Jocko Podcast 274: Being The Best. The Cost of Going Against The Grain? Is it Worth It? "Soldier"

[@jacobgreen2528]

Jocko please interview more ww2 vets before they are all gone. I’ve searched for something like your podcast all my life. Thank you for all you do. True American hero!

[@BostonsF1nest]

I wish he would do more stuff in general about WW2... a bulk of the stories he’s covered are about Vietnam and Korea surprisingly, but WW2 overall is just way more interesting imo

[@papabear328]

Listening to 274 after 273 and how Herbert continued to get after it, the following viking proverb comes to mind: "Beware of an old man in a profession where men usually die young."

[@uknxwme]

I love when it’s just you & echo reading a book.

[@CaseyBurnsInvesting]

“Put your ego aside and build relationships with people.” That’s a great way to put it. The challenge of leadership is such a difficult one, especially in the military and in combat.

[@defenderofwisdom]

I tend to think by the end of this Tony was right - he was the good guy doing the right thing, but wrong time and wrong place.

[@gijoey5912]

Jocko: *gives 15 minute lecture on war crimes and the Geneva Conventions Echo: “Ever see Cobra?”

[@paulmurphy3922]

"Sort of like "Training Day" technically..."

[@markusstewart9298]

@@paulmurphy3922 CHECK.

[@patharty7507]

I really appreciate Echo's questions. Every one is one I had. He's the perfect co-host.

[@timothymiller9067]

Was waiting for this, the first one had me riveted. insane what he went through and even more was his attitude the whole time.

[@travelreview5962]

My best friend is from South Vietnam, I trust the guy more than any human alive. He loves America more than most of us lol... but, you should hear his version of what we were doing there, his patents stories, his grandfathers stories. Radically changed my perspective and they will start with me for the rest of my life. The first thing his grandfather said? "Our government lied to us, and your government lied to you." That statement was incredibly important because, he wasn't biased. He wasn't mad. He wasn't mourning. He was just being honest... and his account made me cry myself to sleep for the only time in my adult life.

[@SouthernGuns601]

The ones who disliked this video are the last survivors of Ramadi still mad at Jocko

[@onefodderunit]

What specific threat do you believe Iraq posed to your security or freedom?

[@jakemiller9609]

@@onefodderunit financing global terror

[@onefodderunit]

@@jakemiller9609 No specific threat. Only an allegation made by you. Your irrational fear does not warrant one million Iraqi civilians killed.

[@ristonfuller1319]

@@onefodderunit ur next

[@onefodderunit]

@@ristonfuller1319 You need someone to protect you from imaginary threats. That's effeminate.

[@kyromes4016]

This guy Herbert is so damn cold moraled steel. I wonder if anyone of that breed is left

[@AngryOscillator]

Yeah, they're all in prison or living on yachts

[@cdrtej]

Lt. Col. Scheller

[@PracticalInspiration]

If you want an extraordinary life, you can't be doing the ordinary.

[@dinomra7771]

I usually don't comment but that's good advice.

[@Rikalonius]

Not sure if Herb Brooks actually said it, but from the movie Miracle, Kurt Russell's Herb Brooks says, "This cannot be a team or common men, because common men go nowhere. You have to be uncommon."

[@PracticalInspiration]

@@Rikalonius I wasn't aware of that quote. Thanks for sharing

[@7chicano]

Good midnight to all you early listeners..you magnificent bastards!! Loved episode 273 n startin this follow up at midnight...cant wait to hear Herbert's story as told by Jocko. Lets get after it!!

