Jocko Podcast 344: Modern Combatives. How We Fight, How We Train, How We Live. W/Dean Lister.

[@bradjenkins3386]

I am an Army Combatives Master Trainer…just wanted to explain in a bit more detail the way the courses are broken down. The Basic Combatives Course (BCC) is 5 days (40 hrs) and covers all the basic techniques discussed. The Tactical Combatives Course (TCC) is 10 days (80 hrs) and refreshes on the BCC techniques and then covers all the intermediate techniques discussed. The Master Trainer Course is 20 days (160 hrs), where you actually spend a month at FT Benning, GA and covers all the BCC and TCC techniques. The CMTC also has more of an emphasis on teaching and running a program and doing all the administrative stuff that goes along with conducting a course to certify both BCC and TCC trainers and running tournaments.

[@YoMateo.]

Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen

[@vettevegas8549]

Thank you!

[@Fighting_Fatigue_117]

Ameno

[@samuelhumphrey5908]

Appreciated. Check 👊

[@therocinante3443]

Thank you, I could use it today ;)

[@batjackjohnson252]

🙏 amen

[@darao9526]

Amazing what a time in history we can watch these absolute warriors discuss combat for free in long format. Thank you Jocko, Echo, and Dean!

[@beelow84]

I used to think echo had the easiest job on the planet. Now I’m convinced he’s jockos hostage.

[@aerohead8088]

Still right on both counts....

[@davidklein6333]

😄

[@DGB120]

Good evening.

[@Brandon-yw6dd]

Good.

[@mattybee1856]

Bro…hahaha

[@MadeSportsEntertainment]

dean and jocko are like the older brothers we all need to have

[@rickeycoats1790]

I got to hang out with Mr. Lister at a Muster during the dinner. It was a very cool conversation and he was a very polite and engaging dude. It was probably the coolest part of the muster for me.

[@Kirbylover489]

Dean is such a good dude. He's not on here often enough.

[@Jarnagua]

This is one of the best, no bs, discussions about martial art/ self defense training I've ever heard. Even the goofy stuff like horsing around and escalation between bros. Objective, fair, open minded, but also critical and skeptical. Very informed. I've been training since the 80's. The Arts are a wasteland of bad ideas, ego and quackery - this discussion has NONE of that. This podcast is amazing. Keeping it real. Thank you!

[@e.e.8589]

As a police officer I love wrestling and grappling for duty. It makes everything so much easier. We need one training day per week for everyone on active duty.

[@Fighting_Fatigue_117]

I have a neighbour and whenever he gets in trouble with the police it always takes at least 7 officers to restrain him! This is in England BTW.

[@e.e.8589]

@@Fighting_Fatigue_117 I mean, that can happen if you got 120kg hooligan on drugs. But it shouldnt take 7 cops for an average male. Thats just lack of training.

[@herbwhite7384]

We need more men like Echo and Jocko.

[@herbwhite7384]

And Dean too.

[@herbwhite7384]

And Dean too!

[@silverstar4289]

Just ended a three hours lecture from Jocko. Great to see him in person after watching him all these years.

[@aidenhavelka7693]

Nice bro

[@kozy4134]

Dean is by far my favorite grappler! Much respect 🙏

[@iconoclastmusic368]

My favorite part is where Echo Charles calls out Jocko on rib slapping his 12 year old son, and then his son going for the toehold on his injured foot. Echo's like, "You had that coming." 😆

[@yew2oob954]

It starts at 1:44:27 for anyone looking.

[@e.e.8589]

@@yew2oob954 🤣🤣🤣🤣 thanks man, thats so funny. "He has to die" - Mr Jocko, I am detached, Willink 😂

[@cdrtej]

You gotta control those emotions says the guy choking his son purple😅😮😱

[@HippocratesBlack]

Said what he had to say. Thought that was pretty cool.

