Man of Steel: The Best Superman Movie?

There's been a lot of drama surrounding Henry Cavill's tenure as Superman. Too much. In 2013, Zack Snyder's Man of Steel premiered to excellent box office, and fans loved Cavill as the new Superman. To them, he was the best of both worlds, as he had brought some of the same heart to the role that Christopher Reeve did in the Richard Donner movies but also did enough of his own thing that it wasn't a full-scale homage. This was a common criticism levelled at Brandon Routh when he played the role in Superman Returns. Yet, some fans took issue with director Zack Snyder's darker take on the Superman mythology. The film ended with a polarizing climax that saw most of Metropolis destroyed during a battle between Superman and Michael Shannon's General Zod.
Of course, the divide between fans grew exponentially following the release of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, to the extent that Zack Snyder's Justice League was taken away from him, reshot and released in a shockingly revised version by Joss Whedon that almost ended the DC Universe on the big screen. In the end, Cavill, despite almost reprising the role following a cameo in Black Adam, would find his run as Superman truncated.
In this episode of DC Revisited, we reexamine the movie that started it all, Zack Snyder's Man of Steel. Does the film hold up ten years later, and did Henry Cavill ever truly get his due as Superman? As host/editor/writer Tyler Nichols explains, this was a role Cavill was seemingly born to play, with him having already come close to playing the part in a version of the character depicted in the abandoned project Superman: Flyby by J.J. Abrams. We examine Man of Steel's reception and enduring legacy, with Michael Shannon's General Zod and Antje Traue's Faora-Ul set to return as antagonists in the upcoming, much-hyped DC-reset movie, The Flash.
Do you think Man of Steel is, arguably, the best Superman movie? Let us know in the comments.
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[@okidokicreations1075]

A great movie, I like it even with It's flaws, it would have been nice to see a Man of steel 2 movie and more of Henry Cavill as Superman

[@eliasndeleon]

barely had any flaws

[@Powerhaus88]

Only flaws were the romance and Clark saying something as unoriginal as "You're a monster, Zod, and I'm going to stop you." instead of something more unique as "I'm sorry you will never see humanity the way I do, and why they deserve to be saved."

[@Strato_Casterrr9898]

​@@Powerhaus88that's the same shit that animes pull when they try to be deep. Its too blunt.

[@jjeteuati264]

ye It was a darker take on superman and even if some of the ideas weren't executed properly, it was still a successful movie. If it was a separate universe just about superman, they could've made a trilogy of films similar to the venom trilogy.

[@majedulleon]

The score from Hans Zimmer is pure 🔥🔥🔥

[@JohnnyNiteTrain]

AMAZING!!!! I LOVE IT!!!

[@deadeyedmillennialmedia]

It could be argued that the legacy of this film is as secure as it is because people keep listening to the score. At least thats the case with me. I remember it more fondly, as better than it is, because of the music.

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

Zimmer is like that, though. Inception and Dune are also amazing scores.

[@bioshock6935]

Really was it sorry it's no john williams iconic score Hans Zimmer score falls flat big time

[@johndinh2913]

@@bioshock6935 no way. John Williams is only iconic for nostalgia. Hans Zimmer captures how hopeful and powerful Superman can be

[@brion0220]

I loved so much about it. Some of my favorite parts: - All the young Clark scenes. - All the Kent family scenes. - The oil rig rescue. - The homage to Superman 2 with the bar fight. - The first Flight scene. - The Smallville brawl. - the final scenes joining The Daily Planet. - And of course, the amazing score.

[@kenb2671]

I loved Faoura-Ul.👍🏾

[@rogerc4963]

@@kenb2671Her fight scenes were epic. Her character needs to appear in other movies or she needs her own spin-off.

[@JohnnyNiteTrain]

Couldn’t agree more

[@jordanbridges]

It was so dumb with the dog rescue though.

[@eq1373]

​@@kenb2671 she was a 21st Century knock off of Ursa

[@tjofwakanda8027]

I loved it then... love it just the same if not more. Also fiora was definitely memorable! Score was perfect!

[@powerbadpowerbad]

Fiaora kicked SUPES's butt in the IHOP scene !!! EASILY. LOL. A Good Death is it's own Reward

[@peterlenham3180]

Man of Steel feels like Superman if it happened in our world, realistic and gritty. Best DCEU film, and 10 years later, nothing has come close with the movies that have come out since.

[@jacobfilasky2729]

Amen!

[@SW-pm3ls]

Seemed a little choppy. Just a little

[@ChannelZeroX]

I loved Snydercut JL but I didnt enjoy MoS at all. Like even one scene. Weird.

[@cutthat4643]

Sad how wrong you are, except is is the best dcu movie but that does not say much, I rate wonderwoman 1 higher the rest were horrible though, problem with man of steel is they get the superman bit wrong

[@jacobfilasky2729]

The original Superman is decent at best. People can’t handle change

[@ZrodyApo]

This movie may have its flaws but over the last decade I think it's beginning to be a classic just like the previous ones. And the first flight scene showing Superman discovering, mastering and literally enjoying his flying powers is really something I re-watch regularly and it has one of the best movie soundtracks too.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

Exactly. No film is 100% perfect and it won’t please everyone, but it amazes me how over half a billion is considered a “flop”.

[@ShelleyLevyMusic]

It really just has one major flaw their really isn’t any Clark but besides that it’s my favorite Superman movie

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

@@ShelleyLevyMusic you mean like the split personality in reeve film?

[@ravissary79]

​@@ShelleyLevyMusic there's plenty Clark he's just not acting silly because he's not at the daily planet yet.

