Zille calls 'Hokaai' on SA optimism post-2024: Nelson Mandela Bay an example of political chaos

Iron Lady of SA Politics, Helen Zille, has sounded a warning on growing blind optimism of South Africa post-ANC rule - ie what awaits after the 2024 National Election where the ANC is likely to lose control of a Parliament it has governed for 28 years. While Zille says the DA is working hard to bring the ANC to well under 50% of the national vote, she warns that this on its own is not a panacea. She says the experience in Nelson Mandela Bay, where nine tiny parties hold the balance of power, is a warning. In this wide-ranging interview with Alec Hogg of BizNews, Zille also discusses recent by-election results; Dr Frans Cronje's insights into how opposition parties could recruit disaffected ANC voters, and the UK's three year ban on Bain and Co over its role in South African State Capture.

[@dusty-lynnbristol519]

Helen Zille articulates South African politics brilliantly 👏 she is so dedicated to South Africa and I hope her deep knowledge and experience helps us through this next chapter of coalitions

[@billhartley7469]

Hellen Zille is solid as a rock!

[@gbone7581]

Helen Rocks!

[@tonitappous2422]

Brilliant analysis and words of wisdom fromHelen Zille. SA is very lucky to have a person of such outstanding quality, capability and experience , working tirelessly day and night to fix our broken country so as to set it back on the path of prosperity and good fortune once again!!

[@ARenewedmind]

Dream on!

[@gailnel8812]

Agreed 🙏🙏💯

[@RobertEarlMylroie]

Can't agree more!

[@RobertEarlMylroie]

​@@ARenewedmindcan you do better than her??

[@joeferreira657]

No BS lady leadership, just tells it like it is. Put good team together that worked very well. Passion for better country.

[@Tinker8531]

By promoting grants instead of jobs. Someone like that has no love for the people of SA, expect her kind.

[@heersrivastava2635]

Love this lady!

[@pierrenemolander4446]

Since 1998 I worked for Water Ms Zille Politics I'm Still working Educating SA Citizens Good To See You Still working Too Preventing Thieves From our poor Citizens and Cadres From Destroying our Country Further

[@cobusbrits2]

Wish there was more of these platforms where Helen could air this political realities.

[@mossfairy3060]

She needs to be invite on DJ Sbu podcast

[@eisbeinGermany]

But she's biggest reason why DA lost so much support under black people after her TV interview few years ago, even white people lost hope in DA,

[@paultheunissen615]

Alot of wisdom being shared with regards to coalitions. What she is saying is very logical and makes alot of sense.

[@eisbeinGermany]

But she's biggest reason why DA has so little support under black people after her TV interview she had few years ago, even white people lost hope in DA

[@ralphwebster8318]

Helen speaks with such consistency. So agree with her thinking. She see voters as "customers" and she knows no business can survive without service delivery to it's "customers"

[@houseking1000]

You tell them Helen! I voted for you!

[@pesselanunda5494]

Very pragmatic and level headed. Excellent politician. South Africans must be proud regardless which political party they support.

[@davidsteytler4268]

She still understands politics better than most.

[@patriciakimworsley9315]

I could listen to Helen all day, she makes so much sense, she is the best in this country!

[@hudsonchalmers6504]

Helen is a most amazing Lady and person.

[@Kleva_Pmlani]

She is a treasure to South Africa

[@hlits6310]

What an intelligent lady I would love to have the chance to vote for unlike some of the other buffoons that are around

[@fanamalindi6183]

I also think the ANC is trying to interfere at Thembisa right now. Take it all Helen

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Without a doubt. Instead of trying to outperform the DA, they try to destroy people working to fix the problems.

[@conorgraafpietermaritzburg3720]

Very good

[@john-ht6cc]

Viva DA viva

[@Sandy-iq3oy]

Helen for president.

[@ianwilliams7364]

Government grants and hand-outs are the road to ruin. If & when SASSA defaults, millions of people will go hungry and chaos will ensue. We already see the unfair tax regime steadily falling behind what is needed for a state that should be much smaller.

[@ARenewedmind]

@Ian Williams. You only call " government grants the road to ruin" if you have no realisation that, the world over, governments pay "grants" to their citizens who have been taxpayers all their lives. To land in old age, through circumstances not always of one's own making, in a situation where you have to apply for an "older persons grant" (less than R2000pm) is not a handout but fair after paying your dues during your working life. The real shame are on those citizens who lie about their income and disguise their assets to receive a older person grant when they could sell assets to support themselves. They rob those who really are indigent old people. As far as disability grant goes, it is disgusting how little disabled people receive from the government in this country when there are not enough facilities where disabled people can earn a living. I do have a problem with certain child grants and think it is rewarding teenage pregnancies, but then, isn't that what ANC want, social engineering in a way. As far as the R350 goes, it is too little to actually help anyone survive and I think that it can be abused by dishonest people, who have never paid income tax. Food stamps would be more targeted. If a government is not stealing taxpayers money, then grants won't ruin the economy.

