Joe budden cohost queenzflip and ice react to trap lore ross doc about king von

[@dretheman123]

Us as black people love to deflect and make excuses for the cancerous parts of our culture, which continues to tear us down. When Von was alive and boldly claiming bodies on records, in public and online there was zero outrage from the black community at all. Why was everyone as quiet as a church mouse when Von was alive doing all this, but want to come for the content creators helping to bring awareness and inform us all on the details of this madness. Make it make sense please 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@deidrajames4258]

Facts, it’s really sad what our community glorify

[@GhostDog37]

Right and I know we can do better then this then just talk down on dead people

[@TwntyUp]

people from his own city were outraged out the gate

[@catchwreck928]

I doubt your black and. if u are your non fba,

[@spiral-vp7sp]

We never talk about the obsession with violence within the community. That sort of introspective look is horrifying to people.

[@AtPlay22]

Anyone who thinks Vonn loved or even liked KI is insane. He was sending subliminal messages disguised as flattery and flirting with the intent purpose of threatening and intimidating her.

[@T.Alexis926]

Right.

[@RedStl]

Exactly. And she knew it. They were on the same page.

[@MakingMovesMajor]

Joe's terrified to speak the real

[@EBoss8901]

Bro was in love wit her 🤣

[@francheskavega7251]

True she knew Von wanted to kill her

[@4theculturegaming740]

Mel thinking gang members can’t be serial killers is funny asf😂😂

[@samhatch1657]

She’s Canadian

[@TheShop90sKids]

Even if he wasn’t killing random people like a typical serial killer, he was still a mass murderer.

[@T.Alexis926]

She sounded dumb her and Joe.

[@breeeeez4348]

@@samhatch1657 wtf dat got to do wit it??😂😭😭

[@xbabu142x]

@@breeeeez4348 Having a beaver for a national animal disqualifies you from everything. Basically is a recognized handicap.

[@breakingnews4ya]

Joe seems like he’s the only one who doesn’t know what’s going on. “They fell in love”😂😂😂wtf is Joe taking about 😂

[@BG-zt1bs]

Joe goofy

[@DeeBrownLTD]

They did like each other tho. Von has tweets on making sexual jokes at her

[@Bgb902]

They did say they dated and was in love lol von used to send her messages saying how cute she was and flirting

[@BodieB]

​@@Bgb902he was trolling her... it was obvious

[@Bgb902]

@@BodieB obviously she didn’t even like niggas

[@phenomgamingdz7030]

if you watch Chicago scene before, you realise that trap lore didn't put anything new.

[@JFresh393]

Fact's

[@truartist5379]

ABSOLUTELY!!!! Trap emotes and gives his opinion by all of that was stolen content! Nothing new in there besides Von killing cgr, which Melly did. So he has a few bodies on there that Von may have taken credit for but didn’t do

[@SpaceghostJ]

He just a lame whiteboy tryna come up off black people. They all have nothing better to do

[@Los334_]

On ma

[@thegoat5375]

It’s not new cause it’s from like 2-3 years ago

[@kenyataylor34]

When joe said “they fell in love” that took me out! 😂😂

[@meeshakazuloosir1488]

For real, I was like, who is he talking about. He sounded like a whole goofy over there

[@isadachopper9674]

Bro I’m dying 😭

[@MellyGib]

Old ass man doesn’t even know what’s going on 😂

[@Joshdifferent]

😂😂😂

[@BreezeOliver]

Glad they talking about trap lore Ross. Dudes documentaries are incredible

[@EJ-bq1nu]

He's a vulture who pieced together shit that everyone already knew.

[@darnellharris1799]

Pieces together videos from other sites

[@framesdeanthesunsetters3372]

@@darnellharris1799 incredibly well 🤌🏾

[@jamessweeting6788]

Them not documentaries they just KZbin videos lol the man is not interviewing anyone nor going to the sites don’t feed his pandering ass ego lol

[@duraglamar]

He another culture vulture

[@Jotiyh]

Home girl in the middle desperately not trying to acknowledge gang members or drill rappers can be serial killers as well - the difference with some drill rappers and King Von, many of them were gang banging to survive in the streets but was killing dudes that tried to kill them and they would kill in self defense then would rap - and diss those who tried to kill them while always saying they wish for better days or to get out of this etc but King Von on the other hand he literally would go outside at random , killing anybody in standing in a rival territory and some of the dudes he killed weren’t even trying to kill him and wasn’t after him and barely was even gang banging then he would tweet and rap about loving to kill and bragging about killing and wanting to have more bodies and he got out of the hood , got rich and famous and still was tweeting about wanting to kill lol even with the feds after him for previous murders he committed he still was tweeting and making songs about wanting to kill or bragging about killing. That’s literally what Jack the Ripper and many serial killers would do to police , brag about their killings asking to be caught and or if they can be caught etc

[@kamilisaintleger8346]

That infuriated me. Like we need to start acknowledging the actual sick mentality that goes into this.

[@kiaramurray832]

Facts! One was out the gang life and one was just outside sweeping at his job and was killed and Von did not care. The way he kept going after Duck after he had moved away and had money is True psychopathy.

