Joburg’s collapse of anti-ANC Moonshot Pact - “dit loop kak”, but insider Cronje offers hope

[@allisonfarah5146]

I am a huge fan of Frans Cronje. Thanks to Alec Hogg for having him on your podcast again. ❤🎉

[@Starro-d5l]

as a person of color, never thought i wud vote for afrikaaners but they are becoming the best option these biznews podcasts are vital - thank you Alec

[@dieontwerper8083]

Now we just need everyone else to vote for them!

[@jonye7511]

All good and well but do know your place in their tacit racial hierarchy. It's a habit i find many still struggle to shake.

[@allisonfarah5146]

I trust the Afrikaners more than any other group to get a job done. After all, they built this country in a first world country in a third world continent.

[@Starro-d5l]

@@jonye7511 i think many south africans still look through a lens of race, but all i can do is not mimic such thinking

[@Starro-d5l]

@@jonye7511 despite such faults, the afrikaaner leadership seems to be the most honest lot in the room.

[@faithswarts83]

The ANC must go please 😢

[@ignetiusrapelwana2208]

Dont be too desperate, you will get heart problems.

[@siyabongamazibuko7368]

I love this mans optimism ✊🏿

[@WayneKaminsky]

Alec... You are doing an incredible job in creating an excellent platform

[@vaughanza]

Please get the DA on the show and sort this out. DA are loosing voters now

[@samukelodzanibe9904]

They already lost mine

[@johncronje1555]

And me

[@paulredelinghuys7790]

The DA did the right thing. Why should they and their voters be coerced to fail with the PA again?

[@cherylvandermeulen6897]

Why?

[@straatcaveman7503]

@@cherylvandermeulen6897because they have given Joburg to the ANC, and are too stubborn to work with the PA. They want PA to stop working with ANC in other municipalities, yet the DA works with parties that also work with the ANC elsewhere.

[@gemaskerdeskedel5040]

Dr. Frans Cronje is such an intellectual giant

[@joesoap1765]

try -government schill!

[@christinefinniss6263]

Great interview with Dr. Cronje.🤙

[@Loadedopinions]

This guy is more informative than most comentators

[@FerderSBV]

This guy reads our political parties as if he can glean right into their brains

[@ralphwebster1831]

2 months ago the ANC couldn’t pay their staff salaries. Suddenly a Russian aircraft lands at Waterkloof and all the salaries are paid of the ANC . This analysis is omits the crude functioning of how the ANC corruption works

[@AnneliedeWet]

My goodness, you made a wild leap. Better start loving the Russians and Putin. Great leader, great nation...unless you are soaked like a bokkom in American disinformation and vitriole ... In the same way people believed Mandela is a terrorist and murderer, and when they became "disinformed, everyone wanted a selfie with him.

[@maryjooste6161]

Thy get money from Palistine and the terrorist organisation

[@JeanMichelGaud]

The problem is that DA has 2 centres of power, Helen and John respectively. John seems like he is willing to be pragmatic with regards to coalition deal-making. Helen’s “principled” approach and her control over the Federal Council is what is preventing any meaningful deal going through.

[@janetstead7032]

Big big problem.

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

Not according to them

[@olafnilsen1641]

It's not a deal if others steal

[@mariepistorius2333]

The DA still pushing vaccines for children too now? Clearly put of touch with the rest of the world

[@jamesfranco4464]

the problem is the smaller parties that think they can just horse trade for positions without respecting the fact that as the bigger party with the bigger mandate the DA is going to have more senior positions.

[@lolongubeni1748]

it is hugely frustrating but Frans offers data-driven perspectives. We hv to remain hopeful.

[@zleo9923]

Thank you, Alec, for keeping us up to speed on what's going on in SA. And thank you to Mnr Cronje and all the other honest politicians who are working so hard to get SA's ship onto the straight and level. I honestly think that, apart from Russia (which definitely needs to be reassessed and engaged from a position of strength - we don't want Wagner operating here in South(ern) Africa as they have been operating in e,g., Central African Republic)....I honestly think that SA is one of the hopeful, positive places in the world today.

