Joe Rogan and Eric Weinstein Discuss IQ Tests

[@TalibKweli882]

who needs IQ when I have clockwork elves guiding me through the DMT realm

[@crusader1236]

When Alex Jones spoke about this, my jaw dropped. He was right about the elves. If You take a very specific amount, then you end up on their plain. Seeing is believing. It still freaks me out.

[@RKrk-jj2li]

Self-transforming Machine-like Elves, Bud! What are you, an amateur?

[@rBennich]

But have you ever tried DMT?

[@GamerTjagiz]

Talib Kweli you nailed it bro

[@phaedruslykos3249]

I see you too are a keen observer of the quantum field

[@FAQ4201]

Dam Jaime why you gotta do Eric dirty like that in the thumbnail?

[@scotlee1019]

Dudes fugly

[@JumbojayMK]

Again

[@kingneptunepurpler]

He looks like curly haired kid from Stanger things after taking years of deep psychedelics

[@stinkydill9511]

Lookz handsum 2 me!

[@vibrationalkeys3320]

kingneptunepurpler LOL'Ss cheers

[@claytonmoore6091]

"Say more" is a simple phrase that extends a massive amount of respect to the conversation

[@user-qs5zj7vh7j]

Just what I thought too haha😁

[@magicxxrjxx536]

And it was pleasant to hear lol, idk why but it is

[@apacheslim]

What a corny statement. Wow you guys are so intellectual!

[@whatisthisthing7465]

@Hannu Kumpula k

[@user-qs5zj7vh7j]

apacheslim 😂

[@MrOkadaman28]

Nigerians who make it to the US are normally in the top 5%, mostly middle class and university graduates - they aren't really representative of the wider Nigerian population.

[@bbqR0ADK1LL]

Asian Americans are often smart & successful, but that's largely affected by immigration policies over the past decades. America wasn't exactly taking in the uneducated peasant farmers in large numbers. There are reasons for everything if you follow the data & don't just accept the first information you see.

[@dwindeyer]

Yes the immigration filter does make comparing groups interesting

[@MrOkadaman28]

@@dwindeyer Nigeria's GDP per capita is less than $2000, so very few Nigerians can actually afford the Visa processing fees, cost of plane tickets and money to support themselves in the US for a couple of months before they find their feet. Those who can are either highly educated, come from wealthy families or run successful businesses back home; a recipe for success.

[@MrOkadaman28]

@@bbqR0ADK1LL Precisely.

[@danielfoster9353]

@@MrOkadaman28 I don't agree with this line of reasoning. There's no evidence that people who occupy the top echelons of a society have inherent cognitive advantages over others. They may have accumulated wealth through war, political position or even athletics. Amassing wealth alone puts your children in strong positions to succeed via access to education, job opportunities, home-life stability etc. No matter the initial source of your wealth, your children will have advantages that'll allow them to become doctors, engineers and other professionals. Those same people will then have the money to buy visas. Measuring innate intelligence is an almost impossible practice in futility. There are too many variables that can't be controlled for.

[@Nnnnn636]

They took this vid down, changed the title, and now reuploaded it. The original title was called "Discuss race and IQ"

[@Nnnnn636]

@jay yep. I'm surprised my comment is still up

[@MrAsystole]

When the real truth hurts this uninformed idiotic society then it disrrupts the elites , and videos gets taken down

[@themac9677]

@@MrAsystole lol "the rule truth"

[@cheekytitaable]

KZbin censorship. China here we come 🙄

[@AmtopmConstruction]

So... who cares?? What’s your point? Lol

[@jackalackin2219]

My IQ is at the very top of the bell curve!

[@Joyboy0101]

@phone account Or referring to some compliments he received from Putin.

[@michealcherrington6531]

Your comment is pure genius however

[@petersellers9944]

Well, I'm in the top 90 percent myself.

[@Jack-Steel]

@phone account Imagine how it would go down if he tweeted his IQ was at the Far Right of the Bell Curve

[@Him.TheOneAndOnly]

To all the people calling Trump stupid. You don't have to like him, you don't have to agree with him, you could justifiably call him ignorant on some subjects (not unlike everyone else), or even call him evil, if you wish, but it is rather self evident that he is not stupid.

[@tendividedbysix4835]

I took an IQ test online and it told me I was a very smart boy. That's how I know it was a scam.

[@angelDanJonathan]

I hear this one's very accurate. Gifted people I know scored 130+. I scored like 115.

[@justbabes2685]

Hahaha

[@TheJimbo1791]

Loved this comment.

