JO Waldner vs Ma Lin Set 3

[@zang1983]

I can strongly recommend watching this with subtitles turned on.

[@steveshaw3640]

Laughed so hard. Thanks for the tips 😁

[@normanstewartah-shung4219]

I can imagine the commentator watching with a cigarette and a glass of whiskey

[@ohayominna7149]

But couldn't still make full sense right?

[@lodis5811]

Bro you made my evening!!!

[@adhiirani9967]

Lol.. 😂😂😂😂😂..

[@supermarc]

They picked up their own ball, didn't stall at every serve, and didn't take a 30 second towel break every 6 points of the match. Even the camera angle is much better than what you see nowadays. Man, table tennis really used to be much more fun to watch.

[@AhmadThabet-qw1kc]

A lesson from World Champion Waldner for all table tennis players in Persistance, Perseverence and Patience.

[@chrisrichardson6482]

You could tell the mental pressure got to the young Waldner. He overcame that problem in the years that followed.

[@krzysztoflaskowski6110]

Mental pressure?

[@pmophy17421]

This is 1999. Waldner was 33 years old, an Olympic champion and two time World champion. This was towards the end of his active career at elite level.

[@sanulkh659]

Masa?

[@olaniyi570]

Although i still prefer this over current table tennis ma-long, jike etc. The conditions during this particular match were horrible. A lot of sweat and humidity.

[@user-lq2nu6cn7y]

@، I agree with him. Fuck the 40+ ABS balls. I am not old enough to have played mostly with 38(Ive tried them tho. Man are they spinny) but I think 40mm post speed glue ban (many differing styles unlike today, and rallies were still much longer than 38 and speed glue) was the best period. Perhaps ITTF should experiment with either 38 or 40mm ABS balls.

[@darrenlang1111]

U do have to consider this was 1999

[@jrk1666]

rally is so short because of serve effectiveness of both players, also the high heat and humidity ruins any game

[@keliekhp]

Love pingpong ... From Pekalongan Batik City Indonesia ...

[@eyezbaby1]

These are two technical players of the game.. no easy shot given for long loops

[@paramountelite2282]

Ma Lin beat Ma Long 2011 Volkswagen China Open and was the champion. Ma Lin has beaten Zhang Jike a couple of times in various other smaller competitions, but he is getting older still.

[@oblarski2478]

Yeah but you can’t compare, ma lin in his prime has never played ma long in his prime, if we go based of statistics alone, Ma long is the GOAT, although you could argue that waldner had a bigger impact on the game or that zhang wasn’t as good for a long time but in his prime was better then anyone and so on

[@lorenzobarni1000]

@@oblarski2478 bruh when waldner was playing the other players level was far closer than now. nowdays there is only 2 or 3 people that can challenge ma long or fan zendong is obvious that they always win

[@oblarski2478]

@@lorenzobarni1000 okay, but is that because the other people got worse compared to in Waldner’s period or just cause Ma and Fan are that much better then everyone.

[@paulystp]

You could tell that Waldner kept getting sweat balls from ma Lin , I have known players to do this on purpose, the rules state “If the conditions of play effects the outcome of the rally than it is a let” I simply show my racket to the umpire if I have a round wet spot on my racket

[@Saidakine]

This is why 21 points is better. But with a climate controlled gym.

[@humorrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

is it orange 38mm

[@neroma]

Really bad conditions to play table tennis

[@dsharma6328]

Higher quality of play from the two legends.Absence of long rally is indicative of quality serves, better serve return coupled with massive variation of pace, spin, placement and length of shot for every point. Very tough to think on your feet when you are at the table trying to micro-adjust for the opponent's stroke and doing something novel with your own play.

[@dickn.ormous1064]

You sir,know the game well.It's the endless variation or spins,speed,trajectory and bounce length than makes TT a difficult sport.Once two wing attackers became mainstream the magic of TT was greatly diminished.

[@benthekeeshond545]

@@dickn.ormous1064 That was the result of using a 40mm ball. Since then, TT is not genuine. It took away or minimize the speed and spin effects from TT.

[@paramountelite2282]

They still gotten beaten by Ma Lin both of them, but if Waldner was young again, he'd beat everyone quite often, and win all the major tournaments. He'd be twice as great of a Legend as he is now.

[@123456jfl]

Waldner got sweat balls every time!!

