Jodie Turner-Smith not happy with Disney/Lucasfilm over "The Acolyte" handling

[@dinoshot4682]

Naboo: "The Power of No Money." That burn was absolutely savage! Bravo! 👏👏👏

[@istari0]

I am reminded of the saying “Never wrestle with a pig because you'll both get dirty and the pig likes it."

[@WesesaAbioye]

Is she saying people are racist for disliking her character or racist for disliking the colour of her skin? I’m guessing it’s the former and she’s taking it as the latter.

[@1_underthesun]

That's how it always goes. It's why the word has lost all meaning. Same with words like misogyny. I got called misogynist yesterday for the following statement: "The Rings of Power are a pale imitation of the Lord of the Rings movies" These days, ANY criticism of something, no matter how valid, immediately equates to that person being some sort of ist or phobe. Because of this, sadly I now think "I doubt it" when I hear someone say someone else is racist, misogynist, etc. Actually, it's even worse than that. Typically the person calling others these things over milquetoast statements are far more likely to be the racist than the person they're accusing.

[@YegRon]

That’s pretty much always the case outside of a handful of idiots.

[@YegRon]

@@1_underthesun Yes, it’s true, us Tolkien fans famously hate all female characters. You’re arguing with simpletons. It’s such a cop out to address any real criticism with labels like that.

[@malkmuslistener5459]

@@1_underthesun it's pretty much like how asking questions now is considered "dangerous and disinformation", and lies are now "things we don't like hearing" OR " things said by someone we dislike."

[@1_underthesun]

@@malkmuslistener5459 And simple disagreement is now harassment.

[@BelovedTyrant]

Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you on experience.

[@adriandenton6637]

It's like playing chess with a pidgeon. They just sh1t on the board and then fly away.

[@nathanflanery7746]

😂

[@YegRon]

At some point the studios and creatives will learn that calling your fans racist everytime there’s an ounce of criticism is really really bad business.

[@skepticalsmurf]

bad is good and good is bad,nowadays there is no accountability,it’s always someone else’s fault or an outside influence,never the person in the mirror 😓

[@YegRon]

@@skepticalsmurf Yup. They’re incapable of introspection.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

Technically they did not. They just said "don't be racist." It's subtle, but there IS a difference

[@BibFortunasBarber]

@@officialmonarchmusicanyone with 2 or more brain cells knows what their implying. They deserve the hate they get for attempting to shit on the fans. Anyone defending them at this point is a feckless shill.

[@jamesturner6979]

I have no sympathy for Turner-Smith after she tried to defend her taking the role of Queen Anne Boleyn in a historical drama by saying: “It makes that story that much more relatable, because it just becomes a human story and a story for all of us. Not just a story for white people.”

[@YegRon]

@@jamesturner6979 I’m still waiting for the announcement that they’ve cast Austin Butler as the Black Panther so, you know, to make the story more relatable…

[@Angelo-nd4lg]

You are sick in the head if you think an actress should reject a job because of your hurt feelings 😂

[@mat3714]

We should make a movie about mansa musa and cast a white british guy to make the story not just about black people

[@Angelo-nd4lg]

@@mat3714 why dont you?

[@YegRon]

@@mat3714 I’ve thought about a movie on Musa - it would be really interesting. It would be interesting to see certain people’s reaction to an African emperor who builds his empire on the backs of slaves.

[@flynnoldman3542]

BREAKING NEWS: Toxic Hollywood up to their usual shenanigans.

[@Kevin_Street]

What does Jodi Turner-Smith think Lucasfilm can do here? It sounds like she thinks the corporation can somehow gatekeep who is and who isn't a fan, and make the people she doesn't like go away. But if they had that power they would have used it long before now.

[@RaikenXion]

I think Jodie-Turner has been in such a bubble, and had so much smoke blown up her behind for a while now, constantly told how "stunning and brave" she is by Hollywood etc, that this may be the first time she's had a dose of *Reality* from the internet.

[@bobbymauro3721]

Online harassment?!? Stenberg literally made a music video mocking and taunting SW fans!!! Tea calling the kettle black maybe??? KK literally posted a disclaimer prior to the release of the Acolyte warning SW fans that anyone harassing the actors was no SW fan in their eyes! What more unrealistic expectations can anyone have?!? Grow up, the show was DOA!!! MTFBWY

[@stanco4ever]

Disney can definitely do waaay more to support their actors. It starts with writing stories and characters to give the actors something to work with.

[@skepticalsmurf]

and not push an agenda or superficial diversity policies 🤔

[@pbot2029]

This show is like a roach, everyone hates it and you can't get rid of it.