[@colebeast55]

Hey Jocko! Great podcast as always! I would love to you see you discuss MCMAP and it’s philosophy, techniques, and it’s short comings. As a former practitioner of it, I believe the biggest issue with it is a total lack of sparring. We used to just learn enough to take a test and then wouldn’t practice anymore. We would grapple but it was mainly just backyard mud wrestling with no technique. MCMAP wasn’t taken seriously by many Marines or their commands and the joke was and probably still is that MCMAP teaches you enough to get your ass kicked and you can’t rely on it. I did MCMAP back in 2009-2010 so idk if there has been a change to training but I certainly hope there has been. Thanks again

[@therocinante3443]

I spent my teenage years learning from "once I settle my chi" guys... It was a rude awakening when my friend who was on the wrestling team offered to fight.

[@therocinante3443]

He said, "I don't care if you have 5 black belts, I'll whoop your ass!" I was so sad that he was right lol

[@lampshad3126]

Awesome name!

[@e.e.8589]

Wrestlers are dangerous

[@GeoffFreund]

Wrestling is a very practical martial art. Close second to Jiujitsu for instilling real world fighting ability.

[@therocinante3443]

@@lampshad3126 thank you! I like it much better than "The Tachi"

[@Tacit_Tern]

*Jocko Willink is the Reluctant Leader we need.* .....We know you've done enough, but your Nation needs you. 🇺🇸 *2024* 🦅

[@keithclark5567]

I see Dean Lister, I click. One of the GOATS for sure

[@roycegarvin]

His instructionals are insanely good

[@psmith6512]

Really enjoyed subject, and relaxed conversation. Encouraged to stay grinding.

[@joshuad.flores3739]

This made me realize we need the dean lister fight podcast

[@mr.shin.5138]

18:25 - I think what it’s trying to say is that with “Combative training” the main goal is to focus on combat and actually producing better combative results. When it comes to other forms of “Martial Arts” not every person who trains is necessarily training to be a better fighter or to be able to combat more effectively, there are some people who do it simply for health benefits or a more spiritual outlook, not to say that they may not also consider the combative benefits but moreover that the handbook was specifically designed to address the goal of producing better combative results from users and that being it’s main or ONLY goal. Cheers Jocko, Echo.

[@spire393]

Me and my girlfriends are all doing ju jitsu now. We meet twice a week on Wednesdays and practice for 2 hours, 4 times a day. #mum life

[@e.e.8589]

Thats great! Hope to find some time to train with the fam

[@cereal76]

That's badass

[@PredatorHunterNation]

That's excellent, great work!

[@Defsolid]

Dean's impression of the Russian accent was on point and the pre-Putin Russia "streets" story was real and hilarious.

[@Ruleisbroke]

What a time to be in the military...you don't have to read the field manuals, Jocko will read them to you!

[@legionarulsquad6676]

Time to get after it. Respect from Romania.

[@randalorian9]

Preach, Jocko. Law enforcement is in a bad way right now and many admins aren't trying to support the development of a training culture. A growth mindset. It's all concerns over liability and being the expert in the room rather than improving the profession.

[@cristobalsaa]

Buenísimo el podcast, felicidades al equipo desde Chile

[@phillipmelo8504]

We need the Grounded podcast up and rolling.

[@OneMindAnyWeapon]

Re old school non gloved boxing. Hitting the mark. Was the blow to to the mark, the solar plexus. Which was considered the primary knock out. Which of course because less viable as gloves were introduced and increased in size.

[@papabear328]

Jocko giving a shout out to ancient pankration. Happy Greek here 😁🙌🏻

[@ajaxdragon055]

This was a really interesting podcast and I really appreciate everything talked about. If you are interested in learning more about history of martial arts and wtf happened in 20th century, look up David Ross from New York Sanda. He mostly focus on Chinese martial arts but his historically stuff explains a lot for other martial stuff as well.

[@ActuallyJamie]

Keep up the awesome work, and keep kicking ass!

[@IAMtsunade]

Dean? DEAN?? DDEEEEEEEEEEEEAAANNNN!!!??!?!?! Today is a good day 😁 Thank you, Jocko, you gents have the most awesome show and to hear your conversations, like we are there with you, for free, on our devices.... we are blessed to have such an opportunity; you are Giants of life, thank you!

[@dominikgutierrez7790]

When can we get some Jocko GO at AAFES/NEX?! Stationed overseas and this stuff is hard to get over here! Great podcast fellas!

[@amirlach]

Started boxing when I was 14. It taught disipline and restraint. The restraint part did not always translate to the real world street fight.