[@benjisisler]

I'm dead😂😂

[@quasi-intellecual3790]

Online iq tests aren’t real

[@marzman4]

This video originally called "the problem with race and iq" and it got reported most likely

[@dennisthemenace855]

Yeah by sensitive racist douche bags

[@fitch9782]

I thought it was something like "is there anything to race and iq?" when I saw it

[@ryansylvan9277]

Yeah. Saw it the other day and then poof it was gone .

[@stevefavela9179]

I was watching it yesterday when it suddenly paused and when I refreshed the page it was gone

[@matthewhorizon6050]

Yup, I sent it to a friend and he said it was taken down. Same content, so it must be the "insensitive title."

[@saucyjk6453]

Why is it that the people who are so ready to embrace positive stereotypes and abilities are so quick to dismiss the negative? Can't have one without the other.

[@wtfisditvoorbullshit]

Great question

[@klontjespap]

i guess that's why i have a soft spot for greek mythology, so much more relatable with their human vices, even their gods weren't without flaws and the early days of pyschology, the germans were very good at exploring the dark side of human nature aswell, without lettiing it get in the way of the positive sides kind of what makes good characters in stories too dumbing things down to just good and bad is a gross oversimplification that does not do the complexity of humans justice personallhy i feel worthless as a musician most the time, but people around me stick feathers up my ass over it, oh how subjective things can be lol

[@armando1611]

Saucy Jk stereotypes always have some form of truth to them in my opinion but basing our entire opinion on someone and essentially making up a life for someone simply based off their ethnicity, color, religion etc is a dangerous way of thinking that allows for hate and inequality to harbor.

[@saucyjk6453]

@shmokey shmokey exactly what i was thinking...lol...exact examples you gave...

[@zucc3039]

Because it is human nature to use factual evidence to force and justify an unmoral agenda. Claiming one race is intellectually inferior to another does not seem like a statement that holds the value of “equal”

[@sheepleslayer586]

The fact that *George Carlin* is still being talked about, makes me happy.

[@mistry6292]

A poor philosopher. Unfunny comedians. Only good for making people who thunk their smarter than the common people feel good about themselves because some hippy clown is pointing out the obvious.

[@jcruisioso5975]

I'm afraid he would hate this guy

[@Wordtoyamom]

I found his unwritten rules of the road piece to be fascinating

[@EMLand15]

Eric "I was sent home from school for drawing a 4 legged chicken" Weinstein

[@RhythmOfTomorrow]

I laughed so hard my stomach hurts

[@newman653]

Never confuse education for intelligence.

[@kshelaanofelaas1967]

I DON'T & HAVEN'T even before there was a Sheldon Cooper character on TBBT!😂

[@iamtheiconoclast3]

The only reason someone would try to censor this discussion is if they're afraid of the truth. Anyone who _actually_ believes there is no correlation between these two variables would obviously want the data gathered, the proof published and the matter discussed. So if I hear a woke person saying we can't talk about this, I can only conclude that they are pretty sure there are differences after all. Me, I doubt there's a difference in reality, but if there is, we should probably address it.

[@cjfoster5034]

if there is a difference, its a result of cultural indifferences. not race or genetics.

[@danzemacabre8899]

@@cjfoster5034 geography, and climate may affect the evolutionary process in different ways, just differently but not necessarily better.

[@cjfoster5034]

@@danzemacabre8899 im referring to the difference of metaphysical intelligence. not physical characteristics/intelligence which are prone to change through evolution. different geography, climate may impact what decisions and solutions are made through that intelligence, but the intelligence of a human is, more often than not, influenced by different circumstances detirmined by their culture/society not the climate.

[@nicholasn.2883]

If we do the science based on a shotty understanding and get what we feared, then we just put out a fire with gasoline. We need to understand what intelligence really is before we can progress this. So it’s going to be more debate or whatever till we get neurallinl in here

[@500dollarjapanesetoaster8]

@@cjfoster5034 I'd say economic as well as cultural. I'd venture that many who are simply poor won't do as well on avg. A test worded for modern lifestyles will make someone from older styles (hunter-gatherer or isolated farming) look stupid since they've had no exposure to those modern terms/ideas. And you can be smart with the things you need to know for your environment (at least to a degree), but one's ability to see patterns, imply relationships and take up new material easily is the sign of intelligence. Then again, I've seen a few PhD's who are great in their focus field, but gawd awful on so many other areas of life.

[@aarlekz9778]

Let's ask real questions. Is that a wig?

[@swagcandy2576]

Now i'm just picturing Joe Rogan trying and failing to be discrete with a wig and sunglasses on

[@Johnsal517]

Of course it isn't... your IQ is subpar.

[@brain0nfire]

That's a full bush

[@brianlauria]

Eric actually addressed this in his podcast. He says it makes him uncomfortable when people comment this way.