[@Snake11Baron]

None of this is real, just employees trying to divert bad optics from yet another multi million dollar Disney flop

[@InverseofAbstersive]

What always strikes me about this stuff, is that artists like this often describe themselves in activist terms. They oppose bigotry in all its forms, one of their life's goals is to live in a positive way that promotes a less biased society. But they never understand the most fundamental ethics in the battle against bigotry, One, you can't blame an entire group for the actions of one member, and two, you can't condemn people for how they were born. You can judge them for their choices, but you can't judge them for their identity. Bigotry is wrong, but they act like bigotry is ok, it was just directed at the wrong people. It's like if JJ Abrams rebooted civil rights. It looks like civil rights, but if you think about it too much, it doesn't hold up.

[@obi_dean]

How ironic they found out the power of many is stronger than the power of one disney

[@petrikallio2485]

You guys are one of the most levelhead people on the fandom and I hope that these actors would listen your advice and not giving those toxic fans any more room that they have

[@slyc5920]

Stop. Using.Black.People. AS. A. SHIELD! I just get so tired of this. Once again, were was this same sentiment when Gina and Rosario got dog pilled for "Transphobic" claims. So...

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

Funny how the media and the "positive only vibes" of the fan base has collectively forgotten about the harassment that Rosario and her family got from trans rights activists.

[@slyc5920]

@@lordcarnorjax8599 Absolutely, this is the same thing that happened to Zoe Sal Dana when she defended Chris Pratt. These "loving people" showed their true colors real quick.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

I mean, Carano did quickly pivot and start spreading dangerous conspiracy theories, so...

[@slyc5920]

@@officialmonarchmusic so... That justifies harassment? I want you to really think about that. This is exactly what they are talking about.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@slyc5920Harassment, no. Not at all. I was speaking about her firing

[@TheSlackrguy]

What could the studio have done? Stenberg received better treatment from the studio than Gina Carano did as Carano had Disney employees piling on her as well. Should they have prohibited Stenberg from releasing a dis track? Should the studio have insisted Stenberg should apologize when doing press on Disney owned, friendly shows like the View? Does Turner-Smith feel that Disney should have done more to protect Carano as well?

[@cahe6161]

Guys, don't overanalyze this, we all know that the "racism" and "hate campaign" this people are referring to is people calling out their show for the garbage it is.

[@thebendu33]

Many good points made here

[@Deuteromis]

I'm black, had no issue with how diverse the cast was. The show wasn't good because of the terrible writing plain and simple.

[@Thed538dhsk]

Why are you mentioning you're black, is that relevant to the conversation at all?

[@nicolasferreiro4492]

​@@Thed538dhskGiven the defense for this show failing (and other shows) is that white (male) people banded against it, non white people pointing out they thought it bad too makes it relevant. At least that's how it feels for me, looking at this from outside the usa.

[@Thed538dhsk]

@@nicolasferreiro4492 who has said the show failed from white people banding together against it? This actress is claiming there was racist remarks towards employees aka cast and crew of the show. That doesn't equal white people banning together against it. Some white people were the biggest defenders of this show. The show failed because it was of poor quality for the fandom, regardless of race. Imo and it seems your opinion, the show was just trash. But it's our opinions. Maybe some black people liked this show. Maybe some like you and I disliked it. Maybe some thought it was just okay. Its just individual opinions same with white people. Just their opinion on a show.

[@ian-flanagan]

@@Thed538dhsk She says Disney should “put their foot down” because non-white people are “a very large percentage of buying power”. That implies Disney responding to the criticism would alienate white customers. My demographic is an invariably blob to her.

[@cahe6161]

First Anne Boleyn, then her comments in Star Wars Celebration that have been memed to death, and now this. It's confirmed, this girl is dumb af.

[@shemyaza8934]

"Everyone but me, be kind!" - Acolyte actresses, hollywood in general

[@sornreed]

Most platforms have an issue report feature. I'm sure these actors & actresses are savvy enough to embrace that feature themselves.

[@Area1313J]

Your bad because you have a different skin color than me… “your a moron” 😂😂😂 Thor cracking me up

[@GSOG2]

It's sad that Jodie Turner-Smith played a better dathomir which in the apple tv series bad monkey where she is known as the dragon queen, basically a witch practicing obeah. Her character is extremely intimidating and wise and the people from her island all fear her, everything from the way she talks to how she walks and emotes all would have been a perfect portayal of a dathomir high witch/mother. Instead we got "power of 1, power of many"...sigh. Just proof of the effect of better writing/directing even with same actress / similar character.