[@KestraBeats]

@@ShelleyLevyMusic the clark excuse is boring now , i dont know where clark would have fit in this movie it would have been a long movie for that

[@ovlivion81]

Personally I though that his killing Zodd helped cement his reason for never killing again. It was the the most difficult choice he had to make after KC made the choice for him not save him to protect his identity

[@OsSas3]

Except it was never discussed before or after. What are the implications of that? He easily decides to kill Doomsday. Is he not a living thing? Even Goyer accepts they didn't put some Jonathan Kent's scenes where he talks about killing to survive.

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

Yup, it was tragic irony; he had to chose between killing the last Kryptonian other than himself, or letting his adopted planet die. He chose wisely.

[@luffytaro1237]

@@OsSas3 what thebfuck? doomsday is fucking mindless and just pure monster. No one would feel guilt if doomsday dies. It’s the same as batman killing parademons.

[@sim4344]

I keep seeing people say that. But... why? Why does he have to kill someone to decide that he shouldn't kill people? Most people come to that conclusion without killing anyone first.

[@Solooshin]

Killing and killing humans is different for superman. It makes sense for him to kill zod or doomsday, but lex luthor nahh

[@mirthkon]

Zimmer's score is one of the best things about Man of Steel. I don't miss the Williams score at all, as great and iconic as it is.

[@wstine79]

It's cool that Hans Zimmer has done scores/ themes for Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.

[@loveychuhtha]

HERESY! 😂 I kid. But I also enjoy Zimmer’s score. It is very sympathetic and also riveting.

[@chrissnyder4439]

Completely agree. The idea of including things of the past for no other reason than nostalgia would have been a shame

[@jcmartinez1808]

Totally!! Zimmer's score is gorgeous

[@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn]

Didn't Junkie XL do some? War Here is still my fav track.

[@nc32203]

😎Saw it in the theatres and everyone enjoyed it. Love the splitting scene image of Reeve and Caville👍

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

When Cavill was revealed in black adam my entire theater screamed in joy

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

I caught the first showing opening day. An hour in my eyes started watering like crazy and I realized it was because I hadn't blinked the entire time. Movie was amazing, I loved it.

[@cadillacdeville5828]

I just watched it again recently and definitely enjoyed it. Henry Cavill is literally the PERFECT embodiment of Superman and not having the campy tone of the first original ones was a good idea 💡. You can still have it darker, make it your own while still keeping certain things form the source . Such a travesty,he deserved 2 movies.

[@elishawilson5342]

@@callmejacob3234 typical

[@matthewnicholas6365]

The problem with Caville isn't Superman, it's Clark Kent and is why there was a lot less Clark Kent in the 3 films Superman appeared in. He's too good looking and confident to pull off the nerdy akward Clark Kent. He's literally the same person in both lives.

[@callmejacob3234]

@@elishawilson5342 Typical what?

[@elishawilson5342]

@@callmejacob3234 comment

[@callmejacob3234]

​@@matthewnicholas6365 Henry Cavill was great I just wish he played a real Superman the core of Superman's character is Clark Kent the struggle with being a god is not something Superman struggles with because Superman doesn't see himself as a god or an alien he sees himself as Clark Kent a good hearted farm boy who just wants to do the right thing and that's something Zack Snyder clearly doesn't understand that's why I think a different director should've made Man of Steel

[@ral3514]

I remember the first time I saw this. When I saw the part where Zod communicated with the whole world at the same time tripped me out.

[@reife3442]

If you guys do a video on Justice League it should be a two part story, one on the Josstice League cut and the Snyder cut.

[@falco5150]

They're both shit. Snyder's vision is slightly less shit. Slightly. And thats only because there's less material cut out so it actually has a story that somewhat makes sense.

[@acentertainment9537]

​@Russell bruh lol. I respect your opinion on the zack snyder film. But I loved the zack snyder version. Maybe its because it's what i wanted in the universe. But yeah joss's version was shit. I remember going and i was just sad. Not angry or just meh. Just sad.

[@Ityka023]

@@falco5150 most retarded take ever.

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

@@falco5150 well Endgame is shit as well then.

[@falco5150]

@@JohnDavidSullivan Infinity War was definitely the better of the two.

[@jasonwebb1882]

Growing and watching Superman the movie and the quote for that movie was ( You will believe that a man can fly ). Christopher Reaves was a great Superman and I never thought that I'd like to see another man in that costume. Brandon did OK with Superman Returns. Henry came in with a really good cast to help. Mr. If you build it, he will come man himself and Mr. Are you not entertained as Kal-Els dad. Amy Adam's did a very good job playing LoLo. Even though I will never put a person about Christopher, I can put one man on the side of him and that's Henry. I was so happy when Henry said that he was coming back to play his role again. Then very mad when they said nope, never-ending we are going another way now. I wanted to see Black Adam and Superman tee off together. But I guess that's not gonna happen now. Heart broken is all I can say.

[@kriscotner7105]

Incredible movie. Perry and the girl trapped in the rubble at the end genuinely felt very hopeless and it was very intense

[@DNOstalgia]

I like Cavill a lot. But Christopher Reeve is yet to be topped as Cinema's finest Man of Steel.

[@Manny-gp2ub]

WB wasted the opportunity to make 2 more Man of Steels. Can’t see past their nose.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

Was waiting for Man of Tomorrow

[@jules-yi8rn]

Shannon was amazing as Zod... he made him menessing and believable as a foe for Supes to interact with. Russell was a great Jor-el.

[@zhengyingli]

I don't understand why people still think Superman's responsible for the damage in Metropolis.

[@h8erz909]

Those were all Marvel shills trying to bring the movie down.

[@plisskenetic]

Antje Trau not as memorable???? Are u freakin nuts?! She was one of the best in the film!

[@Jabberstax]

The opening on Kryton is the best bit of the whole movie.

[@makatron]

Faora was such formidable menacing villain too.

