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@cameronoquinn943 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: these aren't separate pod casts. They have been sitting there, in the same spot, talking non-stop for years.
@Empridon3 жыл бұрын
lol
@Empridon3 жыл бұрын
@@madmoonrabbit agreed
@MrKeeyt-jm3ji3 жыл бұрын
@@madmoonrabbit your underrated is underrated
@lukeslivinlife3 жыл бұрын
All this underrated tbh
@bitkid10413 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@Caine8304 жыл бұрын
I’m a wrestler and it’s like this. Wrestling will give the aggression, the muscle memory to stay on your feet, never be on your back, get off the ground quick as well as the strength and cardio from wrestling. BJJ will give you the submissions that wrestling lacks to finish a fight.
@loristnorton37234 жыл бұрын
Bjj's fight does not end when you are on your back though and that helps in MMA, though.
@pntbalndwrestling4 жыл бұрын
It will lock some things in and it is probably just based on the person, but I never had a problem breaking those "rules" knowing there was a different goal and I wasn't trying to pin. I still got tapped out, but never felt uncomfortable on my back and never shot to my feet if I reversed a position.
@vincechiefexec4 жыл бұрын
I came from the true old school wrestling days when your coach had better not find you laying on your back, or you would suffer a grueling session of sprints, up-downs, etc. So, transitioning to the guard aspect of BJJ proved challenging. However, once I applied some of the same principles of wrestling - hip position, angles, circling - to BJJ, I began to quickly adapt to the guard position.
@tommymc75354 жыл бұрын
Idk.... you can get muscle memory from many different things. Same thing with strength
@KWillo4 жыл бұрын
Older forms of wrestling had submissions i.e. catch wrestling.The modern Olympic freestyle wrestling omitted most submissions.
@nightangelx15134 жыл бұрын
Jiu jitsu summarized Instructor: ok so here’s how you choke someone on the ground Me: but how do you get them in the ground ? Instructor: . . . . Wrestling summarized Instructor: ok here’s how to take someone down Me: ok what do I do from there Instructor: . . .
@danielfbc27444 жыл бұрын
everyone knows how to hug hahahahaha wrestling is bs
@danielfbc27444 жыл бұрын
@Tyler K. Wrestlers never got a chance. They passed out 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 ahahhahahaha
@danielfbc27444 жыл бұрын
@Tyler K. You like to over think about emoji! What this one means? 🖕🏻👆🏻👇🏻🤘🏻Have fun😂🤷🏻♂️
@danielfbc27444 жыл бұрын
Boxers clinch but they really want to hurt you. Wrestlers want score points 🤷🏻♂️
@danielfbc27444 жыл бұрын
Your chihuahua picture is great. You are a kid because you called me a school kid. Good night boy 😂
@Ioannikios1744 жыл бұрын
Wrestling and BJJ just need to become one fully integrated martial art already.
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Ben Askren lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@benjaminpointdexter72803 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 In a boxing match. Idiot
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminpointdexter7280 Your zero finishing skills fighter did that! Sorry! He is st**** like you
@denniss55483 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 End fight? What is that?
@navigatingel61042 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 lol how would BJJ win in a boxing match?
@joelwalmsley72174 жыл бұрын
Echo is such a softly spoken unit
@edwardsmith17684 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@kamlasayeen4 жыл бұрын
at the 10:25 i got mesmerized by his left bicep....couldn't believe the striations...looked like a block of wood...absolute unit
@Reisito3054 жыл бұрын
Most dangerous types
@elvatosquatcho4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of a wise 🦍
@andrabook87584 жыл бұрын
true, I think all his volume is in his bicepts, lol. still don't get how he got them to look like they have stripes tho....mystery.
@33moneyball4 жыл бұрын
He’s not proficient in BJJ....he’s a wrestler who’s learned to avoid certain positions. He’s still using his wrestling. And he has years of it. Obviously a dude with an excellent boxing can become serviceable at kickboxing much faster than someone with no training. The skill set crosses over.
@ryankeels46614 жыл бұрын
Yea, he is most certainly not tapping out these blues from the guard because he picked up jiu litsu... hes smashing and grabbing an americana or something
@PC-qu7zk4 жыл бұрын
33moneyball that’s literally what he said. He said that as a wrestler he is proficient in Bjj. The skill set crosses over but then there’s a bjj guy who tried to wrestler and the skill set doesn’t cross over so that’s why he thinks wrestling is harder than bjj
@plasmabolt9054 жыл бұрын
KasperKen there’s nothing to your argument, it doesn’t even make sense, of course you’re going to get people who grind just as hard in bjj
@plasmabolt9054 жыл бұрын
KasperKen Yh you’re talking about lower level bjj fighters, maybe kids that have been doing it for 2 years, any successful bjj fighter will use it when it benefits the fight. Same goes for wrestling
@plasmabolt9054 жыл бұрын
KasperKen unless you’re talking about Gordon ryan in which case, he’s merely in it for the sport and now he’s minted
@zomiozander63784 жыл бұрын
I was the smallest Marine in my unit, and I beat everyone matched up with me with no official grappling experience besides being an all-state wrestler. I never knew how much wrestling helped me, until I was against some of the biggest Marines around.
@TheHYENA874 жыл бұрын
Zomio Zander question for you, how did you finish everyone in your matches. Just curious what a wrestler would do in the situation you described. Was it mostly rear naked chokes? We’re you getting backs easily? As a long time BJJ guy just curious. Thanks for the story.
@zomiozander63784 жыл бұрын
@@TheHYENA87 yes mostly chokes, rear naked and guillotine, ankle locks were relatively easy to get as well. Good assessment
@zomiozander63784 жыл бұрын
@come see me haha the one Marine I couldn't beat was a homeless cagefighter before he joined, one guy you never want to mess with.
@AmericanTestConstitution4 жыл бұрын
@@TheHYENA87 a lot off people can figure how to twist peoples joints or choke them just from nonsense like watch pro wrestling and traditional kung fu. The real trick is learning the entire body control that wrestling and jujitsu offers, the non submission stuff: escaping and obtaining Guard, half Guard, mount, shrinking, sit outside, rolls, underhook, etc.
@TheHYENA874 жыл бұрын
Alexander Higgins Yea I agree. Position over submission.
@sefiscool98643 жыл бұрын
As a wrestler, I’m saying objectively, that wrestling is the hardest and most important sport of all time.
@shoeplayisbad13 жыл бұрын
when I was young in did high school wrestling hockey, football player both would quit in the warm up. No sport is tougher than wrestling
@Rob.N.3 жыл бұрын
@@shoeplayisbad1 6 minutes feels like 6 hours. Wrestled for 5 years(2 years off now), but I really do want and will get back into it.
@ABCDEF-uz9fd3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like something a boxer would say 😏
@thebignacho2 жыл бұрын
@@shoeplayisbad1 If you can do basic cardio and calisthenics it's not difficult
@shoeplayisbad12 жыл бұрын
@@thebignacho yes it is wrestling is far from basic
@footbalr0744 жыл бұрын
Too be fair, most high school wrestling rooms have a certain amount of grind and external motivation, not to mention they do it every single day for a couple months. Its a bit harder on a casual adult schedule.
@DonWestphal4 жыл бұрын
footbalr074 most kids who wrestle now a days wrestle year around then a couple a months unless they are a mult-sport kid. I don’t know one adult who wrestles unless they are a coach
@treroney47204 жыл бұрын
mike a judo would be more popular in America if it wasn’t so damn conservative.
@pntbalndwrestling4 жыл бұрын
Yes, I agree. Doesn't mean it is impossible.. I push myself the same way daily, but again its kind of part of me now.. either way good point.
@vincechiefexec4 жыл бұрын
@mike a So agreed!
@tommymc75354 жыл бұрын
mike a plenary of people worked harder then you all.... your wrestling team isn’t super human 😂. My wrestling team ran a lot, just like every team in America brother.