[@permeus2nd]

I think most fans would actually say that Fin and Poe were the best part of TFA and most fans would have been much happier if TLJ was actually a buddy cop type film between the two but sadly fin was sent off on a random filler episode that had no bearing on the plot of the film.

[@YegRon]

@@permeus2nd And everyone seems to forget that it was Disney that took Fin’s face off the poster for the Chinese release.

[@Axterix13]

I personally wouldn't say that about Finn. Instead, I say the opposite, that his character suffers as much from bad writing as Rey does. He's used for comic relief. And let me repeat that, the guy trained from a very young age in a very strict way where he'd have to constantly hide his feelings, where he'd be desensitized to all sorts of things, is the comic relief. His backstory doesn't fit his character, as we're expected to believe someone raised inside this harsh system is as cowardly/transparent as Finn is without it ever having been noticed. He'll know anything the plot needs him to because they used these elite, trained from a young, young age soldiers as janitors. And somehow, someway, the First Order, with its vast military complex, makes this one grunt, a guy they put on janitorial duty, a bit of a big issue. It is all so bad. But he doesn't use the Force, so he's spared from Abrams breaking the established rules so they can cram in all the fancy Force and Lightsaber stuff. Therefore, despite being written even more poorly than Rey, people overlook it. Now imagine if he'd been written as having been Phasma's aide, now doing an obligatory combat tour. It would heighten the connection and consequently the stakes between the two. It would explain why he knows things. It would provide a reason for why the First Order would make him a target. It would help explain how he managed to hide his cowardice. TLJ at least improves his character somewhat, by having him leave his puppy dog love of Rey behind and become a true hero... but this good arc for his character is done through some of the worst writing in the entire movie, and given that's TLJ, that's saying something. And then the third movie reverts him back to puppy dog love comic relief guy. And that said, not the fault of the actor. They manage to make the character pretty likeable despite the writing.

[@permeus2nd]

@@Axterix13so I’m sorry I’ve not read your full comment I’m having problems focusing at this min but I know what your saying, ied say the character of Fin needed his own film/show/book preferably the first one to set up his character and it’s defection, what little we saw in TFA just dosnt make sense it should take more than that one incident to turn him or break him or it should take longer. I mean look at countries under dictatorships, we have seen Russian troops defect to the Ukraine so fin running away isn’t out of the question but it needed a bit of setup showing us that not all troops are zealots.

[@benblueforge1357]

I really feel like the opinions of part acolyte cast have been directed by leadership at lucasfilm or Disney. Whenever they're interviewed, they have very strong opinions about what Star Wars is and who it's for and whenever their show is critiqued. It always seems to fall back to the negativity they receive from fans. Personally, I'd love to hear their opinions on characters like Landon, Leia, Mace or Padme. Or even discuss which Star Wars movie or show they liked from the originals or prequel trilogies, or even Clone Wars or Mandoverse. We don't hear about that from any of them... Just how significant Star Wars is in their life or what it really means to them.

[@kaiserflanderson2632]

i'll always appreciate the nuanced and level-headed takes from you guys, nice breathe of fresh air

[@davemac9563]

She obviously wasn’t around for the past 7 years of Disney just attacking fans who had criticisms of their movies and shows. Disney has been sticking up for their poor actors and poor directors for so long now. Even if they do protect the actors from online attacks, they’re still gonna be online for them to see on their spare time. And maybe that’ll click in that majority of them aren’t attacks for their race. Just for the poor projects we pay for

[@bayushiteishiru6291]

The less is said about the acolyte, the better for all involved.

[@1_underthesun]

The what? Lol

[@YegRon]

@@bayushiteishiru6291 are you suggesting that Stenberg’s distrack was unhelpful? Lol

[@Ptaaruonn]

@@1_underthesun Exactly, lol.

[@adriandenton6637]

But people were being mean on the internet.

[@cuoy13]

I'm mad at her for two roles. Queen & Slim Now, The Acolyte

[@MCsCreations]

"I bet the money won't leave"... But it already did! What money is she talking about? There's no more!

[@obesebird]

She’s a powerful leada

[@Pelicanzzz]

Yes, yes

[@av7610]

Professional victims will make themselves the victim in every situation

[@geoffwhitemusic]

How dare I be allowed to suffer the consequences of my actions.

[@noliveoperator]

What could Disney/Lucasfilm do? Give them a script to work with that doesn't suck.