[@Franglaiso]

@@brianlauria so it's a wig then

[@Me-by8qi]

I don't care about IQ, other than how it can be used to improve the world. Ex. Does dividing people into groups of how fast they learn a positive thing or a negative thing? If you learn things quickly, should you be held back to the standards of people who learn much slower than you meaning you're wasting your time? If you learn things slower than others, should you be introduced to things at a pace that makes it impossible for you to keep up, resulting in your education being a waste of time where you'll learn to hate school? That's what IQ was made for. To improve the experience of all students. Not as a way to dehumanize anyone.

[@jonathanbeedell2883]

Dividing people into groups is almost always a bad idea

[@Me-by8qi]

Jonathan Beedell Only reality is the judge of that. So I don't say your concerns are unfounded, but if I were to reason with you, I'd ask you "What made you come to that conclusion?". But I don't think this is the forum for such a complex discussion. I could try to argue against your point. Any instance of dividing people into groups, there are many more divisions that come naturally, based on a multitude of characteristics that have no ill effects. But like what you were pointing out, it would not address the questions I am wondering about. - Would students fare better, if the speed of which they were presented with new material matched their ability to grasp it? - Is there a variability in aptitude and interest between different students? And lastly, the least important question: - Is IQ a the best way to assess aptitude for learning certain kinds of things? Which is only relevant to answer, because IQ is one of the things they talked about. If you want to know my thoughts on what would be the best, here they are: I probably think that choice would rather be the better method. Letting students choose what they want to study. If that is to learn a trade and start working at 15 or to spend all of their days studying mathematics or whatever attracts their interest. I do not believe that you can gain anything useful by forcing people to learn anything. You can only convince them that learning certain things is useful for the desires they want to realize.

[@iandiederen9349]

@@Me-by8qi i believe that the downside of the last bit you wrote is that you're going to have a tiny part of kids that are actively going to finish schools with the prerequisites that are required to get into a University. I believe that's what middle school is all about... The more intelligent kids receive more and complex information to process so the odds of them being able to complete higher education increases.

[@Me-by8qi]

Ian Diederen That's a valid concern, and one I have considered. It might be preferable if we weren't limited by the choices when you were young. But there's also a potential downside to not limiting yourself. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to specialize. There's also the arguments of wanting responsible citizens that know history and about the world etc. My concern is that forcing people to do things that they have not been convinced are useful for their aim is not conducive to producing self driven people with a love of learning.

[@iandiederen9349]

@@Me-by8qi i all honesty my view of IQ has been torn to shreds and how the education system is currently implemented does make me wonder about a lot of things you've adressed and the variables are immense. My perception of middle school was that the entire system was just to show you a bit of everything... I used to be a fan of a particular topic and i got straight 9/10's on every test or exam because i loved it. This was also in line what i decided to study after i graduated. The rest i really couldn't be bothered as long as i didn't fail the tests. In Amerika i believe they look at the entire point average to decide if you're allowed into college or not, which imo seems stupid that if you don't want to do something with math or history you're still going to have to get good Grades on that. Might be just 1 example of many but i can't really believe that you're going to let kids of certain age, let's say 12, decide that they're allowed to just do the stuff they want to do. When i was 12 i wanted to make video games, be a marine biologist and be a docter. I can't immagine kids teaching that to themselfs before the age 18, let alone having teachers available to guide them. Again, don't get me wrong, on the most part agree with your way of thinking! I'm just nitpicking and brainstorming about possible downsides. I haven't ever thought so much about education and the flaws of curreny society so my thoughts probably lack a lot of factors that should also be taking in condideration xd

[@bconni2]

when is was 11 years old everyone was under the impression i was an idiot, myself included...so the school had my mother take me to a child psychologist and do an IQ test...ironically, i scored pretty high, like 138...the school didn't believe it and made me take another one and i scored even higher, in the 140's...it turns out i just had a bad case of ADD, coupled with inept parenting and poor schooling...i definitely "slipped through the cracks" as far as my early education went

[@kkech1]

Wtf bro. Had to take a test too cuz i was a troublemaker as a kid. Same result 138. Inept parenting and poor schooling... Amen. :/

[@wajihbec1087]

How are you doing now regarding education?

[@wajihbec1087]

@Chopped Wood i wouldn't give THAT particular test much weight haha. Degree in maths and physics AND a PhD in CS? You gotta take another one mate you might be 120+ or smth.

[@bconni2]

@@wajihbec1087 ..no college....self educated...i enjoy reading

[@bconni2]

​@Chopped Wood ....you're a miracle

[@zeigbert1743]

I think The Bell Curve is quite convincing. You have to remember the difference between individuals is bigger than the difference between groups.