@marcoramirez3134 жыл бұрын
At my gym we train all grappling arts and honestly you need the Big 3 grappling trio(Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu, Judo), you need to know multiple takedowns and how to defend them, many submissions from numerous positions, and the unorthodox judo flips people won’t be expecting. These three truly will help your game so much I promise you
@micaylapresley3 жыл бұрын
YES! I always ask the wrestlers for tips and help with my stand up and it's made a huge difference in my stand up and top pressure. I did judo first, so I still use it to this day. Jiu-jitsu is the glue that brings it all together and finishes the fight
@danielfbc27442 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Tyron and Ben lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@youngthugr2 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 In a street it does
@bradvincent25862 жыл бұрын
I believe that but I also don’t have the time or money to study all 3
@pigheartsmith22182 жыл бұрын
You’re so lucky, wish my gym did that. Im teaching myself judo and wrestling at home and then trying shit in the gym
@Trundle_TheGreat4 жыл бұрын
High school wrestling were some of the best years of my life. Been considering getting into BJJ for a while now, there’s a reputable gym about a half hour from me. Just gotta make the time and find the motivation.....
@sirsupesafro76374 жыл бұрын
Same, bro. Wanting to start at a gym with my uncle, cuz he introduced me to BJJ my freshman year and we scrambled for maybe an hour. Loved every second of it, it was awesome, but haven't had the time to go back since. Now that I've finished my last season, tho, I'm looking forward to scrambling in BJJ
@micaylapresley3 жыл бұрын
Just go and watch a class and you'll be motivated. Trust me :)
@phobowl3 жыл бұрын
Come to bjj and get choked. You’ll be hooked. I’ve introduced a couple of wrestling friends to bjj n
@michaelstout79553 жыл бұрын
DO IT! It's so much fun. I'm on my 3rd week and have my first tournament coming up on Saturday and I can't describe how much fun BJJ is.
@harrykeobounhom83563 жыл бұрын
Hey brother just checking and hoping you found that drive to hit the gym!
@daultonstoltz84344 жыл бұрын
I just started BJJ barely a month ago, and I wrestled in high school for a few years. I can say wrestlers going into BJJ will have way more comfortability and will learn the moves A LOT quicker and easier then one who has not wrestled
@jwomackandcheese739 ай бұрын
Basic postions are the same. Knowing how to scramble is already built in to wrestling. Aggression and pace are there. Finishing instinct is there.
@jayp79366 ай бұрын
Yea, its way easier to learn technique than to work on explosiveness and athleticism...
@demonwiper94344 жыл бұрын
I'd take a wrestler over Jiu-Jitsu in a street fight personally, u don't really need to choke someone out when after u suplex them on concrete
@TheRockerRoller4 жыл бұрын
demon wiper I agree that a BJJ guy could win against a wrestler in a BJJ competition, but in a MMA match where ground and pound is allowed, I would say wrestler can edge a BJJ practitioner because they are way more physical and stronger. As a guy who trained Muay Thai and boxing, only wrestlers really terrify me.
@johnmlynczak33364 жыл бұрын
@@TheRockerRoller As Jocko said, look at the early UFC where you saw the style matchups between wrestlers and BJJ guys. BJJ guys won 9/10. Royce was a tiny dude taking on and beating Ken Shamrock.That being said, being held down and getting shit beaten out of you where there is absolutely nothing you can do about it, is one of the most terrifying things that can happen to you. Having someone dress up in PJs and hug you really hard doesnt do the same thing mentally even if it is technically more effective
@TheRockerRoller4 жыл бұрын
John Mlynczak looking back at early UFC, Gracie brought in something that nobody expected or was trained to counter. Hence this amazing success of BJJ. But then wrestlers caught up with it and they had a pretty good answer to BJJ. Then eventually strikers learned to counter take downs and that made MMA the complex sport we have today, where you need to have a decent level in everything then further develop your preferred game.
@ChrisARC4 жыл бұрын
Definitely. Bruce Lee himself has said that someone who’s trained boxing and wrestling for a year can beat a lifelong martial artist in a street fight.
@seekn.destroy40644 жыл бұрын
@@johnmlynczak3336 Ken Shamrock worked his entire career. UFC was in cahoots with the Gracie's. Shamrock just about getting paid. It's just a job.
@reesyman83543 жыл бұрын
Soon as Jocko said “when you get good at jiu jitsu” a ad came on that said “you should get firearm insurance” lol. Came in so perfect lol 👌🏿
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Ben Askren lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@danielfbc27442 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Tyron and Ben lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@MMAengineer Жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 fyi u maybe think u said something but if any combat sport athlete reads this, we just laugh at u for saying stupid sht like that
@danielfbc2744 Жыл бұрын
@Remix God he was hoping to hug him haha
@adamzoubi964 жыл бұрын
I'm a juijitsu guy, not a wrestler but I always feel like these arguments are always unfair to the wrestlers. They always argue wrestlers can't finish fights while juijitsu can. But are we talking about and MMA fight or a BJJ competition??! Ofcourse BJJ wins in a BJJ competition. But in a fight if a wrestler can take you down hold you down and punch your face in I think he wins, a wrestler probably wins more times than a juijitsu guy with no understanding of wrestling. Do I have a point here or what?
@Gus3754 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree with you
@ChrisKing-ou4jq4 жыл бұрын
Adam zoabi agreed especially considering the effectiveness of slams and hard takedowns u learn in wrestling much much more then u learn in bjj
@pghbeaster4 жыл бұрын
Yes, disregard competition rule sets and the wrestler wins as many times as Jocko says BJJ wins in competition. Because you CAN dump someone on their head, and headbutt or whatever else you want in top control
@rtvrn_to_monke49524 жыл бұрын
Not a wrestler but you are correct. If wrestling wasn’t that good, Jiujitsu wouldn’t have absorbed so much technology from Wrestling. Also, in most altercations on the street most jitz your gonna use is the basic fundamentals and those look a lot like wrestling. Take down, take dominant position, use weight and position to hold them down and proceed to pound their face in
@noahodum97374 жыл бұрын
The problem with your argument is factual evidence. I'm speaking as a wrestler here. There's just no evidence of the case when the two fight. Isolation isn't a factor because it isn't repeatable in real life at top level skills-- essentially the UFC or Belator. BJJ has beaten wrestling 9/10 times. :/
@kronzl25593 жыл бұрын
From someone that trains both wrestling and jiu jitsu, Jocko is 100% spot on.
@DannyBoy4262 жыл бұрын
I’m planning on joining a local mma gym by me. They offer a 35 day free trial for new members. I’m 22 years old and want to learn Bjj, boxing and wrestling. Is it too late for me to get real good at these and will it be difficult to juggle learning all three?
@kronzl25592 жыл бұрын
@@DannyBoy426 never too late brother.
@keanenfulton4696 Жыл бұрын
@@DannyBoy426 Never too late! I started almost 2 years ago at 22 years old, almost to my blue Belt 😃
@SpI3eR123 Жыл бұрын
@@kronzl2559 Wud u reccomend starting wrestling first or bjj first. I'm slightly overweight and quite unfit that's why I think bjj will be more sustainable for me to do apposed to the much more physically demanding wrestling classes. I'm 16 what do you think
@zarbon7005 ай бұрын
In the streets...wrestling wins.
@busbystandup13374 жыл бұрын
Well said gentlemen. I'd would add this, if I may: Jiu Jitsu is beautiful technique and is more effective, but it's a complex language that takes several years to become fluent. However, the intensity of wrestling builds a fighter that can live happily and thrive in extreme discomfort and grinding fatigue, while maintaining intensity. There's an old saying in motorsports... "You can solve a lot of problems with horsepower." Wrestlers have insane horsepower, which can go a long ways against higher level combatants
@socalbeachieboy61354 жыл бұрын
Well remember the fist UFC was fixed. The rules favored the Gracie's
@Sorel366 Жыл бұрын
BJJ more effective ? Judokas and wrestlers typically run through bjj guys in bjj rules...