[@Stratos.2]

I usually agree with 99 percent of what you guys say and I do on this situation too EXCEPT I don't agree with the idea that someone shouldn't say anything in defense of something just because it probably won't lead to positive change. Small steps are not to be ignored, nor is the psychological boost it gives those you're trying to defend. If everyone had the mindset that saying the right thing probably won't change people's minds then we'd never progress in our society. Change for the better always begins with ideas and small actions that don't by themselves lead to direct change but over time more and more people echo the sentiments, if they agree, and it CAN lead to major changes. Just look at how African Americans or women were viewed by the majority barely 100 years ago. Women couldn't even vote until 1920. What if in 1917 someone who thought they should be allowed to vote just said, "Why bother, it won't lead to change, so why say anything." Ps I hated this show and both of these actresses were horrible lol. So what I'm talking about isn't about defending them and their warped way of deflecting criticism by calling all critics racists. I'm just stating generally that even if you don't think your idea or statement will immediately change others minds it doesn't mean you shouldn't say it still. All major movements begin small and with ideas that won't immediately lead to change.

[@adriandenton6637]

Think most people agree with this, but what's it got to do with SW?

[@Stratos.2]

@@adriandenton6637 It has to do with what they were saying in the video.

[@adriandenton6637]

@@Stratos.2 All of the drama is just to deflect from how crap the show is. Not a chance to change society.

[@Stratos.2]

@@adriandenton6637 I know, I literally said that. I'm addressing the idea stated by Thor that Disney should not say anything about bigots, if they believed that was an issue, because it won't change anything or because it stimulates them more. I don't think that's actually the problem with the show, but just because saying something is very unlikely to change anything it doesn't mean one should be quiet. That's all I'm saying, that's a dangerous concept to pass on to viewers. It's better to say something to support your convictions rather than not say anything because you think it's pointless. It isn't pointless, unless you live in North Korea or something where you can be killed for saying something lol.

[@adriandenton6637]

@@Stratos.2 I agree, if someone has been racist, and can be proved to have been so then they should be called out and face repercussions. I think that's sensible. But I go on youtube, facebook and instagram and I have seen or heard nothing. So hopefully it's a tiny minority.

[@SunShine-xc6dh]

My favorite part is where she engages in actual racism during this interview

[@musiciansnight]

THE ACOLYTE is like a bout of irregularity that no amount of Pepto Bismol can cure.

[@HighHeelKnight]

Disney has done what the actress is complaining about, just ask the governor of Florida. 🤔

[@PixelKatana]

It’s exhausting how people from the show have never once admitted or even entertained the idea there could be issues with the writing, pacing, canon-breaks and acting skill of the cast. By this Disney logic, all their shows are flawless and anything negative is rooted on sexism or racism.

[@YegRon]

@@PixelKatana nah, it’s definitely the fans’ fault. They’re incapable of introspection.

[@Decoto87]

If you want to keep working with the company why would you. Maybe years from now yeah. Kind of like how Ryan Reynolds does with Green Lantern.

[@adriandenton6637]

Total lack of accountability...it will be their downfall..

[@permeus2nd]

To be honest I would love to say I hated the Acolyte but sadly I just didn’t care enough about it one way or the other.

[@marknovak6498]

I did now know who the lead Amanda was until she came out with a video attacking me for not liking The Acolyte even as watch ev3r episode looking for something to l8ke.

[@miragewizard]

Pass the beer nuts

[@SugarRushTimes2030-gs3qp]

The actors work hard obviously but I wish they would step back and examine the writing. They character assassinated the Jedi, made them look like buffoons. All level of fans don’t want to watch that in my opinion. Also the cost to make the series for what we got doesn’t add up. Weird. I hope the future of SW gets better for fans sake🤞

[@Paradox-es3bl]

I feel like half her hate was because of stuff she said and did outside the show… and half is because the show sucked. Okay, maybe not quite 50/50 there because 1-2% was probably vile racist hate or something… which isn’t ok. But the rest? No sympathy from me 🤷‍♀️

[@skepticalsmurf]

I’m so tired of this crap referring to The Acolyte,it was a lore breaking poorly written and acted series,it was cancelled due to bless than stellar viewership and a bloated budget(probably more than the 230 million the 🐭is now admitting)take the L,learn from the experience and be adults about it!!! btw,l’m a person of color,not some conservative narrow minded bigot!!! the Force is universal!!! 😤

[@mazkeraid4039]

Same. I'm leaning on the liberal side, and as much as I am about diversity, I for one do not like how forced it can be. It is more than just skin color and tones, just the characters that should be written as characters, not as a mouthpiece for certain ethnic groups they claim it is for us, when it is not. This ain't the 70s no more. This is the 2020s.