[@caesar3909]

The DA has repeatedly been called out by the rest of the opposition, at this point it is pretty obvious that the DA's approach towards coalition needs some major readjusting & a big part of that includes relieving Helen of all her responsibilities. She has sadly become a liability.

[@RG-jr8ym]

A new party just strolls in and demands to be the mayor thats where the problem is..

[@carlosdesousa6712]

100% agree

[@JF-NG]

People seems to forget the PA is the one making all the demands. The DA asked them to make a public statement of commitment and they refused. They want to leave the backdoor open to flip flop if a better deal or brown envelope comes along. The DA did the right thing and people should stop listen to liars like ActionSA and the PA.

[@Deontjie]

The cANCer just offers the smaller party bribes to fall in line. Like in Port Elizabeth where they created an expensive assistant mayor's post. And the smaller parties does not have a problem to pig out on tax-payer's money.

[@JF-NG]

Yup, the PA are more like the Mafia than a political party, with there extortion tactics. Its time voters stop empowering these criminal gangsters.

[@gerarddeclerck3939]

Hopefully Frans Cronje can act as a facilitator to bring these parties together.

[@jackbotman]

I think it's more important to bring people together, but politics is likely the only starting point at this rate

[@galloping_granny]

DA should take all the support it can get to realise the Moonshot Pact. They can't be dictators. We have had enough of that since 1910

[@JF-NG]

People seem to listen to loudest liars around. We should keep in mind that the DA asked the PA for a public statement of commitment and they refused. So the DA decide they dont want to get into bed with a dishonest bunch of criminals and everyone blames them. The DA handled this all exactly correctly, and they should stay far away from the PA and should not trust ActionSA.

[@maryjooste6161]

The DA is well organised intellectual

[@gemavisaservices5720]

Thanks for the insight. Very interesting indeed.

[@matthewjohn1569]

I cant believe there are still ANC supporters left.

[@sonofsoweto]

😂 human beings are complex, I can't believe that there are still neo nazis in the world

[@matthewjohn1569]

@@sonofsoweto I suppose to be irrational is the human condition

[@stachelschwein6539]

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[@veluccivelluccimusiker4340]

me neither BLINDFOLDS TRENDING 😂 😂 😂

[@revolution475]

It's quite simple actually, not so long ago the ANC gave people houses, electricity, water, proper sanitation, grants (disability, old pay, children etc.), School nutrition, hospitals and clinics, NSFAS & other bursaries, it actually gave them hope. I don't expect these people to shift loyalties quick even under the worst of circumstances. Opposition parties just need to work as beat as they can to present a compelling case to the millions of non voters, who are only registered by the way.

[@elmapollard4238]

Hopeful thank you. Important to remember the progress despite the frustrations.

[@motsopemotaung9491]

Very insightful and Dynamic analysis well Done Alec and Dr Cronje

[@MrT-un6py]

Helen and DA must stop their JUDAS actions. Get the majority with the PA. Think of us South Africans not of the DA. KISSIMMIC

[@paulredelinghuys7790]

Judas. The PA is working with the ANC country wide and caused the coalition breakdown. Another smokkel coalitions wasn’t an option and Joburg needs to wait and vote for change.

[@edmundwessels2072]

The DA is a Jewish party anyway. Give them a chance and they will jump into bed with the ANC to protect Western interests. The other smaller parties like Action SA and FF+ show much more cooperation and willingness to work together for a better South Africa for South Africans.

[@JF-NG]

The PA are the problem, the PA keep coming making with more demands. The DA asked for a simple public statement of commitment and they refused. The DA ruling with a gun to their head is not acceptable. The DA must stay faraway from the flip flop criminal PA.

[@Rustie_za]

@@edmundwessels2072 are you on crack?

[@garynass2033]

Impartial statistics, reason, truth and open fact based dialog. Biznews (Alec) and Frans I am one of your biggest fans, where would we be without you guys!!! Thank you and keep up the great work!!!