@tjl4688 Жыл бұрын
@@socalbeachieboy6135 "The rules"? It was an open challenge and only the Gracies were up to the task. Royce wasn't the only one wearing a uniform. Art Jimmerson even wore shoes. It's not the Gracies' fault that the other fighters had not trained for vale tudo rules.
@tjl4688 Жыл бұрын
@@Sorel366 Do they? Last I checked, BJJ is dominated by BJJ dudes, not judoka or wrestlers.
@stephengreco51064 жыл бұрын
I wrestled all through high school and ended up qualifying for the state tournament my Senior year. Roughly 3 years later, while I was in college, a friend took me to a number of Jiu Jitsu classes (I went 2 times a week for 4 weeks). Right when I arrived I destroyed the beginners and got moved up to the intermediate group (blue belts). I did very well with them and it was very competitive. I was much better on my feet than the Jiu Jitsu guys. I also tended to have better endurance and many of the stances and positions already felt natural. I was winning often after about 2 weeks. There were 3 more advanced guys there and I joined them briefly. I took one of them down once and then that was the last good thing that I did. I proceeded to get the crap kicked out of my for about 40 minutes. I learned that wresting can only get you so far and once someone really knows Jiu Jitsu a wrestler can only do so much.
@timlamb11562 жыл бұрын
Agreed, there is a level you reach where you need to add tools to your game to keep progressing. I also think that folkstyle is not as effective as freestyle to learn to flow while doing bjj.
@ws8061 Жыл бұрын
IME a lot of the more inexperienced BJJ guys kinda get a little bit of a chip on their shoulder and wanna prove they can wrestle with you (they can't most times) but the more experienced guys know wrestling a wrestler is dumb, you beat the wrestler with your BJJ. Basically what they were saying at the end there.
@KKSuited Жыл бұрын
@@timlamb1156 disagree. Freestylers spend very little time on the ground and when they do, the types of attacks used aren't as applicable. Folkstylers have to be solid on the feet and on the ground. That ground time results in more solid top control and mat returns. Yoel Romero is a perfect example. He could takedown anyone, but he wasn't ever efficient on the ground. Ben Askren on the other hand crawled all over BJJ black belts (except Maia but Maia is Maia).
@timlamb1156 Жыл бұрын
@@KKSuited I typed that wrong, I agree with you, just typed it wrong
@timlamb1156 Жыл бұрын
@@ws8061 that’s a two way street, it takes much longer for a bjj guy to pick up wrestling in my experience, wrestlers generall adjust in 6 months or less and generally pick up technique quickly. But most bjj guys are not good at takedowns, I honestly think most older bjj guys, over 18 never really learn to understand push pull takedowns, seems like they can pick up the defense decently, but offense wrestling is a thing that is best developed in youth.
@napalminthemorning8309 Жыл бұрын
I wrestled in HS and did some BJJ in college, and my favorite guy to go against was this Georgian judo black belt. It’s so fun seeing people from different backgrounds meet in the middle in BJJ. We took each other seriously and it was so fun getting our throws and takedowns in. He was very serious, I think both as a Georgian and judoka it was his attitude. I loved it about him. My BJJ instructor instantly knew I wrestled on my stance alone. I was surprised how few guys in our class had wrestling experience. Like two others. They were fun to roll with too. And they were good. One was from Cali, and he was fun as hell. I wrestled in Vegas so I was used to wrestling Cali wrestlers. And I will say that besides the roughhouse lineman farm boys, the difference between the ones who had wrestling and judo experience vs the pure BJJ guys-even higher ranked belts, it was just different in mindset, grind, toughness and overall attack-style. I was kinda surprised how I would kind of “win the battle” in a way-kind of putting the hurt on them, applying all that pressure and doing what wrestlers do-but the better Jiu Jiteiro would still end up winning the war because they rode it out and knew the submissions. It was fascinating and very fun.
@brandonmcninja4 жыл бұрын
Both compliment each other beautifully. Great podcast, Jocko
@teamhazardous2014 жыл бұрын
Judo is often neglected as an alternative to wrestling for Jiu Jitsu players.
@PeterHartog4 жыл бұрын
because modern Judo doesn't allow low-body takedowns anymore (like single/double leg takedowns), which are quite common in BJJ
@teamhazardous2014 жыл бұрын
@@PeterHartog good point. Gotta go old school with the judo. Also the modern judo is like greco-roman wrestling. They also don't attack the legs.
@AztecUnshaven4 жыл бұрын
@@PeterHartog indeed, but in the older days (early 20th century) Judo was Jiujitsu and Jiujitsu was Judo, it was all united and very well rounded. Takedowns were emphasized to be damaging and brutal to your enemy, often spiking the opponent on their head. Wrestling back then also had plenty of submissions thanks to Catch Wrestling. Both Mitsuyo Maeda and Kimura came across many Catch Wrestlers in their time. This used to be a big part of Kungfu styles too, as Shuajiao clinch throws and single legs were a big part of Kungfu's training, together with strikes, kicks, locks etc...
@teamhazardous2014 жыл бұрын
@@AztecUnshaven my MMA system preaches that same thing. Judo is Jujutsu. Jujutsu (Japanese) is the father system that BJJ and Judo derived so they are meant to together.
@jedijudoka4 жыл бұрын
Team Hazardous you can attack the legs with your own legs, you just can’t use your hands. Greco is no tripping either.
@pano63914 жыл бұрын
I know a high level wrestler, full ride, success in university, success against international level opponents. Upon beginning bjj, he was immediately effective at gaining positional control over everyone, black belts included, in no gi, and marginally less successful with gi. He wasn't often submitting the high-level guys, he knew how to squeeze someone's neck, but within the point system of bjj he was winning more often than not. He would himself occasionally get caught in triangles and arm bars. In the gi, he had difficulty passing from full guard. Within weeks, he was consistently winning in no gi, often via submissions, kimura and darce. Within a few months he was choking high belts with their own lapels. This was at white belt. Everyone felt much better when he was promoted. Take an equally high level bjj student and he wouldn't have nearly the same success among wrestlers even given much more time. A quality wrestling base lends itself to learning other disciplines better than any other. Edit: I'll add that day one in no gi and the high level belts quickly had no qualms going for heels hooks, etc.
@jeromes51834 жыл бұрын
Pano what you’re describing is simple to explain, and Jocko did it - athleticism. If you’re a D-1 athlete your physical ability is just better. You’re functioning at a higher level. So of course when you’re facing a room full of lower level athletes you are gonna be dominant, but it doesn’t mean a lesser athlete that has a long wrestling background has a “better base.” Just means they’re better at a couple things.
@John333Scout4 жыл бұрын
This is true for grappling but many many wrestlers, high levels and very athletic are very poor strikers, there are occasions when they are good (these are usually some of the most gifted and best fighters) but generally, they are too stiff and slow in quick light movements. Aka light on the feet, footwork, ability/dexterity to kick, range of motion, usually to slow or stiff generate the power on kicks or punches. Very strong but don't have the whip or loose shoulders and body flow. It's the little things. It is the same reason that exceptional athletes can usually look ridiculous throwing a baseball (if they didn't do it growing up) it is stiff awkward and very slow and bad. Same thing with kicks and punches. Wrestling does not lend itself to learning high-level striking disciplines very well (Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Western Boxing, and Karate), only grappling. But if you have a high-level wrestling base and a general natural talent to strike or background in other sports/movements that translate well to striking, then you are a bad MF and most these wrestlers in the UFC talked about are these guys (Jon Jones, Stipe, Cormier, Woodley, Usman, Romero, Cejudo, and etc.)