[@M.-.D]

Instead of a platform to further investigate and fix social issues, the book was condemned.

[@michealcherrington6531]

The relevant metric is "intergroup" difference is greater than intra-group. The difference between individuals ignores group entirely. So not pertinent to the SJW insanity. (Yes I fully realized we are "individuals" )

[@felipec]

Also, didn't The Bell Curve said something along the lines of "dumb people are simply unlucky and deserve dignity"? Weinstein said he didn't have the answer, but the answer is right there: treat all humans with dignity.

[@Chasstful]

Of course it is but you can't say it out loud.

[@wilmer89]

the book wasnt even mostly about race, it was about class

[@jesserobinson20]

I've never taken an IQ test but thanks to denial I'm a genius!

[@dwindeyer]

Same.. My IQ is anything I want it to be as long as I haven't taken a test

[@dovahkiin5098]

There is this good saying average iq people think that they are higher iq than average

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

No silly you have to be born into a rich family that hothouses you in preschool to be a genius!

[@noaholson7094]

That’s the move ive Been on

[@tuseroni6085]

"everything he lacks well he makes up in denial"

[@SFGW]

I identify as having a 260 IQ.

[@robertjohnson6108]

Really, I thought 160 was high.

[@AWES0MEDEFENDER]

Can you spawn me a cheeseburger and fries? Dm me for my coordinates, unless you already know them

[@greggrozdanis5737]

@@AWES0MEDEFENDER underrated comment

[@MagicBrianTricks]

Joe Rogan fans really are mouth breathers, fucking yikes

[@jacobr7964]

@@AWES0MEDEFENDER Of course he already knows your coordinates, dude has 260 IQ. He not only knows your coordinates in this dimensional probability matrix, he knows it in 1.27^38 additional matrices.

[@insiderinside1905]

JBP says "IQ is the most established fact in the social sciences" . I would love to "here" Eric and Jordan hash this out.

[@giseii]

Heer*

[@giseii]

@@benjaminsibson4265 r/whoosh

[@caspervanhelvoirt]

Was thinking about Jordan's views on this one. Curious indeed to hear their thoughts, but I think I'll have to go with Jordan's perspective hahaha

[@thelimey351]

On the subject of IQ Jordan Peterson knows a lot more - I don't think on that subject that Eric Weinstein could stand up to that.

[@PlutoTheGod]

Jeff Palmer well in the game of life it's all about money and considering Eric is worth 100m and went to Harvard with a low IQ while Jordan is worth 5 M.. I'm gonna say yes, IQ does not really mean shit. How can a test created by man himself measure the intellect of man anyways it just doesn't make sense.

[@veronicanow5360]

If the truth is damaging then it's damage we need to suffer, lies only lead to a worse world

[@haganbass7796]

Randy Pullum I think he was more saying ignorance is bliss

[@MCJOHNSON95]

Lead us randy

[@BWater-yq3jx]

2:57 "There are no bad words." Except for in the previous title of this video, apparently! 🙄

[@_danvasco]

Man of Tai Chi there were no bad words ɥnɹq

[@charlesmatthews7990]

That one Kid you hate, Daniel how you did that bro?

[@johnpliskin8759]

this title is much more accurate

[@watchthis12day]

You only posted half of the quote 🧐

[@cameronjones8641]

🤣🤣🤣👍🏼

[@neppy999]

Eric “I get low scores in IQ tests, so I don't believe them” Weinstein

[@colef5126]

@Christian Proust. Not relevant to your point, but the most dominant chess champion of his time was Paul Morphy (IQ of 190).

[@percyfitzwallace7784]

@@colef5126 totally not invested in the direct topic here, but always up-vote anything mentioning my hero morphy, who's my favorite answer to "best" chess player ever... also, tied for smartest american ever with claude shannon, imo

[@Vichedges]

@@DuncanKassel That's great, IQ isn't the be all/end all but if you took 100 successful people in fields like STEM I would imagine most of them would test high IQ wise. There are other factors but at the same time IQ is relevant. You're not going to find a physicist or a brain surgeon with an 80 IQ. People always have to tiptoe around the subject of IQ because races have different averages and no one wants to be accused of being a racist but it's a fact that as a whole races are better at some things and worse at others when compared to each other. You use CEOs as an example but the type of person who would want to be a CEO plays more into it than IQ IMO. Take something like the American Presidency the first basic requirement to be President is you have to want to be President in the first place and most people simply do not want the job. I would never want to have that much power and responsibility and scrutiny. I have a hard time understanding why anyone would. But people like George Bush prove you don't have to be all that smart to be President. Hell, Biden has early signs of dementia, can't even speak properly anymore without a teleprompter and there's a very good chance he'll be our next President. To be a CEO you first have to WANT to be a CEO which has nothing to do with IQ. People are drawn to positions of power by a number of personality traits. You mention mental illness etc but things like autism also play into success in certain fields. There have been many cases of people with autism who excel in their fields but have problems with other basic aspects of life.