[@Stunt877]

@@kiaramurray832 now that whole him putting money on Duck head is cap it literally makes no sense lol

[@teotron7913]

​@@kiaramurray832 getting a job dosent stop you from being a gang member you really think people just going stop trying to get revenge because he has a job now or money you really trying to turn all these people to victims everybody of both side was the same

[@FuryLobo]

To the woman who said "It was incentive". 3 of those people who were killed were not gang affiliated. They were either from the SAME STREET, OG's who retired from that life OR completely innocent bystanders. It's crazy how she simps for him.

[@zaygangway1064]

Out of all the people tlr named Von only had to do with 6 of them being killed and all of them were gang affiliated

[@LazySativa]

shes dumb af and trying to protect ppl who will rape n kill with no hesitation

[@somerandom39]

you talking like you were there lmao

[@Stunt877]

@@somerandom39 Bruh this is common sense Malcolm Stuckey wasn’t involved in what Von had going on. Even if he was a gang member his side didn’t beef with their side he got killed cause he was a witness

[@somerandom39]

@@Stunt877 you’re stating something completely different from the person i replied to lmao

[@kivanihabhouse3467]

Trap lore Ross should get an award for his docs

[@jmilla5450]

He was a psychopathic killer. He displayed most or almost all traits for psychopathic behavior. Many of these people are in government, the military, nurses, doctors it’s not as rare as you think. Read a very interesting article about this. What separates a psychopath from going rogue truly is your foundational up bringing who you have around you to stare you in a productive direction. This could go for anyone but particularly psychopaths need this because their outcomes can become deadly.

[@steezyonyoutube9896]

My ex was a psychopath lol. Shits mad common. They're just ppl who don't care about others and will do anything that suits themselves.

[@duncanpenderhughes8865]

Straight up 🤫

[@jmilla5450]

@@steezyonyoutube9896 exactly and these people usually become productive citizens, but if there upbringing becomes unstable or there environment has chaos this pushes them to the edge and the killer comes out. Now they kill in many different ways but there is satisfaction from it. Also yes they self centered. Not much empathy for others. The article I read was very through.

[@steezyonyoutube9896]

@@jmilla5450 yeah psychopathy doesn't necessarily mean violent. It just means they don't feel human emotion, they have no empathy, they parody being humans with self preservation and their own desires, whatever they are, at the forefront. People are means to an end or objects to them. Most killers are psychopaths, but all psychopaths are not killers.

[@jasont8773]

Everybody in Chicago is like that.. that’s they culture

[@pat99121]

Joe needs to let them cook more often. Ice gets more engaged on topics he’s more interested in. Sometimes it’s good to take a back seat.

[@FlyyHigh834]

Joe dnt like when someone other then him on the Pod is " poddin"

[@truartist5379]

No one wants to EVER her Jo talk

[@HUGH_JANUS80]

Yeah he does that a lot. I really think lowkey he doesn't want any of his co-hosts to shine too much. If u notice anytime someone else starts really cooking he jumps talking bout he don't care that much or it's time to move on 🙄

[@jayinthebx]

​@@HUGH_JANUS80 aand he being jumping in to make a corny joke alot too..

[@betterdays29]

When they were talking about ATL they were talking about young thug right?

[@buiegl]

It totally blows my mind how these guys are just now realizing this…

[@truartist5379]

Ppl live in a Hollywood bubble

[@Mrgomodefr]

Naw fr😂😂 and the crazy part is they think that being a killa is what creates this mindset 😂😂😂 Keef, Durk, everyone in the environment is affected. I still see Keef liking pics of his dead opps on IG to this day and bro is the one that started the tooka trend on Oblock. It don’t matter if u got 0 bodies or 15 bodies, an opp is an opp.

[@amazingfabs]

To be fair, not everyone does research on hood wars or politics. I know I don't, sometimes if it don't go viral, I have no clue what's going on, but that might because I'm not from there and I'm too busy to delve too deep into it..

[@buiegl]

@@amazingfabs But they are actual hip hop journalists.

[@amazingfabs]

@@buiegl Good point. I can only say maybe, they don't know the ins and outs of Chicago. But they might know more of New York stuff.. but you are right though..

[@kapkix]

They didn’t fall in love, Joe. He was telling her he loved her and he wanted to hook up with her via dms and tweets.

[@CandaceMelissa]

Exactly! Plus it looks good that he’s flirting with her in her DMs. If he would have ever been charged with her murder that’s good for the defense

[@midasmusa3660]

it’s called tryna backdoor your opp… and he was just an asshole fr 😭 imagine the person killing your friends tryna “hook up”

[@coreyadams1982]

Exactly, he was trolling her.

[@PRIDEATH]

The fact they don't see this typical old head behavior they're so oblivious to everything🙄

[@CandaceMelissa]

@@PRIDEATH Facts plus she was gay 😂😂😂

[@kenworldwide2071]

Losing a brain cell watching this. The girl n joe are delusional 😂😅

[@ghettogov6161]

In order for convo to be interesting everyone can't just agree. Joe and Mel were trying to lighten it up a lil bit.