[@vik4741]

Well all coalition partners are pointing fingers at the DA, I think it's becoming clear who the problem is

[@jonye7511]

Allowing the PA into the fold simply opens the backdoor for the ANC. Check all past interactions between the DA and PA.

[@vik4741]

@@jonye7511 Lol so it's better to just give the ANC coalition the victory then? Does that make sense to you?

[@everettjenkinshowoldareyou6132]

OPEN YOUR EYES THE REAL PROBLEM IS GENERAL 26 KOREBLE GAYTON MCKENXIE WHO'S LOVE FOR MONEY CLESRLY WILL CAUSE HIS DOWNFALL AS WELL AS THE DOWNFALL OF SOUTH AFRICA POLITICS AND THE RULING OF A COUNTRY IS NOT A POWER EGO IN JAIL WICH FAILY YOU NEED TO SURVIVE IF HE WORKS WITH THE DA HE WILL STILL SURVIVE HE WILL NOT BE A POLITICAL DOLLER BILLIONAIR BUT HE IS TO STUPID TO RELIZE THIS A REAL TRULY SOUTH AFRICAN MOEGOE A BREED BETWEEN TO FOTEIGNERS NOT EVEN SOUTH AFRICAN PARENT THIS IS WHAT YOU GET IF A IRUSH BEED WITH A CHINESE A STUPID SELF CENTERED JELLIE FISH

[@vik4741]

@Jasonv van Heerden That is funny because the DA clearly works with UDM and UIM in Nelson Mandela Bay and those parties also work with the ANC. Where are the ethics when it comes to those coalitions?

[@JF-NG]

There are good and bad coalition partners and the DA should stay far away from the PA. They a demanding dishonest bunch of criminals. The DA asks them for a simple public statement of commitment and they refused. The DA did the right thing and the should also watch out for ActionSA as they seem to also be a bunch of disappointing liars.

[@goldenlion647]

He certainly gives me hope in my people despite the ANC criminals.

[@benbester4233]

Dr Cronje make so much sense here. I agree with him that the DA must be careful that they will not loose more support in this process, unless they start to act in the interest of all South Africans. Leadership always inspire people, currently the better leaders are in smaller parties!!!

[@helenduplessis4166]

Too many personalities and egos... not sure the opposition parties have the will to work together... They all have their own little agendas...

[@firstcomment749]

SA is in a coalition learning curve + there's unfortunately no way out of it. Those who want to be part of it, have to soldier on

[@LindaUys-i1z]

Indeed Very interesting . Thanks for putting me in the loop

[@1986aurora]

The ANC has become a country of its own, they r south Africa, us citizens r only paying the taxes abf suffering for it.... Doesn't matter wat race u r, where u live, ur job, anything, reality is we r nothing in this country as citizens. We all need a change. We need a party to rule that will actually include us and respect us. Anc is a island of their own.

[@annsnetler6510]

The ANC are all criminals

[@marlenetassone8140]

Frans Cronje for President for South Africa. We need him.

[@Alias-gy3tz]

Anybody and everybody who still votes for the ANC deserves what is coming their way. Unfortunately you are dragging the rest of us down with you. Make no mistake... life will be pure hell if the cANCer remains in power. I blame the ANC voters.

[@mbusosiera1648]

In negotiations you compromise, the ANC compromised a lot at the codesa negotiations but the DA can't lead,can't negotiate and can't compromise for the better of South Africa Mashaba is a better unifier and negotiator who respects other political parties

[@vetpara]

I absolutely cannot stand John Steenhuisen and the DA. Ignorance and arrogance are a terrible mix.

[@lillyteggin710]

Agree

[@tonitappous2422]

You have the wrong impression of the DA. Have you seen Mac G's recent Podcast with John Steenhuisen on KZbin? It is a real eye-opener with workable solutions to many of the critical challenges facing SA, today, including electricity, load- shedding, unemployment, poverty, crime,, policing, BEE, education, land reform, social housing and property ownership for poor people! ( read the inspiring comments, over half a million views!)