[@zay1521]

it’s sad they never have this man more stand alone movies ..his superman was my favorite next to tom welling a clark kent from smallville

[@nikgrid]

Wow! you just showed me in 14 mins that you didn't understand what tone Goyer/Nolan/Snyder were going for with Man of Steel or even really understand the plot and motivations of the characters...well done.

[@jijo666]

LoL I was thinking the same. And now how things are unfolding, Man Of Steel is going to go down in history as the best DC Movie ever In my view

[@nikgrid]

@@jijo666 It is an awesome film! I cant wait to see what he makes of BvS he'll probably review the theatre cut with 30 mins of plot missing.

[@MatthewSmith001]

Amy Adams was also in a single episode of Smallville, back when she was young and fresh-faced. I also loved Michael Shannon in a movie called Take Shelter... or maybe just Shelter. He was great.

[@christopherlacher3544]

I just commented on that LOL

[@Sheija]

So was the soldier who calls Clark ‘Superman’ (in S1 episode 3). And there’s a scientist in this who played Dr Hamilton in Smallville.

[@MatthewSmith001]

@@Sheija yep. The movies are rife with callbacks and cameos.

[@ka0584]

They cast these roles perfectly.

[@williampineda1841]

One thing that is missing, how isolated Ka El feels. That is an element I wish it would be explore in future movies. I know in will never happen. Isolation doesn't sell

[@martinjeeves444]

I think the terrific actress DIANE LANE (always underrated and overlooked) was FABULOUS as Martha Kent. The cast did their job.

[@rmarkley79]

Usually a watch for me at least once a year. People arguing how many died during the fight, never made sense to me. Two "gods" battling it out would result in that damage. Not to mention Zod was going to destroy the entire population of the planet.

[@cuff2860]

This is by far one of the greatest origin stories we've had for comics. Yes, there was controversy with the destruction and Supes killing Zod, but when you look at Christopher Reeve killing Zod and then smiling it's nothing. Given WBD's recent announcement that Dead Boy Detectives is going to Netflix, the push for Netflix to lease the rights to the Sndyerverse is gaining momentum. March 18th, we run the hashtag once more. If you're replying to say "drop it", "let it go", "it's not happening" or blah-freakin'-blah, shove it! I don't need or want your opinion. #SellZSJLtoNetflix #SellSnyderVerseToNetflix

[@eq1373]

Reeve didn't kill Zod in S2. Zod was picked up by the "US Arctic Patrol" later in a deleted scene.

[@mcribprime6594]

That’s is complete BS, they deleted that scene for a reason. Superman depowered Zod, then crushed his hand likely turning every bone to dust and erupting every blood vessel in his body. Then throws him full force into a ice wall and he fell to his death. Zod was human, he was no longer a threat. Cavill superman killed a full powered Zod that was about to murder an entire family. It was a killing that needed to happen and was done expertly. Man of steal for me is the greatest superman movie ever made and while I grew up with Reeves, Cavill is superman!!

[@vgjunkie8386]

​@@eq1373 "in a "DELETED SCENE""

[@StefanDaniel88]

Zimmer's score is one of the best parts of the movie ... I have Flight as one of my all time favorites .....Williams score is not missed by me thats for sure 😅😅

[@susanalderson8267]

Zimmer ruined Interstellar for me.

[@JessicaChastainFan]

Nothing about Flight was noteworthy. Stop giving participation awards to mediocrity. John's work defines the actual Superman, not the violent, detached Murder Man molded by Snyder.

[@Kissakitaketoritaketori]

​@@susanalderson8267 wow, I've never seen anyone saying that 😮

[@chrisdealemania]

This movie will become more legendary over time than any other superhero popcorn mash. It will age like wine.

[@A-Man79]

I thought Man Of Steel was the best Superman film yet. I loved the Christopher Reeve films when I was a kid but they do look very dated now. Henry Cavill did what Daniel Craig initially did for James Bond ie turned him into a real hard man.

[@mikesilva3868]

Superman movies back then were the best I'm talking about the Christopher Reeve movies 😊

[@powerbadpowerbad]

AGREED.Well said.

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

Grew up on the Donner films as an 80s kid...Man of Steel is the better of them.

[@nightofthelivingdeadpool]

I love Superman (1978) as a perfect comic book movie, and I love Man of Steel as a perfect “MOVIE” movie.

[@UnchartedMedia]

I really like Man of Steel. My only issue is that I think the movie is a little unbalanced, like all the action takes place in the back half whereas the first half is mainly setup. Granted, I actually like the setup more than the action, I just would have spaced out the action scenes more. Maybe that would have made the ending feel a little less bloated to me

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

That’s like all films.

[@KestraBeats]

that's the problem yall want the same formula with movies look wat has become of marvel taking the same movie formula

[@Syryu]

Man of Steel is a fantastic film. I am a huge Superman fan and the movie was everything I always wanted to see in a live-action Superman film. It got my friends who always thought Superman was boring, interested in the character. My father, who was a big Marvel head back in the day, loved everything about it. The best thing about it to me was that the film remembered that Superman truly isn't the All-American Guy, he's an immigrant, a refugee. And in America, especially nowadays, immigrants are NOT wholly embraced, loved, or even trusted at first or even at all. A being like Superman existing on Earth would cause all kinds of issues both personal, political, and international. Clark being hesitant to reveal himself and Pa Kent's fear of his exposure makes perfect sense in that kind of setting. The fight scenes were a marvel to watch and loved how dynamic, destructive, and almost overwhelming it all was. This is what a Superman-level threat would look like. Of course there would be massive causalities and destruction. It's Superman's first day on the job after all. I can understand some of the criticisms but most just come off as really shallow and just comparing this movie to other incarnations which goes against the point of the entire film which was to build its own identity. Man of Steel is a great film. And is indeed my favorite Superman movie.

[@SA1NT53]

This movie was perfect. Perfect. Everything, down to the last minute detail.