[@BigOleHammer]

I have an IQ of 130. I’m also a complete and utter failure lol. At times it can be depressing because I’m just intelligent enough to know that I don’t know anything.

[@spinoza3673]

@thomas anderson That is not what he meant because he knows that is not low.

[@sergiomesquitarocha8018]

Political correctness bs.

[@sinavalaei3403]

Eric '' I haven't write the paper yet but I totally solved all the problems in physics I mean totally dude'' Weinstein

[@hochha]

@Blindi Wouldn't that be "written" but as Eric commented a whole lot of smart people can't spell.

[@JA-oo9qp]

Him starting off saying he hasn’t read the material but then contending to solve it is very telling

[@geraltofrivia9424]

Care to elaborate, please?

[@gamesandplanes3984]

Yep. He's all smoke and mirrors. Typical jewish manipulation shit.

[@positivehotdogs]

It's "wrote", dipshit.

[@viletruth2707]

Eric “I haven’t read the studies but I understand them” Weinstein

[@BlackElon1]

😂😂😂

[@YoungChunds]

All the academics know this and are scared shittless. Unless you're Nassim Taleb

[@matthewhorizon6050]

@John Drake you just went full drake.

[@cj-nyc2057]

John Drake yes 💯. Exactly !!!!!!!!

[@hvr8463]

@John Drake Scum? Just because his, seemingly compassionate approach towards a sensitive subject was not something you agreed with? Hmmm

[@bobbertknokno4090]

I know that Joe doesn't read these comments but this interview is a prime example of his mastery of communication.

[@tiroles]

I read.

[@KeithFail2]

I wish the Web was filled with this level of mature discussion. Makes my heart sing to hear complex ideas explored so clearly. Thank you.

[@Samson484]

The world would be such a great place. Lol

[@crowley3015]

I mean, its really not mature it's extremely ignorant. Please also explain how complex what they are talking about is.

[@jopo7996]

What does Rob Gronkowski's Jersey and Brendan Schaub's IQ have in common? 87

[@Michaelarvin71]

Gronks iq is lower

[@Football__Junkie]

Ditka said my IQ was zero

[@eriktruchinskas3747]

@@presence9745 arent we all technically....cause you know downs is that extra chromosome

[@johnbunceiii2668]

That's a really unfortunate still shot of Eric.

[@AtSignAlejandro]

Holy shit, honestly didn’t notice until I read this 😂

[@onbored9627]

Well, he's not as photogenic as his brother. He has the older brother look. Though I don't know if he is.

[@jimmiferfreddette8583]

😂 i cant stand Eric. It’s perfect

[@BWater-yq3jx]

4:15 "I'm not good at this, so it doesn't count!"

[@aezakmei]

The guy has a PhD in Mathematics from Harvard... I think he has a good point here. Remember that Richard Feynman's IQ was 125.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

@@aezakmei 125 IQ is still higher than 95% of the population! And I expect Feynman scored much higher in areas related to his field of expertise. Probably lost points on the language-based ones.

[@aezakmei]

@@BWater-yq3jx That's what people claim because they still want to believe in the validity of IQ tests. He was a kid at the time, before he studied hard. So he didn't have a field of expertise.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

Obviously talking about the field he eventually ended up in, and the types of thinking that relate to that. Which would have had a bias at an early age.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

@Your Favorite Sociologist I'm interested to hear more about this bouncer with a 200+ IQ 🤔 Link?

[@chriscarpenter5160]

They could not have picked a worse screenshot for Eric's face in the thumbnail

[@anubislee36]

"Say more." The best underused conversational tool.

[@MaNarchicDRAKE]

Kudos to Eric for saying he didn’t score high on certain IQ tests

[@aftermath4096]

he says that but there is just no way that's true, at least not compared to the average person

[@OfLastingThunder]

​@After Math it is true. I scored an average of 167 if I took out the tests that involved changing colors. I'm pretty badly colorblind so on those I scored quite low and my overall average dropped 30 points. So who knows exactly why he'd score lower, but it's definitely possible. Edit: IQ tests absolutely don't matter though, it's just an indicator you're capable or recognizing patterns and some critical thinking. I'm not a legendary scientist nor have I contributed the first thing to science, but I have incredible pattern memorization and short term memory. One of the ones I did the best on was the Simon Says style test and the word memory but the color wheels I did was absolutely abysmal. I think IQ is an indicator of ability to think, not how smart you actually are though.

