Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - The Most Controversial DC Movie?

[@matthewcoleman8267]

The warehouse beat down scene is still one of the best Batman fight sequences across any of the Batman films

[@chasehedges6775]

Good scene, still a terrible movie.

[@chasehedges6775]

One good scene doesn’t make a movie good tho.

[@pa.encema2821]

​@@chasehedges6775 for a movie you dislike, you sure do comment a lot. Zack Snyder says thanks for your 'unnecessary input'

[@JoseRodriguez-lo9wi]

​@@pa.encema2821 I was thinking this also haha

[@elishawilson5342]

@@chasehedges6775 no one asked he's allowed to like the movie you know just because it's not good to you doesn't mean it isn't to him

[@sbi168]

My favourite comic book movie by a large margin. Adore it. I have never understood the hate for it and probably never will. I recently rewatched Mos ,bvs,zsjl in one day (10hrs of brilliance) and it just flies by. Love it

[@daggy561]

Alfred is underrated in this, love his dialogue and presence in the film

[@virgil3241]

I liked it. I have the ultimate edition and have watched it a few times. When Clark talked to his dad, it was a little hard, since I lost my dad recently, so that was a little but of a cry in the theatre.

[@ca18drifta1]

Sorry for your loss. I still have both my parents but I know one day the end will come but I cherish each and every day I get to text them or call them to tell them I love them

[@carn5haun343]

Crazy how they crammed at least 4 films worth of story into 1

[@cameleyez]

Which was its downfall.

[@Haunted_Peru]

That was the studio imposing on Snyder. He didn't even want to do BvS, favouring instead Man of Steel II. And it was also the studio that kept insisting on Snyder making the story ever more darker.

[@kenny8712]

@@Haunted_Peru ehh i think synder said that putting batman in a superman sequel is his idea?

[@EternityFandom]

​@@kenny8712 yes. But he wanted to do it after another Superman solo movie. Also, he wanted the movie to be titled just 'Dawn Of Justice'. But WB changed it to 'Batman V Superman' for hyping the audience.

[@tijiooo]

Studio imposing snyder to bring Justice League even with 3 movie is trully amazing...with those great pressure by those Execs, Snyder still able bring out most greatest pantheon of DC Superhero story in history....

[@kingkiller5325]

I honestly think this movie will age well. I'm already seeing a lot of people coming around to this film. Now I'm not saying everyone suddenly thinks it's a masterpiece. But people are definitely appreciating it more, especially after ZSJL. For me I've always loved BvS.(Ultimate Edition). I understand that the movie is very flawed. But it's equally ambitious. It takes big swings with these characters to tell a BIG story. That is something I appreciate. It took the most famous traditional heroes. And deconstructs them to their lowest point in order to build them back up. And I loved this take. Anyway. No matter other people's opinions. I'll always find great entertainment in this film.

[@wickdaline8668]

ZSJL does make this movie better in some ways.

[@EternityFandom]

Same here. One of fav CBM along with MoS and ZSJL. But I still think Watchmen is Zack's peak directorial.

[@Jay-gq1mo]

One thing I like that people hate about this movie is Jesse as Lex Luthor. I loved him in this. In the scene with Deathstroke in ZSJL his demeanor is more comic accurate

[@EternityFandom]

@@Jay-gq1mo Same here. They focussed more on the character than the appearence. Jesse killed it as Lex. It's a shame that most of the people think Lex is just a blad rich man who hates Superman. His motivations are more than that.

[@angelacosta1412]

I absolutely love this movie. The cinematography, action, score, story, everything. Definitely the most controversial movie of the last decade. I can never understand people's hypocrisy with Batman killing in this movie when Keaton, Kilmer & Bale have all killed.

[@debbiebrantley61]

I couldn’t agree more

[@bensneb360]

Underrated opinion: Clark talking to his ghost dad is my favorite scene in my movie, it’s incredibly touching, simplistic yet effective

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

Right. These fanatics wanted the campy reeve happy all the time version

[@PrimePrius]

​@@bofawhatsbofa4593You fools are never happy. Wben Cavill was first cast, everyone said Routh was their Superman. When Affleck was cast, everyone said he was a big joke. Thry wanted Bale. The cycle will repeat with the next cast.

[@Psilocybin77]

did you just say your opinion is underrated lol.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

@@PrimePrius who is “you fools”? 🤦🏽‍♂️ I see reading compression isn’t your strong suit. I said “these fanatic wanted” Where does it suggest I’m part of them?

[@PrimePrius]

@@bofawhatsbofa4593 People like you are the reason we don't have Henry or Affleck returning as Batman and Superman. Always complaining and whining about having Reeve back. You never gave Henry a chance and when you did, it was too late. I wish I could throw a shoe at a every person that didn't want Henry as superman or wanted him to be a happy go lucky goof like the 70s and 80s Superman. The future is now, old man

[@joebro391]

8:56 The conflict did NOT come to a halt when the two realized that their mothers had the same name. Hearing that name only enraged Bruce further, as he most likely thought it was some trick. It wasn't until Lois showed up and explained that Clark was referring to his own mother that Bruce calmed down. Learning that Superman isn't just the alien monster that can wipe out all life on Earth, and that he has a mother that he cares for, huminized this god-like figure that Bruce had spent the past 18 months obsessing over. In that moment, Bruce just saw a scared little boy trying to protect his mother, as he once did; and this snaps Batman out of his kill-rage. I really don't understand why that's so hard to understand...

[@vinniedavies7047]

Yes

[@ThronesTheory]

Perfectly put

[@cameleyez]

What's harder to understand is how she knew exactly where they were and showed up just in time to clarify the name issue lmao.. or how batman getting thrown several blocks to the same building he just happened to have the spear stashed. Badly written film.

[@vinniedavies7047]

@@cameleyez bro that is stuff that falls within suspension of disbelief for most movies. Do you question how thor knew to go to Wakanda in infinity war? You don't even know how long Lois was looking

[@cameleyez]

@@vinniedavies7047 I understand suspension of disbelief but it's still bad writing. Along with the Martha stuff.