@John333Scout4 жыл бұрын
I do want to add besides just grappling, wrestlers build in other attributes that don't necessarily fit into one discipline of MMA but are needed in the overall understanding and success in the sport. Like confidence, strength, athleticism, toughness, stamina, grit, will/determination, coachability, drilling, and just knowing the work you have to put in to be successful in a combat sport. It can make them a handful in any martial art even if they are poor strikers, they usually are still tough SOBs and a handful.
@SifuPuma4 жыл бұрын
Wrestling really is a great base. My niece is only a couple years old and struggles to pick up the finer points of throwing kicks/punches, but shes got a nasty single leg takedown.
@danielashman17534 жыл бұрын
Great analysis Mr. Willink! Insightful and some good stuff here I hadn't considered.
@AJHDC2 жыл бұрын
This is spot on. I rarely hear such an accurate take - Appreciate it Jocko.
@earsonlyaudio8874 жыл бұрын
I was a wrestler for 6 years and reasonably good at it. The entire debate between these two forms of the best sport in the world seems pointless. If you achieve a certain amount of success, in either form of grapling, you are one of the most elete athletes in the world. You have a combination of strength, speed, agility, mental toughness that surpasses the very top competitors in other sports. You are the toughest of the tough, the baddest of the bad. Anybody willing to step on a mat where you know with complete certainty that the other guy is going to try ripping you limb from limb, and they've trained hard for years just to come whip your ass, right here, today, their only reason for even showing up is to take you down and stomp on your dream of reaching the top, my friend, anybody who is willing to face that down and fight back is a bad ass son of a gun. Hat's off to you, regardless of what form of grapling you choose.
@Viroh4 жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? They argued that in the end, jiujitsu will triumph and is more time effective, so why not go with a more effective instead of less effective. Life is short.
@max_grapples52344 жыл бұрын
VirohXL Ears only wasn’t talking about combat effectiveness but rather mental effectiveness
@LtGlenn4 жыл бұрын
Completely agree, really this arguments/discussions mostly serve the point of nerding out for enthusiasts, which I'm all about also. But we can all agree, if you grapple... Respect
@billdavis31834 жыл бұрын
@@Viroh BJJ will triumph in a BJJ match. Take it outside and see if takedowns don't matter after you get your head slammed into the concrete. BJJ and wrestling are complementary.
@MikookNamja4 жыл бұрын
Wrestling is a serious competitive sport with better trained and disciplined athletes. Jiu jitsu is more fun and more inclusive.
@pntbalndwrestling4 жыл бұрын
I've been around wrestling for a long time, participating and coaching, and this is pretty much spot on! Wrestling is great, it will help you with grappling, it is a very demanding sport, and is very intense! Knowledge of submissions alone is just too valuable, even if you are just trying not to get tapped. Like they said, athleticism is one of the biggest things you get from wrestling. The other thing that I find very useful after wrestling for a while is knowing how the body works and how people move in different scenarios. You get that from Jiu Jitsu too, but to the person leaving the comment, going into it with that prior knowledge vs people who may not completely understand that yet is a huge advantage. Also, the "motivation" point was a good one too. Drilling takedowns for hours is no joke, but is necessary for proper technique, all the while knowing there is a much simpler, more practical alternative! Well, that's a wrap.
@danielsterling49184 жыл бұрын
Daaaaaaan Gable
@MrAlexmiele89104 жыл бұрын
Cael Sandersooooooooon
@irisgonzalez-caulder48174 жыл бұрын
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@irisgonzalez-caulder48174 жыл бұрын
@@MrAlexmiele8910 Swink was a blessing
@danielsterling49184 жыл бұрын
@@irisgonzalez-caulder4817 wut...?
@jacobjohn3783 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to hear your perspective Jocko. Thank you.
@DavidPat4 жыл бұрын
As a wrestler, I had a really hard time adjusting to the idea that someone can do what is known to be illegal in collegiate wrestling 😅 . The concepts of Jiu-Jitsu make sense to me though just because I've had years of practicing leverage, hand control and balance.
@brucebanner35664 жыл бұрын
Wrestling is just grappling without the submissions. Add submissions and you are dangerous.
@aaronsimpson54174 жыл бұрын
TheOne111 I agree. Mr banner seems to have never seen the power and sheer insanity and hate that some of the great wrestlers posses. Jiu jitsu is a good self defense program, sure. But if you wanna learn how to make another man wilt and give up like a coward, wrestling is the key
@brucebanner35664 жыл бұрын
@@aaronsimpson5417 seems? You must be good at assumptions. I grew up around friends who all wrestled. As the one put it, position before submissions. Read what I put and this time try to interpret it or just ignore it. It's not that serious, just an opinion, besides any style can win in a fight, it's more about the practioner and less about the style. Keep in mind Royce Gracie beat lots of oponnents consecutively in a row in one night, quite a few times using less energy than his opponents. Everyone is good at different skills. Wrestlings early history always included submissions, they had to take the good stuff out to be able to teach it in school or a lot of kids would go around beating people up I'm guessing.
@andrewgiegerich55264 жыл бұрын
@@brucebanner3566 remember Matt Hughes vs Gracie lol
@alantinoalantonio4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewgiegerich5526 Yep, but look at Marcelo Garcia training with Ben Askren. Marcelo could of killed him whenever he felt like it.
@andrewgiegerich55264 жыл бұрын
@@alantinoalantonio yea when they are rolling jits in a real fight he would have to take ben askren down And ben isn't even great on his feet in wrestling
@danielsterling49184 жыл бұрын
*Daaaaaaan Gable*
@jason16024 жыл бұрын
Legend
@diggles13743 жыл бұрын
GOAT
@mpmcarthur13713 жыл бұрын
Amazing dude
@Lastkingofulster4 жыл бұрын
One advantage I had when I started BJJ was my fitness from gym, Gaelic football and rugby, I trained competively in those sports and it gave me a better mindset to learn plus rugby tackle made it easier to learn takedowns
@guillaumeparola4 жыл бұрын
I train BJJ and just picked some Wrestling class for fun. I definitely got my BJJ better after a few hours of Wrestling due to two main factors: getting people to the ground + using your "head" to push your opponent and facilitate transitions. Probably due to my lack of experience (white belt) but so far haven't seen the "head" being so much used in BJJ vs Wrestling.
@LtGlenn4 жыл бұрын
Once you transition to blue belt they'll start teaching you about the head as a limb, it can be overwhelming for those getting the basics down. Agreed though wrestling fills several gaps but I like NO GI as a balance
@micaylapresley3 жыл бұрын
We use the head for everything in Jiu-jitsu. You're still learning fundamentals, but you'll see later :)
@calebmills88094 жыл бұрын
At my BJJ/mma school we get taught both of them. In many ways it's just a grappling class then focusing on one of the arts exclusively. The entire gym kills it in competition and I think that's a HUGE factor in it. It's much harder to exploit a weakness when you have your bases covered at the begining and then specialize later
@andrewsanborn6034 жыл бұрын
I’m taking my third jiu jitsu class on Sunday so far it’s been so much fun. Thank you for motivating me daily jocko
@frankcastle54264 жыл бұрын
Expect to get crushed for six months. you will he able to beat most new guys that join after you. :)
@andrewsanborn6034 жыл бұрын
Frank Castle I enjoy it so far because when you do get tapped they will always show you how and what to do to combat it
@alfredmohammed91973 жыл бұрын
How’s it going now I just started myself and I love it!
@C0d0ps2 жыл бұрын
How’re you doting 2y later? I have been doing mma on and off for 1 year going on 2y in autumn Starting bjj in autumn for first time gonna be super fun
@jrtien3 жыл бұрын
I am blessed to have access to an instructor who focuses heavily on wrestling takedowns and solid jiujitsu. Part of me hates the grind of wrestling technique, but exposure and proficiency in wrestling technique and jiujitsu is truly formidable.