[@lonesomedove8959]

She tried really hard to spin it but failed miserably, the hypocrisy of this community is already well known now, it’s not how it was two years ago.

[@Bayshay]

Of what community? Chicago just like most cities around the U.S have crime period, their are more guns than people. And mental health play large part as well as poverty. Plus all these mass shootings? all this has been going on for a long time. Its the Americans problem essentially.

[@truartist5379]

She’s an airhead

[@leafysplays]

The problem stems from what definition you use. If you just google and use googles definition. She would be right. "a person who commits a series of murders, often with no apparent motive and typically following a characteristic, predictable behavior pattern." The apparent motive is what she is touching on. The fact that he is in a gang makes it so he has a motive to kill. But if you use the FBI definition then King Von is most definitely a serial killer.

[@thegoat5375]

Yess 😂 I notice that too

[@lamarallen4474]

@shotmaker7205 she didnt know wtf she was talkin about

[@kiaramurray832]

Von was enjoying the kills and the murderers. He relished in it. Mocked it and couldn’t even stop after he was making money. He wasn’t killing to survive, he was killing bc he liked it and then laughed after it. It greatly disturbed me. Took all his music out my phone. I had no idea he was really living what he was rapping. Worst part to me was him with the little kid, with the toy gun, telling him to shoot in the head. And he wasn’t playing either. Bet that kid is either dead or in jail now

[@T.Alexis926]

That part really bothered me too.

[@wavyboyty5]

But how? He got popular after beating 2 murder charges and it was publicized?

[@KennyMacDC]

If you have a problem with him living his raps then why even listen to gangster music at all you need to delete all of the street music that you have in your phone off it

[@Treyco]

So you mad cause he really was loving what he rapped about? Wtf 😂

[@BIGOPP718]

Lol y’all like these fake ass rappers who never did shit might as well delete your playlist

[@jordanporter5833]

Bruh I watched thr documentary and I was just like 😮. He was a legit serial killer. Crazy Crazy Crazy. But the chick said he needed to follow a ritual to be considered a killer. He would kill someone and go home and eat cereal. That was his ritual

[@TalkingThrones]

Eat cereal and smoke on em 🚬

[@coolestclaminthesea]

Not a serial killer, for the record he was never convicted of any of those bodies, 1 but he beat that, so more like ALLEGED serial killer. And also ppl only glorify Von because he was a good rapper. If he’s a serial killer then Chicago is full of serial killers. There is way more than just Von. Look up the Grave Digger for ex.

[@718datbxkid]

Yep he said killing was like having sex

[@zgsfreaky9102]

@@718datbxkid That was cdai that said that. Not von.

[@serenequeen1125]

Literally said “cereal” as soon as she said that 😂

[@midasmusa3660]

they struggling keeping up w the von stuff “they fell in love” 😂 von was trolling and tryna backdoor her

[@T.Alexis926]

Right!? I'm like Joey couldn't have sounded more ignorant. Lol How you don't know when a gang member trolling an opp? You from NY you should know this ish!!! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@lucag.lisickza425]

exactly

[@Dwayne3007]

Von literally was living his rhymes.

[@anactualopinion868]

And that's why he's not living anything right now

[@bigbossman5959]

Yh massive achievement. Bet his parents are proud!

[@Wideout4]

@@anactualopinion868 💯

[@FearShigo]

@@anactualopinion868 most warriors die it has always been that way but at the same time everyone dies so it don’t really matter the only thing I don’t condone is a innocent child dying key word “innocent” and “child” if you don’t fall in that category you can die survival of the fittest

[@desiarnes4731]

@@anactualopinion868 everybody gotta go one day that’s guaranteed

[@n8y538]

Von had a sick infatuation with murder. I believe that for him it was much deeper than just killing a opp. From the things he said , he truly loved killing and that’s serial killer mentality. He wasn’t just killing to protect his neighborhood or to get some get back for his friends I believe he truly got some sort of satisfaction within himself from just committing murders he made it so clear.

[@sterlHAsilva]

Did you know him?

[@eatass5627]

@@sterlHAsilva look at his tweets he literally talked about how he loved to kill bron

[@n8y538]

@@sterlHAsilva you didn’t have to know him , the man literally outlined his exact feelings about murder all over Twitter 😂

[@revengeofmozart]

@@n8y538 nobody born like that bro. He been tryna get back and it took over him

[@MF-Rell]

Nah, Stfu!! The internet portrayed him in the light. If were to ask him on the block no nigga here would feel like he's a serial killer.

[@imeiprxy01]

joe gon trip when we see how von slid on prom

[@Bj2003_]

He was sliding for durk cousin nuski. Shit a crazy story

[@SheenaD444]

Of course CPD knew Von was committing these crimes, however it's not what you know, it's about what can be proven and upheld in a court of law.

[@deagle2yadome696]

ahhh a thinker!

[@truartist5379]

They DON’T CARE IF NICCAS KILL NICCAS! Let them kill each other so we’ don’t have to deal with em. Until they make a mistake and do it around good old white America… then we’ll use all of this WE’VE KNOWN FOR YRS and come and get you!