[@aftermath4096]

@@OfLastingThunder Dude that's a stupid point, I'm obviously not talking about impairments. My point is that there is no way Eric wouldn't score high in the logic/deduction part of an IQ test.

[@OfLastingThunder]

@After Math Depends. Most IQ tests are entirely visual, not conceptual. So he could be really good at applying reasoning and deduction in real world scenarios, but not on an image that's mostly pattern recognition. IQ tests are mostly BS.

[@aftermath4096]

@@OfLastingThunder pattern recognition, bruh, mathematicians are literally professional pattern recognitionners

[@slippy1809]

I’ve never been interested in race or IQ. The only time I’ve been interested in race and IQ is when...

[@MisterCovek]

...they tell you there's nothing there.

[@saltydog8493]

I picked a doctor

[@mrigue56]

I don’t always drink Dos Equis, but when I do I prefer Dos Equis

[@Nswix]

You think about all the booming economies in sub-Saharan Africa

[@JM-ll6hd]

@rockster10101 whatever makes you feel better.

[@junacebedo888]

One group of people believe in child marriage. Studying the bad effects of Child getting married will lead to a phobic tendency?

[@Lonestar10443]

@Cynical Frenchface In that way whites are the most negatively looked upon race right now instead of having actually lower number of bad sides than any other race.

[@youredumbngl6756]

@@Lonestar10443 They said negative aspects of that culture; not negative aspects of that race. Where'd you get race out of that?

[@pizzaface.3000]

@@Lonestar10443 I'm astonished on how you pulled the victim and superiority card both based on race in one sentence

[@Lonestar10443]

@@pizzaface.3000 Because astonishingly both are true at this moment.

[@pizzaface.3000]

@@Lonestar10443 😬 sort your shit dude you're neither

[@diamondsolo]

The longest path around a discussion you could take. It was like looking when potatoes boil.

[@gamesandplanes3984]

Seriously. Why did I just watch two cowards try to out virtue signal each other. So sad.

[@-scrim]

Joe, if you want to speak about topics such as race and IQ, GET PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE TOPICS ON YOUR SHOW!

[@aezakmei]

So that he can stand in front of a guy who is gonna recite the research papers and not talk about philosophy of intelligence? Yeah right.

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

Savaged triggered alt-righter lol

What “expert” are you referring to? The one that backs up your beliefs?

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@NothingElseMattersJM "mentions science and data" "LOL, alt-right racist!"

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@ thats you people, no experts backs up that blacks are as intelligent

[@MCCABEWORLD]

My *IQ* is not human anymore I reached some kind of alien level

[@tkrenemnvagyok]

Iq measures intelligence not your worth as a human. You’re missing the point Eric!

[@MagicBrianTricks]

IQ tests measure IQ not intelligence

[@tkrenemnvagyok]

Morgan 1081 IQ means intelligence quotient but sure dude you are the expert!🤣

[@MagicBrianTricks]

@@tkrenemnvagyok What exactly is intelligence then and how do IQ tests measure it?

[@Jaigarful]

Did you even listen to what he said? He said the IQ test takes a very limited view of what we often perceive as intelligence. He mentions processing particularly, and IQ tests are heavy in that. Pattern recognition and 3D space manipulation plays a big part of IQ tests.

[@JohnDavidDunlap]

@@tkrenemnvagyok Just because the score in question is called "Intelligence Quotient" doesn't mean that it actually measures intelligence. To prove that IQ measures intelligence you would first have to define what intelligence is and that's something that we are currently unable to do.

[@Josh-rn1em]

IQ is seen as bad because differences in races. Until we can see the truth instead of feeling bad for people we can talk facts.

[@jonm7888]

There are no scientific facts that say one race is more intelligent than another. There isn't even scientific agreement on if general intelligence exists, and scientists say race is a social construct without biological meaning. Your beliefs are based on feelings or ignorance, not science.

[@DrArthurCGarp]

IQ is seen as bad because it's too standardised. As Joe pointed out there are different types of intelligence. Just because a heart surgeon is a brilliant man doesn't mean he posses the analytical skills of a drug dealer or the vocabulary of a rapper or the social skills of a politician. When you only look at IQ you miss out on "How can I learn from him and what can he learn from me?". That's the issue with just stating facts. Often if you just state facts you miss the context surrounding the facts.

[@DrArthurCGarp]

Did you delete that comment? I'm getting a notification for it but I don't see it?

[@Josh-rn1em]

@@DrArthurCGarp me? I didn't delete anything. Maybe somebody complained and it's censored perhaps. Honestly don't know

[@NothingElseMattersJM]

Josh Nim I think you have iq averages which have so many variable factors confused with intelligence lol

[@martynjames5963]

My school tests kids. It doesn't call them IQ tests but they are similar. From what I can see (15+ years of doing it), the results match what the kids can/cannot do in school. Useful for helping kids with what they need. Some low achievers in school do very well afterwards, many do not fare so well.