@ryanm73104 жыл бұрын
This is really accurate. I remember going to jiujitsu for the first time I was 27 had not done a sport since college and was smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. However I did wrestle from about 8 to 18 so I had that background. The first weeks were tough cause I was so out of shape. But even then I did not have much trouble with any white belts. After a few months I was able to control and submit white belts no problem and a lot of the blue belts also. What I found that helped a lot was my coach saying don’t fight for submissions fight for position. So I would take people down and just stay super heavy on top until a submission would present itself. I also had no problem laying on my back playing my guard. I didn’t necessarily have an offensive guard but it would allow me to catch my breath and explode. Unfortunately I tore my mcl and haven’t been back since July 🤦🏻♂️......but plan on getting back into. Jiujitsu and wrestling are both awesome humbling sports.
@alrumuller93004 жыл бұрын
I rolled a whole bunch with a friend and his brother, both of which were wrestlers on a national level. The takedowns and ability to hold position was absolutely insane. The only problem is, when wrestlers train and compete, their game stops where jiu jitsu is only getting warmed up. So obviously they started picking up submissions and such, but the instinct to relax as soon as my back was on the ground never wore off.
@af4396 Жыл бұрын
Excellent points, and furthermore, most wrestlers learn when they are kids. Trying teaching a 35 year old who joined BJJ (or even some unathletic 20 year olds) to move between bent postures and shoot to their knees. Even learning to put your weight on your heel instead of your knee when you shoot properly is difficult. And in BJJ, you don't need to do that. You can definitely defend it, but you may as well use Judo (also hard to master, but it's much more conservative in energy usage).
@Reddogg387 Жыл бұрын
35 isn’t 55. Many 35 year olds are still in their prime
@slipperysteve85 ай бұрын
If your weight is on your heel when you are shooting you are doing it wrong
@cameronc41314 жыл бұрын
I came over from wrestling to jiu jitsu late in high school and I just wasn't getting it. I remember having a clear thought around a month in that everything I was learning in jiu jitsu made perfect natural sense to me, but i was carrying over too many bad habits from wrestling and I was frustrated with the pacing like Jocko said. I've never had someone explain it like that and I'm glad I'm not the only one with that issue
@gibbjonathan224 жыл бұрын
This was a great video, watched it twice.
@dlucasgalt4 жыл бұрын
Did jujitsu for awhile and after 6 months of 6 days a week for 4-6 hours a day sometimes longer on the Saturdays. I felt that the toughest guy was this college level wrestler who trained in bjj occasionally. When I started, I couldn't beat him, by the time I was done it was a great match and occasionally I could get the tap. I personally feel that having no wrestling background was a huge disadvantage, but definitely could tell that given a little more time in bjj i would be consistently tapping him. Even he complemented me on the growth in my training. But I have no doubts at all, that had he been able to train in bjj as often as I was, with his feel for life on the ground, I would've never been a match for him. If I was starting over I would get all the wrestling I could until I was at least a blue belt in bjj simply for the raw development that wrestling seems to have. Just my opinion.
@mwithers13 Жыл бұрын
Listening to you guys talk grappling is pure gold. Thank you for the tips. A lot of gems dropped here. One of my coaches was a D1 wrestler and whenever I can I try to drill as much wrestling as possible to get that motor going
@jackjack4412 Жыл бұрын
Do you drill solo or with a partner?
@NoelWesley4 жыл бұрын
I agree with learning how to break the rules of wrestling. I'm lucky I had a great Instructor back in the '90's, David Kilpin. He taught us a few "other" holds that came in handy later in my Security career which saved my life on a few occassions.
@jimmybamslam4 жыл бұрын
I got my son into a wrestling program to help with his jits game.... it has helped his jits game immensely. He now has a good top game AND bottom game.
@adamlv1 Жыл бұрын
I started wrestling around my 5th grade year in school and I was immediately pretty successful at it. I won district championships 6th, 7th, and 8th grade and did some freestyle on the side. I was a 4 sport athlete to start, doing every sport that was available for me in middle school. My freshman year in high school I remember I was on the football field and it was halfway through the season and a few of the popular kids got to play every second of every game and I had played maybe 2 plays on defense at the very end after the game was already won or lost. One game, I was just chilling on the sidelines and a receiver for the other team had caught a pass and was flying right at me and all I did was put my arms up and deflected him off me so he wouldn’t smash me. Well I guess the refs thought I needed to catch him. He bounced off me and flew about 15 feet behind me into a concrete wall. I could hardly believe what happened, whistles were blowing and people were all screaming and yelling. I had teammates laughing and cheering me on telling me it was funny as hell, the coaches from the other team were screaming about it and I had no idea what happened. But when I looked down and saw the kid on the ground upside down against that wall behind me I seen between his face mask and realized it was a kid that used to pick on me back in elementary school. Some of the guys on my team remembered him and it was a great payback, but completely inadvertent. I was celebrated as the “stick” of the week for that, and it was by accident on the sideline. That was when I quit football, and all other sports and I became a wrestler all year round. Those early years in wrestling were crucial because we do not naturally know how to manipulate another human body that is pressing on you. So only after years of wrestling do you start to develop those fundamental skills that make it so you can grab onto another person and push or pull or tie and Schuck him off and you can set up your offense based on the kniwledge you have that his body will react a certain way to all of those movements. The best way to set up a great throw is to give him a good hard shove and he will automatically push back into you because he doesn’t want to get run off the mat. The moment you shove into him then you don’t have to wait for him to react, you already know it’s going to happen, and you can just fold down below him and throw him in a head & arm and his momentum will carry him right over the top of you. Wrestling is unparalleled in preparing someone for combat. Because just in my wrestling careeer because it was so popular and during the season we had duals every week and tournaments every weekend, I wrestled I estimate 400 matches. There is no other discipline that would give you even close to 400 live matches of experience against other opponents that also work hard at wrestling. It’s not a joke. My senior year in high school I wrestled 50 matches alone and I went 36-14 and got 4th in the state tournament. After that much live wrestling for so many years there is nothing to grabbing onto another human being and exacting forces necessary to subdue them any way you choose. It is all second nature by this point. If a wrestler grabs hold of a guy that never wrestled he can do any number of moves on him and before that person has even figured out what is hsppening to them, the wrestler could have shot a double leg, lifted with his hips and jacked him high in the air, and as the guy is falling transition into a leg ride so even before they hit the ground the wrestler would already be working on his 4th or 5th move and the guy that hit the ground has no idea what is happening. Wrestling is just a must to develop those fundamentals to be perfectly comfortable grabbing people and having them grab you.
@timtimkthy29454 жыл бұрын
This video deserves to be as long as it it for this question
@Frey808 Жыл бұрын
This is the only discussion I've found on the subject of wrestling & BJJ. 100% agree with everything said. I'm an NCAA experienced wrestler at a loss to finishing or submitting. Also, gassing out is a huge self-inflicted issue. Thanks Joko! Now I need a good resource to translate my wrestling experiance to BJJ in an efficient manner.
@augmenticacreations21512 жыл бұрын
3 years into my jitsu and im just learning how to mix wrestling with bjj. I had to learn what to take out my game. Like going to back, strength energy etc. Now ive learned to slow down wait and explode but also finish
@Syndister4 жыл бұрын
I’m Australian, played rugby my whole life. I picked up wrestling straight away, it is not difficult for me. Jiu jitsu on the other hand I really struggle off my back. I’m ok on top and controlling people but put me on my back and I’m fairly fucked - I usually just resort to scrambling and wrestling to get to my feet, especially while sparring.
@Deege23 жыл бұрын
Alphonzo “fairy fucked” Lmaoo I love that phrase 🤙🏾
@Deege23 жыл бұрын
Fairly
@danielfbc27442 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Tyron and Ben lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@kylebulldog21152 жыл бұрын
Keep going my friend..keep going and keep going, Until you're good off your back !!
@ws8061 Жыл бұрын
I didn't play rugby but in the Navy we had a club and some of the rugby guys would come down to the Mats to learn. One thing I found interesting a lot of the fundamentals and ideas from the scrum on head position, leverage, and control are somewhat similar to those in grappling and more specifically wrestling.