[@12Blubb12]

For me personally, its one of the best Comics movies over all, including the end. Finally we saw, what really happens, when two nearly gods clash with each other in a big town. This was developed even further in the batman vs superman movie. Talking about Antje Traue: Well. She is from germany. I am from germany. So i wont forget her. xD Loved her performance.

[@johndinh2913]

THIS!!! No one understands!! Literally any scene with Hulk should have this kind of power but no, they nerf the shit out of him. And even now Marvel is getting around the idea of the ramifications of the snap from Thanos. MOS and BVS was ahead of it’s time

[@Zombiesnyder13]

I miss the old superhero movies that were made without sequel baiting or end credits

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

That’s what man of steel did. It was a stand alone film and didn’t need any of that

[@christophersandidge8257]

When I finally realized that there was hate for this movie, I didn't understand it. It's a great movie. Henry Cavill is great. He put in the work. "It's too dark ." What?! It's very realistic. It's actually very light, considering that all his life, Clark was the last of his kind, and then he finds out that he's not, but his people want to destroy, and the take over the only home he's ever known, and kill everyone he ever cared about. He actually took it insanely well.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

People are used to making quips and jokes even in serious moments. Thank marvel for that

[@rn6312]

Because he's about as far from the comic Supes as you can get. Maybe that's why.

[@ade5004]

Most people that criticise and rubbish it, are fans of the TV series and die hard Reeve fans, and many probably have not even read the comics like those who watch the Marvel movies. I was a comic reader, and wasn't fussed it wasn't done exactly the way it had been before, or followed the same typical boring formula. It's one of my favourite comic based movies ever. Cavill really showed, the doubts, fears and worries, of a young man trying to find his place in the world. Wondering if he was more human than alien, alien than human, would he be accepted, did he have what it takes, and was he ready, to be the protector of mankind. He showed the stress and strain of having the weight of the world on his shoulders, before making the descion to become Superman. A lot of people watching didn't appreciate that, which was a pity. It wasn't that dark, we have way too many of these movies with jokes, clowning around, love interests, and appear to be made for young children, I am glad this wasn't one of them.

[@falco5150]

@@rn6312 Is that right up there with Snyder's whole "comic book accurate" take on Batman? Ya know...the one that "never kills" as hes blowing people away with automatic weapons lol. Get the fuck outta here. You're the same people that get all buttmad when hes not wearing his bright red underwear outside his suit (which was originally done in the comics as a means to show they were actually wearing clothes and because of the limited availability of colors at the time). Or when you think the quintessential batsuit is gray and blue. News flash. Batman was always meant to have a black suit in the comics (with the exception of 70s Batman)....its just that in 2D media, there are only so many ways to express that - so you have to show the ways the suit would reflect light and still be able to show detail. Black, shiny objects typically reflect a gray or blue color back to the observer. Man of Steel was a top notch film and an exceptional take on the character (mostly due to Goyer's and Nolan's involvement). Its just a tragedy the rest of the franchise did not follow suit but...the majority of the writing talent had mostly left after MoS. Afleck's Fatman didn't help matters...but that was really the fault of Snyder's shitty casting in that regard.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

@@ade5004 they also say how he didn’t save anyone, while ignoring how that’s all he was trying to do in smallville. Like when the soldier fell out the helicopter. But once Zod nearly mastered his ability there was no opportunity to go around saving people while this man is chasing after you to kill you

[@airborne111]

Great video but I think the absence of Lex and the John Williams Theme were necessary as Snyder and WB were trying to establish a new Superman.

[@fredlandry6170]

I like this move the scenes on Krypton were really cool they had amazing technology.

[@ghostface93wu4eva9]

Man of Steel is the perfect movie for people who hate the character of Superman and don't understand him whatsoever.

[@nicholaswilliams1296]

Man of Steel probably my favourite Superhero film ever! Even had the score playing at my wedding

[@avivlamech-kalambi519]

I love this movie. There's definitely nostalgia involved when it comes to me liking it, but the visuals, music, tone and characters etc felt amazing. Plus I'm sure there were enough typical Superman moments, the end being the most notable one.

[@ericpeterson8732]

No offense to Henry, he did what he was supposed to, but this movie is awful. Zach Snyder loves spectacle not story and on his way to having a city-destroying fight, he undermines Clark's upbringing by having his parents so paranoid that he has no reason to become a hero. I can't get over his father telling Clark that maybe he should have let children die to protect his secret and then dying a preventable death because he still was trying to protect his secret. I have never seen Superman let someone die to protect his secret identity until Zach Snyder took over. There's a reason Zod was in Superman 2 before. Jumping right in with Kryptonians before any other villains doesn't allow room to establish his character, which is why Snyder's Superman doesn't have any. He's very blah. And it only gets worse as the Snyderverse continues.

[@qzurg]

it’s a fantastic film, ur just a baby boy

[@santinodewreede3955]

By far the best Superman film. He has a true hero’s arch. His two loving families who molded him. An outcast from two worlds. But his fathers’ love made him do what was right. While it was dark, it was filled with hope. Hope isn’t meaningful unless you are overcoming great things. #HenryCavillIsSuperman #RestoreTheSnyderVerse

[@AdamSternberg]

By far it was not the best, but a close 2nd after the Christopher Reeve Superman, for sure.

[@jackleonard2088]

I found the destruction of the city and the thoughts of civilians being killed by the fighting disturbing. Maybe I’ll never get used to it after 911.

[@Dru2037]

Snyder didn't know what he was doing

[@johndinh2913]

I mean… even in the animated series villains and Superman alike literally get ran through buildings and destroy surrounding areas…. We actually get to see the ramifications and power that these god like beings possess.