[@blancobey3837]

This needs to be pin!! Bingo!! Which is why he was so cocky even on video to the police he flaunted beating murder cases..🥴🤨

[@deagle2yadome696]

@@blancobey3837 in that video them boys told him the body cams was recording lol they didn’t want him to incriminate himself

[@Anthonyj-rj3yg]

Honestly they didn't care about either side killing each other....

[@GangstalkTi8]

You know what's insane to me? That a video was made by an older gentleman talking about how not one funeral home wanted to take his body after he passed away. They were scared of the possible revenge and backlash that could come back to them. Now I have never, in all my years of life heard of anything like that! (RIP to everyone who lost their lives and their families.)

[@tiger-teamtactical4160]

I saw that still he was in his car talking about that 😢

[@bigbadtrapalot.]

it’s happened before.

[@mrs.Italy.D]

You must not have been to any hood funeral’s. It happens all the time that’s how Wooski got hit! And Von thought that shit was funny but his body got left in the morgue because nobody wanted to be affiliated with him! They had his funeral and burial in secret 🤫 Because they knew what was coming! They couldn’t even bury him where he lived his life because of the life he lived!

[@deagle2yadome696]

where did his funeral end up being at

[@truartist5379]

They should have cremated him and toss him lol

[@BRENENHARRIS]

“I gave out a HUNDRED, boy I bet they coming! Strong stomach, I did shit up close, I ain’t never vomit!” - King Von

[@ThisIsTheSmoke]

The cereal/serial stuff blew my mind 🤯

[@extrabaron]

She doesn’t know what he is taking about. He was lost definitely a serial killer. He killed and shot at countless people over almost a decade and left clues/taunted his victims after killing them.

[@jeremiahdonerlson227]

Bro nigga just was childish not a serial killer since when young black people our serial killer.Niggas killing because they lost homies not because they serial killers

[@bigscrap_pnl]

But i think she means in the regard that serial killers mo is never personal it will be something particular like slim white girls with red hair from ages 17-25 bound gagged and stabbed to death. Von killed opposing gang members. Like most gangs at war. The tweets were cultural all of chicago did that he was not a unicorn in that 051 melly taysavage etc… they would go live on ig with the ppl they are at war with and seen like friends to the ppl who couldn’t pick up on the lingo

[@MrSly-xr3fr]

Course he was a serial killer that's no question!? The documentary was titled the 1st serial killer rapper....

[@Banime20]

Serial Killer isn’t a diagnostic term. Everyone is getting it mixed up. A Psychopath or Sociopath is only considered a Serial Killer if they kill 3 or more people. She is describing a Diagnosis vs the actual definition of serial killer. Anyone who kills 3 or more people in cold blood in a period of time is a Serial killer. You don’t have to meet the criteria for Psychopathy or Sociopathy.

[@gelo888]

@@idleapex19 it’s not just the killings. It’s the gratification and pure joy Von got out of taking people’s lives. If you continuously kill people and you keep seeking it then bragging about it and reveling in it then you’re a serial killer

[@royalband6839]

SAY IT FLIP! THE POLICE WANTED THE GANGS TO WHIPE EACH OTHER OUT! BY IGNORING THE SIGNS AND CLUES!

[@brandonjones3306]

Flip also be sayin police shouldn't be using rap lyrics as evidence. Gotta pick a side.

[@emporeraizen1695]

Yea, because the police made them shoot and kill each other

[@LorenCognita]

Can you blame them? I only think they’re wrong for taking this job in the first place. There’s much safer cities that need police where they can work and actually do their job. Since these people want the police defunded so bad the CPD should just leave and work somewhere else. Let the government figure out how to reform these neighborhoods, that’s outside the scope of police training anyway.

[@paramjotsandhu86]

Bro it doesn’t matter if he was in the gang or not dudes still a cold blooded murder lmao y’all got me weak

[@earljohnson2613]

ICE shoe game been on point lately 😅🤣If Chicago was a horror movie, King Von is Rose Mary's baby!!! Just being honest

[@SabrumBaker]

Shoutout to TLR seriously. It’s incredible a lot of people didn’t know this already. I stopped listening to his music ages ago because it just got uncomfortable after awhile tbh. Listening and then doing the research just to find out 99% of the things he said were true is unsettling.

[@truartist5379]

I’ve never listened only say the video of his death. I felt bad for his mom initially. Once I learned more about him, I took those feelings and turned em off! She was a killer too bcuz she knew exactly what he was doing and didn’t stop or report him

[@RR-lv3tp]

I'd argue, it's refreshing. Most rappers are fake af.. Doing none of the things they rap about. Von was clearly no joke, and he seemed to embrace his sociopathy lol Right or wrong, he embraced what he was. If not condoned, its at least respectable

[@mewxtwo]

​@@RR-lv3tp see this is how I feel about it too

[@Tuelz...]