@JacksonHighlander4 жыл бұрын
At 5:55, I'd also add endurance/stamina. I could wrestle through 10 minutes at one point. Thats alot of bullying around.
@jeffshackleford31524 жыл бұрын
Smart as well
@UserName-ii1ce4 жыл бұрын
If u do BJJ look into Sub Only. At my tournament 2 old dudes fought for an hour straight. That is one match lmao
@LonersGuide4 жыл бұрын
Stamina is huge in wrestling.
@danielfbc27444 жыл бұрын
Wrestlers are so weak on endurece that they added rounds to give advantage to them! It’s just a stupid point system to spend rounds hugging! Wrestlers = zero effectiveness in real world!
@dragonthebeast7304 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 damn.no wonder more than half the ufc champions are wrestlers
@TheSportsWarriors4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the amazing video.
@jacksondunphey2620 Жыл бұрын
As someone who wrestled in highs school, I fell in love with it and I miss it. There isn’t much access to wrestling after graduation except collegiate level, but I’m not going to college. I went to an open mat at a Jiu Jitsu academy today and there are a lot of good habits that carry through, yet I do have trouble with getting on my back and not immediately wanting to escape when I’m on bottom. Everything jocko said is 100% accurate and I’m looking forward to training Jiu Jitsu in the future with this breakdown. Thank guys
@bobfaam5215 Жыл бұрын
Catch wrestling has much more submission holds than BJJ and these submission holds are brutal too . Also catch has takedowns and throws too .
@barryirvingj1813 Жыл бұрын
You got Pro Wrestling, Collegiate Wrestling & you got MMA
@bobfaam5215 Жыл бұрын
@@barryirvingj1813 MMA is not exactly wrestling. U can use any martial art in MMA . Pro wrestling is essential pre worked out catch wrestling 🤼♀️
@strongbear33694 жыл бұрын
Wrestler here, I learned how to cable choke and immediately was able to go toe to toe with some JuJitsu buddies
@micaylapresley3 жыл бұрын
How many years did you wrestle and how many years did they grapple?
@strongbear33693 жыл бұрын
@@micaylapresley Been wrestling 6 years. The guys I grappled with had just about the same experience as I did but in Jujitsu. Both right around 170 in weight.
@grantmacias94373 жыл бұрын
ok and same, vice versa so it really doesn’t matter me and my friend(wrestler) had a friendly fight and he couldn’t take me down and i just caught him in a guillotine and my friend was a legit wrestler he wasn’t bad so it’s whatever both are good
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15953 жыл бұрын
I think what some people don’t want to admit, is that while wrestling and bjj are both legit, people are ignoring the grappling tactics/personality of the given 2 people grappling. Wrestler A might beat BJJ guy A , but not BJJ guy b. But Wrestler B might beat BJJ guy b but not BJJ guy A.
@hammer124823 жыл бұрын
@@grantmacias9437 I've trained in several gyms and if I had a nickel every time I've gotten a back from a simple double leg or single I'd have about $10. Jiu jitsu people don't train takedowns enough. I've specifically had instructors add lessons on basic wrestling to counter noobs entering gyms... me. They are solid in jiu jitsu, but its annoying when a newbie taps you from a quick rear choke.
@vinjoaquin4 жыл бұрын
Great video ! My son is 11, has been doing Bjj since 5, started wrestling at 8, and is having a hard time with wrestling. He says he feels very limited on what he can do when wrestling.
@timlamb11562 жыл бұрын
Different sports, at that young age I think it's confusing to change back and fourth, stick with it though, the wrestling is very valuable in bjj.
@davema26144 жыл бұрын
Beautiful answer, and discussion.
@scotturban543 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting
@jacobbrendle1508 Жыл бұрын
I like how he says your first competition you don't expect that intensity and it's so true. I've always been super dominant in my jiu jitsu. When I started I was 230 pounds pretty shredded and I was so dominant in the training room subbing blue belts and holding my own with purple belts then I got into my first competition(1 month in) and it was a whole different ball game I ended up getting third place winning two of my matches out of four but my very first match was utterly dominated and submitted in a minute by a guy who I should have beat 100% because I couldn't match that intensity right off the bat. So funny to look back at that now how much stronger I was back then but how easy it would be for future me to kill past me even after losing 30 lb of muscle.
@LtGlenn4 жыл бұрын
I never wrestled (actually I quit after a week as a freshman in high school because it was too tough for me at that point) but I have incredible respect for wrestlers. The period where you can almost laugh at how easy it is to submit them is relatively short lived. Their minds are IMPRINTED to pay attention and work harder than pretty much any athlete. (I've also learned it takes a lot of effort for them to understand the idea of a slow roll 😅) As long as they maintain that open mindedness and a bit of humility they will learn fast. Agree that the other way around is much harder, and coming from a guy with knee injuries pure wrestling is too high risk for me to engage in training regularly. I think we can all agree NO GI is a lovely balance and all have their place. 🤝
@xGatorchomp28x Жыл бұрын
Is NO GI the lowest chance of injury?
@scott8049 Жыл бұрын
I quit freshman year too. It was the compound fracture accident that I witnessed.
@loganleroy86222 ай бұрын
As a D1 wrestler I got the chance to train Judo and BJJ for 3 months. The idea of a “slow roll” was crazy to me. It just screamed of laziness and not wanting to push yourself to be better. Of course I made mistakes, because certain good positions in wrestling are disadvantageous in other styles, but I could keep popping back up and they were so exhausted. The idea should be to train as hard as possible and push yourself to your physical limits to build your endurance
@xerodefects2 жыл бұрын
My first BJJ tournament really hit me hard in so many ways I wasn't prepared for. I had never rolled in front of hundreds of people which made me nervous the second I realized it on the mat. My first opponent was missing a hand and that kind of threw me off. Was beat in less than a minute. I was really mad at that loss. Thankful for the opportunity to try again my next opponent I went full agro. Ref said go, I grabbed the dudes collar whipping him up and down. He tells me to take it easy and I knew right there this match is mine. Got a triangle choke seconds later and my first bronze medal.
@andrewsobush5475 Жыл бұрын
I went from jui jitsu to high school wrestling it took awhile to unlearn being comfortable on my back. However the jui jitsu taught me slick reversals on the mat. I used to get in trouble for attempting submissions after takedown a lot because the position was right there. My favorite is the anaconda choke instead of the gator roll. It follows the head and arm rule in wrestling.
@joco87004 жыл бұрын
As a former NCAA wrestler who has played around rolling with a couple BJJ guys, this is pretty spot on. I can take them down pretty much at will but then don’t really know what to do. I can usually keep from getting into a bad position but most of the time, I just want to learn some technique, not flail and try to dominate with strength alone.
@thac0twenty3776 ай бұрын
whatever coach said don't do, do it lol. same issue
@ethanbatman66234 жыл бұрын
I am in my last hear of high school wrestling and I think its 100 percent the mindset that sets wrestlers apart in BJJ or MMA, as a wrestler, you NEED to be aggressive, you are ALWAYS looking for an opening to attack and are so much more used to getting the shit beat out of them and how to take it.
@biggestbeast14953 жыл бұрын
You had a wrestling core foundation to bring along with you to your first ever jiu jitsu class. This helped you progress significantly faster than someone who wouldn't have that core wrestling foundation brought to their first ever bjj class. In my opinion... but hey what do I know.
@adrianacosta88683 жыл бұрын
This is true, I’m barely a one stripe white belt but this new guy started showing up to our no gi class, he’s a really solid wrestler his takedowns were insane but he couldn’t finish them and I ended up tapping him out multiple times. He’s been showing up for some weeks now and is getting better as his jiu jitsu is getting better.