[@tomwilson8190]

Like many climbing arborists at times I reascue cats stuck up trees...I like to think Jocko includes us in his closing gratitude speach..risking our lives to rescue people's beloved pets....💪🇺🇸🇬🇧

[@garydaly]

Fantastic and revealing story. What can we learn from it? That the collective powers in control will create their own narrative and their outcomes. However, the strength of one's own values and morality succeeds and at the end of his life Lt. Col. Herbert died in peace and in sincerity. That's a man, a soldier and a great human who came from humble beginnings and lived a life of service, value and goodness. It matters not that the powers that be lied, cheated and absconded their moral responsibilities. Herbert lived a visceral life of courage and a life of value. He answered to no one but his own strong character. The cumulative truth is really of no consequence because the life he lived was of consequence only to himself and those that knew and loved him.

[@jaftb2012]

Jocko's book reviews never disappoint! Both of these had me on the edge of my seat!

[@noone8418]

Anonymous Samurai Poem I have no parents: I make the heavens and earth my parents. I have no home: I make awareness my home. I have no life or death: I make the tides of breathing my life and death. I have no divined power: I make honesty my divine power. I have no means: I make understanding my means. I have no magic secrets: I make character my magic secret. I have no body: I make endurance my body. I have no eye: I make the flash of lightning my eyes. I have no ears: I make sensibility my ears. I have no limbs: I make promptness my limbs. I have no strategy: I make "unshadowed by thought" my strategy. I have no designs: I make "seizing opportunity by the forelock" my design. I have no miracles: I make right-action my miracles. I have no principles: I make adaptability to all circumstances my principles. I have no tactics: I make emptiness and fullness my tactics. I have not talents: I make ready with my talent. I have no friends: I make my mind my friend. I have no enemy: I make carelessness my enemy. I have no armor: I make benevolence and righteousness my armor. I have not castle: I make immovable-mind my castle. I have no sword: I make absence of self my sword. -Anonymous Samurai, 14th century

[@robertphillips93]

Very Zen . . . but there may be a stanza missing -- "I have no brevity, the Cosmos is sufficiently succinct."

[@noone8418]

@@robertphillips93 🤣😂🤣😂👍 I actually think the most profound thing about the poem is that whoever wrote did it anonymously

[@robertphillips93]

@@noone8418 Absolutely -- the greatest names in history will always be lost to time, but "anonymous" will never cease to be (apologies to the Baghavad Gita).

[@solomanneil]

Playing through Ghosts of Tsushima at the moment. This one hit hard.

[@BostonsF1nest]

Goodluck tryna memorize that lol

[@cosmingrozav950]

fuck me, another 3 hours of this amazing podcast, here we go again

[@alice5515]

Can only imagine it must be a kick in the guts when Jocko comes across these tales and realises he just missed being able to interview the legend behind it

[@AhmetKaan]

*Don't compare your 2. Chapter to someome elses 20. Chapter. Compare yourself to just your yesterday. And if you constantly see an improvement that means you are on the right track.* I hope you have an amazing day. 🖤

[@Leo-nxt]

Love when he does these readings! I would pay to have him read more. Please keep doing more of these.

[@Leo-nxt]

@Gerrit Todd oh I bet lol, they do have a million subs. I know you get paid a thousand for 15k subs with an average of 1k views per video. So they should be making bank from KZbin alone.

[@AlexKahl]

Interesting Difference: in Germany the Generalinspekteur is the single highest military rank possible and the direct connection to the ministry of defense

[@raywalteroutdoors]

I served in the PA guard for 12 years and never heard of this guy. What the fuck he's a legend.

[@tellitubie123]

Eckoh Unlimited: Ill watch platoon, you watch cobra. JÖCKÖ: No. Not deal.

[@jasonleehughes79]

I recommend reading "Herbert's War" for more information about the investigation and LTC (Ret) Herbert's earlier childhood. It is an excellent book.

[@patrickkelly7100]

The disdain in his voice when he said "snapchat" had me dying. This podcast was a crazy lesson on the implications of leadership and the risks you face when drawing a line in the sand. I'll have to listen to this and 273 again to absorb it all.

[@kellyarcher9507]

Bahaha

[@lucasskrobish2473]

This is about drawing a line in the sand dude

[@jwconstruction9065]

Its usually harder to do the right thing...