​@@RR-lv3tp yeah but von only got away with it so long cus the cops let him. It's a bad example he set on kids cus they thought they can do anything and get away. All those drillers in NYC favorite rapper was Von. As soon as they shot one person they whole gang is in a rico. In NYC they not playing around like CPD. Ppl saw Von killing 10 ppl and was like ima be like him not knowing unless you in a City noone cares about your going to jail forever fast af

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

​@@RR-lv3tp 😂😂😂😭😭😭 Ok bro

[@coreyadams1982]

Von was trolling K.I in that ABC documentary. .

[@wooskionehundred1788]

All of this been known on the Chicago drill scene, it’s also other rap serial killers. They just didn’t boast about it. Cpd let these guys kill each other. A Rico could’ve been applied 10 years ago.

[@T.Alexis926]

Exactly!

[@topshot_ted6798]

That’s a fact !

[@mrs.Italy.D]

🗣️ They honestly let this happen right in front of them and look the other way. They’ve been doing it for years here. Chicago is the testing ground for the purge! No lie! That cern center has alot to do with it!!

[@amimi92]

These gang factions nowadays can hardly be considered “organized crime.” They really just be a group of kids that run the streets and kill each other over territorial disputes that they don’t even know the root cause of themselves. There’s no racketeering or money laundering in a big scale, etc. Just kids out there killing each other for petty reasons. And when CPD try to get witnesses to build a case, they don’t speak up or they’re killed to ensure silence. Can’t do much beyond that point.

[@kevinlester2609]

YOU CANT DEFEND A SERIAL KILLER GANG OR NO GANG.

[@UtdG01]

Oh but we find a way in this community....

[@kevinlester2609]

@@UtdG01 long live Jeffery Dahmer then...smh

[@jessiah1242]

Who a serial killer?

[@Muahaha651]

@@kevinlester2609 yea honestly I hate when Hollywood makes shows about serial killers. It’s stupid that they do it and should never be done so matter who it is

[@brandonbarnes6283]

@@kevinlester2609 He lost his father to gang violence at young age; he got jumped by his rivals at young age; he witnessed his friend being murdered on his birthday; he also was encouraged to murder by fellow gang members who he considered his brother.. You guys are teaching with this serial killer thing too hard and comparing him to dhamer is wild…That was just a mislead young man who if grew up in a more stable environment would not likely have succumbed to that lifestyle… Jeffrey dhamer on the other hand grew up polar opposite…

[@ShaunyKnuckles]

Low key Trap Lore Ross just blew up 🤣

[@donc7984]

Dude literally has vids with millions of views, that vids not even his most viewed vid he blew up on youtube years ago

[@ShaunyKnuckles]

@@donc7984 I know I follow him but he's only a fixture now. He said TMZ even called him up when his vid got taken down.

[@deagle2yadome696]

what really blew it up was vons goofy cousin getting the vid taken down. Streisand effect

[@ShaunyKnuckles]

@@deagle2yadome696 1.8 mil views in 4 days it clearly didn't stop nothing

[@deagle2yadome696]

@@ShaunyKnuckles when did i say it stopped anything i’m actually saying the literal exact opposite of that...

[@wilmchale7025]

regarless of what she sees at the regular serial kiler, by definition he absolutely fits the criteria

[@BobaTheOtakuMan]

He wasn't the only one tweeting about crimes

[@rallodenotv8263]

Exactly and everybody else got locked up bobby got locked up for one song lol

[@BobaTheOtakuMan]

@@rallodenotv8263 I was talking about Chicago and none of them got locked up for Tweets. Actually only Kyro but that's because someone snitched when he threatened a judge

[@whiteshadow666777]

@@BobaTheOtakuMan says something about chicago PD

[@ghettogov6161]

Ice really wanted us to see his shoes.

[@adam.knight]

Trap Lore Ross got the whole culture talking.

[@truartist5379]

A white boy that’s not even American

[@SpaceghostJ]

The what?

[@pistolpete8231]

If you think this foolishness is a "culture", I'm very concerned about where this "culture" is going.

[@amimi92]

@@pistolpete8231 It went to shit decades ago when we started uplifting and applauding this kind of music.

[@johnroe4551]

Gang culture is CULTURE. Guess what? HIP HOP was founded buy GANG MEMBERS.

[@newcaddie9582]

Charleston White called him a serial killer first

[@serenequeen1125]

Flip and Ice are definitely needed because why hadn’t the others already been familiar with the doc? Mind you, I’m 33 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@devilinthedetails8350]

Salute to people less mad at reporting and more mad about the killings.

[@2tallnegrito7cmn55]

Naw shorty von was a serial killer for sure

[@MrBurns-fq2xf]

Yeah Fuck the motive he was on some serial killer shit fa sho

[@3teeth300]

Y’all agree with anything white peoples say

[@rikiamcadory1414]

PEOPLE ARE REALLY SLOW! A SERIAL KILLER KILLS RANDOM PEOPLE FOR NO REASON! VON IS NOT A SERIAL KILLER PERIOD! STOP IT!

[@jmilla5450]

He was a psychopathic killer. He displayed most or almost all traits for psychopathic behavior. Many of these people are in government, the military, nurses, doctors it’s not as rare as you think. Read a very interesting article about this. What separates a psychopath from going rogue truly is your foundational up bringing who you have around you to stare you in a productive direction. This could go for anyone but particularly psychopaths need this because their outcomes can become deadly.