[@Whopoopedinmypants]

Your average street fighter doesn't have restraint

[@catt99mahal8]

This is exact what Jordan Peterson teaches.

[@streamsoflivingwater]

Don’t ever make notes in front of Jocko Willink! 😂 Brilliant podcast!

[@TeKnoVKNG23]

Great episode as usual. His kid should have just been a smartass and said "You shouldn't be rolling while injured" lol

[@firehorse_44alpha-omega]

Cheers ! Legit D.L. Thank you gentlemen. A pleasure to listen here.....

[@vettevegas8549]

Wake up by 0400, and get out the door. This is my watermelon. There are others like it, but this one is mine.

[@gregusmc2868]

Ah yes, MILES gear! I remember doing a “training evolution” with that stuff back in like 87 maybe? Anyway, my platoon was given the chance to be the “defenders” first and, even though my mos was 0331, I had also turned down the chance to go to sniper school (because as soon as I heard I had to go to jump school FIRST, I passed, due to my extreme fear of heights.) Yeah, I figured being a grunt meant I would be ALWAYS on the ground, no helos, no C130s, yes, I regret that decision these 35+ years later) So I HAD won high series shooter at PI, shot a 243 on “pre qual” day, and then a friggin 239 on THE day. Anyway, I had my marksmanship instructor, who was an ENORMOUS Samoan marine, placing bets with other instructors that I was gonna take high shooter. (I did, but he still lost a case of beer I think because I had been shooting “high expert” all week, high 230’s and one or 2 240s, up till I choked on Qual Day, and he’d bet another coach I would shoot over a 240 and I came in 1 point shy. I still was awarded the Leatherneck Marksmanship Award and was meritoriously promoted to PFC and was a “co-honor man” on graduation day. (I stood out front with the actual honor man and another guy from my platoon who was the series high PFT dude. We were both in our dress greens while the honor man wore his dress blues.) lol My coach was an amazing marine and all around great dude and he’d been in my corner the whole time. Damn, sorry I went off on THAT tangent. I’m old. I do that shit now. Just ask my kids! 🥱🤐. Anyway, the weapons platoon I was attached to, promptly handed my M-60 to another guy and yelled “Where’s my other DM!?” He let me and Corporal Chitwood go find a forward position(essentially an OP/LP) a few hundred yards from the rest of the platoon and we found an abandoned hunting cabin that was still standing “mostly” upright, and we waited for several hours before we could hear the “attackers” who were still at least 6 or 7 hundred yards off, and radioed back that they were headed in. I had all my laser crap attached to my M16A1 (yes, an A1 and it was the only one left in Hotel Co. I don’t know if they gave that to me on purpose or not but I had it. It meant nothing to me that it was capable of full auto, except for the occasional “We have to get rid of all this old ammo” days and then it was fun to empty my mag out in like 4 seconds. We 2 designated marksmen finally got a visual on the “enemy” approaching and the FIRST thing I saw was their radioman and his 10 foot long “whip antenna” probably 450 yards off. I asked my companion if he wanted to take the shot-remember, he was an E-4 and I was only an E-3-and he said “Can you hit him?” I said I could so I braced my rifle against the side of the broken out window frame, took a deep breath and released most of it, and gently squeezed the trigger. My “blank” round shattered the long hours of silence and we both watched the radioman start flailing around himself, looking for the source of the beeping or squealing coming off his body. We couldn’t actually hear it from how far away he was. He sat down and was a “confirmed kill.” Lol. The other platoon opened up on us but, since these new-fangled lasers couldn’t penetrate the “concealment” of a couple inches of wood, Chitwood and I kept picking these guys off like ducks in a shooting gallery. Chitwood was finally hit and we were both nearly out of blanks, so he slid me his last magazine and I got maybe 6 or 7 more “kills” before someone just thrust their M16 into the doorway to the cabin and “sprayed and prayed” and took me out. Perhaps an hour later as the opposing officers were breaking the “battle” down, the opposing platoon’s captain asked “Who were the two little fu-rs in that “Shack of Death!?” Both of us raised our hands and he said “You 2 shites killed almost 65% of my entire platoon!!” Everyone laughed except the captain so the laughter died down pretty quickly. The two of us remained silent until he said “Which of you dipsheets shot my radioman!??” I raised my hand and he just said “Good shot. Immediately took out my source of communication.” Then shook his head and walked away. We both knew that if that had been ACTUAL combat, our little “shack of death,” would have been blown to smithereens by a mortar or an M72 LAWS rocket, or even a heavier machine gun-like my M-60 Echo 3. Still lot’s of fun for a couple 20 year old kids who had grown-up hunting the woods for squirrels and deer, etc…back when the only video game I knew existed was Pong, in our local bowling alley. I know by 87 there were new video games and even “home video stuff, I actually paid nearly 1100 bucks for a Sony Betamax VCR! I still had never seen anything like this MILES gear, and never did again for reasons no one told me. (Perhaps because it was so limited in its capacity to come anywhere CLOSE to simulating actual combat?”) Sure! This sheet of drywall is PERFECT COVER! Lmao. The 1980s were definitely interesting! 😂👍Semper Fi!

