getting involved in Free Agency, so the frightening prospect of a star player playing in CANADA?!?! will be gone, and you can go back to asking if the team should move to a bigger US market or something.

[@Jeremyslade-c2q]

They didn’t make it in 2021 lol Christ man

[@tayloroleary8880]

@Jeremyslade-c2q they won 91 games. Christ man. "playoffs OR win 90 games"

[@Jeremyslade-c2q]

@@tayloroleary8880 my bad

[@PickleParty22]

Anyone feel like all AL teams has some sort of "mediocrity collusion" thing going on? Like all owners/gms other than yankees have agreed to be mid so everyone stays in contention?

[@Chinchuchwei_sr]

It’s so sad we are here talking about the padres losing cease. They’re coming off their best team ever assembled. The highest revenue they’re ever achieved. Even then, they showed a negative quarter. Their owner who was crazy enough to spend like this is now dead. As a padres fan, how do you move forward knowing you lost to the dodgers, and since then they’ve signed $1B more in talent while you need to figure out how to pay the contracts you already have? What gameplan could SD possibly have to continue to keep their gas on the pedal without running out of money? Without a paycap this is just a glorified monopoly simulator. How can non-bias fans think it’s fun to watch the dodgers win their 12th division in 13 years. This league is a joke.

[@ShelleyPolarbelle]

The Pads have to consistently play well. They do that and they’re in the post season. It doesn’t matter what anyone else spends, they have to light a fire under the guys consistently in order to make it there. They have some really good players but they often lack the want-to. Manny even says he’s lazy. And they stand and watch the ball fly before they ever move toward first. They need some hustle. Find that hustle and they’ll be in for sure regardless of what other teams do or spend.

[@Chinchuchwei_sr]

@ what are you on about lady they made playoffs and had a lead over the dodgers before their bats went cold. They aren’t lazy they have one of the best defenses in baseball by the numbers idk where you’re getting this from Shelley lol

[@peterharris6409]

When is baseball gonna figure out your highest average guy should be in a damage spot and not leading off? If he gets the most hits out of everyone why not put that player in a spot to drive in runs? It’s so backwards

[@marcman1999]

I hope showering at least 3x a week is a joke cuz if not that’s nasty