Mustangs to fear roll bar test fit in a 1969mach 1 mustang. Slither part 20.

[@tpeters8960]

This is Tom from MTF. Thank you for making us aware of the fitment issue. Sorry to hear about the struggle. We started working on a revised design as soon as I was made aware and will have a prototype very soon. Thanks, Tom

[@RS-gh2mf]

You have several problems, first you should tape up and protect any painted part, second measure the height and cut accordingly, there's enough material to even it out. Cars can vary from one to another. Once you have it bolted in at the top use a rachet strap to draw it in, then set the base up and weld then to the floor. The brackets on the floor were always designed to go in front of the torque box , not behind.

[@JoDaddysGarage]

All that could be done. But… a $500 cosmetic rollbar should just fit. MTF contacted me and they agree. They are actually redesigning their rollbar because of this video.

[@RS-gh2mf]

@JoDaddysGarage that will be nothing but a waste of time and money for them to do that. I'm the founder and former owner of Mustangs To Fear, I developed over 400 parts for the 65-70 Mustang. The roll was made off an original Shelby. I made it so it could be installed after an original headliner was installed. After selling MTF in 2020 we started a new company called Patriot Classic 4x4 building 66-77 Bronco's

[@JoDaddysGarage]

It sure beats me wasting hours fixing something I shouldn’t have to customize to make fit.

[@RS-gh2mf]

Sad to say, but I constantly get calls from our Mustang customers complaining about everything under the sun 😪

[@gregworkshop5713]

hi barry cool show the car is looking grate 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😄

[@mrcirino5181]

Awesome work, man ! Wish we lived closer

[@VegasRT500]

For my 1968 Shelby GT500KR clone I used a Tony Branda reproduction Shelby roll bar and the fit was really nice. They leave both sides a little long so you can trim it to fit but it bolted in very easy. I made my own brackets just like the Mustangs to Fear kit has and it worked out great. The bar is now removeable if and when needed in the future. The Tony Branda roll bar is also padded like the originals were and it looks great.

[@jamesjordan2918]

Barry, I feel your frustration. I bought the same type roll bar from a different company, and it was just as bad. Had to cut 2 inches off of each leg and the legs were stretched out at the bottom. I had to bolt one side in and use a ratchet strap to pull the other side in. I have dealt with mtf a lot. I feel confident they will do the right thing.

[@petersessler7124]

I guess I need to test fit mine now too! Thanks for the vid.

[@jaepark54]

When Jo Daddy's Garage says don't work, It is problem. Over the years I've seen usually makes work one way or another.

[@troyjustet8315]

I feel your frustration. Most of us have been through this in the past. We buy a part or accessory for a large sum of money only to find out it isn't made correctly or will not fit without major alterations or just won't fit at all. I hope Mustangs to Fear see this and makes it right. They have a good name but I wouldn't purchase a roll bar from them after seeing your video.

[@johnkelly6942]

Why don’t they sell that with all the brackets loose so t can really be fitted to the car?

[@JoDaddysGarage]

I agree

[@charlesbuzbee7164]

Have in the past but decided welding the pieces on was a better idea. I'm almost thinking when it was positioned in the CNC tube bender it was not centered correctly. I would think all the brackets are positioned off the center. They, MTF, has been sent this video and I contacted them. They are supposed to contact us (again) today or tomorrow morning.

[@RS-gh2mf]

The tubing is not cnc or mandrel bent, it's done by hand.

[@jessicagreene1773]

Fits great if you don't want to install your interior panels!

[@davekarr7151]

I have commented to you before about why you didn’t install the whole replacements that you cut apart because the owner wanted to use some original panel and that is understandable because he wanted originality, but he isn’t hesitating about putting in mini tubs, roll bar or cutting up the trans tunnel for a 6 speed. Where’s the originality now? I know you are doing what the customer wants but originality went out the window.

[@charlesbuzbee7164]

I don't believe I've ever said in recent years I was building a concours restoration. Maybe years ago when the concours cars ruled the auctions. I don't see the harm in using as much original parts as I can within the scope of what I want to build. I dont understand why you wish to critique my decisions with my car. Your entitled to your opinion and as you said you stated it before and I appreciate that you have one. The bottom line is that I'm chasing my dream build and when you consider that the vast original metal from this car ended up as a pile of scrap on Barry's shop floor we did what we could. Would I be happier if 90% of the original metal was usable yes I would. So let's be clear I'm not building an original car however I am building a car that trys to stay within the scope of the look of originality where I can without sacrificing the desire to bring modern safety and convenience items into the build. Making the car handle like newer sports cars, making the braking exceed Ford's wildest dream, having a suspension that can utilize 700+hp, having an AC that actually cools, having electric windows with auto park, multi speed wipers, modern sound system and yes a reproduction Shelby roll bar that will look perfectly at home in the interior of this car which by the way will have original parts throughout. The engine compartment will appear mostly stock. The exterior will also look mostly stock. So this is my dream and Barry has said he gets it and supports it. In the end I hope you like the end result but if you don't that's ok too.

[@rickgaine3476]

@@charlesbuzbee7164 I think his point was that there was no point in building this body in pieces. You should've just bought a reproduction body. The amount of original metal that is actually savable from this car it's not worth all the effort you're going through. We are understand what you're trying to build. You just chose the wrong way.