[@vetpara]

@@tonitappous2422, fantastic podcast and outstanding rhetoric... all of which is utterly useless when you find your bum in the opposition benches. That is my main issue with the DA. They genuinely prefer to sit and kick and scream from the opposition benches... no serious ambition to lead or be in government. Bunch of children who swam for the c team.

[@tonitappous2422]

@@vetpara I disagree completely. The first prize for the DA and for our beautiful country which barely works anymore, would be an outright majority for the DA in the 2024 polls. The DA definitely wants to win outright and to save SA! But it relies on your vote to be able to do so!! The DA difference is clearly seen across the country where the DA governs with a majority eg Western Cape , Midvaal, Kouga and more recently uMngeni.. See " Chris Pappas : The KZN mayor who threatens the ANC ", Daily Maverick. The second prize would be a DA led Rainbow Coalition/ Moonshot Pact at a national level , with a strong DA to provide clear direction and the skills needed to fix our broken country. The problem is that ActionSA ( a DA break - away party) is more obsessed with unseating the DA as the Official Opposition than it is about unseating the ANC!! The real trouble - makers in the Rainbow Coalition are Action SA and also the PA. The PA routinely flip flops and betrays the DA (and the Rainbow Coalition) just to get the best positions for itself. The DA is correct to be wary of such a political party .See "How accusations of 'arrogance' gave cover to the ANC's power grab in Joburg ", Politicsweb. We truly need a strong DA for a better future for our country and for the future of our children. Surely you can see this? Only the DA is experienced and honest enough to fix the mess and very deep crises that we face as a country on very many levels! See " Leon Schreiber: DA now draws the most support in urban SA ", Businesslive.

[@vetpara]

@@tonitappous2422, that is great... but it is completely unrealistic and slightly ignorant in my view. In 2019 the DA lost to CR17 on the left and the FF+ on the right. They panicked and kicked out their only chance of transforming and hence chance of ruling with an outright majority. Ironically, if you see the amount of support ActionSA got from six municipalities, people believe and want to vote for a non-racial, representative, capitalist party who have a pro-poor but fishing rod instead of a fish approach. No one can argue that the DA governs well and cleanly, but they represent and have transformed really poorly. In my view, they are confusing a big piece of the WC vote as being pro-DA and are neglecting that a big portion of it could be anti-ANC (They did the same thing in 2017 with the anti-Zuma gains). In other words, perhaps the colored community felt that they were better represented by the DA than the ANC. It would be ignorant not to expect a big swing towards Gayton McKenzie and the PA, since he would surely represent the colored community even better than the DA. I suspect the DA will need to learn to play nicely with the PA, or they could risk losing the WC.

[@beckieknight6184]

I could never, ever understand this!! WHY don't all the other parties flippin' stand together??

[@herbtuck1481]

Because flippin Helen is a liar

[@tomsawyer4321]

Okay so our press is free. Problem is that a single cursory glance at news24 for example and you realize that they may be free but the problem is the bias. If I read one more article by Adriaan Basson arguing for the "good ANC" I am going to take it upon myself to find him and then kick him swiftly in the nuts.

[@paulredelinghuys7790]

I agree 100%. Unfortunately Alec is showing severe bias and you can see he wants to change what the DA is doing. He talks more about the DA with Herman and Gayton than with the DA 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@JF-NG]

Both of you are 100% correct. Free but very bias, even here with BizNews.

[@liveinwisdom3610]

I am done with the Democratic alliance. Either Action SA or FF+ in 2024. DA is just playing politics, with peoples lives. They handed Joburg on a silver platter back to Al Jamah.

[@JF-NG]

You should be careful who you listen to. The PA came with a long list of demands and the DA asked for a simple public statement of commitment and they refused. The DA did the right thing. They cant rule with the PA holding a gun to their heads and ActionSA constantly lying about everything. What we should be doing is doubling down on our vote for the DA so we can neutralise these small pathetic dishonest parties.

[@peacefulheart1431]

Please get Helen Zille on the show & challenge her to the DA actions.... She is the ruler in the DA.

[@paulredelinghuys7790]

It’s not a autocracy and she isn’t the leader.