[@JonathanBresnihan77]

I have absolutely no respect for her anymore. The show was AWFUL and she's once again playing the victim just like the rest of the cast. Disney sucks too, they ruined Star Wars.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Then Moses Ingram... sort of, but she was never seen again.

[@almitrahopkins1873]

The problem with “diversity” in the Acolyte is that it wasn’t diverse.

[@Sam_T2000]

the closest thing to racism I’ve seen in the _Star Wars_ “discourse” was people criticizing Moses Ingram’s “hood” accent in some of her scenes in _Kenobi…_ but it’s not like that’s her neutral accent, and it was wholly inappropriate for _Star Wars…_ so, is that actually racist, or just regular criticism? must criticism of anything even tangentially connected to race be viewed as “racism”?

[@mazkeraid4039]

I was harshly critical of Ingram's inability to make a mean acting, and as a character she plays as... she's sort of shallow.

[@weezyslob]

Man, that’s pretty wild Amandla put that much into her characters, because it did not come across on screen at all. I don’t know if she’s just a bad actress, or if no one could have made that material work, but she was awful. As far as racism goes, yeah, it’s not ok. That said, if you are an actor, a pro athlete, an Internet personality, how do you not expect this to happen? How do you just not ignore it, don’t feed the trolls and racists. If Disney responds to them, they get even louder. I swear these actors live in some sort of bubble where they think they can legitimately be protected from this stuff, and sadly that just isn’t real life.

[@adriandenton6637]

How do you ignore it? Er...don't go on social media. Premier League players get abuse from tens of thousands of fans every weekend and not once has a player come out and claimed the fans were being mean to them. Funny thing i've not seen one racist or sexist post on youtube, facebook or instagram, but then I don't go looking for it.

[@zachschmitt3654]

Hey Thor and Naboo, not sure if there is anything there that y’all would want to report on, but Katie Sacoff interviewed Emond Ezfandi and there is some stuff about his role as Ezra on there

[@theanonymouscritic1710]

Says the woman who claimed “Star Wars is patriarchal” at last years Star Wars Celebration.😂

[@caselleknoxiv589]

Yas, Yas.😂

[@michaelschroeck2254]

Current people in film have no clue about their own professions prior to when they decide to get into their fields.

[@gimzod76]

I'd say does she remembers one of the characters is a dam princess and the leader of the rebellion is a woman, but i doubt she's ever seen the original films.

[@Cheattoe]

Look I get it you’re black and yes there are some people who don’t like people what a concept. However let’s look at the position she’s in, she knew Star Wars was not in a good place right now (quietly cancelling movies and shows does that) she knew that Leslie headland was running this show and all the baggage that brings, and she could look at every single other actor of color with Disney Star Wars and see that not a single one of them has been well received (and yes I know Diego Luna Oscar Isaac and Pedro pascal aren’t white, but go tell that to the Disney who screams racist because you don’t like their poorly written black characters)

[@darthrizzen9349]

Artificial online drama aimed at diverting attention from the Acolyte’s real, damning issues: poor writing, poor directing, zero understanding of Star Wars and even Rashomon, absurd budget. Audience failure was understandable and so was Disney vetoing a sequel. Turner-Smith should be thankful they didn’t just Willow the series… As for Stenberg, the only drama I’ve seen was her putting out weird, disjointed videos. 🤷‍♂️ She hardly needs any "defending" from the Disney corpos IMHO.

[@malkmuslistener5459]

"'i hate this show because of a certain type of person', how often does that happen?" frankly, it doesn't, not by your typical earnest star wars fan. only _trolls_ say stupid stuff like that, and even _they_ only say it to get a reaction.

[@MiloW456]

I know it feels like there is only a small amount of bigotry and "hYuk Hyuk LesblAn sPAce wiTChes aRe RUIniNg stAr WaRS!" mentality in the star wars fanbase, but ppl like Jodie Turner Smith aren't going to see ppl like me, who wish the show spent more time actually exploring the representation they said it would be centered around. They're going to see conservative, exclusionist bigots like Critical Drinker ppl who call a female action hero 'Guy-ladriel, or see Elrond reading a book and call him a 'fem-boy'. And if you point it out they'll say 'we don't hate women, we just don't like modern Hollywood. Look we like..." and then they'll give two of the same five examples, and Ripley is one of them every single time.

[@adriandenton6637]

Bingo! Trolls are like the boogeyman of the 2020's.