[@sunsetsmoke29]

Crazy thing is Von has dope music. Could’ve possibly been one of the greats if he had lived. I see some copy cats coming behind him once they see this documentary and see it was real.

[@dominicthelordkabinga]

Tbh almost all the Chicago drill artists are dope mainly because they’re music is almost 100% authentic.

[@sunsetsmoke29]

@@dominicthelordkabinga authenticity doesn’t make music good. None of them stood out like Von talent wise outside of the youngsters who like drill music. Von was an artist who reached any hiphop head.

[@DM-lj2mn]

Bro if he lived he would’ve been in jail for life a year later lmao

[@LorenCognita]

He sold his soul to the devil in the streets a long time ago. Them demons was just giving him some fire bars to further perpetuate violence 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@dominicthelordkabinga]

@@sunsetsmoke29 Serious? You don’t think Rondo9, Lil Reese and Breezy were talented?

[@MrDekasOne]

The king Von documentary should be a big wake up call to everyone in the hip hop industry

[@DevilsTales]

There’s two types of serial killers, process killers and product killers. Process killers love the thrill of the hunt, stalking, waiting for an opportunity, learning your patterns. Product killers are that because they want the body.

[@TheSlimeDistrict]

Shorty said he’s not a serial killer bc he doesn’t fit the criteria IE serials killers have a ritual. So does von, he went on Twitter after every body. He needed props and so do a lot of serial killer. They want their mo known

[@YoungindaSP]

Joe Button just be aggressively wrong

[@shykilhayes6747]

I don't understand how anyone can sit and talk with Joe Budden he has feminine characteristics he acts like a woman and always acts as if he's better than everyone else around around him when he's not I used to like the guy but his level of arrogance is astronomically Goofy he expects everyone around him to hold conversation when he himself never has anything interesting or important to talk about nothing comes out of that man mouth to make you think wow I really like listening to this guy I can relate everything he says makes sense he takes everyone out of their element and brings stagnation to their focus which most times in turn leads to some sort of argument or controversy and then when he gets punched in his face he runs

[@Kyall3]

the reason i aint watched the pod in a couple months. joe was always the main draw on the pod for me. when he got ice and Ish I rocked with Ish too. currently idk wtf they doing lmao

[@mr.cangieter8758]

Trap Lore Ross deserves his shine. He earned it. But also, I feel Drugstore Films needs to be recognized as well. His documentaries are full of information as well. Usually before others and more in depth. I just feel like he needs to work out his editing and he'll be golden.

[@MrParis215]

Facts... They go wayyyyyyy into their journalism fo sho ... never thought I was gonna sit through a 3hr Doc... but Trap did that shit

[@johnroe4551]

Piecing together other KZbinrs work is not journalism

[@lincolngraham5502]

He steps into serial killer waters when he loves it and he gets a happiness from it

[@ChiseledAdonis]

Nothing pisses me off more than seeing people make excuses for gang members murdering each other... That girl tried to make it seem as if he can't be a serial killer, if she watch the documentary you can see Von was ENJOYING people dying...

[@uncomfortabletruths7990]

She had so,e sort of bias for sure. She might have been fantasizing about the dude and the label of him being a serial killer ruins her fantasy

[@festusaniemeka3350]

Joe over here writing a romance novel

[@LuckyLuciano-n3p]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@randomme1344]

TLR finally getting his flowers. That video was a masterclass of journalism

[@rmyCHI]

Chicago scene 88 been had a documentary with everything trap lore put out. It’s old news & yall praising him for someone else’s hard work 🤦🏿. Y’all beyond slow

[@deagle2yadome696]

@@rmyCHIyou’re hating where’s YOUR 4 hour doc?

[@randomme1344]

@@rmyCHI it’s the overall presentation. Give all the kids in class the same task and see who comes out with the best result

[@randomme1344]

@@rmyCHI overall Visual More information detail Entertainment

[@Husha2263]

Her 1st take was based off movies and tv🤣🤣 Its ok to just listen when you don't have anything of value to add

[@loyaltyfirst7036]

Gang members also kill civilians by strays and taking out witnesses She talking about what she seeing on criminal minds and shit

[@zulufader9313]

Good riddance King Von

[@erickinsey7268]

When ak talk the chiraq ish its a problem . when someone drop a whole doc and we promote it.

[@jalenfrommiramar]

😂😂😂 not Ice realizing King Von was a real person

[@dominicthelordkabinga]

Ice is so unaware. How do you listen to drill and not think that stuff is low-key demonic. It’s very basic music yet extremely enchanting because it comes from a very real but dark place.

[@LijeeWin]

He's a serial killer and died still trying to run down on opps.. I salute Trap Lord Voss because at least somebody besides the Fed's can put two and two together. At some point people have to understand Chicago PD knows exactly what's going on and don't give af

[@blackqueen5201]

Nope they want blks to kill off blks because their numbers are down

[@KreativeJ]

Von took losses just like the other side. He was on demon time but he wasn't the only one.