[@LoveHandle4890]

Never forget when this film came out and I was so hyped for it. All these years later and I’m still amazed by it.

[@chasehedges6775]

A lot of people said it was it was terrible and even Jeremy Irons called it “Overstuffed and Convoluted”

[@nathanielbacon2661]

Amazed by how horrible it was? Lol.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@nathanielbacon2661😂😂👍

[@Pleasing_view]

It has aged like fine wine

[@batmangummies5393]

@@Pleasing_view it only came out in 2016 it wasn’t that long ago

[@TheDorkKnight23]

Batman V Superman is my all time favorite Superhero film. I saw the movie 9 times in theaters and lost count on the Ultimate Edition. No movie other than Godzilla and of course Zack Snyder's Justice League had me that hyped.

[@Asylum_dorama777]

Hell yeah! It's probably my favorite superhero movie and I'm a big fan of godzilla too.

[@floridamanknives]

The Ultimate Edition is phenomenal

[@ericdxfan511]

No it wasn't. It's the same shit movie, just longer

[@kaponosucks]

@@ericdxfan511it’s not shit

[@anthonymarsala-ri7db]

It's one of my favorite films of all time

[@Axolotl_Mischief]

The extended cut is great. I enjoyed it more than the theatrical cut, which is hindered primarily by editting issues imo.

[@cameleyez]

It really isn't much different. I suppose it's the better cut but it hardly elevates the movie much higher than where it was.

[@power279]

​@@cameleyez Cut or not .it made money..after aquaman 1..all of dc movies flop hard😂

[@DuneLover1472]

​@@power279 well you forgot the first joker as well...

[@Matt_Bright_1983]

​@@cameleyezthat just simpliy isn't true. The theatrical cut had huge chunks cut out that totally destroyed the story and it made no sense. It's wildly different than the UC

[@ericdxfan511]

​@@power279 Aquaman made the Box Office $ BvS SHOULD'VE made. That's pathetic

[@cory5197]

Bruce Wayne and Alfred scenes were all perfect. Perfect music, perfect atmosphere, perfect aesthetics

[@metalcastengines9917]

I watch this movie many times, still never get bored! No wonder always a subject for debate.😅

[@nickelburg988]

8:55 you know damn well it isn't because their mothers have the same name. Its because saying that made Bruce realise he was about to become the murderer just like the guy who murdered his parents.

[@darrellmetcalfe3615]

Yupp same stupid comment gets made in every review for some reason,it's basically an excuse to give the movie a negative since only mouth breathers don't understand it.

[@yucas8387]

It had too much going on for one movie but I understood it was WB pressuring Snyder to build a entire universe in one go and it sure has flaws but it attempted something different and it still amazes me how much lore it has. It’s an epic movie that despite it mistakes manages to do something incredible.

[@Matt_Bright_1983]

Yeah people always criticize Snyder and Goyer for stuffing too much into it but they wanted to make MoS 2. It was WB that forced them to include Batman and Wonder Woman because they wanted their cinematic universe with no patience

[@ArroyoVideo]

This film was made for me :) I can still remember watching Batman '89 to this masterpiece... Batman grew up with me.

[@farazkhan0]

Man I love this movie. One of my favorites. Ben as The Barman was freaking perfection.

[@powerbadpowerbad]

I LOVE Ben as Batman also,one of the high-lights of the film for me.I remember the-BATMAN-film Ben was supposed to direct and star in,wish it would've been made.

[@John-Doe-Yo]

Why was Ben perfect to you? I didn’t think he was awful but haven’t ever been able to be immersed with his portrayal compared to others before him. Ben was just okay to me I don’t get the amount of praise he got.

[@powerbadpowerbad]

@@John-Doe-Yo Not perfect,just darn good portrayal of BATS.He embodied Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns-BATS- to me.Gritty,no-holds barred,willing to do what needs to be done to complete a mission. He had the physique of an older-BATS-and kicked butt much &&& too !!! LOL. Ben has come a very-LONG-way from doing films with J-LO ( back in those days he was considered a pretty-boy )

[@John-Doe-Yo]

@@powerbadpowerbad Fair enough.

[@powerbadpowerbad]

@@John-Doe-Yo Thank you.

[@jayDee92133]

Ben Affleck is my favorite movie version of Batman...he was the GOAT.

[@dylanburton4955]

I just wish he had better writing, he had so much potential and was screwed over

[@DuneLover1472]

​@@dylanburton4955 his batman was perfectly written wdym

[@dylanburton4955]

@@DuneLover1472 The killing was just wrong for Batman, it was a chance to get one of the most comic book accurate portrayals of the character but they had him just killing people and it’s wrong I’m aware he’s killed in other films and even in the early comics but Batmans no killing rule is such an essential and interesting part of the character and having him cross that line is a line too far, him killing so much makes him just as bad as the villains he faces The comic they based their version off mostly which is the dark knight returns, that Batman similar to Batfleck is darker, battle hardened, older and more cynical yet he still sticks to his No killing rule, he’s just more brutal in his combat now I thought it would have been a better choice to have him go to the brink of killing but not go through with it, at least then it keeps in character with Batman And it doesn’t even make sense in universe for him to be killing people. If he’s killing low level thugs why doesn’t he just kill The Joker? 20 years of been Batman surely he’s had plenty of chances and if he has no issue killing people then surely he’d be killing villains like that

[@Cbriggs502]

FACCCCCCTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSS

[@DuneLover1472]

@@dylanburton4955 I love batman killing people I don't think it's out of line for him at all considering the Ben affleck batman lost Robin and his parents and went crazy and became a criminal

[@robsol123]

Unpopular opinion I’m sorry but it’s an honest one = for me it was and still is one of the greatest films of all time an absolute masterpiece - why would u Americans create some of your greatest art and then smash it to pieces with bad reviews etc - will never get my head around this - thank u Zack Snyder for this cinematic masterpiece!! 👍

[@deathfab]

I love this film. The batman fight scenes make it alone. Just recently I thought maybe superman said Martha instead of mom because he was still trying to keep his identity secret, like his dad drilled into him, then Lois runs in saying its his mom's name because she doesn't care and just doesn't want batman to kill him.