[@clarencekaant8005]

I truly believe some kids are late bloomers iq wise the same way some get tall or big later. Also diet, I'm much smarter now than in HS. Turns out I'm allergic to gluten and dairy and I don't handle fat well and that's what i ate all my life. I was a zombie in highschool, it absolutely affected my IQ how tf you supposed to have a high IQ whilst half asleep with no concentration or energy. Many many kids are in similar situations

[@KibyNykraft]

@@clarencekaant8005 Absolutely. When it comes to the fat ,that is because you were perhaps not eating the right animal fats but ate other fats plus the ones you were allergic to. Most people have horrible diets today, due to absolutely zero knowledge in biochemistry and the fastfood chains. Vegans growing in numbers just add to this problem. High carb like wheat/oats and sugars+ high vegetable intake of types like potatoes, peas + too much fried foods+ too much coffee and fruit juices = the worst possible combination (farthest away from the "paleo-lowcarb", which was the diet humans naturally evolved with). If people take too much of antibiotics this changes the natural intestinal bacteria environment and can be one of the major sources of ulcers and stommach disorders. Regarding meat types ,for most bloodtypes/lineages ,the cattle meat, whale, moose/deer and ptarmigan are healthier than pork and farm chicken. But only as boiled in water. There are several new science projects releasing these conclusions these years.

[@clarencekaant8005]

@@KibyNykraft i should have said about the fat, when i eat bacon or steak or whatever fat doesn't affect me negatively, the fat that was bad for me was chips (fries) and other fried things

[@umejiaku6]

I support IQ tests because I'm Nigerian. I'm not completely convinced, but I'm still going to support them and spread the word. What people believe is true is true. Gotta use that to my advantage.

[@OwnageProductions03]

What people believe is true is true? I don't think that's how science works.

[@Max-ik7lb]

It's not looking good for you tyrone xD

[@Max-ik7lb]

@ This

[@umejiaku6]

@@OwnageProductions03 Oh, societally it very much is. Empirically, no of course not.

[@umejiaku6]

@ Yup

[@ChrisBryer]

The issue is IQ functionally has alot of predictive power. Like, more so then any other concept that the soft sciences have developed.

[@DamazViccar]

Indeed. If one rejects the predictive power of IQ, might as well chuck all of psychology.

[@slvshy666]

Predicting what? Predicting wealth? Or quality of life?

[@fokusnikfm]

@@slvshy666 both

[@fokusnikfm]

@@slvshy666 occupation, quality of life, wealth, health and the perceived happiness

[@slvshy666]

@@fokusnikfm interesting thanks

[@brandonclark7867]

When Eric makes a hard point, his eyes move independently of each other.

[@JohnDavidDunlap]

I wish I was that open minded.

[@Alpha13733]

Great thumbnail pick for Eric Weinstein

[@joshwhite-pullerofstrings9518]

Hes about as stupid as he looks in that thumbnail

[@realhumanbean7945]

Good luck finding a good pic of a jew

[@Viriyascybin]

Real Human Bean racist

[@realhumanbean7945]

@@Viriyascybin Jews aren't a race. It's a religion. Jews are White and I'm White.

[@Wyatt-z3d]

Being racist has been normal for as long as there have been animals

[@Wyatt-z3d]

Did the differences between races not exist until recently?

[@Wyatt-z3d]

It is used as a weapon against people whose society is being overrun by out groups. Are the chinese, koreans, Japanese not racist? They will be when millions of Africans and arabs flood their countries and start making demands under threat of violence

[@kshelaanofelaas1967]

So Much gods pinnacle of creation

[@seanabbins5481]

They both say they don't care that much about this subject. Why wouldn't anybody be interested in this? It is a fascinating subject. I suspect that they shy away from it, not because it's not interesting, but because it's controversial.

[@bigpoppybrain2314]

They literally address that’s it’s controversial and address this subject. Did you even watch the video?

[@stuflikethis]

I think they mean to say that now is guilty of doublespeak Say one thing and do another. In this case for the purpose of being able to claim later that he isnt racist

[@luv2stack]

"Let's imagine that males and females are equally intelligent. Okay?" Joe: "Can I say LOL?"