[@ysl_443ysl]

But he was the most famous one and made a lot of money from them murders. Besides durk, he technically the only one who did what he did and became wealthy from it…….. R Kelly ain’t the only celeb that messes with underage girls but the point is he did

[@serenequeen1125]

All villains have an origin story

[@stackzdollaz9508]

Facts.

[@KreativeJ]

Im not saying it's right but Von went after other gangs he had beef with, dudes who killed his friends or wanted to see him dead. The other side would've been doing the same thing Von & Durk did if they had the chance to make it first. No one is innocent.

[@rmyCHI]

@Shavoy London you clearly not from Chicago 😂😂

[@Justenosh]

Long live grandson🖤🐐

[@Beautifully_Chaotic3109]

I bet you be the first one ready to protest yelling blm

[@Donoloui]

I get what she’s saying. It’s similar to what people in the military do a war. They just interviewed a guy who had 30+ bodies at war and said he had to be a savage. But I do understand how the taunting can be seen as SK minded.

[@bermudav3348]

If a person in the military gets satisfaction from his kills and does a little ritual or symbolic action I'd definitely label them a serial killer. It just happens that there circumstance allows for it to be done legally and without fear of the law.

[@82DC]

KI never wanted no relationship with Von was obsessed with her Von is a straight up serial killer black people need to do better scared to say the truth we need to condemn this behaviour

[@jacquemiller9847]

So, going forward now knowing what you know. Will you call/push for a change in the content of this type of music or at least be an advocate for it not be played so freely?

[@Logjambam]

Von purposefully showing up to a documentary about the person he killed is all I need to prove to myself that he was getting gratification from it

[@nukelowe9557]

Joe Budden don't know what he talking about 😂😂

[@tinawilliams3999]

I still like Von very good story teller

[@Revengex19999]

The fact our culture idolizes this shit is beyond depressing. King von should be a social leper not an icon

[@keeganthorpe]

“fell in love”???? I’m quite sure Von was incapable of feeling anything. Let alone love.

[@Moneythedon]

What Atlanta calls they talking about??

[@bobbiedylan9758]

Joe knows exactly what’s going on 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@kavid8120]

exactly. dude stay watching documentaries but for some reason he ain’t watch this one about one of the most popular rappers to come out of chicago

[@papertiger9845]

@@kavid8120bc he hates when white ppl do anything in the culture lol

[@PhoenixRising82672]

Why am I not surprised a Woman would try and rationalize Von not being a serial killer She's saying that because she's attracted to him

[@TheboyFernando]

Ice u can’t say u was a fan frm early but u didn’t know brody was rapping real shit

[@lillugubrious]

The thumbnail of joe mad blurry has me dying 😂😂

[@soobright]

“Nothing hangs over us as dreadful as our neighbor’s ascendency to fame and fortune “- Samuel

[@miamidisgester209]

Explain the quote bro its fire but am a little dumb to comprehend

[@BigWoe954]

@@miamidisgester209 me too

[@eveofneverland2363]

@@miamidisgester209if someone you know gets famous and you’re not mature enough to not be jealous you’re going to be salty until you sort your issues out. That’s what the quote means. Sorting that shit out is easier said than done though, especially if not having enough money is causing you a lot of stress.

[@n0273]

relevance?

[@kudzaiishegonese7667]

Trap Lore is crazy ,,,respect !!!

[@hankinhaghis2058]

I still can’t believe somebody creeped into the morgue and took pictures 😲🤦🏾‍♂️ that shit was worse than coming across a dead body

[@janaquarius7990]

Are those brown and light blue Reebok? If so 🔥🔥🔥

[@AGAPAH]

You had no clue ICE😂😂😂 Man where CW at

[@ARandomDog_]

Man can somebody tell Joe they weren’t in love, von was tryna hookup wit her and crushing on her but she wasn’t feeling it at all. It was very 1 sided

[@digitaldebacle493]

Facts i aint never heard of this love story he talking about.

[@him4440]

& even Von was trolling

[@PRIDEATH]

It was an obvious backdoor attempt that's how you trick these old heads say one things and let your actions do another

[@ARandomDog_]

@@him4440 exactly von wasn’t even being serious when he was talking to her😂

[@ButtacupTF]

"They fell in love?????" WTF came up with that BS???? Romanticizing this is dangerous, this is not a narrative or even somebody playing scripted character, this is real life "TRIGGAZ" (switch N for T) shyt. They was never any love between this two. This shyt started with she was feud up with all her "male" friends/comrades get murdered constantly due to street beefs. She became a killer herself because she figured they would not expect it from a female. So this made her the biggest target in CHI which means VON was not the only one that was hunting her. She became a prize in CHI streets. What her & Von did (body count) is not new, just more phucked up. CHI been like this since the 80's.

[@TheShop90sKids]

It’s crazy how on one hand they’re like “the police saw all these tweets and didn’t do nothing? They were just letting them kill each other”. But they would’ve been the same dudes that would’ve screamed out “Free so and so” if they were to get locked up.