[@cameleyez]

Nah, terrible writing.

[@Mwezi828]

I thought that was always understood? If he had said "save my mother" Batman would have had no idea who that was, probably assumed it was an alien and, even if he did think of a human wouldnt have had a starting place to search.

[@deathfab]

@@Mwezi828 I dunno. All I heard people say was why did he say save Martha and not I need you to help me save my mum. Batman wouldn't know either way he said it. Superman probably had a concussion by this point. Maybe that's the answer.

[@power279]

​@@cameleyez A mother's love connect both of them.. unless ..u dont have a mom..duhh

[@Tippotipo]

B@@cameleyez those two words for people with shorter attention span.

[@peterburman5193]

It's an underrated, underappreciated gem! By far among my favorites.

[@retro_vibe]

I don't understand how people, after all these years are still calling Martha's scene silly? How hard it is for people to understand that Bruce would have still killed Superman, if he wanted to after hearing Martha's name, but he realized that Clark is trying to save his mother which he couldn't do and regrets. So he stopped and decided to help him 🤦

[@That1DogGuy]

The concept behind the scene is solid! It *couldve* been really impactful. If it weren’t written in a silly goofy way. People call it silly because it was written poorly. It’s not that it was misunderstood, it’s that it didn’t resonate with the majority of viewers and that’s not a fault of the viewers, but of the people who made the film.

[@retro_vibe]

@@That1DogGuy I agree a lot of people know what Zack was trying to do. But then there are people who say having the same name for their mothers is cringey, I mean seriously guys, read the comics first. The scene seemed a little rushed and that's probably because WB doesn't care about director's vision. I bet they thought oh the movie is way to dark and serious, let's make him shove some humor at the end of the fight.

[@Tippotipo]

@@That1DogGuy "If it weren’t written in a silly goofy way. " from a certain point of view which only highlighted the short attention span. Amazing some viewers failed to hear the first part: "You're letting him kill Martha" from a struggling Clark Kent with a steel boot on his chest and a kryptonite on him while trying to snap Bruce's hunting mindset. The visual showed why yet some people managed to ignore those details. How else would you like an agonizing character deliver a message?

[@jamiejoe4802]

​@@Tippotipoyour right I just watched the 4k and it's epic

[@ChucNguyen-yb4bq]

​@@TippotipoThere's also have flashback to Bruce's past in UE

[@wstine79]

As flawed as this movie is, there are some good moments that I like. The warehouse fight was excellent, Batman-fleck was superb, & Wonder Woman's intro was fantastic

[@chasehedges6775]

Good moments don’t change the fact that this movies sucks

[@chasehedges6775]

Ben Affleck deserves better

[@michaelb2226]

​@@chasehedges6775 except it's your opinion that sucks

[@mrbluesky4838]

@@michaelb2226 not really

[@michaelb2226]

@@mrbluesky4838 that's your opinion

[@zsyhan15]

Im a Snyder-fan and this is one of my top favorite movie.

[@GordonKWaddell]

The Ultimate version is FANTASTIC!!! They needed to let ZS tell his story without interfering....WB execs were the problem! Affleck is the greatest Batman ever! Unsure, brooding Superman is excellent!

[@revealingtruth3329]

Uhhhh no. An ultimate cut DID NOT change the fact that Superman was brooding and miserable and emo and without hope the entire film. And that is the exact opposite of what Superman is supposed to be. Also Batman IS NOT supposed to be a murderer. And he does not brand people. These decisions were not studio decisions. They were Zack Snyder’s terrible decisions. So let’s stop acting like if the studio left Zack Snyder alone then everything would have been ok. Snyder never cared about the true essence of who Batman and Superman are in the comics and what makes them iconic

[@tmac731]

Facts and facts. People hate what they don’t understand. This movie was a head of its time. If it came out today, people would love it

[@JonathanCon]

Favourite comic book film of all time. The Martha scene is fantastic - it snapped Batman out of his kill rage and made him see Superman as not some strange alien murderous threat but as someone with a mother who he's trying to save. Batman couldn't save HIS Martha so that resignated with him. The camera stays on Affleck as he puts all of this together and then realises he's been played and manipulated by Luthor the entire time.

[@laurencelikestopgun]

I'm kinda sad we never got to see the Batman/Mad Max taking on Evil Superman that the end of Justice League was teasing

[@Jabberstax]

I've only ever seen the 3 hour Director's Cut, and I really liked it. Never understood the hate it gets.

[@power279]

dont trust the critics.. funnily enough..zack works made money.. this bvs made 874 million worldwide. and im not yet talking about the homesales dvd and marchandise sales.

[@garypasquill2355]

Because Batman kills, back before the golden age in comics he used to straight up murder criminals with the gun that killed his parents.

[@jimmyboy7817]

Some people thought Ben Affleck should have had his solo movie first.

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

It was hated on social media before it even came out. Many made their opinions months before it came out so they were looking for anything, and I mean any little thing to hate the movie for.

[@SmokingDragon100]

For me, it was that they brought Doomsday in and killed Superman way too early. As well as the portrayals of Lex and Joker were horrible and those are arguably the 2 most important villains in all of D.C.

[@Ityka023]

For me its the best CBM after watchmen. Zack Snyders vision is the reason why im falling in love with these characters. Movies for adults.

[@joebro391]

The BEST DCEU movie. Probably only seconded in the entirety of DC by The Dark Knight (2008) At least, the Ultimate Edition is. The theatrical cut had a bunch of very important plot details removed for time. I was very fortunate to see the Ulimate Edition FIRST, and it became one of my all-time favorite films. #RestoreTheSnyderverse

[@ck.standard]

I've been a comic book fan for over 30 years. I've never heard anyone point out that both of their mothers name is Martha. I thought the connection and scene was valid

[@j.a.weishaupt1748]

Valid? Yes. Well written and executed? No.

[@ck.standard]

@@j.a.weishaupt1748 I can agree

[@Cbriggs502]

​@@j.a.weishaupt1748 wrong

[@pilsatortube]

The ultimate cut is an absolute masterpiece!!!