[@revolution475]

No man, her coming to the show will not make any difference on the ground, which is what the people of Joburg care about.

[@JF-NG]

Helen coming on the show would be great. She always has some great back story information and context that we never get from the media.

[@revolution475]

@@JF-NG everyone comes to the media with a story, context, and their party interests. Enough talk! They must fix the coalition and manage the richest city in Africa well. ...people who have never voted in their lives and those who have abstained for a long time are not convinced by the rainbow coalition. We will lose to the ANC next year if this bickering doesn't stop

[@JF-NG]

@@revolution475 i mostly agree but, perception vs reality is the biggest problem here, were you perceive bickering the reality is actually Mafia style extortion by smaller parties like the PA. We not talking about minor disagreements on who should be major, we talking about a micro party coming with a long list of demands, sayings if we dont get what we want we voting with the ANC. AND on top of that we also giving you no commitment of loyalty, and will go where we please. Then you have ActionSA using the PA Mafia against the DA calling them arrogant looking to win cheep votes off the DA, instead of focusing on taking votes off the ANC and EFF. The DA can see what they doing and saying start playing nice or get lost. And this is exactly the right move when faced by such mafia extortion tactics and back stabbing. Now its the voters that need to wake up and stop voting for such rubbish micro parries and rather double down on the DA and give the a real shot. Us voters are the only ones that can neutralise the power of these micro parties.

[@lieslhenning2275]

PA votes in Al Jamal the first time and then does it again??? Come on he is playing games not the DA

[@mtblover]

DA is not doing what it proclaims.

[@vut_zarco]

17:19 Best point - DA needs to focus on the black vote

[@JF-NG]

Spot on, the DA needs to focus on moderate voters in the middle. Regardless of language and race, and the biggest voter block that makes up the moderate middle is the black moderates, that are mostly made up of patriotic descent rational people. They just need convincing and something to believe in.

[@dannyarcher6370]

Maybe the black vote should be less racist.

[@mdumakhosini6128]

Always spot on

[@etiennejoubert7461]

We have a long way to go in my experience. I've spent more than a decade working with metros, municipalities, large organisations and communities. Experience taught me that the agreements between sociopolitical structures and the business community are very fluid. This is mostly because communities lack stable socio-political leadership structures. These structures are mostly driven by personal interest groups. The moment they do not see any direct short term benefit for them, they break the agreement. If members of such socio-political structure lose trust that they will benefit, you have a breakaway. Strong coalitions depend on trust and stability. Trust between the parties and stability in leadership. Other than in the Cape Provence we lack such stability. Hence my conclusion that we have a long way to go and 2024 does not see the South African socio political landscape maturing to this level.

[@kirkenicker3136]

Why would anyone in their right mind want to go after any support of the ANC? Go after people that have never voted before. Go out and do the leg work. If you want support, go and convince people to vote.

[@sydneymiles3779]

All of opposition MUST take hands and fix our Mzansi.

[@nathanragovan6329]

DA gonna get "PK"... John Helen and Co.... you will have on your resumes "freely and soberly we gave away that which we once had and enjoyed" the once mighty ANC polled at 70% look at them now.... DA your time has come...you're that spoilt child on the playing field not wanting to get along with others and boom one day you realize you're not the cool kid anymore.... dit loop kak, maar die kak gaan loop ( I'm slightly upset)

[@hendriklombard2254]

Frans Cronje should be an advisor to the opposition parties and they should accept his advice and follow his guidance

[@markmars1587]

Good and interesting discussion 🇬🇧

[@betssteyn-vd9sq]

Thank you give the DA a go please he will show you a thing 🎉

[@carlosdesousa6712]

Can't even get it right in Joburg, but want to win nationally 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😁

[@tonitappous2422]

A strong DA is in the best interests of our country. The DA difference is best seen where the DA governs with a strong mandate. See " Chris Pappas : The KZN mayor who threatens the ANC ", Daily Maverick.

[@marynadewet4634]

Ass long as the politicians talk sense, and not toss around "word salads" they might achieve something!! Let's hope!!