[@aaroneclipse514]

Superman killing Zod is not murder, killing someone is not automatically murder. If it was, we should be imprisoning every soldier on Earth, murder is considered to be unjustified killing. Zod was an active threat to the wellbeing of the human race and to Superman, so Superman killing him was not murder but a form of self-defense. He would never go to trial for this because he didn't commit murder. He didn't want to kill him, he didn't enjoy it, and he only made a split-second decision to save people. He's not a murderer. Superman is not responsible for the destruction of the Metropolis. He's still new to this job, he's a young Superman and inexperienced. The blame solely falls on Zod who is responsible, so no, the blame is not on him.

[@PurplePaddy]

Would have been good if Snyder could understand the characters he works with, this movie fell flat the second they let Jon Kent die so dumb like

[@louistracy6964]

I admire your commitment to showing what's going on with these films; actors, directors, producers, and your love of the adaptation genre. But they are hollow, and at core, popcorn sellers. A few moments of drama, at best. This is from a guy in love with comics at 7, now 61 years. So many possibilities reduced to mechanical tropes. Gimme the Howard The Duck reboot.

[@michaelbuczek1767]

One of my favorite superhero films of all time.

[@YuniorGamboa]

Yeah this movie had some really good scenes even the positives put weight on all the negatives. It remains one of my favorites movies

[@Steeezzzzz]

Lois being able to causally lay down on the open back of flying plane for however long was something..the movie lacks a lot of physics lol

[@Moe_Lester_fromUptwn]

That supes/zod fight. I loved it.

[@Ironstarfish]

It honestly was the best Superman, and I grew up with the old ones which says alot.

[@christophersandidge8257]

When you're punched through a building, there's very little chance to prevent collateral damage. Blame Zod for that.

[@OsSas3]

What about when you're the one punching? Like we clearly watch in the movie.

[@angelofdarkness243]

@@OsSas3 where did he punched Zod into the building?

[@OsSas3]

@@angelofdarkness243 Two times, when Zod is climbing a building, he could easily wait for him at the top, but he clashed against him, creating more destruction than Zod by himself. The other time, when he grabs him and smash his head against a building... Jay Olivia dropped the ball in the whole sequence and Snyder just went with it.

[@angelofdarkness243]

@@OsSas3 The reason is that He was inexperienced. How wore the cape literally a few days ago. How can you expect him to think when he is inexperienced. When he never has to use his raw power or fight with anyone his entire life. And his first fight is with who! General fucking Zod who is a warrior. And Zod clearly said either you die or I do. So, You gonna expect an inexperienced Clark to just stand there in the sky and let Zod come to him like a beast. Wow! What a brain you got. The thing is you are just obsessed with Christopher Reeve Superman. Christopher Reeve wasn't comically accurate Superman. Have you ever watched animated series about how much damage has been done to the city? It is impossible for an inexperienced person like Clark to fight with a warrior Like General Zod without any collateral damage. That's why he learned from his first battle and took doomsday directly to space without causing any collateral damage during his second battle. Zack Snyder didn't even got a chance to complete his Superman story. So, how can you judge him.

[@angelofdarkness243]

@@OsSas3 Ad the two times that you are pointing out that he punched Zod into the building. He didn't even do that. It was outside of the building not into the building

[@charleslebi7297]

Its definitely NOT the best Superman movie ever but its a film that has really improved upon repeat viewing.

[@derekofbaltimore]

Is the best one an animated one?

[@powerbadpowerbad]

What is the best Superman film ???? Superman Returns ???

[@vgjunkie8386]

It's definitely THE BEST superman movie. The campy ones don't come close at all

[@Truth_Alone_Triumphs_777]

I cannot not love this movie. Brings back warm fuzzy memories every time i think about it. I remember walking out of the theatre depressed cos I couldn't fly 😂

[@LoveHandle4890]

One of the most underrated superhero films of all time, right next to Superman Returns.

[@wallydee]

In my humble opinion, Superman Returns, was rated exactly how it had to be rated. It's not BELOVED but it's not HATED either, it's not a CLASSIC but it's not FORGETTABLE either. It was kinda bland. Special effects were good for it's time and still hold up pretty well. It was an OKE movie.

[@StephenSatterfieldTheSLSway]

MoS was fine mainly because it did not invite comparisons to the great Richard Donner !

[@fortis992]

Lol, Generic Action movie as criticism ? The film is a fresh air in sea of generic Superhero movies. MoS is like fine wine, getting better with time. Critic was looking for a superhero movie like Siperman, MCU. But DK trilogy, The Batman, MoS & ZSJL is closest to Cinema superhero genre has ever been.

[@bestintheworld4850]

2 things 1) His father is a psycopath, tells him not to use his powers and let people die. 2) He didn't have to kill Zod, he just had to move his head, they really forced that grimdark brooding superman, it feels rushed and bad.

[@zhengyingli]

His father is a psychopath in the comics, too. In Superman #1, the Kents told young Clark not to use his powers to help others until he grows up.

[@angelofdarkness243]

Says the guy names JOJO DIo! Lmao! he clearly said maybe! do you even understand English.

[@bestintheworld4850]

@@angelofdarkness243 They are chinese cartoon characters, I know Dio means God but does JOJO mean something?