[@LeonardoKlotz]

The crazy thing about Warner Bros is that they can make better movies than Disney And yet they cause so much trouble when it comes to DC

[@chasehedges6775]

Such a crazy world we live in.

[@chasehedges6775]

The downfall Of Disney is just depressing yet karmic

[@chasehedges6775]

@rorschach36 👍👍👍

[@dylanburton4955]

Warner has kinda always had a history of screwing up their superhero films Superman II ended up been a mess cuz they fired Richard Donner and brought Richard Lester which then of course led to Superman III, at least we got the Donner cut which is much better then the theatrical version Batman 89 and Batman Returns were good films but then they screwed it up yet again by firing Burton and it all led to Batman & Robin

[@kenny8712]

@rorschach36 true

[@daggy561]

Lex deserved more respect. Jesse did a great job at portraying the madness of this character. Despite some dialogue feeling out of place against the serious tone of the film, he’s the mastermind of the plot and brings everything together. Don’t forget he was the Jr. which explains some of his more immature/childish tendencies and behavior. “Write checks for Lex”

[@vivienlobo7235]

The snyderverse always had great potential

[@jameskaltenbach6122]

Johnathan Kent ghost dad scene was in the theatrical cut as well not just the ultimate cut.

[@nandocalrissian6757]

When you watch a movie the first time you watch it for the movie you hope it will be and what you want it to be. When you watch it the second time you watch it for the movie it really is. I admit I did not like BVS when I first saw it opening day in IMAX. It was not the movie I was hoping for when it came to "batman vs superman" BUT after watching it a second time, watching it for what it is... I appreciated it more and with more viewings of the Ultimate Cut I loved it even more. It was a unique comic book film for its time, it came out when sugar sweet Marvel movies were dominating. The fact that this film is still talked about and still polarizes people speaks volumes. Side Nots: The terrible name 'Batman v Superman' was the studios demand not Zack's. It's pretty unfair he gets all the flack for it when he himself didn't like the title.

[@royjones8312]

In my opinion Affleck absolutely killed it as Batman. When I picture a live action Batman it is the one from this movie.

[@denniskirkegaardjensen3597]

Snyder chose the 'V' to underline the conflict of ideologies between Batman and Superman. "'V' is used in Supreme Court cases while 'VS' is often used elsewhere."

[@ezra7692]

I've rewatched this movie several times and I've never understood why some hate it. Unfocused? Yes. Bad? I've never thought so.

[@jules-yi8rn]

I still think that the director's cut betting flushes out the story. That final scene after Supe dies and Batman and Wonder Woman stand in the shadows behind him still gives me chills - a perfect visual of a broken League.

[@mysteriousstars122]

*I love this movie. I have watched it several times, still never got bored!*

[@thegreengoblin373]

I absolutely love this film! It had so much against it (mis-marketing, peak MCU momentum/competition, Disney/Snyder hating critics, 31 minutes cut, GA’s MCU Formula preferences, etc). Most of the complaints are really superficial or misunderstood. There’s so many layers to discover if you rewatch it. I actually personally love the Martha scene because it also has multiple layers that unfortunately went over people’s heads and they sadly ended up only taking it at face value. Really hoping we get ZSJL 2 & 3 one day! I’d love some proper closure!

[@EternityFandom]

💯

[@ericdxfan511]

31 Minutes cut? The movie fidnt need to be 3 Hours! Snyder just sucks at editing his films

[@thegreengoblin373]

@@ericdxfan511 Not even close. What an absolute superficial and subjective take. You’re just a Snyder Hater dawg. Cry to the wall.

[@ChucNguyen-yb4bq]

​@@ericdxfan511You think a director can tell at 4 movies in a less than 2h30m movie?

[@jacobomendoza5519]

The director’s cut has a much more consistent tone, thanks to a few scenes being in a slightly different order (Batman’s intro being one of the most noticeable, coming before Clark & Louis’ scene in the tub instead of after)

[@Octovisuals]

I love this movie, don't care what critics or anyone says, ever. To each their own. Thank you.

[@chasehedges6775]

The DCEU is an absolute mess. The only films I have enjoyed are Wonder Woman 1(2017) and The Suicide Squad by James Gunn.

[@anubusx]

I like Shazam.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@anubusx Shazam looked average at best but kinda decent

[@chasehedges6775]

@theglassespro4557👍

[@chasehedges6775]

@theglassespro4557 It deserved better than this

[@anubusx]

@TheGlassesPro Same i wanted a proper sequel as well.

[@TheQauntumSamuri]

My only issue with this video is the purposefully obtuse characterization of the Martha scene..Its ok that you dont like it but Im sure you know that its not so much about them having the same name. Martha is a phrase thats said or shown several times throughout the film. In the opening montage, Thomas Wayne saids it....Lex Luthor says it repeatedly to Clark on that building rooftop. Its trying to convey through foreshadowing that "Martha" will have significance. I get that a lot of folks didnt catch it and when explained people choose to hold on to the "our mothers have the same name" narrative....I could speculate that its more fun or appeasing to the ego but I really dont know 🤷🏽‍♂

[@SA1NT53]

Idc what people say, if Doomsday was made into the main villain, this move would’ve done worlds better. But it still has some of my favorite Superman scenes EVER!!

[@Tippotipo]

The original Doomsday was refereed by the kryptonian ship as abomination and it was hinted the shattered kryptonian moon was its doing.

[@josephaaron4985]

The Snyder trilogy, as it is for now, is a great bit of DC representation. People complain that it was too dark, but if you know DC, you know it's dark. Sure, Superman is a symbol of hope, but even your most hopeful person can temporarily lose said hope.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Rorschach's Journal: March 25th, 2016. Tonight, I watched "Batman vs Superman" in New York, and it sucks. Somebody knows why. "Somebody knows"

[@chasehedges6775]

2016 was a hit and miss year for movies

[@domymbd]

@@chasehedges6775 not just 2016, but every year since then.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@domymbd 2017-2023 has been a mediocre decade

[@scottmcclary594]

with the flash coming out soon I'm binge watching all the movies minus jl2017 and while watching BvS for the first time in I think years I forgot how much I loved that movie and every time wonder woman launches herself with her battle scream and that ww theme kicks in I get goosebumps and almost choked up with excitement I dont care what the haters say about bvs and even suicide squad I love those 2 movies!