[@patriciastclair765]

Very good 👍

[@pamelaleibowitz3019]

Highly intelligent and articulate.

[@lordwickphophi6998]

How i wish Hellen was our president. This country could've been a better place than what it is now. Most of 'political analysts' hate her because she's smarter than them. They just hate her colour, competence and hands-on approach in whatever she does.

[@basilrichards4205]

Romney is so quiet about his former employer Bain .....Romney is a disgrace to American politics

[@thomasgosling5155]

One very smart lady

[@dorrienvenables3057]

It seems like when ActionSA is not taking on board former disgruntled DA members, then it is taking on some former dodgy ANC cadres. It appears that the honeymoon period is over for the party in the eyes of the electorate. Why is it not looking to new talent elsewhere, or is this the best that it can attract..

[@angelabaxter6298]

Thank you DA Elections in 22 months Vote for coalition gowerment

[@mambaman9363]

What a question to ask if the government shouldn’t be informed about Bain and its corruption. It’s a question of values. We’ve seen hundreds of incidences of corruption and behaviour where ANC politicians have done the most unbelievable things - in Britain they’d be out on their ears. In South Africa they get promoted and deployed.

[@anon-tlv3399]

USA: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses - I will make them into a superpower". ANC: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses - I will make them miss the prosperity of Zimbabwe"

[@Joshua-xf9ev]

Us in Mkhondo (Piet Retief) Mpumalanga just saw how terrible a independent candidate can be. Just as bad as the ANC, got us into R200 million debt with eskom but still managed to buy up tons of property in the town for himself.

[@MrT-un6py]

Guaranted ANC and DA coalition. This lady is rocking the boat. Watch her eye movement when she speaks.

[@eisbeinGermany]

As good as she can speak she a big reason why so many people lost hope in DA after her TV interview few years ago, many black people stopped support DA because of what she said in the interview

[@RodneyErnstzen]

What did she say .

[@danitarenecle1150]

How are we going to get talk show hosts and journalists to listen to this Alec? And how can we get them to go to workshops to understand the experience Helen Zille has to share?

[@maracherekepadisa6833]

DA's "DA get things done " campaign is really needed in North-West especially the western part, which has turned to be extremely impoverished, dry and in tatters

[@mossfairy3060]

We need you to be the president of SA

[@christopherwalker1157]

John Steenhuisen will be the president

[@Tinker8531]

Hell no. that one only looks after one race, the rest of us she wants to keep on grants.

[@mossfairy3060]

@@Tinker8531 what nonescene,do some research about her then come back to me.

[@Intothelight1981]

I can't help wondering how it helps to "hold their feet to the fire" because as Zille said, there are a whole range of companies involved in state capture. Clearly holding feet to the fire served very little purpose.

[@stevenmaritz2681]

What is your alternative proposition?

[@alelooooooya]

Super interesting information here

[@wellinever1558]

Helen signed or assisted in getting SA the Magnitsky Act why is this not being applied to the Bain capture.

[@tinustredoux4855]

They say democracy is not perfect, but it is by far the best form of government available today. Also, the DA may not be perfect, but its by far the best viable alternative to the ANC. We don’t know which ANC is going to pitch up at the election in 2024. Their elective conference later this year may give us clues. I believe the party unity that CR have tried to forge (and sold his soul and principles for), is largely a myth now. So, either of a few things can happen: - If the RET faction and ‘Taliban’ of KZN can somehow put forward a candidate that can achieve a majority (by whatever means possible), that is likely to be the end of the party. The large core of thinking and principled supporters left in the movement will rather abstain than throw in their lot with the horrors this may bring. - Another possibility is that CR or a likeminded candidate wins the candidacy for president. The other faction will only up its efforts to undermine him/her, which they are doing already, relentlessly. Will they vote for this candidate? It remains to be seen. Whatever happens, expect a great many supporters to abstain or switch their support. In both these outcomes I will be surprised if the ANC gets more than 30%. So even in coalition with the EFF, democracy should be safe. Ms Zille is right, even if the ANC lose their majority in 2024 its still going to be an uphill struggle for the good people of SA. We have seen in the WC, in Tshwane and recently in Umngeni the spoiler tactics they make use of. Something else, the large army of cadre deployees will still be in place. Are they suddenly, magically going to support a new coalition government? Also, the harm that will be caused if legislation such as EEB, more BEE, EWC gets passed before 2024 is immense. They should be delayed at all costs. There are two large blocks of voters waiting to be captured by the right party. That of the youth that thus far have not seen party politics as a solution to their dire situation. And that of the disillusioned ex-ANC supporters who will not vote for the ANC anymore and have not found other parties on offer attractive enough. Here lies the rub, who can attract those? Only time will tell.