[@mazkeraid4039]

That is an insult to trolls, and I see them as dimwits without expert opinion.

[@kevinst.pierre4413]

Turner-smith: “first day on the internet ?”

[@mobgabriel1767]

its a weird game, the only way to win is not to play

[@paulemge9156]

Disney supported them with over 200 million dollars and they produced a very poor show

[@mazkeraid4039]

230 million dollars.

[@flydye45]

What is the onus on Disney when they are specifically making content for the 'modern' audience? What exactly is the modern audience? I'm not sure but it doesn't include me. Good on them and they are getting the success they deserve.

[@Razazan37]

Where are all these racist and sexist comments? Seriously. I've watched countless videos tearing apart this series on KZbin and haven't seen even one. Are they talking about emails they are getting? What platform is overrun with these comments? I'm genuinely curious.

[@adriandenton6637]

I go on Facebook, KZbin and Instagram and I haven't seen one. Trolls are the boogeyman of the 2020's.

[@DarthDevorin]

That "large buying power" was strangely absent when the Acolyte came out.

[@rllove016148]

Too many people want to claim it’s all racist and sexist. Let’s be real…that’s not anywhere near what is actually reality. 😂

[@adriandenton6637]

It's just fictitious and a good deflecting tactic.

[@zacharyclark3693]

I get what she’s saying, but I’m pretty sure Star Wars has come out multiple times on Social Media and said something like “we don’t support racism” or “we condemn fans who make racist comments.” It hasn’t stopped trolls from going after actors. Actors often blame the fans for why their show flopped, but I think they need to start holding directors/producers accountable. They’re responsible for writing mediocre shows and wasting their talent. For the most part, the writing of the show is what sucks not the actors lacking talent. They convince the actors that the world is against them, but really it’s an excuse for their own shortcomings. Fans will watch your shows if they are well made. You can have successful movies with Black actors. Look at the Black Panther movies and the Spiderverse films just as two examples. They just need to be well written. Then more people will crowd out the trolls.

[@ian-flanagan]

Inch, mile

[@zacharyfett2491]

The studio had their shills running defense for this show even before it was released. Even during the show’s run they were out in force (no pun intended) saying how great the show is and how these are actors who know Star Wars, and they even had their KZbinrs do an entire song about there are more of them than there are of us (viewership said otherwise). Maybe make a great show instead of blaming other people for your own failures.

[@lukepauls8847]

acolyte gets canceled fans: Yaaas Yaas!

[@FabuBrik]

These actors are so damn fragile. No one owes you anything, everything is earned. Do good work and people will like it. Pretty simple really.

[@YegRon]

@@FabuBrik I’d argue that basic human respect is owed at some level, but the issue is, they continue to conflate fans criticisms of the characters with discrimination based on skin colour. Anyone who’s ever been to a convention when Billy Dee Williams is present knows old school SW fans have no issues with skin colour. The ironic part is that the shills and creatives that attack the fans seem to forget that it was Disney that removed Boyega from the posters. It was fans that called that out.

[@Decoto87]

I don’t know about that. Seems like fans look for anything to complain nowadays. I mean Thor and his wife made this into 12:30 video. So whose really fragile?

[@cklambo]

Thats the thing. They think they did good work.

[@YegRon]

@@Decoto87 nobody is forcing you to be here. 42 comments on a channel you’re mocking for discussing something they’re passionate about - I’d say that says more about you than anyone else.

[@Decoto87]

@@YegRon Apologies, I didn’t mean to offend you. And i’m not mocking anyone, just pointing out how fragile fans can be too. I mean it’s been passionate complaining from a lot of fans for nearly 10 years. More than that if you count the prequels. No one is forcing you to watch.

[@shaunsutton699]

The problem is that the actors in the Acolyte were going to use that show to request more money and to get more gigs, and that’s not going to happen since the show was garbage and was canceled.

[@B-eg2oc]

Yaaaaaaas😂😂😂😂

[@alexwallar8608]

You know, the way people react to these words says a lot about you. If you're truly not racist, sexist, homophobic, etc, you would have no need to feel "Called out" or "Attacked" by Disney/Lucasfilm calling those people out

[@floweralligator]

Now imagine being the paying customer 😂

[@Karras353]

Neither her nor Stenberg really do much to dispel the notion that they are entitled and privileged, yet are seeking to use claims of racism as a shield. Both got preferentially hired for the show because of racial and gender identities and yet racial and gender identities were not at the heart of most criticism of it. But Turner-Smith herself seems to have thought that this alone justified the existence of her character and made her interesting.