[@M_White_VA]

@@jwconstruction9065 Not great doing it on your own... Makes getting those who are doing the right thing around you important. Isn't there a quote about America's liberty only being compatible with a virtuous people?

[@threethrushes]

Lt. Col. A. Herbert was a modern man for all seasons.

[@defenderofwisdom]

Except for fall apparently.

[@ssimon1521]

I'm glad you continued with this guys crazy badass story.

[@therocinante3443]

Well looks like I won't be getting much sleep tonight

[@aforerunner1773]

me neither

[@redacted5035]

Fucking same😂 I can get eight hours if i fall asleep...5 minutes ago

[@TurnOntheBrightLights.]

G O O D

[@aforerunner1773]

@@TurnOntheBrightLights. hahaha yup

[@defenderofwisdom]

I can't say by the end of this I could think of there being much worth fighting for any more.

[@Edvardas06]

Great episodes both 273 and 274. Non of these book are available in my country, actually I cant even find them on amazon but I'm glad Mr. Jocko covered them. Great stories, great life lessons.

[@מיכאלמרטיןבנדיקטוס]

I'm sorry but Jocko's delivery made me laugh out loud despite the fact there is nothing funny about a bayonet breaking in anyone's chest.

[@HughJasbawls]

when jocko finds out echo hasnt seen Platoon at 48:46 , that "WHAT?" is hilarious

[@gijoey5912]

Platoon and Top Gun both came out in 1986. One is an all time great war movie. The other one is Top Gun.

[@BostonsF1nest]

Platoon is overrated

[@bo_392]

"I thought I would win. I still had faith in the system."

[@jamesh2367]

The only path is against the grain

[@HonestMan247]

I'm genuinely confused by the skepticism over Herbert's claims. He clearly wasn't acting in his own self-interests; all of the financial incentives point to a cover-up. That's not "proof," but the reason that the expression "follow the money" exists is because it very often points to the truth.

[@AlbertaClimber]

I think Jocko's reading of _"Soldier"_ , drove the price of this (out-of-print) book to the moon... or at least waaay beyond my reach @ *$ 902.81 USD* for a paperback copy.

[@jhogg1017]

273/274 have been sick! Jocko 2024

[@jakeedgell591]

Best example off the top of my head of requesting court martial because you’re innocent is Dick Winters of easy company under Captain Sobel. He knew he was being set up and appealed to a court martial and it paid off

[@mikethestoner]

Thanks for these brothers, really helping me push on at work while having that poopy pants mentality haha can't wait to get in so I can listen to the rest!

[@1flovera]

Love Jock, man you changed me

[@Micoolaw]

Searched for this after the joe Rogan podcast. Glad you went through with it ✊

[@shanedog9082]

I wish more people really understand what it is to be truthful and right. I think what it comes down to is a moral obligation to yourself. Right is right after all

[@flahgdoe4558]

@2:04:55 "The Viet's knees" The author recognizing saying "the Vietnamese's knee's" would've sounded funny lol

[@robertphillips93]

It's easy for many to believe that the wrecked morale of the U.S. military in the years after Vietnam was due mainly to the outcome of that war. But I have to think that if everything was really squared away, as officers like Barnes and Franklin maintained, there's no way such a nosedive could have occurred.

[@requited2568]

There was also the Heroin use and the CIA and Army shipping it home in soldiers coffins to sell to the mob and cartels. There are so many documents out there now that show everything was even worse than people thought.

[@thomassommers4096]

“You can do the right thing the wrong way”-

[@alberthayes1695]

I've been trying to digest that. I know it's true, but so hard to commit to changing

[@defenderofwisdom]

Brutal lesson. In my opinion, he was the right person doing the right thing in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@JohnDoe-yu2xw]

About present day fragging: Pat Tillman comes to mind. Such an interesting topic being brought to light here in this episode. And watch platoon, Echo.