[@leonterblanche1718]

Brilliant!

[@del-marmare1646]

This gives me hope

[@madeleinedonaldson4422]

There is just one thing we must all bear in mind! Cape Town is well run.There is law and order there and things work! Except for loadshedding which is ANC.Compared to the rest of the Country, the Cape is a proof that DA can Govern.However, I don't believe in one central Government Let's go back to small town living and each community run their own Towns We get zero service from the ANC

[@nonjikocyril4274]

Haibo is Cape Town municipality only the city? What about the pathetic state of black and coloured townships? Please spare us that selective observation

[@KaizerSauzer]

Langa etc have the highest murder rate even more than a war zone

[@herbtuck1481]

@@nonjikocyril4274 these people think they dealing with fools this one hasn’t been to none white areas and they come and say Cape Town is well run

[@viking1246]

We need Niel de Beer from UIM,to speak the truth Alec

[@marieslabbert6009]

I cannot understand why the DA leadership's arrogance to just want to dictate to the smaller parties. A real leader, or statesman, will be able to get them all together through accommodating negotiations. No wonder the other parties do not trust the DA and it is not growing, because of that traditional "baas" attitude.

[@ObelixBarbatus]

I fully understand why the DA is loathe to enter into any kind of pact with the opportunistic PA. But, politics makes for very strange bedfellows. If the DA is serious about the "moonshot" pact, it will have to accept loathesome partnerships AND be willing to sacrifice important portfolios, even the mayoral position. Come on! The DA leadership can't be that stupid, can it? Can it? Yes it can and is!

[@willieerasmus9028]

Well said again, DA doesn't see the big picture, they are going to lose my vote. It is all about doing better and not ideal but a step towards better governance.

[@JF-NG]

There is nothing better about involving the PA. They keep coming with demands and the DA asked them for a simple public statement of commitment and they refused. They want to keep the door open for a better deal. The DA did the right thing and they cant rule with a gun to their head.

[@xIOnites]

When it comes to getting the job done, colour really doesn't matter! Cronje is on point!

[@MarkVenkaysamy]

This DA is being unreasonable towards the coalition they would rather loose the coalition I have voted all my life for DA rather go with Action SA or PA. Da catch a wake up please

[@christophervan6966]

Steenhuisen is a problem child.

[@7herman1]

I love Frans Cronje.

[@christinefinniss6263]

Coalition ANC, EFF and PA. Gayton McKenzie wants to be Mayor of JHB.

[@stlouisix3]

Alec Hogg and Frans Cronje would be better presidents and deputy presidents than perhaps all of the politicians😂😂😂

[@viking1246]

Frans is a man of trurh

[@jsdutoit85]

What a legend dr Cronje

[@pupthelovemonkey]

So let me get this straight, people are suffering, infrastructure is completely collapsing in the city. But we should still be patient and wait for the politicians to talk it out and work out the coalition system? imo Lack of urgency from the DA and ANC is one of the main reasons things are falling apart and if we want to see change we might need a bit of chaos , but of course we won't talk about that because extremist options are anathema to centrist proponents like Cronje right?

[@roryfreeman9433]

There are NO moderate ANC members!

[@paulredelinghuys7790]

Alec ASA’s smokkel coalition with the PA isn’t an option as are the ANC and are working together across the country. Herman is too big headed and if he isn’t coercing the DA he is bad mouthing them. Joburg was not a burning platform and elections are coming. Start being a journalist and interview all parties and preferably together. You have currently been skinnering with Herman and Gayton about the DA with all the cliches. #journalism

[@andrewworrall4302]

DA are on the right path to losing the WC

[@jackbotman]

I'm befuddled, in a country that is blatantly failing, these petty people would still pursue their own interests at the expense of everyone else.

[@Jitesh_Dayal]

Coalition meetings must be done on live stream. Let voters decide.

[@christinevandermerwe-gl2sm]

YES!!!

[@JF-NG]

That would be fun, and then we dont need to listen to liars like Herman Mashaba telling stories.