[@rayciannello2268]

Still miss the grounded podcast!

[@zach3359]

I'm a struggling army veteran, and I've recently found myself struggling with PTSD again. This happened to me before, and I didn't reach out, and ask for help because I was to dang prideful to burden others. I dug my own hole without anyone's help, so why should ask them to throw me a rope. "Pride cometh before the fall." Pride is the deadliest sin, and that's not an opinion, it's a fact. It's not just a faith based belief, and I learned that the hard way. I became malnourished, sick, homeless, jobless, and I completely lost myself for a few years. I don't know who the person I became was, but I know who the person I became wasn't, and that's me. During that time, I'd lost my faith in Jesus, I abused alcohol, and almost drank myself to death. I avoided human contact, I was dishonest, and hid things from people who loved, and cared about me. I was fully consumed by hate, paranoia, sadness, self pity, and self hatred. When it was at it's worse, I was so far gone that I believed, the world would be a little better off without me, and I felt pathetic for not having the nerve to make it happen. Nothing about who I became, is in any way, who I was before, and who I am now. My Dad, my Mamaw, and my Papaw found me, and pulled me out of the mud. They saved my life. They got me back in a home, helped me find work, and got me to see a therapist. I still struggled for a long time. The doctors tried just about everything. Medication, breathing techniques, meditation, physical exercise, yoga, and even hypnosis. In the end, I learned that, medication made me worse because, I'm not mentally Ill, I'm mentally damaged, I'm mentally injured, and I eventually learned, a healthy brain should be traumatized after experiencing war, and it's those who come home without PTSD, who are mentally Ill. Just leaning that helped me feel better, but I wasn't 100% until I found purpose. I needed to do something that I cared about, and I needed to do something that I knew, provided value to others. The people who saved me before aren't around to save me now, and they made me promise, if I ever find myself in a situation I can't get out of without help, that I would bury my pride, and ask for help nomater how humiliating it was. I am in bad financial situation, and don't have much time. I owe 3 car payments that total around $1000, my registration is expired, and that's around $300, I'm a door dasher, so If my car gets repossessed, I'm gonna really be in trouble. I'm almost 2 months behind on rent for a total of around $1700. If I get evicted. I have absolutely nowhere to go, and I really don't have much to eat, but I'm so used to it, I don't really feel hungry anymore. I've managed to fight the anxiety enough to finally get myself up, and out, but now I feel the walls closing in on me, and that's making it pretty difficult to maintain. As far as charitable organizations go, in my experience, no matter how many qualifying factors I've met, not a single one has ever provided me any assistance. The only thing they've ever done with me, is take my donations. Besides, I'm not going to wait around like a goon waiting for some organization to do all of the work, marketing, and collecting donations from people to maybe help me out. Most of the money they received has to go towards maintaining the organization anyways. I'll market myself, and 100% of whatever anyone who donates will go directly to the cause. I have a venmo account, and debit card for that account. The hard part is getting enough people to see this. I made a video, and posted it on KZbin, so people can see who they're helping. It's a terrible video, and I stuttered nervously through the whole thing, but I still did it. Please, if you can, anything is better than nothing, and if you can't, or don't want to. Just passing this along for others to see would help out tremendously. My venmo username, a link to the video I made are down below. Thank's to all who took the time to read this, and God bless y'all. Introduction Video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJuZmmSNprF8Y7M Venmo Username: @Zachary-Haney-8 Venmo Link: venmo.com/code?user_id=2838174577459200774&created=1657442038

[@tonyhartford1014]

I think you've played too much Call of Duty bro...