[@fullmetaltheorist]

You points are very accurate. The cadres are destroying the anc and all we have to do is watch as they kick themselves out of power. Gauteng is definitely not going to be run by the anc anymore and since other provinces will be looking to see how well it does in the coming years they'll use Gauteng as a guage of weather or not to vote for the DA and Action SA

[@mvumenimzimela3590]

She had to mention ActionSA. 😅

[@goodbarbenie5477]

I moved to Paraguay...it is safer...they are always willing to learn and appreciate any hard working foreigners...it is beautiful country...forests...snow capped mountains...safe beaches...the pace can be much slower and appreciative...there a quiet a few South African farmers over here... So we still get to see sunshine's, braaivlies, and biltong...But unfortunately no Chevrolet... Hahaa...But, I ama just glad I made the move...no regrets...

[@johankruger9507]

Enjoy it Benie.

[@kurtpaul920]

We also bought land in the Chaco . Planning to move soon.

[@soaronwingslikeeagles7982]

Superb

[@mathewman]

well well - this is EXACTLY what i have been saying. coalitions are by their very nature unstable and will not last

[@RodneyErnstzen]

So what is the solution .

[@WebWolf2022]

...not voting for a new thing, voting against the DA

[@fieliessa9180]

I wish EFF supporters could be here to see true political character and leadership. As much as I dont like the DA, I like what they are doing for SA, and by extension, the people of SA.

[@lindambasa4963]

Gogo Zille has said nothing that appeases the Black majority. It is such a pity that you don’t realise that the white rule in the world is over, look at Europe and America

[@fieliessa9180]

@@lindambasa4963 It's "appeasing" to the senseless masses that has gotten us into this mess. Plus did you see me mention white rule? Did you see where I said I don't like the DA? I do like their track record as it means a better country for you and me, irrespective of our skin color and irrespective of the political leader's skin color.

[@RodneyErnstzen]

You don't like the DA but you what they are doing . So whom do you like .

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Like what they doing .

[@gabriellewhalley1328]

Biz news , I am trying since forever to sell a residential property. Please do a video on the dynamics of that market currently. That would be marvelous.

[@gfsteytler5383]

Strong ethical leader!!

[@tydronlee8214]

Da 2024

[@dannyarcher6370]

Most likely outcomes: 1. Thin ANC-majority rule 2. ANC coalition with handful of tiny parties (GOOD/ATM/AIC/PAC etc). Effectively still an ANC government. 3. ANC drops below 48% - ANC/EFF coalition 4. Hung parliament: ANC unable to form government. DA-led minority government Do any of those options look appealing?

[@ahmedalikhan7187]

ANC-DA Government with DA policies & implementation - Could be a starting point of recovery. Get the bull by its horns.

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@ahmedalikhan7187 That Durban Poison is strong, jong.

[@thelourensfamily8048]

@@ahmedalikhan7187 that just leads to stagnation. That's what happened when DA had EFF coalition and struggled to get any policies through because their own coalition were voting against them.

[@carlruppert7324]

@Danny Archer, "do any of those options look appealing?" Not at all. I don't see any victory for South Africa in 2024, even if the ANC drops below 50%. And it's already too late anyway - Eskom can't even keep our bloody lights on anymore. This country is doomed.

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@carlruppert7324 Get out.

[@krokodilbotha9885]

The ANC will in all likelihood resume the armed struggle if they loose power nationally & it will not take many cadres to render the country ungovernable.

[@Neo_Rain146]

I was a DA voter up until a couple years ago when they jumped on the identity politics bandwagon and pushed Maimane in the party to be president. Then Maimane was going around making speeches sounding like any other ANC politician. I like Helen and what she stands for but when the party ditched its principles to push Maimane they lost a lot of support.

[@kgotsosetae1831]

Yah they lost lot of support from white people because people like you are not willing to put black people in leadership; you just use black people to attract black voters.

[@tonitappous2422]

@ Neo Rain The DA did not ditch its principles. at all. It just wanted to move away from being ANC lite ( which it was becoming under Maimane's leadership) and back to its liberal roots. The DA wanted Maimane to stay on in Parliament ,where he did very well, but he unfortunately chose to leave. That is the truth, which is not well understood, due to the negative reporting on the DA by the captured mainstream media.