[@patfer1189]

Wut? Fiora wasn't "memorable"? Must be the reason why many fans were clamoring for her to show up somehow again since that film. Man of Steel is a terrific film, and personally the more I watch it the more I come to realize how great it is. From the casting, the action, the story arc, and even those choices that some considered bad, it is great all around. (And let's not forget that amazing score by Hans Zimmer). Those choices all had a purpose. Unlike nowadays when we hear terms like "subverting expectations" or "deconstructing" thrown out emptily to make it seem a project is deeper than what it actually is or that there was forethought put in the project, there was actually purpose and thought put on the decisions in that film. Much like Batman Begins had shown in greater detail how and why Bruce Wayne became Batman, MoS shows how and why Clark Kent becomes Superman. It is easy to dismiss this as something that had been done already but it wasn't. Be it the Reeves movies or the Routh one we usually saw a fully formed, already experienced Superman or how he discovered his powers, but not how he became the hero we all know. That's what MoS was doing. The other aspects many have issues with is that the moment he puts the suit on many took that as meaning he was that fully formed, experienced Superman and thus had trouble reconciling the fact that by the end of the movie he still isn't. He is many things but not yet the beacon the world knows. It is his first mission and he barely just got into the daily planet. He is on his way to being the Supes we know but his story arc to get there won't get resolved until two movies later when, by the end of Justice League (the 2021 good one and not the crappy 2017 one), you see the iconic character now in personality and all. Snyder and co. were playing the long game with the DCEU, which clearly WB didn't have patience for. And that is the thing with Snyder's style that rubbed many the wrong way: love his style or hate it he wasn't spelling everything in detail in the style people had become used to with Marvel movies. His films communicate as much just visually as they do verbally, and trusts the audience is intelligent to figure it out. In rewatching MoS, BvS EC, and ZSJL, it is clear there was a clear goal and vision to the whole story that many missed on first viewing. We weren't starting with the characters at their fully formed best and as we have come to know them iconically, but at different points a step early to have them develop into those iconic characters when everything was said and done. Even the much maligned Lex Luthor interpretation of the character in BvS, which makes more sense on second viewing, is starting to be the Lex we know by the end of JL (2021). In any case, MoS is probably the best Superman movie. Sad we never will get to see the fully complete vision of what started with that movie and those characters.

[@One-Time-Review]

Im just glad we got to see ZS trilogy James Gun DC it’s probably going to be just like marvel now Silly Lame Guffy

[@theillustratedman1]

I love this film. It has so much going for it and it delivers.

[@thedoctor4269]

The casting was pitch perfect. The script and directing left A LOT to be desired. The final conflict at the end is ridiculously contrived seeing as the Super Weapon is a machine that can terraform any planet into a Krypton-like world, Superman could have easily been like "Hey, I get you wanna rebuild Krypton, and while I think Krypton has had its time, why don't you head to Mars, the next planet over out from the sun (which is already devoid of life) and rebuild Krypton there. Once you're settled we can figure out a better way forward for Terrans and New Kryptonians." Secondly, they were WAY off the mark with Superman as a character. His greatest superpower (and greatest weakness) isn't his strength or invulnerability; it's his passion, nay, compulsion to help the greater good. And this comes from both of his fathers; one gave him the abilities to help the greatest good in unimaginably epic ways, the other gave him his love for humanity. This can be best contrasted by Glenn Ford's line "You are here for a reason. I don't know whose reason, or whatever the reason is... I don't know. But I do know, it's not to score touchdowns," compared to Kevin Costner's reply to Clark who had just asked if he should have let a bus full of his classmates die, "I don't know." A better line would have been "Of course not, son. Every life is valuable. But you have to be more discrete until you're really ready to show the world this side of you." The fact that this version of Kal-El is hesitant to come forward and do the right thing is a slap in Superman's face. I don't entirely blame the script, but when you pair that script with a director who took Watchmen's cautionary tale and made him to be the hero, you know he's not the right director for arguably the greatest symbol of hope, peace and justice in pop-culture of the last century.

[@OsSas3]

Basically Jor-El had more faith in humans than the human himself, Jonathan Kent. And that's just sad.

[@XpediousF]

I think the Zimmer score is stunning. Holds up much better than most film scores. Those beats are heart pounding

[@crishl19]

This is movie is getting better with time . I had the change to be in london at the premier and see Henry and Russel in person . This movie got a manage to have a soundtrack, a super awesome villain !! Much better than many many comic book movies . Still don’t get why people didn’t like it .

[@konstantinkoverchenko9587]

It was a necessary update. The older versions didn’t age well. It’s a sin and a shame there wasn’t a sequel with Brainiac and now that Henry is kicked to the curb, all bets are off. A “fresh start” will be nothing more than a jump start in another direction.

[@highallmighty233]

There are three certainties in life, death, taxes and Hans Zimmer creating a work of art with his score for any movie

[@Octovisuals]

Taxes? Only if you let politicians rob you.

[@LDrumsOhio]

The thing I never understood about the complaints of Superman killing General Zod. In Superman II from 1978, he crushed Zod's hand and threw him into a crevice and Lois kicked Ursa into another crevice. In Man of Steel, he was forced into making a compassionate decision based on the people in front of him he could save and he did. Why is the Zod's death in Superman II not criticized as much as Man of Steel's? Regardless, this is one of my favorite superhero films of all time, and I find it incredibly comforting, hopeful, and engaging. Batman v Superman had a lot of flaws but there are a lot of scenes and messages that I find really engaging. the 2021 Justice League really captured the feeling and message that was started in Man of Steel, and I loved all of the characters especially Cyborg, and Batman.

[@sim4344]

Because Superman doesn't kill. I mean, that's a thing. The comics spell it out over and over. In Superman 2, you *can* interpret it as Superman killing Zod. But we don't see him die. We don't see a body, and at that point it doesn't really matter, he's defeated and the story is over so there's no need to address it further, which the comics definitely would. But it's still the kind of thing they could definitely being him back from if they wanted to. In any case, it's framed differently. Zod falling into an ambiguous fate is not the same thing as Superman straight up snapping his neck and then screaming in angst. Which kinda fits the whole tone of MoS, but also isn't how most people see Superman. I mean, Snyder/Goyer's take on the character is basically Superman for people who don't like Superman. Needless to say, the people who already liked Superman just fine the way he was didn't care for it.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

Exactly! And the reeve version of superman isn’t even in all the mediums. He’s rarely depicted like that in the comics or shows.

