Joachim Meyers Four Dussack Drills - Part Three

[@Michael-hi3ht]

Great Video, thx 🙏👍👍👍

[@DaJaVueUltra]

Great series, thanks! Also, where can I buy one of those long dussack? I’ve only found the stout versions at purple heart.

[@robertusaugustus2003]

I’ve noticed a significant difference between Meyer and earlier Liechtenauer sources, and I’m in no way saying I’m the first to do so. It seems that Meyer uses a lot more wide cuts and feints, whereas Ringeck and Von Danzig seem to use more bind and thrust work.

[@MaidenheartProductions]

Meyer has a lot of bind and thrust work. His longsword section alone has about 20 handworks which are all based around working from binds after you have layed on with cuts. The thrusts are hidden in his work as in Meyer's day it was very frowned upon to thrust a fellow German. However working through his devices it is easy to see where he replaced thrusts with cuts. That being said Meyer does use a lot of failing cuts. These cuts are not what I think of as a feint, because when he describes the failing cuts he makes it clear that you intend to hit the target and only send your sword to a new quadrant if you perceive your opponent with parry it. There are a number of plays that are pretty much word for word that he describes from lichtenauer sources as well. There are some differences, but a lot of similarities.

[@robertusaugustus2003]

Maidenheart Productions Yeah agree, there are a lot of similarities, but it just seems like when I see a meyerist fight they seem to go for wide cuts and failing cuts, whereas the earlier sources are more forward motion oriented. Like the Zornhau in the 1389 manual. It describes a short, sharp cut that stops an oberhau. When I read Meyer, it looks a lot wider and more powerful. Maybe it’s just the stances and structure of the later sources, but they seem a lot more cut oriented, for legal reasons.

[@MaidenheartProductions]

I would argue a lot of Meyerists don't fight like Meyer xD That being said the schools I have seen (other than mine) that look like they study Meyer when they fight are The Sacramento Freifechter school and Bjorn's here on this channel. I would also argue we all have a lot of work to do to apply all of the things Meyer teaches in sparring but I believe we are moving in the right direction. I actually agree that a lot of Meyerists use many cuts and failers, but I believe that is because they are lacking the training to use the middle work handworks at this point. I'm really pushing my students to start using more handworks from the bind.

[@CZOV]

He must have been a 'marine' aka pirate at heart :)

[@omari2306]

Dussak in real combat was innefective, because it's short reach. Rapiers and arming swords and 2 handed weapons did the job in death or life situation.

[@MichaelGThomas]

You know that training dussack was the training weapon for all single handed weapons? The weapon (dussack/tessack) on the otherhand was an excellent early sabre and extremely effective, and very popular as a sidearm.

[@CZOV]

@@MichaelGThomas Among the villagers i suppose yes. Grab your dussack and hack and chop everything u can, while u can. Without a shield its only good for a brawl in a bar or a ship.

[@theprimordialvoid]

⁠@@CZOVthe dussack is a secondary weapon to a halberd/musket/pike its not for using with a shield at all