[@johankruger9507]

Helen Zille made some bad decisions in some of her outside appointments in the past. Listening to her now makes so much sense. I left the DA about 2 years ago and was very disappointed in the DA under the previous "leader". I wish the DA all the best for the future, also for South Africa. I have in the meantime emigrated to a great country. My children and their families also emigrated over the last year. I will always love South Africa, but will not return.

[@goodbarbenie5477]

Don't try to return...to put it bluntly as dogs usually try to return to their vomit...as anyone who values their lives and future for their children and grandchildren...this requires serious thought...because what really bugs. Me is that, not with this dumb President Biden. We will just have rely upon Donald Trump who will see this country in a different light. What I am saying paying Taxes to this Blaggard government is not on. Is a Violation Of the American Foreign Corruption Practices Act. Known as A.F.C.P.A. Because these taxes are used to harm and to facilitate mismanagement and corruption... Just go figure...something drastic has to be done...no shit...

[@weetbix4497]

Which country did you move to, if I may ask?

[@darth856]

Mistakes are okay if you learn from them, and I feel that she has.

[@tonitappous2422]

@Cerebis Please carry on voting for the DA to save SA and encourage your family to do so too - every single vote counts!!

[@AndrewMcFarlane_1]

It's much easier to run away and justify it all the way.

[@rushmore100]

Consider for a moment if every group of senior leaders of the top 10 parties had as deep an understanding of politics in SA as Zille and her group do. We wouldn't have these dumb issues.

[@bertramfuscher]

I hope I live long enough to see the demise of skaapkraal governance

[@pierrenemolander4446]

And my White color skin was Told "YOU ARE POLITICALLY INCORRECT"?????????????

[@matthewblackman4330]

Oh dear, no petty squabbles while bringing up all the petty squabbles.

[@russellhaikney3809]

Any big business proved indulging in State capture must be so severely punished....especially the direction

[@pre-dawnraid9037]

😒how many in townships will hear this..

[@HenrySwart]

What about sowtto not paying escom power

[@Tinker8531]

If ANC wants votes to stay in power all they have to do is take the SA first approach. Clamp down on illegal immigration, foreigners working in low skilled jobs, drastically change immigration law and they will sail through.

[@dudleygraham1949]

The ANC could never do that they simply don't have the will to change from selfish gain to working hard for the public.

[@blacklyte6444]

😄🤣these days its not a Hellen Zille interview if the is no ActionSA bashing

[@rosehunter5140]

It is because Alec is always praising Action SA and holding Herman up as a possible future leader. Helen has to put him straight.

[@blacklyte6444]

Lol 😆what's wrong with him wanting ActionSA to work?...at this point you can't take what she says about ASA seriously and vice versa ..just politicians being politicians

[@christopherwalker1157]

@@blacklyte6444 Yet it’s the truth

[@thelourensfamily8048]

@@blacklyte6444 Herman flip flops based on how he can achieve the goal. "The end justifies the means" type thinking which always leads to leaders doing whatever they want without ethics. I had a lot of hope for Action SA but their behaviour after the elections showed their true colours. I really had so much hope for them but now I see them as the sneaky leadership they are.

[@kgotsosetae1831]

@@thelourensfamily8048 Lol ActionSA is here to stay we are growing everyday ; let that sink in 🤣🤣🤣

[@digbywhitehead9010]

Can we trust the iec

[@Tinker8531]

What jobs, many local people in WC is unemployed. Creating jobs for foreigners is not creating jobs for your voters. DA will get a wake up call when voters stay away from voting.

[@tonitappous2422]

@ shanaaz Co

[@tonitappous2422]

@ shanaaz cloete Do you know that the unemployment rate in the Western Cape ( at 21,6 %) is significantly lower than the unemployment rate in all the other Provinces, and is also significantly lower than the national average unemployment rate in SA as well?

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Thank you .​@@tonitappous2422

[@gabriellewhalley1328]

Why didn't DA save us from economic lockdowns?

[@floating-in]

When the Brenner fired Sunni Iraqi government workers and dissolved the armed forces, they created a deadly insurgency lasting a decade.

[@gerhardvanniekerk4744]

Instead of trying to engage in a critical political discussion, Zille has taken this opportunity to advertise the DA as much as possible

[@tonitappous2422]

@ Gerhard van Niekerk Helen Zille is simply telling the truth as it is, based on her considerable knowledge and experience.

[@chrisvandermerwe106]

No Helen it is also a colour thing. Blacks only. Our original constitution rules has said, with a sub clause that BEE is rascist. The cANCer has changed it.