[@LDrumsOhio]

@@sim4344 I understand what you're saying; people didn't like the direct display of him killing and preferred the overt method. I know Superman hasn't killed much in the comics; the only thing I can remember was Doomsday, and the thing after Crisis where he smoked General Zod in the pocket dimension with the Green Kryptonite but yes I understand your point and to be fair, I stopped reading comics in the early 00s so I don't know what's happened since then. I guess I like the direct display of the choice to kill Zod because it makes him put his values on the line, and make the hard call. The film to me is more or less a trial of his values and what he stands for; he did the one thing he didn't want to do and it hurt him deeply. It's why he took care not to harm Lex Luthor in BvS in my mind.

[@sim4344]

@@LDrumsOhio Y'know, if they'd handled Zod the way they did Doomsday, I wouldn't have minded it nearly as much. In Death of Superman, Superman has been doing everything in his power to stop Doomsday or steer him away from Metropolis and protect as many civilians along the way as he can. (As opposed to just knocking each other through buildings, which I guess does look cool.) And when the moment comes, he doesn't visibly decide "I'm going to kill Doomsday." Instead, Superman goes down swinging. He's just trying to stop this monster. Wailing on it with everything he has. Which just happens to be barely enough. That's my main problem. Because if Superman had the strength to kill Zod like that, he had the strength to stop him in any number of other ways, too. But the writers didn't want that. They wanted "What if Superman, but dark and gritty?" So that's what they wrote.

[@LDrumsOhio]

@@sim4344 I view the Death of Superman series a little differently because at that time we were dealing with a mature Superman. He was aware of his powers for the most part, and at this point we were like ten years post Crisis, just finished the Zero Hour event and were dealing with a very strong and confident hero. In Man of Steel he wasn't out publicly, and really hadn't fought any real enemies until this time nor faced any crisis until this point so we're seeing him relatively fresh and as far as we can tell by story cues, the time from scout ship to General Zod's arrival is perhaps just a few months. With that said, I frame his decision to kill Zod, one that is a result of him being young, and unaware of who he is and his powers. The city destruction is more or less a result of Zod's decisions, and then a result of his inability to truly comprehend his abilities. On the Dark and Gritty; I see the tone, but it doesn't bother me because we'd just come out of the Chris Nolan Dark and Gritty Batman era. I think what drew me to Man of Steel, and why I still love the film and consider it one of my favorite DC films is because it felt more grounded, and the darkness contrasted his struggle as a character where we see him grow into the hero we'd come to love. That's why in Batman v Superman when he goes to testify in Congress, and the attack occurs it's such an impactful moment because he deeply feels the loss and his inability to do anything. Regardless, thanks for the discussion, and being kind and respectful. A lot of folks get really mad talking about this, and try to attack me as a "snyderbot" even though I just enjoy the film without really considering him.

[@cleverestdevil]

Huge fan of this movie. Unfortunately everything after it kind of diminished the realism they were going for in this iteration, but at least we have this one great movie.

[@Omar-wq9dz]

No. I liked it, but I still think the first 2 Richard Donner movies are better. I would say Superman 2: Richard Donner Cut is the best, then Superman: The Movie, and then this

[@Condor2481]

Wait, so both Henry and Amy were already trying to get their roles before this movie? Fascinating.

[@MikeOrtego]

2nd best movie but my favorite Superman actor

[@kungfew1396]

Seeing this at the theater too close to the screen the shaky cam stuff annoyed me. After watching it at home I fell in love with this movie and rewatch it often.

[@SourRobo8364]

10 years and no sequel with Henry Cavill. What shame.

[@613aristocrat]

Man, such a great movie. You really could follow the evolving mindset of the main character, with even the destruction happening due to his inexperience in how to respond. I don't think people have seen DC animation before if they think Superman gets into fight with no destruction involved. My main critique is Lois Lane. She came off as abrasive and annoying rather than tough and street smart.

[@huh8662]

To me, the best Superman movie is Superman 2. I fell asleep twice trying to watch Man of Steel.

[@wiseguymaybe]

😆😆😆😆😆😆I can't believe you just commented that. I almost fell asleep myself watching it in the theater. The scenes were to dark and I hated the flashbacks.

[@silencerp4355]

Henry Cavill is perfect as superman, the music is very emotional, supporting cast is great It could very well be the best one, although christopher reeves can never be replaced, cavill is best for This kind of superman movie, darker and more serious.

[@randallrutherford1384]

Brandon Routh I’d still love to see back!

[@guywgane3]

People that complain about MoS should just watch Superman The Movie and get tf over it. MoS brings a whole new look which stays in touch to its comic roots - John Byrne's Man of Steel comic series of the late 80s. The futuristic Krypton, and more. It's too bad Zack can't finish his series of films because ZS Justice League eclipses all other Marvel films (and post Snyder films in the DCEU). It's a hill I'll happily die on.

[@mattalki]

While I enjoy it for the most part, Man of Steel is way too dark and gritty for a Superman film. It needed to have a lighter tone. If you don't leave the theater energized and instead are a bit melancholy, it didn't work.

[@Boozer13]

Fickle fans are the reason that whole universe died. Everyone crapped on these films, except WW and Aquaman and arguably first Shazam, and they barely made budgets back and then y’all get upset when DC cancels everything to start from scratch. Now everyone is looking back saying “Henry was the best Superman. Man of Steel was actually great! Ben Affleck was truest to comic!” Fickle fickle fans…

[@t.f.t.f.8522]

The three films you mentioned were the only DC movies that weren't garbage, aside from Suicide Squad 2. Better to cancel the whole DC cinematic universe than keep dropping turds.