[@StreetPerforming]

watching this . . . the tabletennis changed completely ! looking forward to tabletennis in 2030 :)

[@rainydayinapril]

I have beaten them then, I beat them now and I will beat them 2030. Maybe you can beat me 2040? Regards

[@オセロット-w8w]

0:07 Chinese Mafia？？

[@kuchikibyakuya7697]

Lol

[@ЯнаКарманова-п1з]

Понравились оба игрока

[@spaceinvader384]

Waldner's serve legal? May be OK back those days but with his left hand deliberately blocking the service is surely unfair.

[@onkelphil924]

It was legal back than... But now it is illegal to hide the contact while serving...

[@ramonbmovies]

Interesting to watch differences between the game back then and now. @6:23 Ma Lin himself would've ripped it in his modern game.

[@abdulhi2759]

Add a reply...

[@antoncigur3727]

0:35 "Ayaaa" quote from Uncle Roger😅

[@donluna2000]

What is the head2head record of the two? as far as i know, ma lin won here, in the 1999 wttc, and the 2002 japan open (which was an amazing comeback). Waldner won at the 04 olympics. Did i miss any?

[@dailyvine6710]

Waldner came 2nd at 04 in athen i think u got something wrong

[@Alnivol666]

@@dailyvine6710 I think you need to learn how to read. The guy was talking about head 2 head between Ma Lin and JO Waldner. Waldner beat Ma Lin at the Olympics in 2004. And he didn't even finish second. He finished 4th. Lost the bronze medal match against Wang Liqin.

[@shanelawson5072]

i read an online interview with Waldner & he said H2H vs Ma Lin he's definitely behind...!

[@benthekeeshond545]

@@dailyvine6710 I think that was about the only time Waldner won against Ma. But Waldner is at least a generation ahead of Ma. The more comparable h/h competition between Waldner and Jiang Jia Liang would be more suitable. He did not fare too well against Jiang either. However, Waldner did have a winning record against Chinese national players before Ma Lin/Wang Li Qin/ Wang Hao era. Consider that Waldner and his Swede compatriot, Jorgen Pearson, were about the only 2 players that challenged and win against Chinese TT. Between these 2 great Swedes, they won 3 WTTC World Championships.

[@matteedstrom]

@@dailyvine6710 He meant Waldner won over Ma Lin in -04 olympics

[@sadeqmurar2794]

The worst match I have ever seen to Waldner. Mostly the heat and humidity made him sweat and wet all the time

[@24ghosh24]

Nah, today's tt is spectacular with longer rallies

[@nicklasandersson5606]

Haha you drunk? Longer rallies today? Bullshit

[@totalmenteforadopadrao]

Because the ball is bigger slower. That time is for real players. Waldner would kill today legends

[@24ghosh24]

@@nicklasandersson5606 watch more u ll understand who's drunk... Show me the longest rally from past n I ll show u the longest rallies of this era

[@MrTinykin]

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[@24ghosh24]

@@MrTinykin I have seen everything.. A chopper myself.. And today's rallies are longer due to bigger n slower ball.

[@vildek78]

"Как молоды мы были...как молоды мы были.."

[@ОлегБлизнюк-ш5и]

Ой не ной

[@TheRovardotter]

Ma Lin's serve seems pretty good

[@morfeus2033]

В каком году это было ?

[@logosnaki]

Waldner'ı hiç bu kadar bozguna uğramış görmedim

[@adiemus5]

Change the rule of service did influence lots of player!

[@benthekeeshond545]

Were they using the fake 40mm TT ball?

[@yusufonepiece]

No way, it's much better now :D

[@TheMrBennito]

Ma Lin maestro of sweat.

[@alexs9600]

Валдер все равно - великий теннисист 🙂

[@jacobkarras1835]

Boo. Conditions were too humid to play, sports arenas must be climate controlled

[@adityanehra182]

Ma Lin was so young back then.

[@blizzbee]

Lmao

[@judgedby1264]

Nobody stares at a bat like JO

[@GhanaTableTennis]

when thw gods of serving the ball its a different story. Waldner waits to attack a long serve only to miss.

[@湯翌昇]

what's wrong with Jo's blade?

[@azhwanmuhamad3603]

Nothing

[@fraer111]

High humidity, I think

[@nandi5338]

I think it is just frustration. Couldn't return the ball because of high spin and blamed it on the bat

[@adrianruelas1812]

They were both sweaty as fuck. The ball might have been wet when receiving. he seems to try to dry it a lot of times.

[@상록-l6l]

I see young Ma Lin for the first time

[@curiosity7917]

So true

[@olaniyi570]

The conditions there were sweaty as hell and MaLins serve on match point was highly suspect.