[@johnharvey4757]

Maybe you should look up Bill Fessler retired. Shot down twice in one day in Nam and kept going ,his stories are great

[@nufufu5558]

Great episode! So fun to listen to.

[@uptoptree2379]

Jockos campaign slogan for president "keeping it real"

[@Hytrophic]

Jocko, What are your Thoughts on the Marine Corps "MCMAP" fighting teachings? is it effective in your thoughts?

[@frankmancina22]

Adopt a Cop is a great program for LEOS who want to learn BJJ.

[@JustinBorel]

344 is a covert grounded podcast drop. I'll take what I can get

[@HomeshighlandPark]

My dad used to hold me under the water when we went to the ocean. I will never forget that. F savage.

[@jamajnasoares5702]

Fast audio to video launch GOOD

[@gavansimkin5685]

Hay Dean ListerBJJ? You'll never be good enough? To ever PASS! My Guard? With My JUJIT-SU?

[@alanmiller4122]

Im gonna thumb up this one before I even listen

[@psicosis101]

Good evening Echo 💆🏽‍♂️

[@waitwhat....2473]

So much info here. Now I see why to ju jitsu.

[@deputydog12]

In reality most Law Enforcement officers are only training about 2% of the time they are on duty, or less. Wisconsin only requires 24 hours per year of training to maintain certification. That covers all topics from firearms and DAAT (Defense And Arrest Tactics), to report writing and legal update.

[@DOOMLORDHOKAGE]

Even in MMA in the beginning “don’t throw head kicks or you’ll get taken down” or my favorite “dont use any of that spinning shit turning your back to your opponent will get you knocked out” lol stuff we believed even in modern mma at one point

[@MMA_Jackal]

Well those things were kinda true back then. If you were a Taekwondo guy fighting in the early days of MMA you might not wanna try your Spinny stuff or head kicks against a good wrestler. The reason those techniques work today at a higher rate is because the people executing them are also very efficient in all the fundamentals

[@bricktopmedic]

Addendum: mTBI's are alarming due to the accumulative nature and across the board activities ie: firing a Gustav, 25 mm Bushmaster, PLFs, breaching w/ explosives, etc...etc... muscular- skeletal injuries are able to rehab and strengthen to mitigate, neurological injuries just mount in symptoms and severity.

[@dunderwood4444]

Dean Lister is a BEAST. that's all I got. Big up from Brooklyn NY #AnkleBreaker #ChokedOUT #TKO I'm a victim of traditional Karate (Japanese Go Ju Ryu) Useless against Jujitsu (Royce Gracie embarrassed GRANDMASTER Ron VanClief) UFC 1 Very useful for stopping an assult. Neutralized 2 individuals that tried to mug me in Brooklyn (epic fail)(F.U.B.A.R)= fucked up beyond all recognition "I went ham" had my 2 year old with me at a 🏧 machine "Chase Bank. Fighting in a phone booth is my jam . Morons picked the wrong Marine to target Side note: NYPD transit police officer got man handled by a teenager (lack of training)(inability to fight) cop was 75 lbs heavier than the teen. On the news yesterday Probably on KZbin

[@weibherrman]

WHAT A FREAKING GUEST YES MAN!!!!!!

[@ADRPLREVIEW]

Such a quality Episode

[@Orangutan1000]

My favorite part is every time I hear echo's soft little "mhmm". Very default aggressive.

[@gmel1084]

Great topics

[@timr8456]

21:18 Good point

[@jimrob27]

Jerry Peterson's SCARS fighting system

[@brettpeterson9488]

You can actually get a stroke from being choked out. Its rare but not 100% safe to get chocked out

[@Stayinginthefight]

I’m 43 years old. Is it too late to begin BJJ? They have it at the gym I go to.