[@dustygozangas8191]

Yeah blame the fans instead of the quality of the movies. Flawless logic if ive ever heard it

[@katemaloney4296]

1. Superman II 2. Superman Returns 3. Man of Steel Those are the three best movies.

[@Anonymous_tjjh]

Easily the best superman and actor for the role no debate 👍🏽

[@thedarkemissary]

I really like Superman vs The Elite and Death of Superman. Doesn't get enough credit.

[@youngdoka7641]

just rewatched man of steel and henry cavil really couldve nailed a brighter tone in a seuel. he really is just that good of an actor. one part of the movie that felt weird when i first watched it and juist now is when jonathan kent says maybe to letting the kids die. its just so jarring. man of steel 2 wouldve benefited from Lex as the villian. not the BvS Lex, a different actor

[@jayjeckel]

Even without Beteridge's Law, the answer to the headline question is still an emphatic "no". As perfect a casting as Cavill is, Snyder has zero understanding of what makes the character and his attempt is pretty much the worst portrayal of Superman until his second attempt.

[@justinhollen]

I love this flick. Very fun. Great score.

[@tecpaocelotl]

Acting is good, music was great, but the plot is bad.

[@lancelindqvist8848]

yes it is, great movie with an awesome soundtrack

[@DJWArt3264]

Absolutely love this movie and take on superman

[@rjspires]

Great film, showing Superman with flaws and not a perfect, like other Superman films and TV shows. The big fight at the end was needed for Superman to learn to control how much and when he should use his full power.

[@stephanegosselin2861]

There is so many great scenes in this movie just too bad it went nowhere after that… one of my top three scenes is « You are not alone « , General Zod was perfect casting, and Cavill was excellent.

[@davidchen587]

Henry Cavil's superman to me has more of maturity, physical and relatability than Christopher's Superman. Man of Steel in my opinion is the greatest Superman ever made not to take away from the incredible depiction by Christopher and awesome script of original Superman, MoS to me is simply on another level in turns of different take on Superman in more of modern take, storytelling, emotional connections, Zack Snyder's amazing action sequences, original scores, visual and inspiration for hopes representing by Man of Steel. Man of steel magnified how selfless is like by some of the characters throughout its storytelling mark the purpose and belief come to made what Superman is becoming and about. Man of Steel had successfully transform the typical superman feel into more of contemporary and fill with more of meaning and purpose for the character! Oh, Michael Shannon's villain role in general Zod was fantastic as well and the final battle scene where Superman has to make the toughest choice of his life to kill the only other Kryptonian left in the universe in order to save vulnerable human family stamp his no kill mentality. Imagine a man with his super power but has no concern for killing...that is what make superman the greatest superhero, he realized that he can easily kill anyone in the universe, but he has the ultimate choice to NOT DO SO! That is what Man of Steel my greatest pick for all Superman movies, the true purpose of superman was beautifully shown throughout the movie.

[@Lone432345]

I have a hard time relating to a dude who let his dad die because his dad was a paranoid misanthropic moron.

[@Ikennanno]

"Faora isn't memorable"......are u kidding me or just biased

[@rodneycooperjr3223]

... or it is just his opinion. It's my opinion, too. I don't remember a single thing done by that character in that movie. Admittedly, I've only seen it about 3 times, but how many times should a person have to watch a movie to properly remember it's characters?

[@MINDSPARK-u6e]

Superman Returns vs. Man of Steel - A Directorial Showdown Superman Returns (Directed by Bryan Singer): Bryan Singer’s “Superman Returns” was a nostalgic journey to the classic Superman era. Singer’s direction pays homage to Richard Donner’s original films, capturing the essence of Superman’s character. The film feels like a love letter to the past, but it struggles to break new ground. Singer emphasizes character-driven storytelling and maintains a sense of light-heartedness, staying true to the Superman mythos. Cinematography-wise, the film boasts a warm and vibrant palette, reminiscent of the comic books. Singer’s choice of practical effects adds a touch of authenticity to the action scenes. However, the visuals, while solid, lack the grandeur and innovation found in modern superhero movies. The tone of “Superman Returns” is largely one of reverence, embracing the hero’s iconic status. It carries a sense of hope and optimism, catering to fans who cherish Superman’s unwavering moral compass. But for those seeking a more contemporary, gritty take on the character, Singer’s approach might feel somewhat dated. Man of Steel (Directed by Zack Snyder): Zack Snyder’s “Man of Steel” represents a bold departure from traditional Superman storytelling. Snyder’s direction is marked by its epic scale, intense action sequences, and a willingness to deconstruct the Superman mythos. He brings a fresh perspective, giving Superman a more complex and humanized portrayal. Cinematographically, “Man of Steel” is a visual marvel. Snyder, known for his distinct visual style, incorporates stunning CGI and innovative camera work. The action scenes are breathtaking, showcasing Superman’s power on an unprecedented level. The film’s dark and muted color palette complements its serious tone, creating a more grounded and relatable atmosphere. The tone of “Man of Steel” is notably darker and more somber than its predecessor. It delves into the emotional struggles of Clark Kent, making the character more relatable. This interpretation explores the moral dilemmas faced by a superhuman living in a world of ordinary mortals, adding depth and complexity to the narrative. In conclusion, while Bryan Singer’s “Superman Returns” pays homage to the character’s roots and maintains a lighter tone, Zack Snyder’s “Man of Steel” takes a more contemporary and daring approach. Snyder’s direction, coupled with breathtaking cinematography and a thought-provoking tone, makes “Man of Steel” a standout in the Superman film canon, offering a refreshing take on the iconic character.

[@denniseudela411]

In many aspects, the BEST Supe movie of all time. While Chris Reeve's portrayal is iconic - no question, being as close to the original concept, Cavill's is truistic with the world's current way of life and environment.

[@vlogger4567]

M.O.S. was the pits. Totally nonsensical plot and illogical decisions by most characters. "Confused Matthew" summed it up very nicely.