[@boizen]

I liked the film, the reason behind their beef made sense, and the people being afraid of Superman's strength kind of makes sense in the real world, i mean i also would be afraid of a being that can wipe out the entire human race in days if he wanted to. The only thing i didn't like was the fight between Batman and Superman, i feel it could have been more creative. That armor was garbage, shouldn't have been that bulky and the fight was boring, other than that, it was great, a 8 out of 10 for me.

[@kenny8712]

damn batman really hitting supes with a kitchen sink, and i hate that ithe fight is simply batman and superman taking turns to punch each other in the face

[@silverfuryranger]

I'm not the biggest fan of this movie, but I can watch it and appreciate it. Has it's good moments, good CGI, great cinematography and acting for a superheroe movie. I even come to like the interpretation of Lex Luthor (I get what Snyder was going for). The story and the whole death of superman it's what really bothers me the most. It was too soon to tell this story, when Sups dies I felt nothing because we as an audience only saw him once (and MoS was not well received even though some fans, like me, think it's a brilliant movie)

[@AztecUnshaven]

The Ultimate Cut is the film that was supposed to be in theaters. Fantastic and heavy themes that FULLY connect and continue through the Snyder Cut. Many things that are built on in BvS have a big payoff in Snyder Cut. It's a journey of the darkness before the light.

[@DrewTrox]

I feel like Snyder and CO were a bit too ambitious with their DC films. I think these are just trying to do too much. You can feel that desire to catch up with Marvel.

[@chasehedges6775]

They were DESPERATE to be the MCU.

[@chasehedges6775]

How ironic considering the decline of the MCU right now

[@pa.encema2821]

This movie is nkthing like marvel's family friendly shit. That was the reason why critics hated it, it was too dark. Zack was doing something original and wb lost it's marbels. Now DC movies will be fun for the whole family smh

[@Tippotipo]

They simply tried to made a continuity in DC Universe which seems a foreign concept from WB executives. The latter were the problem because they disregard the long term strategy for greed.

[@ChucNguyen-yb4bq]

​@@TippotipoThat's WB's CEO who rush the plan for his greed.

[@JoeSavySC2]

The directors cut is definitely superior to the theatrical release. It was and is still a great movie.

[@chasehedges6775]

A directors cut doesn’t make thing any better. The JW Dominion Extended cut is an Example

[@elishawilson5342]

@@chasehedges6775 disagree with that

[@kingkiller5325]

​@@chasehedges6775 I see you haven't seen a really good film by the name of Kingdom of Heaven.

[@jakeheuberger4332]

masterpiece in my opinion

[@nwatt23]

ULTIMATE EDITION!! When you rewatch, pay attention to all the hints Lex is orchestrating everything, on all sides. Something I missed at 1st. The ultimate edition also fills in all the plot holes... IMO BvS is a top 5 comic movie.

[@muhseninsaif3586]

This universe was good... Felt like in the same universe as the Watchmen ❤

[@Syryu]

In a market of formulaic origin stories and superhero comedies, BvS stands out to me even 7 years later. It dared to be different. It dared to question things about Superman and Batman we as an audience have taken for granted for years. It gives Superman an actual arc about his relationship with humanity and vice versa. If Superman existed he would NOT be universally accepted. He would be questioned, feared, admired, and hated. And as a regular guy ultimately that would wear him down until he found a strong purpose to carry on. Barman is a guy who has routinely traumatized himself over and over again for 20 years as Barman. He's watched his efforts amount to nothing and all he got out of it was a broken body and a dead Robin. Now aliens are coming to Earth, destroying cities and killing his people. Of course he's going snap and throw his rulebook out the window. Nothing he did mattered so why should his rules? The movie allowed our heroes to be extremely flawed and lost in their darkness, but also showed how these titans found their way back to the light. It's funny to me when people say Superman was too depressed yet I personally know people who say watching Superman goes through depression and conquer it gave them hope they could do the same, which is exactly what these heroes are supposed to do.

[@homerthompson6481]

Nice video. But at 11:46, that was Man of Steel's opening weekend. BVS made 166M its opening weekend.

[@brenttwilson]

It's an incredible movie. The ultimate edition is the only true version of the movie. It's only going to be more appreciated with age, we are seeing that already, especially with the decline of Marvels formulaic movies, and the release of Zack Snyders JL.

[@-PLAY3R1-]

If you don't understand the Martha scene by now you never will 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Helixium08]

Honestly I don't know why people harp on that scene so much. I thought it was a clever way to show Bruce that Superman is also Clark, he's a human-being as well. I do understand Bruce's total 180 on liking Superman being solely based on that scene alone is too quick lol, but the scene itself was good and makes sense.

[@Cazz8203]

It was an odd decision for the script but didn't deserve all the hatred

[@dycebastion]

I love the ultimate cut. Massive improvement. Or maybe I’ve become easily pleased

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

They could’ve just adapted the “World’s Finest” crossover from the mid 90’s. The perfect blueprint was already there. And Batman & Superman’s beef wasn’t them trying to kill each other.

[@bhodili-3396]

Would've loved to have seen the Joker Team Up with Lex Luthor.

[@MJT409]

Jeremy Irons is the best casting in the film, so underused.

[@TheTruthBeToId]

Why is it so hard for people to grasp the Marth scene? Do people not understand trauma and the effects of it? It was a deep scene that people turned into a joke because they mocked what they didn't understand.