[@gabriellewhalley1328]

Well I know of many struggling citizens who qualify for their pension apply and receive zero.

[@RodneyErnstzen]

The clerks keep your cards and tell you you don't qualify .Talk to the DA try again .

[@ralphmitchell6718]

Why is Naspers and ... Rupert not mentioned. . ? He is just as involved in SA politics. Just as the Anc fools

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Bullshit .

[@theomuller7574]

Why is this woman getting so much attention if she was one of the four runners in the ANC holding a hand up high shouting amandla this is a treason candidate if you ask me

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Kakpraat .

[@innovruptly1769]

BUT cadre deployment as we are witnessing by the ANC remains a possibility under the DA. Pay to play favours amongst the politically connected is harder to disclose under the Corporatocracy of the DA lead Government. The DA might not steel the money but they most certainly pass on the cost of doing business as do their private public partners. Be careful what you wish for.

[@firstcomment749]

The anc could have pulled it off, with competent + honest ppl delivering the neccessary services. They failed + it rendered nearly 90% of municipalities bancrupt + paralysed.

[@eckardberry4649]

Why do you still listen to a women who supposedly fought for freedom but some of the very people she fought side-by-side with have serious corruption charges against them. Did this very party not also a few years ago have a partnership or attempted partnership with Agang and that turned out to be disastrous? And what about Mmusi Maimane who use to be the DA leader and everyone knows what happened there. I honestly don't get it, if anything the DA under the Zille leadership has been appauling.

[@avivaguthrie5358]

What are you going to do nuthing lol

[@christinevandermerwe-gl2sm]

Please it is time for you to step down.

[@madimetjamahlatse9270]

DA will fail to gain over over 23 percent in 2024. The most likely out come for south Africa is anc at 45 percent and going into coalition with inkatha or patriotic alliance and other smaller parties. Western leaning parties like DA, Ff+and action SA. Won't gain much support among rural and township dwelling ppl.

[@Tinker8531]

The last time most people of WC had jobs was under the National Party, along came ANC and brought job losses and DA since created none for locals. Maybe we all be better voting for the Freedom Plus Front, because they are from the NP.

[@ntsikeigomza2405]

The fact remains, DA, ANC, EFF and other political are definitely NOT the right vehicle to take our country and the rest of Africa. The time for a referendum that will change our voting system is definitely needed. All these political parties practice kakistocracy over meritocracy, DA has a lot of DA Comrades/Members deployed in key government positions that are neutral, and purely require basic competency & efficiency. The current ilk of SA Politicians must retire, including Hellen Zille. They do not have a real plan of fixing our country and continent, theirs is a narrow and pure egotistical agenda and being drunk with Power. It is time to get new ideas and independent thinking people who don't take instructions from G7 and former colonialists.

[@tonitappous2422]

@ Ntsike Gomza You obviously haven't even listened to the interview!

[@carlruppert7324]

@Ntsikei Gomza, Please tell us, what is your suggestion or proposal for how to fix SA and the African continent?

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Maybe you can save the country ....

[@ta_ando7697]

This party will never take over the country.

[@tonitappous2422]

@TA ANDO Have you listened to the young, dynamic aà DA leader Chris Pappas? See very inspiring BizNews interview with Mayor Chris Pappas (30, fluent in isiZulu) of uMngeni Municipality. The interviewer is Alec Hogg.

[@Tinker8531]

So busy fighting for other provinces, not knowing she will have to go into coalition in the WC.

[@ash9744]

How is it that you have insights into the future?

[@faridaally6184]

It will be the patriotic alliance and da then As long as its not the eff

[@Tinker8531]

Helen Zille bragging about grants, like that is what people from the WC is only good enough for. She forget to say locals are jobless and that her businesses have no interest in employing locals , nor is her party lobbying for business to employ locals in fact they are in collusion with them. We need Action SA and PA in collusion with them in the WC. Enough is enough.

[@fanamalindi6183]

Locals are jobless the whole of South Africa and it is not of Hellen's making. It is because of national government of ANC corrupt acts...who would like to invest in a country like that... where there s no certainty

[@thelourensfamily8048]

Have you forgotten that small businesses are beholden to national policies and that is why they don't hire more? WC does not have a higher unemployment % compared to other provinces. We're a few % under gauteng but much more than EC and some other provinces.

[@faridaally6184]

Right you are

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Bullshit ...

[@Gawieseplaas]

Helen sounds like a preschool teacher. They make terrible leaders.

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Like Zuma ..she has a better brain than most .

[@RodneyErnstzen]

Who should I vote more ...pls