[@giorgione96]

It was not suspect just was semi short close to the edge on drop so would stop waldner to have a clear chance to attack on return.Very smart and well executed serve ,too.

[@accord03]

@ansonyeung825 Never mind, its actually orange. LOL

[@joemarshall4226]

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN SUCH BAD PLAY? HARDLY A POINT WENT TO THREE SHOTS! Thank goodness they got rid of the practice of hiding the serve behind your non-paddle arm. they missed so many returns!

[@mr.jeffrey2899]

the ball size increased one year later from 38 to 40 mm diameter, too. so the exchanges became slower and longer.

[@歩介浜崎]

馬琳、若い、スリム‼️

[@prashantray942]

I think Waldner couldn't find an answer to his opponent's penhold grip..

[@stevechen8467]

a great game to watch

[@TheNirvanafan1992]

and xu xin and wang hao

[@GtheRushSP]

Which big tournament has ma lin won against ma long and Zhang jike ? It's not about winning few matches against the competition but beating everyone and winning tournaments, which ma lin hasn't done against new competition. Waldner was great for his time but bring prime waldner now and he will fade away in obscurity. Table tennis has evolved too much.

[@giorgione96]

It s all subjective.I would t call todays play evolved .It just changed mainly because the size of the ball!

[@dickn.ormous1064]

Ma Lin beat Wang Hao who certainly had more game than Ma Long.Zhang Zhike is OK but even he didn't face much opposition from his generation.The game hasn't evolve much,there's a certain lack of new talents.Even China struggles to produce new players.Ma Long stated he isn't going to retire after the Olympics.He has a broken body and a rather dated style,yet no Chinese can take his place.

[@a5714737]

胸前的統一，是台灣公司？

[@ck-wg2hm]

even when you look back you know what TT has lost today

[@hede_uk6842]

馬淋痩せてる頃ですね。オッサン体型になってもめちゃくちゃ強かったが

[@accord03]

@ansonyeung825 White.

[@totalmenteforadopadrao]

He loose because wet table wet ball and wet racket

[@Holla.Die.Waldfeee]

rallies were so short back these days... if you can call this a rally :D can understand why no one watched table tennis :D one set now is longer than a whole 2 set game in the past xD damn the skill lvl in this game is worse than 5. league today

[@mazahirhasanov82]

Super

[@rodrigomiranda9698]

Very bad match! More better Ma Long vs Wang Liqin in Qatar

[@maultasche668]

World class players - but boring. Very short ralleys, lots of unforced errors. I think the new ball (40mm) and 11-point sets made table tennis more attraktive for the audience.

[@AhmadRifai-ey4uo]

young ma Lin

[@GtheRushSP]

worse for europeans maybe. zhang jike and ma long have easily surpassed everyone in the past. table tennis was never this good.

[@Michel1414100]

Mai lin have not the talent of waldner, he just vkeep his time to doing more

[@zhouxinghan6986]

解说系粤语，字幕系英语？

[@천근록]

발트너 멋짐

[@olaniyi570]

Yep, table tennis has changed for the worse

[@stepaushi]

Why do they have to wear that annoying name sign on their backs?

[@yamelistorres5168]

Malin isi a goods

[@vadimerofeev1148]

Вареные они какие-то ...

[@ぶちのめせロマン砲]

ｶﾗｶｾﾋﾞｯﾁ若いしすごい痩せててびっくり

[@napridbili1911]

Not much to see hear.

[@Rinzlertu]

統一居然有贊助過瓦神😆

[@dongmingzhu666]

广东人也看乒乓球？

[@alexandermoreno131]

Mala decisión del àrbitro

[@katzentisch2047]

so many unforced errors in that set. thats not a good example for top table tennis

[@ktosomcosom19]

Sad to see Waldner having a huge problem with his FH rubber due to moist conditions there

[@RB-ez8vx]

Most terrible performances by both players, more by Waldner.

[@stephenlau0007]

呢个系我见过最唔专业的解说

[@emirumishiokana]

Jialin Liu English please.

[@trisnasaputra3258]

Ngomong opo.sih

[@andyheru372]

Ngomong rak ceto

[@Left67890]

老瓦传得怎么厉害什么的 还是在中国训练 跟马琳打 就算得算不赢马琳 看看吧这比赛还是

[@cebotarivladful]

noob game

[@theultimaterelaxationcolle4878]

it annoys me that waldner always looks at his bat when he loses a point

[@traxanh0do]

Ma Lin looks like Stephen Chow :))

[@chicotaco88]

Terrible commentator.

[@jonathanmellqvist2]

Chico Fernandes you mean wrong language for ya?