[@herbtuck1481]

There’s nothing wrong with Herman Mashaba the problem is Helen she’s the liar you people must get one thing in your heads the DA will never be majority party in South Africa

[@JF-NG]

@@herbtuck1481 I challenge you to find an example of Helen being caught lying, maybe in her long career you will find one, but I doubt it. Herman constantly lies, telling long stories and completely miss representing what really happened, while trying to blame the DA. ActionSA are a major disappointment, they a directionless clown show, driving off a cliff in their clown car try to blame the DA for the direction they drove as they crash and burn.

[@magrietguthrie8661]

I am not a political person, but I think there is to many parties, trying to make a name for themselves, unite together South Africa, or yous will all fall into a black hole, look up, to the light, forget about the past, we all depend on the future, stand together, multiple colour's Good luck.

[@novelakengwilingwili4080]

What is currupt about paying people's salaries?

[@ChrisPotgieter]

Bye bye DA 🎉

[@Tonythebomb-xk1pv]

What a fool.

[@themalejodietaylor2599]

Correction Alec. John Steenhuisen is leader in name only.

[@fezilenjokweni1274]

Balanced arguments...

[@peterkeryakokka3041]

Why are the opposition paties Not campaigning singly or together when decisive elections are around the corner?

[@luthandondarala6270]

Preach.

[@thabomazwayi4422]

Facts are powerful. 400 years on SA is still progressing strong...the next ten years from now 😊😊😊won't be anything like the current. ❤❤❤

[@thulanelindazaukana4643]

The best coallition will be that of the ANC and the DA....bcos combined they can make up over 60% of the votes....however they can devide municipalities amongst themselves...it will bring stability and it will get things done to have many parties fighting over mayorship and ring instability to municipality...

[@paulredelinghuys7790]

I think the 2nd worst 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@johnlivanos5411]

My advice to all the young people that can leave , leave ASSP .

[@cherylvandermeulen6897]

Young people with young children, us old ballies, will just have to look after ourselves.

[@itslogical8459]

@@cherylvandermeulen6897 😂😂😂

[@jamesfranco4464]

9:55 don't give the ANC any ideas.

[@louhenry3127]

If the opposition party leadership don't care nough to amalgamate into a single opposition party, with the potential to rule, why should voters support them? In addition, the ANC is likely to remain in power until such time as the opposition matures.

[@pieterr.vandermerwe756]

Can someone tell the DA - for all the good they do - just tell them from a pure leadership facilitative perspective is to get over their complex of wanting to call all the shots. They need to get with the narrative that it is a collective effort.

[@juliawitt3813]

No one ever went to the moon.....😂😂😂 What can we expect from the DA....

[@andriesolivier1307]

At this point in time the DA needs to be very careful what they do. Every step they take should be well debated in their own ranks. I am at a point where I considering shifting my support. What percentage of ANC supporters still believe that if they vote for DA that "appartheid" will return. This is a point that must be reitterated. SA is now a democratic country and appartheid will not be brought back. I believe that a huge percentage is scared that it will happen. I feel that a bigger than a third of the ANC could vote otherwise. Thank you for your platform and bring people in the know to talk to us. Keep it up.

[@cherylvandermeulen6897]

I have been very interested in what Frans Cronje says, but and I say but the reason black voters will not support any white party, and we have seen this in the coalition’s, the one thing that the white voters do not take into consideration is that the black culture is so different to our way of thinking and we are seeing this with the Putin debacle.

[@princepilane]

Best comment of the day... you’ve started connecting the dots. Even some of us so called “coconuts” or “clever blacks” as madam Zille calls us 😅... tried the whole non racial politics thing... joined and voted DA?😅. And then we saw what happened to Lindiwe Mazibuko, Patricia de Lille, Mmusi Maimane, Phumzile Van Damme, Mbali Ntuli... and the list goes on and on 😂 Now the entire top leadership of the DA is pure white, when whites only make 7% of the population... or only one third of DA voters... huh 😌🤷‍♂️ The DA taking a public stance to say they’ll arrest a leader of a country that supported our parent’s struggle for liberation... from a government that tried to de-legitimize our existence...🧐🤔🙆‍♂️ That was a major software update in our heads☝️😌 If you can’t even convince someone like me who has assimilated to a lot of western ideas...😂 Lol... I just don’t know 🤣😂😅🤷‍♂️ I’ve seen the light and have been forced to remember who and what I am... I’m going back home, where I belong