[@ryanwilliams6602]

I've watched this movie 3 times and I'm still finding new elements that solidify the story, and I've always seen it as cohesive. I have to say Zack Snyder did the material justice and it's pretty amazing that he put it together with only Man of Steel as the foundation. Yet we got an epic BVS battle for the main event, with Doomsday and Wonder Woman getting just enough time to not take away from the focus, and Lex Luthor being a leading antagonist without that even being the main rivalry! Furthermore, we got sightings of the Justice League cast in a manner that tied into the plot, even teasing the Wonder Woman movie with the photo she wanted to erase that was on the stolen drive. While not much screen time for the members, there was decent context throughout that was built upon. I mean, seeing the reveal of the members was like a post credits scene in the middle of the movie at the height of the action! Why follow and do the teaser post credits? To me this movie is the textbook definition of balance, which i feel was executed quite well considering the unconventional approach to the storyboard. Snyder... no, any director, who can do that without it feeling shoe-horned deserves props. This movie being a follow up for Man of Steel and a set up for Justice League resulted in an unusual formula WB had both established and relied on as the foundation for future films in the universe. In my opinion it's a welcome deviation from the typical trilogy formula. I hope WB realizes there are also people that don't hate the Snyderverse, and just because other people say it's scattered and incohesive, doesn't mean that it the case. Hopefully they'll see that and consider ways to include the cast in future films and tv. I do get how these characters might not be the prefered adaptations of the source material, and I agree Batman went too far with the killing. One is okay, maybe even two, if that was the only way to save someone in danger. Just my opinion, but that is a whole debate in itself.

[@Tippotipo]

This Batman is based from the Frank Miller version which kills. The double standard from some critics showed shows where both Keaton and Bale version killed out yet got a pass.

[@00rabbit7]

I just remember leaving the theatre and buying and downloading the soundtrack immediately. Then going online and realizing people were hating it and I was confused. Looked up a couple of critics like Richard Roeper who I’ve mostly agreed with growing up when he did the Ebert and Roeper show and he liked it. Funnily enough the Martha scene did come about stupidly, but when I first saw it, the music and emotions of that scene got me good. Same with Supes “this is my world, you are my world” and the music that followed

[@pa.encema2821]

For a 'bad movie' its still being talked about today. Maybe cause its actually good, especially after ZSJL

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

Exactly! Been 10yrs since MOS and it’s still talked about. Nobody talks about Birds of Prey. Or Thor 1&2. For example, so long later

[@pa.encema2821]

@@bofawhatsbofa4593 Facts

[@dustygozangas8191]

People still talk about Birdemic and The Room and they came out over two decades ago. They must not be that bad since people still talk about them right??

[@michaelb2226]

​@@dustygozangas8191 not really. They are mentioned very rarely and not for good reasons. Only to make fun of. The room isn't all that bad Tommy's acting is what was bad. This on the other hand has constant breakdowns, deep dives, and video essays. There are the few that bash it but most of the arguments and reasoning can be debunked easily. The rest are just a matter of individual subjective opinions.

[@MutantsInDisguise]

​@@dustygozangas8191 it's a Snydertard's logic, since they are secretly desperate to force others to think BvS is the Stanley Kubrick of superhero films when, no matter how many years, Zack Snyder's ridiculous take on DC remains, ironically, the guide to not making films.

[@captaindeadpool313]

This is what I call the ultimate guilty pleasure superhero movie. If you ask me which movie is better, BvS or Civil War, I'd say Civil war is faarr better. But if you asked me to rewatch one right now on gunpoint, I'd pick BvS. Despite being a lesser movie, BvS just has a weird effect on me. I love the score, the cinematography and the action. The visuals and the first two hours of the ultimate cut is just so easy to sit through for me. Its only the last hour with doomsday when things get overwhelming. I liked the political takes and themes, until the generic final battle at the end. I still don't think its a great movie but I can, and will, be rewatching or thinking about this movie far more than most comic book movies ever made. theres just something about movies like this, dark, edgy, less focused on cringy humor, etc that I like to revist from time to time. Expecially after ZSJL.

[@EduFabolous]

Lesser movie ? Civil War does not even know what a camera is, much less the notion of a score. Just BvS intro has more value than the whole civil war movie

[@captaindeadpool313]

@@EduFabolous If we're talking about visuals or soundtrack, BvS is light years ahead of Civil War, so no argument there. Having said that the last hour of BvS was just painful to sit through for me. The first two hours were like a drama with moments of action sprinkled through out which gave it great balance (aside from unnecessary cameos from other superheroes). then all of a sudden its not stop action in the last hour. that was what annoyed me the most. They were so close to making a great movie with the juxtaposition of thought provoking questions regarding superheroes in real life while simultaneously having the villain's plans work out at the back, but at the end everything became who can punch harder (like a generic action movie, think Fast and Furious or some of the mediocre Marvel films). Imagine if in the climax of The Dark Knight, instead of the moral dilemma regarding the boats and two face was switched with Twoface suddenly coming to his senses and help Batman catch Joker, making light of the situation all the way using quips. I like BvS but it has way too many flaws holding it back. So does Civil War. the difference is that Civil War stayed consistent with its storyline till the end. Its the exact opposite of BvS. I despised the last act of BvS, while on the other hand my fav in Civil War, was the last act.

[@EduFabolous]

@@captaindeadpool313 Civil War is just things happening without any consequence, and even the small amounts of it was retconned right away. As for the BvS battle, find me a super hero battle better than that, that’s how Gods fight, you might have not liked it but no super hero ( supers) fights have even come close to BvS. Civil War is basically like a Disney Chanel team up whatever whole BvS is actual cinema, you might not like the latter but what I just said is 100% true

[@captaindeadpool313]