[@mazkeraid4039]

They are both pretentious doofuses by characteristics, skin tone has nothing to do with it.

[@Banzai51]

You think KK is invested in feminism and diversity? She used you as a shield to get away with petty, personal revenge.

[@fredlusyk6741]

《Believe me, i wish i could just wish away "The Acolyte", but i can't》 ~Anakin Aniseya ...The Power of ONE Troll... ...The Power of TWO Trolls... 🎶The Power of MMMaaannnyyy🎶 ...Be the Duck... ...Or Be Not the Duck... ...there is No Squawk... 👽 🖖 🤖 ...Bob Iger wished for Implementing DEI into LucasFilm... ...Kathleen Kennedy wished for The Force to be Female... ...Leslye Headland wished for Gay STAR WARS... ...& Jodie Turner-Smith wished for playing a Powerful Matriarchal Character to Oppose the "Very Patriarchal" Franchise... 《So, everybody got their wish, didn't they...?》

[@XxTheLegend27xX]

As a black male, I am so incredibly tired of this victim mentality that Disney, for whatever reason, is pushing so hard on to everyone that works or supports them.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Ditto.

[@DingbatToast]

Never any actual proof, screen captures, etc, for all this abuse and racist comments. The number of black and female actors who are much loved and successful are too numerable to mention here. If you are in a shit movie and prove yourself to be an insufferable narcissist and unlikable person, I guess it seems like the world outside your bubble seems to be against you.

[@RaikenXion]

Well I mean doesn't it show that Disney didn't care once they actually started to see the dwindling viewing numbers for each episode of the show? Also I think maybe they realized after Amandla dropped that stupid dis-track, early too, like it was only after the 2nd or 3rd episode, she didnt even wait until the show had finished. I don't think she had much racism thrown toward her, I think she was just simply "dogpiled" with people telling her straight, because it's funny how Jodie-Turner never shows any receipts. I think they're just twisting things here constantly, trying to completely divert away from the FACT most fans and the audience simply didn't like the show and shared their valid criticisms WHY they didn't like the Acolyte. And Disney and actors like her keep ignoring that and spin this whole narrative, that somekind of large group of the fans are RAcists. Meanwhile their acolyte show descends further and further into oblivion.

[@originaldarkwater]

I notice that so many of these activist types fall back on appeals to authority to solve their problems rather than relying on themselves to deal with issues. Personally, I think it's the result of helicopter parenting where Mom or Dad or the teacher was always around to stop other kids from being mean to them, so they expect Disney or the government or whoever to fulfill that role, now.

[@ian-flanagan]

Yes, she says “POCs are a large percentage of buying power” and in *the same sentence* says the “people with the money” (meaning Disney) need to put their foot down I actually support banning those few horrible tweeters from Twitter, and from Disney Plus, but she specifically asks for a “public” stance, rather than any concrete action.

[@originaldarkwater]

@@ian-flanagan Well, they know that what they really want entails people having no privacy online and the police paying you a visit if you're mean to someone on Twitter, but that sounds terrible, so they're not going to come out and say that, assuming they've even thought ahead far enough to realize that's what they are asking for. They just want Mommy to fix it and they don't care how.

[@justinparker7712]

No need to over analyze these actors statements, they're deflecting from a badly performing show and shifting blame to a couple social media posts to paint all the people not watching their show with that brush. Do the HotD or Dune actors talk about this stuff, no.

[@adriandenton6637]

They just presume everyone who watches their shows and is interested in what they do has sh1t for brains, thinks like a child and won't question them.

[@Mgauge]

You can tell me all about the elaborate headcanon you have for your story or characters, but if it isn't in what it shown, it doesn't matter. For all I know, Imperial Goon Number 658 had a complicated relationship with his father and sailed hover skiffs on the weekends with his adorable lizard-dog Scruffy, but it all I saw was him shooting at the main characters, I won't be sad if they shot back.

[@Zooropa1310]

When are we just going to call it "Nabews?"

[@DizzyPanda25]

Imagine wanting to be a public figure like an actor but not wanting to deal with the negatives that come with that. It’s the internet and you’re a public figure people sending you nasty messages and things is just part of the job.

[@skepticalsmurf]

true,l’m sure even Thor & Naboo occasionally receive negative/mean spirited responses on their site(s)it’s the nature of dealing with the public,everyone experiences it 🤔

[@jacobsedlack1173]

I am reminded of what my mother always told me when I complained that life was unfair: "Sundrop, light of my life, who on God's good Earth lied to you that life was fair? Life sucks then you die. But that shouldn't stop you from doing your best for yourself and other."