@microfarmers2 жыл бұрын
I wrestled for one year & studied Judo/Jujitsu for three years. I'm not an expert at either, but in a controlled setting I would give the edge to wrestling due to it's aggressive nature. I've been in a few spontaneous random fights and my Jujitsu training seemed to be more practical in that arena. I guess it would just come down to three things Skill, aggression and luck. Assuming the contestants are of equal physical stats. Great podcast!
@lm10_dxz918 ай бұрын
How did you use your Jiu Jitsu in these fights?
@filthersea36643 жыл бұрын
I’m a former high school wrestler, who just started doing jujitsu last week. I have no problem taking people down. But he is correct once I got to the ground, I had no idea how to finish which led to me getting tapped multiple times.
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Ben Askren lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@filthersea36643 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 Next time you’re in a fight, double leg someone then drop them on their head I guarantee you the fight will be over
@LUKERJ Жыл бұрын
Ben Askren boxed Jake Paul. He was not allowed to wrestle or take him down.
@TheRedHaze3 Жыл бұрын
@@filthersea3664 Depending on the surface, the fight isn't the only thing that will be over..
@tribunation4 жыл бұрын
I'd like to hear Jocko has to say in regards to the differences between jiu-jitsu applied to self defense vs sport jiu-jitsu how it changes in regards to weapons and multiple attackers.
@vespaman1014 жыл бұрын
I was president of my universities MMA club and I also formerly wrestled in high school. It was so difficult teaching my guys to wrestle. They constantly challenged the notion of fighting off pins and fighting to defend to get takedowns. They failed to see the efficacy of it. And it was nearly impossible to teach them because they constantly wanted to pull guard or easily went to their backs. They rarely fought for the takedowns. Its extremely hard to teach someone who has that jiujitsu background the importance of simply wrestling. The only way I could was by smashing them and forcing them to learn.
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Ben Askren lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@vespaman1013 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 that was a boxing match. Not a fight. No wrestling allowed.
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
@@vespaman101 yes! Wrestling doesn’t teach you how to finish a fight
@vespaman1013 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 that's fine it doesn't have to. It teaches you how to gain dominant position. Which is then used to finish fights. If this was a bout where Askren was allowed to wrestle Jake paul wouldn't be able to win. He was caught in a clinch in that fight. Is Askren could have continued to wrestle all of his punching would be nullified.
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
@@vespaman101 Positions are great. BJJ, boxing, Muay Thai end fights. Therefore, wrestling is a inferior or incomplete “martial art”
@crazyhdvids44863 жыл бұрын
Wrestling is great to have in your back pocket when learning Jiu-Jitsu because wrestlers have amazing top control
@danielfbc27442 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Tyron and Ben lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@loganleroy86222 ай бұрын
That’s because wrestling is entirely about controlling your opponent against his will, without being allowed to hurt him to encourage him to bend to your will.
@EverteFarnell4 жыл бұрын
There are places you can still learn catch wrestling, submissions included.
@BMill884 жыл бұрын
I started out wrestling and have 2 years BJJ experience and am a blue belt. I feel like I do most well against other wrestlers as they seem to fall into submissions easier. I definitely have a wrestling style to my bjj but I had to learn to be patient instead of rushing everything.
@joshsoliva95.3 жыл бұрын
Catch Wrestling SAKURABA!!!!! Wrestling with submissions is the pure wrestling
@lastmanstanding54232 жыл бұрын
Catch-As-Catch-Can is the pinnacle of grappling
@staticunion9508 Жыл бұрын
I think we should add more wrestling type moves into all bjj classes. It would make bjj unstoppable
@Anonymous-go7if Жыл бұрын
Exactly! I’m a purple belt, compete at European champs etc my ground game is super strong, super strong. But standing I am on the vulnerable side.
@thomasjudy3580 Жыл бұрын
Welcome to judo
@thomasjudy3580 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. My kids coach is a us champion in Greco and freestyle. He got choked out in a match and has explained how to choke others using the headlock. Furthermore a double wrist lock is a hammer lock is a kimura.
@kingetzel27556 ай бұрын
At what point would it cease to be bjj and just revert back to catch wrestling though? Because a surprising amount of bjj submissions stem from catch wrestling. The primary difference is (to my understanding) catch wrestling is more about applying submissions to regain the top position, as opposed to intentionally fighting from your back.
@karlchristie18564 жыл бұрын
I relate to this video so much! I've done BJJ for a semester, coming in with a wrestling background I was told I was burning hot. After two months though I tapped blue belts every once in a while.
@danielfbc27444 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha without BJJ you are just a hugger!!!
@micaylapresley3 жыл бұрын
Because you've been wrestling a lot longer than the blue belts. Go with grapplers with the same number of years on the mats for a better comparison. There's definitely a crossover. It's awesome you tried it out :)
@karlchristie18563 жыл бұрын
@@micaylapresley You're right and I failed to mention that one of those blue belts was like 40 and I'm 23, 6'4 and 220 so I typically have more physicality to leverage on less experienced opponents. For instance whenever the older guy would get side control I'd put my arm over the back of his neck and roll him over the top so that I'd end up in side control. This move is super easy to counter with a von Flue choke... which I've tapped to more times than I care to admit... Either way it's been a fantastic learning experience and I can't wait to do more of it.
@dominicpassanisi49644 жыл бұрын
Everything he’s said in the first 5 minutes so far is spot on
@buddy228010124 жыл бұрын
I practiced judo for 30 years and competed for years. After high school and college many guys started judo because there was few places to wrestle in the 70s and 80s. Wrestlers were easy to submit with choke holds manly because they kept their chin up. They were also subjected to arm bars because they extended their arms. However after a few weeks most wrestlers were playing at a green belt level. Where as a non wrestler would take at least a year to 18 months to get to that level. Choke holds and arms bars were learned very quickly by wrestlers.
@natefarmer58404 жыл бұрын
As a former long time wrestler and a new BJJ student, I've been thinking about this recently. My sample size for BJJ is small as well so I could very well be wrong. I believe that the disconnect between the two styles happens in the training. Wrestlers are taught aggression and intensity. "Make them feel your power!" "Break them!" All things that were screamed at me since I was 5. I was in constant competition with my teammates. The BJJ community is much more supportive toward each other. Training is much more civilized. Hardly anyone loses their cool. I agree with Jocko's assessment that all things being equal aBJJ player beats a wrestler. But I would add that a wrestler can pick up Jiu Jitsu fast than a JJ player can pick up wrestling due to the aggressive mindset alone. No hate. Love them both.
@panosts61783 жыл бұрын
If Sambo was easy it would be called jiu-jitsu -Khabib Nurmagomedov It kind of is one sport in Russia
@edoardobertini46143 жыл бұрын
That shirt was joke. Khabib was trolling.
@alexrandell91993 жыл бұрын
@@edoardobertini4614 of course he was, Khabib loves to poke fun
@wayne47able3 жыл бұрын
And every athlete from Russia is literally on steroids, that’s why they got kicked out of the olympics
@alexrandell91993 жыл бұрын
@@wayne47able I don’t think the Dagestan guys are juicing, given the UFC testing policy
@wayne47able3 жыл бұрын
@@alexrandell9199 Dagestan is part of Russia and fighters know how to cycle on and off drugs to avoid a dirty test.
@jamesfoster77353 жыл бұрын
We had a weird dynamic in our gym. 80 percent of the crew were wrestlers in high school and/or junior college. We had the edge on takedowns and control. Top game heavy. Now add in solid BJJ fundamentals and those young people were smashing it in competition.
@Balbs774 жыл бұрын
Jocko's point about wrestlers who fail to adopt the slower pace of BJJ is so true. Took a little while to force myself out of that.