[@charlesbuzbee7164]

You are entitled to your opinion Rick however remember this, if I had of bought a complete body the car would not be at Jo Daddys Garage. I needed Barry's expertise in solving jig saw puzzles. I needed his precision and knowledge where it comes to repairing basket cases. I'm very happy that he agreed to participate in my project. I really dont know any one else that cares about what he does and how he does it as much as Barry. There have been a lot of compromises made in regards to saving sheetmetal and I have not been bull headed about it. There will be a bit of sheet metal from the original car and most all of the interior. There is absolutely nothing being done to this car that could not be reversed. Some easily, some not so easily. All the original parts are being saved and I do not have any intention of parting them out. I'm happy with my decision and to me and my family the correct decision was made. Continue to follow the build Rick and it will all come together and hopefully you will appreciate it.

[@JoefussGarage-jl1bb]

Hello there brother, we all feel your pain here.. We all know, you have mad skills, so it's not a "you" thing. I do believe, this was bad execution on MTF's part, I'd be anxious to see, what there response will be, as one of comments was from MTF themselves, promising to prototype a new bar/design if needed.. I remember the TCI Subframe connector x brace fiasco, where after speaking with them multiple times, you wound "slicing and dicing" until that thing fit like a glove.I had to slice and dice my Mike Maier subframe X member kit as well, due to two different brands of rear torque box installs, one by the previous owner and then the other by myself, old cars are "needy" as hell.. That bar, was not, made properly.. God bless...

[@agentrock8495]

I don't have anything to say, you covered the issues. Just commenting to help your google stats.

[@jonbarnett6132]

I've found over the years working on musclecars and even engines, that NOTHING is a true bolt-in part. Fabing and reworking, rewelding things is just a normal part of the hobby. If you just set your mind to the fact that everything you buy will need reworking you'll have experience much less frustration.

[@lautburns4829]

Thanks again.

[@TomsBackyardWorkshop]

Ive considered putting a roll bar in my 67 mustang but I want it to look good as well as be functional. I have yet to see a kit that does both.

[@JoDaddysGarage]

This is a nice heavy bar. If it had rear legs added it would probably be great. But….it would need to fit first.

[@charlesbuzbee7164]

The miniscule floor pan plate would also need to be made much larger. Like Barry said the addition of rear legs is a must for structural integrity. I would also run a cross bar to have proper 4 point seatbelts.

[@jcook69camaro]

measure from the floor to the seatbelt anchor.

[@JoDaddysGarage]

I did. Exactly the same height.

[@outofgasgarage929]

I think the bottom widht is a minor problem, just strap it tighter when putting it in. It looks like it’s only the two brackets for the seat belt mounting holes in the roof that’s off. To bad, looks well made otherwise.

[@JoDaddysGarage]

Ivan get it in, but it shouldn’t be this difficult. I talked to them on the phone and they agree it’s made wrong. They’re working on a solution.

[@charlesbuzbee7164]

Remember it's supposed to be removable and as tight as it is removable isn't really an easy thing. I dont plan to remove it but it should fit properly. I've spoken with their shop foreman and sent pictures I took of an original 69 Shelby GT350. That settled whether it was to be installed before or after the torque box pinch weld and where it comes through the interior trim panel. I had previously found d a grainy picture that I believed showed a very short top attachment bracket. The brackets on the bar I received were around 8" long. Now we and they know the brackets are short. MTF are completely reengineering the 69-70 bar. The bar we receive will have been fitted to a 69 in their shop. It will be Job #1. All of the rest sold by MTF will be patterned after mine. They are doing this right as they should. Mustangs to Fear is a quality company and they have quality products. Even with the best sometimes uh oh's happen. Barry and I both are satisfied that it will be right.

[@RS-gh2mf]

I guess if MTF wants to reinvent the wheel go for it. One of things I did to improve the looks and strength was take the seat belt brackets and make them in one solid piece, Shelby made them in several pieces that all had to be welded together. I also offered a kicker bar that attached to the back of the roll bar and welded to our mini tubs.

[@TxStang]

Maybe they made the first prototype to fit and then outsourced their design or have a hired hand making them that does not care . I hope they get it right for you .

[@Digimee2]

Yeah it should be a 10 peice u-weld kit with a cover

[@stevesmoneypit6137]

Just making up for good instructions and fit of the mini tub’s 😂🤷‍♂️

[@Buckswoodshop]

Yeah something isn’t right, can’t believe they made the bar that way.

[@RustysRestoration-dw1mu]

True life struggles! Sure does seem like it was built incorrectly. Hate when that happens

[@Timbo428CJ]

So, it looks to me you have 4 options ... 1, Call the company and have them measure other bars to see if the fitment is better on other ones, if so send out another one to try. 2, cut brackets and re weld them where they should be, then cut the bar in half and re-weld that. 3, Return it for a refund and try to find an actual Shelby roll bar. 4, scrap the idea altogether. Waiting.....🤔

[@bjsteg79]

Sucks the bar wasn't made right. Nothing more annoying than going through all the pre-fit and checks only to find out it's a junk part. Tweaking & massaging things to fit; ok, that's part of it. But when everyone from the pipe cutter up to Q.C. missed this one, it's aggravation. MTF are a good team, they'll make it right.

[@buchmannray]

Clearly, Mustangs to Fear has no quality control. Pretty shoddy craftsmanship.

[@errolpoxleitner7901]

Remind me not to trust mustang's fear that stuff is junk.good show Berry.

[@davetyson2331]

that is bad not even close

[@danamcintyre3565]

You know with how everything is today probably who is making that peace can't even say Mustang not alone even know what it's for !

[@jeffarchibald3837]

Jeez, nothing is easier to design or produce than a roll bar, and they can't get that right? Pathetic.

[@peterouellette3874]

Oh, let me order one right now, not

[@davebrittain9216]

Fits so bad you can barely test fit.