[@gijoey5912]

I don’t know if that would be classified as “fragging,” because it was not intentional.

[@JohnDoe-yu2xw]

@@gijoey5912 Says who? The people who shot him 3 rounds to the head aprx 10 yards away and burned his plate carrier , diary and personal stuff afterwards? Or the brass who tried to cover it up by creating a fake hero story? Did you learn anything from Herberts stories?

[@M_White_VA]

@@JohnDoe-yu2xw Where's that info from? serious question.

[@JohnDoe-yu2xw]

@@M_White_VA You can find it online. Start with Pats wikipedia page. Things take an even darker turn when you find out that all american recruiter poster boy wanted to meet up with well known anti war activist Noam Chomsky... Imagine the P.R baclash that could have made to the war..

[@HomeshighlandPark]

These are scenes from Charlie’s sheens “platoon”

[@maximumeffort4902]

Love to hear a podcast with a former gurkha warrior

[@Rikalonius]

Jocko, you're right to qualify his opinions as, his opinions, but I think after 40 years of hindsight on the Vietnam war, Anthony Herbert's recollections seem to have a great deal of verisimilitude. It is unfortunate, and embarrassing to know the Military I loved for 20 years acted that way at any time. I spent so much time studying SOG missions, that this was a rude awakening back into the world of the regular infantry of the Vietnam war. What stood out to me was how complimentary he was of the average Joe. "The best raw material in the world." I agree. When a leader is willing to punch up the chain of command, that to me is a real leader. Clearly, from his writings, he was no anti-Military dissident looking to took advantage of the anti-war sentiment to gain attention. I'm actually surprised by the treatment he received by the media at the time. Maybe they were just looking for military members to turn on each other for ratings. You'd have thought his story would be just the kind of ammo they were looking for in 1972. Anyway, great and humbling, as well as heartbreaking podcast, sir.

[@craigscott2315]

the consequences of not going against the grain can be to horrific to imagine.

[@woodworkbycorbin3281]

Have been thinking about the last episode all week.

[@williamprice295]

There's your slogan: "There's a lot of benefits to hats."

[@AhmetKaan]

*If you are reading this, never ever give up. We will succeed. I'm cheering for you!* Have a great day! 🖤

[@kellyarcher9507]

Thank you kind stranger!❤️

[@BostonsF1nest]

The reason leaders and ppl in charge need to hold the line when it comes to right and wrong is because if you break the law once and get away with it (especially with the approval of leaders), the line for right or wrong moves and before you know it your actions or your organization is completely immoral because those immoral acts are constantly just swept under the rug.

[@robertbarnum7541]

You come into this life with only one accountability: your own conscience, your own ideals. That's the only path you will ever be on.

[@jopattix]

Account to God and God's laws as much as you can every day

[@threethrushes]

Yet so few ever follow that path.

[@davidoftheforest]

@@jopattix dont eat shellfish

[@Combateffective]

@@davidoftheforest not eating shellfish was an OT Jewish Law. If one is a NT Christian we don't have to follow the OT Jewish Laws. Happy Holy Week.

[@davidoftheforest]

@@Combateffective oh ok, my mistake. Such a rule would be silly. I'm sure your rules aren't nonsensical

[@BG-gg9pl]

NOTE: A newer better version of vise grip is being made in America again! Its still fresh but just bought some off my snap on guy. Only 2 sizes out now but they are true to form and nice. They got the old molds from Dewitt NE. Stop buying harbor freight buy American unless you have no choice please!

[@johnholland4163]

Wow, the unsettled Jocko at the end of this podcast is ominous

[@jamesh2367]

How did you watch it early ??? Is there a website or something???

[@johnholland4163]

@@jamesh2367 listened to this podcast on Spotify this morning. Spotify release is always earlier than KZbin

[@Likeaworm]

@@johnholland4163 bruh moment

[@jamesh2367]

@@johnholland4163 thanks man

[@davidr6563]

Yeah. It’s crazy how different the army was between generations. I can’t believe there was a civil war like atmosphere in Vietnam. The contrast between how his Korean battles seemed like a brotherhood as to where his Vietnam battles seemed like there were enemies within and outside of the army. I can see a reflection of civilians now in what was covered in the podcast.