@notacop87843 жыл бұрын
You get out there on the office softball team and you’re a killer 🤣🤣
@Chiddychild3 жыл бұрын
I just had that epiphany very recently. I wanna become a well rounded Grappler. I wanna know what to do standing and on the ground. To me it’s one thing. On the streets if you can take down someone the fight can already be over. If not, keep using JiuJitsu. Thinking more like a MMA guy got me there. Strinking and kicking = first line of defense. Takedowns = second line. Ground game = last line of defense. I wanna get knowledgeable and confident in all, but a master in GRAPPLING!
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15953 жыл бұрын
Judo or wrestling
@fuzzysgaming79053 жыл бұрын
Just putting this out there nearly every pin i would use i later found out was submissions used in bjj. A good example is of some is using your opponent’s arm to choke them out and the guillotine
@enochbrown81783 жыл бұрын
Priceless!!!
@hailhydreigon27003 жыл бұрын
With the exception of Greco-Roman, the popular wrestling styles like Folkstyle and Freestyle are just submission-less versions of Catch-As-Catch-Can. Real Wrestling always had submission holds in it.
@user-bn3kg6hg4i3 жыл бұрын
@Hail Hydreigon Facts
@martelljhixson4 жыл бұрын
You mentioned catch wrestling....most catch wrestlers also wrestled in school and college. It has plenty of submissions. Also, the ability to slam a person into concrete is a very important factor. I’ve seen a ridiculous amount of fights end that way.
@lifeanimation3093 Жыл бұрын
I was privileged to have my Jiu jitsu coach also be the lead wrestling coach at the high school and he was also a College wrestler in his youth so we got a lot of wrestling in and he would invite his top wrestlers to the gym all the time and just wrestlers he knew.
@PerryMatt4 жыл бұрын
Love your channel!! Question? What’s the usual injuries you can get in Jiujitsu? I’m thinking to start Jiujitsu, I have a kick-boxing background. I have NO ACL at the moment, but I’ve been training weights and walk all day for work. Does Jiujitsu put a lot of pressure on knees, or I can be safe regards my joint. Love your work
@ElCapitan884 жыл бұрын
Wrestlers are tough. I have such a hard time with wrestlers.
@phantom_mist17264 жыл бұрын
They are but they are also fun to roll with.
@danarmando5374 жыл бұрын
As a wrestler, Jew Jet Suits are fun to toss around. 6 out of 10 UFC Champions come from Collegiate wrestling, enough said.
@datmemexd5013 жыл бұрын
Dan Armando Jew Jet Suits and Collegiates
@sonicfx54313 жыл бұрын
@A Grundledore Wrestlers open up for triangles so much and they give their back too easily
@greoricm7713 жыл бұрын
Even wrestlers have a hard time with wrestlers bruh.
@CodyBunker4 жыл бұрын
Ju jitzu is the more deadly art but that is by design. Wrestling is by far the most difficult thing on the face of the earth. I have never done anything as difficult as wrestling. I train jiu jitzu now and it is great but nowhere near as tough and brutal as wrestling. In a fight between a pure jiu jitzu and a jiu jitzu guy with wrestling background, the wrestling background wins every time.
@treroney47204 жыл бұрын
cody bunker Neiman Gracie tapped out Ed Ruth. So I wouldn’t say every time. But definitely the majority of the time
@johnmarzelli43814 жыл бұрын
The fact that you can’t even spell Jiu Jitsu correctly makes me question your background. There are plenty of variables to consider but plenty of examples where pure jiu jitsu has beaten wrestling. Early underground no holds barred fighting proves this.
@treroney47204 жыл бұрын
goatbacon Demain Maia tapped out Chael, Gracie tapped out Ed Ruth And Maia tapped out Ben Askren! One of the greatest wrestlers to ever compete in mma
@Estradinhas_do_ES Жыл бұрын
Hi, good conversation here! Fully agree with the comments. For me, the challenge is when you go to a competition, with whatever rules, but you only win if the other give up or is knocked out (mimics real life). For these types of matches, a takedown means nothing. It is like a street fight...you send someone to the floor and...nothing...the only reason for a takedown to be important is when you have rules like the ones in judo, where a perfect takedown is all you need to win.
@wrknhvc77082 жыл бұрын
I’ve been doing BJJ for a few months now grinding as hard as I can. I just had a match with a new student who wrestled in high school. We’re kinda the same weight he’s a bit taller than me. Let me tell you, it’s was one of the toughest fights iver been in. Longest 7 min of my life. But loved it
@Exiecutioner4 жыл бұрын
I’m a pro MMA fighter 33 now started wrestling when I was 12 I had my first mma or jiujitsu class I was choked out by a 4”11 Girl. The knowledge of use of leverage on singular joints is far more effective in a combat scenario than pure wrestling anyone can punch someone or elbow them A good jujitsu player will elbow you from the bottom if in a street fight scenario The ability to take somebody down and hold them on the ground does not necessarily translate into winning and for people that argue that wrestling is harder yes the training is harder but also it’s seasonal where is jujitsu you train year-round most people weren’t wrestling year round im a wrestler first bu I respect bjj to the fullest wrestlers will roll to their stomach every Time you grapple with them out of habit in a fight this is a deadly mistake
@DannyBoy4262 жыл бұрын
I’m planning on joining a local mma gym. I want to learn wrestling, bjj and boxing. Will it be difficult for me to learn and juggle all three? I’m 22 years old.
@Exiecutioner2 жыл бұрын
@@DannyBoy426 you are the perfect age my friend train hard and often but don’t forget to rest 😎🙌🏾
@thebloodyfox37634 жыл бұрын
Wrestling and BJJ are very similar sports with different win conditions and thus their techniques are designed to facilitate achieving the win conditions. submissions though have more universal translation in more “real world” situations
@martialartist61654 жыл бұрын
test
@NightShift-ci5vn2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but body slamming someone on concrete is also real world and will end a fight
@chrishugs61733 жыл бұрын
When I went from wrestling to jui-jitsu my first day I got choked out because I didn’t realize that jui-jitsu was about submitting and I never tapped, simply because I didn’t know I could (not because I’m a tough guy). Wrestling is about pinning your opponent so the goal is different.
@internetenjoyer10442 жыл бұрын
to be honest, I find grappling easier than striking to pick up. I think i just have a more natural feel for how a body moves when clinched with your own body compared to figuring out punching mechanics, being fast enough to hit them and not get hit, managing distance etc. i think it's an individual thing
@garyanderson46853 жыл бұрын
Don't forget about the high level of mental toughness developed in wrestling. Tenacity, drive, pain tolerance.........
@danielfbc27443 жыл бұрын
Sorry to bother you!!! Ben Askren lost for a KZbinr!!!!!!! Wrestling doesn't end fights!!! Wrestling = hugging
@freddylisy103 жыл бұрын
@@danielfbc2744 if the wrestlers doesn’t know any good pinning combinations like the arm bar, three quarter Nelson bundle and other shit like that it’s not just two dudes hugging and if they didn’t develop a mean cross face to get those pinning combinations
@MMALAB Жыл бұрын
The fact that Craig didn’t wrestle and he is pure BJJ, is the reason he has this hyper optimized kind of smooth movement, especially made for jiujitsu, which also energy efficient, sneaky and gives him unlimited opportunities, for every single need that arises in the game. I have a judo background but now I have abolished most of these “painful”, energy costly throws, which at many instances a younger and stronger wrestler/fighter/judoka/etc can easily defend them. I mainly go for less energy cost, fluid BJJ takedowns. And this makes my game efficient, as it simply works for me. The thing is that BJJ offers good response to a huge variety of responses for every situation you might find yourself in. If someone doesn’t have a wrestling background, I think is wiser to invest in BJJ and there is always the possibility for him/her to cross train a bit with wrestlers and this way, he will assimilate the “true” elements he needs -if he really needs, and his BJJ knowledge will be the catalyst on this. Great video, thank you.
@ddmound Жыл бұрын
But the goal of wrestling and jujitzu is not to defend against an opponent trying to kill you. It would be valid in that case if the assailant don't know anything. But BJJ is very fragmented from its fragmented components