@@EduFabolous If we're talking about gods fighting, MoS had a much better fight. BvS had a good concept but personally watching it all take place in the night ruined it for me. It had it moments like when WW showed up to save Batman with Epic music in the background, or when all 3 of them worked to kill Doomsday, but other than that, it was underwhelming in clarity, while overwhelming in cgi chaos. I don't mind seeing gods fight and leave carnage, but I need to see it properly to enjoy it. MoS did a far better job in that department, with a significantly better villian I may add. As for Civil War, I agree that for the most part the consequences were microscopic. One of many reasons I did not like the Airport fight as much as others, aside from horrible sense of geography. Seriously, if you rewatch that scene, its hard to tell where each character is at during the fight, they keep changing places despite being in an airport. that aside the best part of that movie, at least for me, was at the end when Tony finds out how his parents died. its kind of a thing for me that when usually comic characters get super serious, its entertaining like little else. Seeing Ironman ready to kill was a ton of fun. So much so 90% of my memory of that film is that 3 way at the end. As for the retconned part, I assume you're talking about the part Cap leaves the letter? I personally don't think it was retconned because it was Cap trying to reconcile, Not Tony. If it had been Tony, it would've ruined the movie. It fit Cap's character to a boy scout who favors one group member over other. Those BuckyXCap memes didn't come out of nowhere. BvS is, interns of filmmaking, more "cinema" I guess. it has far better shots, visuals, soundtrack, overall technical stuff, but personally, despite its own flaws, one thing Civil War had that BvS didn't was set up and pay off. BvS came close but the eagerness of the studio ruined it. It was hard to focus on how Superman came off to the world when we kept getting meaningless cameos. I personally think that if they deleted WW all together and just focused on Batman and Superman only, this movie would've been awesome. Civil war is not awesome per se, but its one of the better marvel movies since just like BvS, it had conflict between their main superheroes, but while Marvel had them duke it out at the end without outside help, DC had them in the middle. Airport scene took place in the middle and the main trio fight at the end. When you think about it, it was the opposite approach in BvS. they had the newcomer superhero, WW, fight at the end and steal some of the spotlight while in Civil War, the spotlight remained on the main ones. They had fricking Spiderman and they only had him appear in the middle. He was a cameo too, but unlike BvS, they limited the cameo in the right place. I really think they could've just ended the movie after the Batman and Superman fight. Batman saves Martha and Superman arrests Luthor. Luthor's failed plan would've proved Superman innocent and it would've also worked in pissing Lex off worse, to the point of a mental breakdown even. Then in the sequel he would've created Doomsday in his peak crazy state, due to the humiliation and stuff. they just crammed too much in BvS. anyway that's just my opinion. Sorry if this reply was too long.

[@EduFabolous]

@@captaindeadpool313 yes, I think I agree with you on most points, for me just the cinematography of BvS makes it a far better film without dwelling into the other stuff, but I agree with most stuff. At first I thought the same as you for the Doomsday fight but over time I actually think it’s one of times real super heroes were shown fighting like that and the CGI has stood up really, with doomsday being kind of underrated but overall I agree with you, if the movie ended after the Batman and Supes fight would be good but what we got was also great, with Batman redemption starting with Supes death. As for civil war, that airport fight has to be the most Disney thing I have ever seems, should be huge stakes but you just watch for the fun of it, but I loved spidey there (don’t like holland that much though ) And BvS has so much rewatchability is not even funny, for example the Lex montage of other heroes most people say it a shameless plug for other movies (which it kind of is) but the way they handled it I think was the best I have seen, because all that data just proves lex was deep into finding some one or something to kill Supes, and the fact he chooses Batman ( which is not in the montage ) just shows how deep down Batman is, Lex had multiple heroes to try and influence to deal with Supes but even lex new Batman would be a better bet. Lastly, I feel MCU movies barely know what is cinematography or sound, and for that reason alone they cannot be good films, just enjoyable content But I agree with you a lot actually, you at least seem not to be bashing BvS just because it’s more serious

[@pwnranger3496]

A lot could have been tweaked with this story. A LOT. Lex Luthor and Bruce Wayne should have both been threatened by Superman, but for different reasons, yet teamed up to stop him. A lot has been made of the differences in philosophy between Batman and Superman, that adapting that into a movie script should have been easy. The movie should have just been about them overcoming their differences to stop Luthor from using kryptonian tech to gain an edge over the world, only because Krypton destroyed HIS city Also, Doomsday should have been saved for his own movie. Superman should have only died after it was earnes

[@lemont64]

This is my best comic movie....it's was super mature and didn't forget the action

[@white-dragon4424]

As someone who can't be bothered to watch the movie, from what I can gather the problem with the "Save Martha" line is that it's key to getting Batman on Superman's side, but in real life he wouldn't have called her by her name but rather, "Save my mother".

[@bhodili-3396]

Thank Goodness Clark's Mother Wasn't Named Debra.

[@watchyoutube9455]

The conflict did NOT come to a halt when the two realized that their mothers had the same name. Hearing that name only enraged Bruce further, as he most likely thought it was some trick. It wasn't until Lois showed up and explained that Clark was referring to his own mother that Bruce calmed down. Learning that Superman isn't just the alien monster that can wipe out all life on Earth, and that he has a mother that he cares for, huminized this god-like figure that Bruce had spent the past 18 months obsessing over. In that moment, Bruce just saw a scared little boy trying to protect his mother, as he once did; and this snaps Batman out of his kill-rage.

[@bhodili-3396]

My favorite Version of this Scene is in His/He's-How It Should Have Ended.

[@Tippotipo]

Except that Bruce wouldn't care with his rage-killing midnset as he saw Superman's parent as monsters. The details are right in front yet ignored.

[@MA7thsign]

Alfred's speech in this intro sounds wrong? Haven't seen this movie in a while but I could have sworn it was "hopelessness that turns good men cruel"?

[@ThronesTheory]

Nope it's powerlessness. I always thought it was an interesting choice

[@diaboli667]

Are people really that shallow with the „Martha“ scene or is This Just a 7 year joke for them to Not understand the context

[@rajuethfin455]

I love this movie.

[@joshuacampbell289]

I like how Maggie and Negan are Batman’s parents

[@isaacxcii4289]

Probably the most underrated DC movie

[@lincoln2324]

I don't think BvS is bad at all, in fact I think it's a great movie. But the problem is that it tries to do too much but for that I blame the studio and not Zack Snyder. The studio should have taken things more slowly and setting the DCEU more step by step with other standalone movies BEFORE BvS, like a flash movie or aquaman; this one could've taken place just in land with Arthur learn about himself, leaving the Atlantis for a sequel that ideally should've been the 2018 movie. Also a cyborg movie would've been perfect to explore the origins of the Mother Boxes 09:07 I disagree. In that moment batman realised that he was wrong about superman, he stops seeing him as a threat and starts to see superman as "human". Somehow that moment makes Bruce to have a little hope in his heart

[@1FaithMan1]

I wish those haters could watch BvS through my eyes and appreciate it's obvious and non-obvious perfection.