[@Big-Reds]

Great Book!! Love the show brother! Keep up the great stuff!

[@hasdrubal121]

Finishing Extreme Ownership now. Read the three Warrior Kid books with my kids. Getting after it for the past while. I believe Herbert's account. Yes Jocko is right he could have approached it a different way.......but then he may have had to pay with his soul.

[@dignan193]

About to go to sleep. Good. Stay awake. Listen to Jocko.

[@wolfhoundraider9044]

Vietnam was a Trainwreck, but we learned and improved, and became the strongest Military in the world.

[@defenderofwisdom]

"It is better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied. And if the fool, or the pig, are of a different opinion, it is because they only know their own side of the question." The Philosopher's long-game ends long after their death. The Spartan victory outlasts the Spartan. That kind of win is not won for the player.

[@dunderwood4444]

Love the direction Jacko's going with this podcast, glad I subscribed, therapeutic for me

[@gregl8655]

Jocko, where can I find the master list of the books you cover in the podcast? Thanks

[@CodeRed1991]

Watch every podcast

[@yurikorosal4813]

Jocko, I am a retired Naval Aircrewman, a first class. I have something to say. Are you interested in a Aircrewmans story? Or is that too ghetto for you? Am I just a low class Aircrewman?

[@UncleSamSiam]

This was an intense one

[@doubleHLabs]

We had a fragging in 2006 at FOB Danger. LT1 and COL died

[@gijoey5912]

I was at FOB Danger in 2004.

[@doubleHLabs]

@@gijoey5912 It was in a water palace and the soldier threw the weapons in the lake. They ended up draining the lake over a few days to get the evidence.

[@johnson8danny]

RIP Tony herbert.

[@chrisnorton3123]

Colonel Herbert’s strand was missing for allowing someone to trust equipment he knew was faulty.

[@ffurtado2760]

““Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭14:31-33‬ ‭NIV‬‬

[@Eclypseium]

stories of the wreck...alive we are and we shall tell them...

[@YourHuckleberry333]

Jocko- love the podcast. Could yall pls do an episode on Francis Marion or John S Mosby?

[@HomeshighlandPark]

Seems like the enemy is as much within as without us

[@JimSelfisHere]

Still true. Hope it isn't in the armed forces as much as it was then.

[@HomeshighlandPark]

@@JimSelfisHere they were in almost impossible situation there in Vietnam. I don’t judge any of them.

[@jobinks8247]

What!!!! Empty feeling I agree. He seems so moral and just, yet it appears that he had no backing for doing the right thing. OMG what would you have done faced with the same situation Jocko? I understand that making enemies isn’t going to help , but how should it of been dealt with? It pains me to think that if this is how it was, that a man who fought so bravely and gallantly for his country was treated so bad for doing what was right ! How could it be no one was prepared to back him yet he had the respect of his men? How come the truth is so hard to uncover? So so many questions.

[@BostonsF1nest]

Because most of the senior commanders and leadership would rather sweep the problem under the rug and let the next guy deal with it, most of the time they’re only concerned with being promoted and going on to the next duty station. But if they actually started to deal with some of this stuff, the fear is it may fall back on the wrong ppl and in the end you get punished for it and your career trajectory takes a nosedive.

[@bettermanchannel770]

Alienation is not for the light hearted

[@defenderofwisdom]

Yep. Alienation. Dehumanization.

[@shelman8933]

I’m just 21 yes old been watching for a while soaking up All this knowledge I feel a lil bit more cultured

[@Johnnybroham]

Afrotc cadet, question goes to anyone; What would you say is the most important thing(s) I need to check myself on in order to ensure enlisted are the priority? In other words how can I put my focus in the mission and make sure my ego doesn’t get in the way?