[@hiramhaji7813]

Great talk guys

[@profbrunao]

Sou fã do Jocko, Charle E., e Dean!

[@illdoctrine9329]

Whoever is reading this, find ItsMateo’s comment. May God bless you and keep you so safe & tranquil, forever.

[@truebeliever8605]

Hey jocko can you checkout a channel called urban combatives with lee morrison just curious on your opinion also can you do a podcast with the navajo code talkers?

[@mattybee1856]

Note to self: Don’t bite Dean’s arm.

[@YashBhardwaj1]

What is the training of sniper? How snipers became so patience for countless hours? Means how ?

[@jeremybrimmer1990]

Audible pop, rack rack rack Stovepipe, karate chop

[@mimcquee0311]

These instructors are appealing to the instant gratification mind set of our young men and women

[@mikimiyazaki]

Jocko is living in a rambo movie lol

[@travisboothe5670]

Keep it real t shirt when?

[@Jordan-sp1tw]

Thank you jocko your amazing

[@sasquatch6829]

“If I break his leg it take long time to go getKalashnikov.”

[@johnfavre3562]

Mike Tyson vs Rickson Gracie in their prime. Rules agreed upon. Who wins?

[@JoshS24]

"Let's train again"

[@VivdIy]

he needs his energy drink at walmart, countrymart, and dollar stores.

[@deadarmd]

I got the solution! 6! Six....Minute....abs!

[@thomasfoolery9513]

Great movie!!! 😂😂😂

[@johnharvey4757]

Maybe you should look up Bill Fessler retired but shot down twice in one day and grabbed a third helicopter in Nam

[@paulmelonas7263]

Jocko, what do you think of recent reports that only 23% of "eligible" military enlistees are physically, mentally, educationally and judically acceptable for service and that quotas have to be substantially dropped in order to make up for the shortfall in manpower?

[@Tacit_Tern]

Only mandatory service will correct our nation's illness

[@therocinante3443]

@@Tacit_Tern I hate to say it.. but yeah

[@paulmelonas7263]

@@Tacit_Tern I don't see how mandatory service cures the problem unless large numbers of the lame and lazy compose an effective fighting force. I don't think so.

[@Zebcaramel]

@@paulmelonas7263 true but the training is supposed to stamp the lame and lazy out of them no?

[@paulmelonas7263]

@@Zebcaramel There was a time when that was true, but in todays military a D.I. probably has to apologize if he makes them cry.

[@CarbonPixel78]

5:20 someone actually tried to Vulcan Neck Pinch Jocko? I don't know if that's stupid or awesomely hilarious.

[@zlippery1]

The terminal List. Jockos opinion?

[@ahmadhashimi926]

Please invite Geoff Thompson the author of the book. Watch my back.

[@nobody-ly9ef]

Physics and gravity trumps a grounded chi.

[@d.webstermartin2752]

Good Deal Dean?

[@wilb6657]

Did Dean call Jocko, "Jockoao"?

[@Duar1503]

Yeah

[@pnwghost]

After listening to the Unraveling series and the Martymade episodes, I have no hope for this country as it currently stands.

[@peterhatch1583]

What about ! Take out !! Food LOL

[@jaydee2620]

I agree but 10% is more realistic. We have to be real bcuz fantasies don’t happen.

[@dr.slavashut]

Hahaha. This is great 👍

[@iamdeerskinn]

🔥🔥🔥

[@weiminghsiung1360]

did u see my cleaning Bag?

[@Bathaling]

I think he just broke my leg

[@jtr2087]

Through the internet?

[@Tacit_Tern]

Do you have skinny knees?

[@luisd5098]

This the dude who looks more like Brazilian everyday??

[@codywilber6885]

Do not agree with the new, “better” flavor profiles of the jocko go. They were perfect before.

[@SwordFighterPKN]

It's interesting how the European marital arts are almost totally ignored.

[@e.e.8589]

Like boxing and wrestling?

[@SwordFighterPKN]

Sure if you want to call boxing karate and wrestling judo you got a point. When "martial arts" are discussed most people think Asian arts not European. HEMA has just as much history as the Asian arts.

[@Mr_Clean]

Is Dean cutting weight?