[@BakedAllYearTv]

For someone that lives in London and can pull all the information from the internet. Is BAFFLING then for ppl to be mad that he said this…. Is even more astounding

[@eja2199]

It's crazy how a lot of people paint Von as the serial killer and just a demon but will say "RIP 051 Melly. He was the realest!!" I never understood that. Von wasn't the only one, he was just the most known one. It's hella other cats that was wilding just as much as Von. All them dudes crazy and are a product of their environment. They played the whole "catch a opp, smoke a opp" game to a tee. None of them are innocent. It's messed up out there.

[@Cuz_alegend]

Yea Melly was laying down bodies

[@ysl_443ysl]

That’s why we speaking in it…… he was famous and made money from the murders by putting it on records….. of course Von ain’t the only one, your statement is a deflection(probably cuz you a fan), I understand your point but 2 wrongs don’t make one greater or lesser than the other…. Von is what he is and he himself let it be known…… He didn’t call himself a serial killer but he didn’t have to. The amount of murders and shootings up until his death classifies that title

[@gambitreign]

That nigga literally was a serial killer. Stop taking up for these fake ass niggas.

[@dmcfail987]

​@@ysl_443ysl “your statement is a deflection” I'm confused as to why black people keep tryna justify the bullshit

[@rayray7239]

Rap's serial killer pay attention goof melly was never a rapper

[@aidenrodriguez10]

What’s this documentary called where Can I find it

[@jerry85g7]

Trap Lore Ross has produced amazing content.

[@mordecaimcnasty]

People need to give my man his flowers, he does his research and puts it together with great skill. Always live watching his content

[@justinsomerville434]

how did you get this footage i cant find it anywhere

[@bigibb]

Bottom line he a killer. Serial or other he was sick. Music was 🔥 tho

[@KillaCam4sho]

No Joe. They was never in love. He was trollin tf out that girl

[@cynthiagarciasosa9809]

I think Chicagocene88 did a better job at telling this story.

[@Kyall3]

agreed. trap lore ross essentially just did a longer version of the same video at least 2-3 different youtube channels did years ago

[@rmyCHI]

THANK YOU!!! His was way more accurate

[@ContentKingTV]

GROWN MEN TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN HALF THEIR AGE.

[@Jotiyh]

I lived in Chicago at the time of Von death and I used to stay in O-Block and it’s literally DIFFICULT to even get a Uber or a Cab if you live in certain dangerous areas in Chicago particularly out there in O-Block sometimes I would have to walk far to a different area then order a Uber at a McDonald’s or something just to go to work and I’m gay and purposely would switch when I walk and ain’t nobody wondering what gang set a gay nigga in so I barely was even bothered I had a few DL niggax pull up tryna holla but I been with a NBA player on the low and I ain’t Bonnie to no nigga Clyde so I’m good But majority of funeral homes in the Chi would not take Von body because they felt it would be a literal gang war outside the funeral home with many gangs and innocent people losing their lives on that day and a lot of them feared of their building also being targeted and shit up or even them coming in and stealing his corpse or something so it was way real in Chicago at that time.. + they was laughing at Von for surviving so long in Chicago and being “untouchable” in the chi but yet go to Atlanta and easily get killed by a midget. It’s dead azz dangerous in Chicago only depending on where you are but if you’re in a certain neighborhood and you walking around listening to music with yo phone and headphones niggaz will literally randomly walk up and press you and ask who you listening to.. I don’t necessarily know what they gone do I just know niggaz out there do it.

[@Elajt550]

Quando and Lil Tum done society a favour.

[@derekooka2358]

I think it's funny how surprised people are finding out about king von. I thought all gangsta rappers were serial killers. At least that's what it seems like. When they got there whole crew waving guns lol

[@markjackson1512]

Everybody all of a sudden acting surprised

[@Mrgomodefr]

The crazy part is they think that being a killa is what makes this mentality 😂 it’s the environment. Keef still be on IG to this day laughing and liking dead opps pictures. Wait until the media finds out about Cdai who even Von HIMSELF thought was doing too much bro kilt fathead and had some of the most disgusting tweets I’ve ever seen in my life and even after that cdai and Drose broke into Tutu’s mama house and destroyed his mural by her fireplace.

[@ZafariBae]

Now people are understanding how severe the Chicago killings were blocks territory and literally young kids wanting clout money it’s just sad so many innocent and some just tryna survive rest in peace to all those that lost their life due to gun violence

[@FishScaleNetwork]

The shit ain’t cool if we being real. These niggas got real issues and the label seek them out to make um rich. Von ain’t the story, it’s all the kids that wanna be him. He was given power and influence, we should watch who is put in the forefront 💯

[@mikebeon2539]

Who were they talking about from Georgia?

[@richb.o.n9208]

The lady talking needs to do more research mf was a killa

[@MrMiD.Life.Crisis]

I reckon that some folks see ppl like Von as being in a gang war, like they're a type of soldier, so can't really be classified as serial killers - in a way comparable to Army, Navy and Air force who have multiple kills (over multiple wars, spread over months or years), aren't typically called serial killers.