[@pinnacleinfinity9211]

The DA are doing nothing to clean the mess that statement made, even though by now, it is clear, by the countless interviews of people attesting to the fact that Russia is one of the main players who assisted black South Africa with liberation, they simply don't care, this posture doesn't look good, and poor Alan Winde, he allowed himself to be sucked in, to matters of international relations, national policing issue's, and the list goes on, he is a Provincial government leader, Steenhuisen was out taking pictures and trips to Ukraine, when it's time to make announcements of arrests, the buck gets passed to poor Alan, shame on them for bullying the poor man into doing something so silly, it is him, who has to walk around with this stench.

[@gino.x]

I think that SA needs a few political groupings to offer people a better choice. My options would be (1) an ANC aligned coalition (2) a DA aligned coalition (3) an EFF aligned coalition and (4) An Afrikaner aligned coalition. The 4th option may seem a bit odd, but I believe that the DA had the opportunity to provide Afrikaners that option, but for some reason, they digressed, and their arrogance and refusal to compromise is a real weakness. I would also split the ANC and the EFF as they need to be independent so that they can stick to the mandate of their supporters.

[@brunoklynsmith9169]

Most Afrikaners probably already vote DA.

[@ignetiusrapelwana2208]

Alot of people are going to be shocked and disappointmented come 2024. Thereafter, they will pack their bags to the greater Western World bitter as gall. The people are angry with the ANC, but not as angry as YOU are!!!! Either way, South Africa will be 12th strongest global economy by 2035.

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

Maybe type a coherent message next time?

[@shanaazabrahams1319]

In your dreams

[@itslogical8459]

There are way more countries than 12. Right now sa is fighting zim for the 52nd position

[@basedsigma5634]

Hes dreaming if he thinks pan africanists will ever have a colonial master. They will rather eat dust.

[@MakhosazaneKoloane]

Labelungu abazi bakhuluma ngani

[@shaunsam1013]

The f DA is to blame. You all know it. Helen Zille must go. HERMAN MASHAABA FOR PRESIDENT, GAYTON FOR VICE

[@RastaAfricanGentleman]

Very nice and indepth discussion indeed. My question though would be, why do we think the fall of the ANC is attributed to the rise of other parties? If I remember properly, the last election had the lowest turnout ever because fed-up ANC voters decided not to vote, it was never a matter that they decided to vote for other parties. Yes the DA is very technical in their strategies and are really on to something but I fear they undermine the most important vote which is the township voters, that is where the numbers are situated

[@roryfreeman9433]

The book of Mugabe - the fragmentation of multiple opposition parties, applied by anc now, they love it

[@azizpatel]

I really like Dr Cronje's analyses. However, I would like to ask him one question: How can the DA practically court the "one-third of the centrists in the ANC," as you put it? Is it by putting up black candidates? If so, then that contradicts what you said earlier, and that is, that "this one-third of the moderates among the ANC voters don't care about the colour of the skin of the person standing for elections?" Unless you have some other ideas in mind in terms of policy issues, etc, and not merely the race issue. I would be delighted if you could respond to my question. Thank you

[@Potjie57]

With the fragmented outlook of political parties forming a government as in the outlook of frans cronje, it looks like it's going to be a 'Loop Kak' situation well into the future, will anything effectively be achieved in such a scenario.

[@sandramace648]

I wont vote for Helen zilLa

[@Rustie_za]

Nobody wants to compromise, The DA wants their cake and eat it. They will have to allow concessions to let other people into this alliance - even if they concede on some level. You cannot expect everybody to give up on power and not to expect to also give in themselves.

[@viking1246]

Please get niel de ɓeer on the sho

[@VOETSEKANC]

Everybody in opposition wants to be chief