[@samuelperez7478]

Realize a balance, keep good order and discipline while still treating them like humans. Let them see you aren't a robot and are a person yourself. Learn everyday...from the good and the bad. And listen when they say the baby is ugly, even if you are the baby.

[@jonathonaut]

If Herbert's account is true, I can't see how to appropriately navigate alongside corrupt individuals in leadership. It's a mess. His righteousness and effectiveness only reminded them of their own corruptness.

[@Combateffective]

Good point.

[@jonhart4563]

Extremely interesting.

[@kaelhyland3122]

where do you find "the making of a soldier" book? I've literally checked everywhere.

[@M_White_VA]

check the library. But it's sold out everywhere. Last I saw it was available for $200 for a used copy.

[@shannonpinion5729]

They used to call it ticket punching getting your 6 months of command so you could get promoted to the next higher rank.

[@BostonsF1nest]

Happens all the time still

[@Patso44]

I feel like a kindergarten kid listening to a story read by Jocko and I am the only kid that didn't fall asleep as he read...😂

[@Rikalonius]

Maybe we can convince him to start a new channel: Jocko's neighborhood where he comes through the door, puts on his sweater and tells you all about heroes in war.

[@FoXWoR]

Thank You!

[@l0rd_of_hollows681]

B company is the PKA podcast C company is the Jocko Podcast

[@bennygee3067]

Still waiting on the Rogue Warrior episode 😂😂😂

[@jeremiahchicca6228]

Just because you're right doesn't mean you have to be

[@megaman7357]

1:15:30 did jocko just say what I think he said

[@joelpierce3940]

I am waiting for Your interpretation of the hiring of Richard Torres-Estrada as the Special Operations Chief of diversity and inclusion. My understanding is that the Military programs as they are do a good job of selecting for the best candidates, regardless of political ideology.

[@brycehostetter559]

Hello jocko I’m thinking about going into the navy seal training program and I’ve been doing a lot of research on buds and I was wondering if you had any tips for me. Also I’m only 14 years old and I’ve made my mind up on what I want to do in life and that is to become a navy seal.

[@sp-lc1fy]

Have you read Lone Survivor by Marcus Litrell.

[@TheEnvelopeOZ]

34:57 About a good soldier not wearing sunglasses, why is that? Does it create some sort of flash the enemy can see a mile away?

[@Majorrick07]

Just because your right, stay humbled.

[@yomamasman8921]

Heard Jocko was running for I think governor #JockoForGoverner2024!!!

[@sdbling]

@ 8:45 jocko stares at the book exhaling with exasperation to confess "Look, this book is FFFUCKIN THICK!" Is what I's expecting to hear for some reason. Even though I can count on one hand how many the F-bomb has been cleared hot in his podcasts. It would have been funny though

[@HomeshighlandPark]

I disagree with jocko on ownership being 100 percent correct on rope breaking and killing the trainee. If solder new 100 percent that it would break, he would have never agreed. The captain however, broke safety rules which makes him legally responsible.

[@tmharks1]

Just because you have the superior moral position, doesn't mean your Right!!??

[@nagm1745]

I definitely need this. Thanks!

[@AffirmationsForGrowth]

Ummmm walk your own path

[@petermartin7811]

Jocko's kids are not dropped off at the mall they're deployed

[@fisherking4625]

In my country Myanmar(Burma) we need lots of guns to fight back dictatorship!!!!!!

[@Dr.Pepperdave]

Study History, it will instruct you.

[@fisherking4625]

@@Dr.Pepperdave thank you for your opinion.

[@tomasb7561]

Was LTC Herbert a Lithuanian descent? Or I misheard that in 1:00:00? Listening this podcast as Lithuanian officer it was a great surprise for me.

[@d00cee60]

interested on reading this book 🤔

[@nufufu5558]

Be ready to pay $400 for a copy.