[@danielbeckner1255]

They're professional victims, and I'll take shit that never happened for 500 Alex.

[@johnpoulton9446]

What is she talking about? Disney LF let her call people racist ,misogynistic and patriarchal and didn’t say a word to discipline her. She sat in the “calling people racist” chair right along with Disney. So they both can argue with each other. I need no part of that BS. She didn’t say a word about Pedro’s posts. She is just as complicit. Damn hypocrite.

[@TaraCicora]

She'll leave

[@devinbrice991]

To be fair, hardly anyone will ever come out and say they hate a show because of its diverse cast. For many, it may be anything from an unconscious objection to an overly critical series of bad faith arguments enhanced by the fact that deep down, the person is against the diversity of what it means for media as a whole. I personally think the acolyte was a miserable series that deserves to be canceled, but I just don't want to understate the very significant group of people who are opposed for the wrong reasons and simply don't come out and say it.

[@adriandenton6637]

Yea i've always hated Twileks, Mon Calamari and Wookies, especially the female ones. Seriously though Rey wasn't even a character, she was just a one dimensional inspirational avatar for young girls so they could play dress-up.

[@ian-flanagan]

I believe the Acolyte was diverse “by force”, i.e. not by equal meritocracy, but deliberately favouring certain immutable characteristics which I think should have no impact on employment. If I’m proven wrong, I would apologise massively. But if I’m right, isn’t that a very valid reason to be against the Acolyte’s “diversity”? Isn’t it actually r-ist and s-ist and s--uality-ist to hire people tokenistically? I have always supported natural diversity from meritocracy, but in the last 5 years, DEI put the doubt in my mind that “positive” discrimination is always happening. If my attitude is as common as I think it is, the kind of unconscious bias you’re talking about is made *worse* the Acolyte. That’s *why* we’re so angry at it, and the pompous actresses crying wolf despite being on the positive end of discrimination.

[@petersanzen4106]

I think it is very important that when we criticise something we criticise exactly what we thought were bad and not just throw out something stupid general negative. Something like "stupid lesbian spce witches". Explain instead what specifically what you thought was bad.

[@ian-flanagan]

I agree, but people like us are totally ignored, as a result

[@chuckmaloney1298]

Yes yes the power of diarrhea and the powerful leader

[@michaelammons4965]

Don't you get tired of having to explain yourself all the time.

[@just_delightful]

Moses Ingram shared a handful of anonymous posts which may be considered racist depending on the race of the of the poster. I think one of the five was egregious, the rest were just dumb. And she was very dumb for having her DMs open as a public figure. Anyone could have received those same 5 stupid messages.

[@kiki42719]

Im sorry its not a SMALL sector of the fanbase that are racist and sexist. There are a lot of those people. Even if you go by % its at least 15%-20% of the overall fanbase

[@Eclipse-mf6hc]

I love ur content Thor but this comment section is getting a bit gnarly ngl

[@jaredpoon5869]

This is just a small note, but when you guys are talking, could you try not to talk over each other. There were a number of times in this video when one person started to talk and the other person talked over the first person. It got rather annoying to listen to. As for the topic at hand, it's a difficult balance. Obviously, Star Wars wants to protect its actors, but it also wants to stay out of unnecessarily controversy and mudslinging. As Thor said, once Amanda returned fire with her video, it just fed the trolls even more. And I would agree that people should not be saying rude or racists things to the individual playing a character, but it's tough when the actor then decides to wade into the discussion after those rude things are said. Disney, then, may be more likely to stand on the sidelines and watch things blow over. At a certain point in time, it's not worth the company getting involved every time there's an internet spat with one of its actors.

[@Eh_D-Man]

I don’t like Stenberg, Turner-Smith, or Headland because of the contents of their characters.

[@mazkeraid4039]

And their characteristics of themselves. Do they have any idea how dimwitted they can be?

[@sofaking1627]

She's just mad she can't sit around and go "Yaaaaaaaaas" Must be so hard.

[@jacksparrow9227]

Mud = Andor

[@hendricksausges3006]

This is AI generated.

[@stevenoneill2037]

Good gooood use the hate it makes for good marketing the more hate the better the profits I can feel it it makes my bank accounts bigger hahahaha.

[@dragonshiny7321]

The witches story is pretty much how the Acolyte's downfall started. They weren't fully fleshed out and died(?) to a single jedi. I feel like they should have had at least half a season dedicated to fully fleshing them out instead of... what we got instead