[@Cazz8203]

I absolutely loved this movie...I wish the extended cut was released in theaters initially though. Only real problems I had was the convoluted plot, and the fact that doomsday wasn't given a chance to keep morphing into his comic accurate form. And yeah the Martha thing wasn't my favorite decision story wise, but none of these things stopped me from having a blast in theaters. The fight between Batman and Superman was fantastic....the fight with doomsday still gives me goosebumps, especially when wonder woman makes her grand appearance and when superman drops in from space creating a sonic boom sound to show the trinity on screen for the first time. And I never had a problem with Jesse eisenberg . Sure I wish it would have been Bryan Cranston....but I've never cared for the lex luthor character, and liked seeing him portrayed differently than hackman or spacey. Cavill will always be my favorite version of my favorite comic book character and its very aggravating he wasn't able to continue and that Snyder wasn't able to finish his story. This movie was criminally over criticized. What a shame it's all over. F*** WB and F*** James Gunn

[@zobbie85]

To be completely honest. I loved BvS it's a great film and i love it.But the heads of WB at the time made a bad choice completely to have this film come out at the time it did. We needed Man of Steel 2 first,A Batman film then a Wonder woman film. They(WB) screw the whole trajectory of DC should be today

[@tmac731]

This is the movie misunderstood comic book movie of all time. I loved the theater version and the 3 hour version is even better

[@madmax4971]

It’s amazing the more I hear people speak on BvS and NO ONE gets Luther’s motivations. He literally outlines it during his speech. That knowledge is power but paradoxical when a god is among them which devalues all of Luther’s accomplishments. I liked it. Similar to Luther from all star explaining how he hated sups for never having earned any of his talents but I liked that BvS version really hit home for a super intellect like Luther.

[@daggy561]

PEAK Cinema, forever a classic

[@patrickperalta59]

I remember watching interview with Gal Gadot..answering Fans questions on youtube about her Role as Wonder Woman...one fan didn't feel she was right for the part and shockingly said she didn't have the figure Lynda Carter had and who played TV's Wonder Woman, the fan pointed out her Bust size being to small ... while a shocking question she did handle the question with Class.

[@ca18drifta1]

batman V Superman is a top 5 greatest DC movie OF ALL TIME

[@patfer1189]

FFS: it is not that they become friends because "they realize their moms have the same name". It's been 8 years. Can we stop it with that? That moment in the film is actually beautifully realized: up to that point Bruce had seen Clark as an alien who could turn on humanity at any point and, not being from this world, he would have no qualms destroying it all. During their fight, as Batman is close to killing him, Batman's mask is half broken showing both sides of the personality of Bruce: the man and the symbol. His 'human' half has glowing eyes the closer we get to the moment when he is about to kill Superman, showing how his rage has consumed him and he has become a beast. As he is about to kill Superman he hears a familiar name. In that second he realizes that there is more to Superman and that, after all, he has a connection to Earth. That just like he put on the suit to fight against the criminals that took his parents Superman cares for his mom as well, suddenly making him 'human' after all. Bruce's eye stops glowing as he realizes that, in that very moment, he has almost become the same as the one who took his parents from him. And if this mighty, all powerful being down on the floor is begging not for his life but rather for the life of his human mother, then maybe what Bruce thought of him was wrong. One characteristic of Snyder movies is that he doesn't spell everything for you like Marvel movies do. The is more subtext, symbolism, and giving audiences credit that they'll figure it out. The way subtle details are used in this scene to enhance the performances is great, but the point of the wasn't at all a "Our mothers are called the same?! High Five, bro!".

[@Cabal-ms3kb]

@8:58 It humanized Superman in Batman's eyes. It's not just "oh their mothers have same name, that's stupid."

[@powerguiller]

People criticize what they cannot appreciate and understand.

[@s1x6x1s]

for me, the most controversial thing in BvS was the casting for Luthor. movie-wise, MoS was the most controversial in WB's DCEU. 13:36 the additional 31 minutes in the Ultimate Edition add more context to the story than just violence. watching the theatrical version i felt some of the scenes don't connect smoothly, as if something was missing. they were remedied in the Ultimate Edition.

[@chasehedges6775]

MOS was decent, honestly

[@elishawilson5342]

There's nothing controversial about lex though he's based on Lex Luthor Jr from Superman birthright hence why he wouldn't shut up about his abusive Dad and why he does things the he does in this film Lex Luthor Sr was abusive and cruel to Jr and messed him up mentally

[@Nick-4K]

The original name for this movie was Dawn of Justice. But the execs made Zack put in the Batman and Superman part.

[@KevinMichaelFilms.]

Why is Joblo having some hack make this video who doesn’t even understand the most pivotal moment in the film. The Martha scene. It isn’t just because their moms had the same name 🥱🙄. All these years later and you still don’t understand such a simple scene. Bruce saw himself as the killer. He was becoming the one who killed his parents. That’s what stopped him. Not bc the Mom’s have the same name lmaoooo. It triggered a memory. The dude had ptsd.

[@00rabbit7]

The more I watch Succession the more I picture Roman Roy taking over Waystar and becoming this version of Lex, just like this movie implies there was a Lex senior who was abusive and cruel and probably the Lex that the fans were hoping for

[@3twelve206]

I liked this film in theory and believe it was just the wrong film for it’s time; releasing at the pinnacle of the MCU which set a tonal expectation for comic book movies. It was a contrast to the MCU that audiences just didn’t like. People watching it for the first time today appreciate it more. The Martha scene never worked for me though. Pivotal moments like that shouldn’t need constant justification and commentary. It clearly didn’t register with audiences. There were much better and obvious motivations than Martha…

[@jaesea323]

Imagine being such a loser you're still complaining about this movie, which was outstanding by the way. Especially the directors cut.

[@EternityFandom]

I don't know what others think about this film, I loved it very much. It has some issues but still it's one of the best CBM. The arc of characters throughout the trilogy is so satisfying. The acting, the cinematography, the music, the dialogues, the costumes everything was perfect. It depicted the society, the influence of media, the cruel and kind nature of humans brilliantly.