[@ThreeDaysOfDan]

females are smarter than men on average =p but men have a larger bell curve .. so averages are stupid metrics

[@schlomoshekelstein908]

@@ThreeDaysOfDan show me the IQ studies. men have a wider curve, i.e there's more retards and geniuses. on average men have higher IQ though lol. show me your source

[@bffr825]

@@schlomoshekelstein908 The "average" IQ does not differ greatly between males and females and I think what they are trying to suggest is that if you pick out a random female and a random male from a population of people there is a higher probability that the female will be somewhere around the average line in terms of IQ while with males, due to the greater width of the bell curve that probability is less evident and the chances of picking out and outlier are greater

[@Bill-zp2mt]

@@ThreeDaysOfDan IQ has fallen for men the last 30 year, at least in Norway. School and society is focusing on women to succeed, while men are becoming hikikomori all around the globe. Equality is not good goal if is at the detriment of our society.

[@Twizzzums]

Schlomo Shekelstein that’s true actually, men and women have the same average score but women have a steady curve that bottoms out at low and high IQ’s while men top off at high and low IQ’s. In other words most women you meet will be the same while the dumbest and smartest people you’ll meet are men. But of course there are a few outliers. We studied this in my psych class I hated it but I always think about it.

[@madorsey077]

That pic of Weinstein, “duh, what’s an IQ Joe?”

[@ferdinandbethea3777]

The issue is compassion for ourselves and others!!! Spot on!!!! Love your neighbor as you love yourself!!!

[@jakeingersoll8464]

They're not saying anything! Eric starts to lay out a large complicated idea, and Joe interrupts him while completely missing the point.

[@soundinsight1076]

That the joe rogan experience for you.

[@NittyGritty508]

thaattts joey

[@truthsayer0974]

Joe needs to stfu more when eric is speaking. Joe interrupts eric more than any other guest

[@MrMrbrianbechtel]

He interrupts because this guy is full of shit... And Joe is smelling the shit...

[@DrArthurCGarp]

@@MrMrbrianbechtel How is he full of shit? They both seem to be adding to the discussion. Both agree there are different types of intelligence and they're just mounting their beliefs

[@K2ThaPhukkinC]

They used the most cross-eyed picture of Eric Weinstein for the thumbnail of a video discussion of IQ Tests. 😂

[@SmigGames]

I see the spelling thing as more of a skill that you hone and not a problem with information processing. It's like making your signals. I never fail signalling right leaving a roundabout. From my observations, most people fail at signaling the exit. Is it because I process information better? No. I failed a lot too until I decided to train myself not to, so I started a process where I paid extra attention in that circumstance, even forcing myself to signal when it wasn't necessary, because there was no one else around. At some point it crossed a threshold where it became automatic, and I never failed since. I don't even have to think about it anymore. Typing correctly is the same kind of thing.

[@SmigGames]

@To Err is Huma You need better reading skills, but that may be useless advice depending on how much you believe that can be improved with practice. You might be a lost cause.

[@immanuelcunt7296]

All that means is that you weren't intelligent enough to be able to do it without training yourself.

[@SmigGames]

@@immanuelcunt7296 That doesn't make sense. To do it reliably you need "muscle memory". That has nothing to do with IQ. It's like a martial art. You don't get to perform a triangle choke fast and reliably every single time without drilling, no matter how high your IQ is.

[@deliziondelacruz7828]

Spelling is weird I can spell a word right and just think it looks wrong and the more I think about it the less confident I am that I spelt it right even tho I do know the correct spelling

[@bornfree8073]

Pretty well a rant about how iq test suck because said individuals took it and scored lowly.

[@allistairneil8968]

born free lowly? Obviously you score pretty LOW.

[@_VISION.]

what score did they get?

[@zankaizankai]

I bet your only measure of self-worth comes from some online IQ test, while having accomplished nothing. We know you can have a high IQ, and believe in a sky wizard. We already know it's a poor proxy.

[@LOREHAMMERLIBRARY]

Get Edward Dutton on to talk about genetics

[@davidbudo5551]

Yes! And Michael A. Woodley. His work revolves around molecular genetics.

[@aecnqewimnazxclwdxl]

Have you ever noticed that whenever a discussion of IQ occurs online, it almost NEVER involves a psychologist who has actually administered IQ tests? It's like watching discussions of plumbing that almost never involve plumbers.

[@aecnqewimnazxclwdxl]

@Sam Yaza ADHD still isn't diagnosed using physiological or biological markers. But neither are many medical conditions, even to this day. This is a long story, but don't assume behavioral measures are somehow less "real" because they don't show up in a laboratory test of some sort. Conversely, don't assume that laboratory tests are showing you something real just because there are numbers attached (e.g., IQ tests).

[@nicholasn.2883]

That’s literally all of psychology. We don’t get the human brain at all. It’s like trying to analyze a computer with the understanding that it makes pretty colors on the screen and has transistors.

[@willou901]

@@nicholasn.2883 untrue.

[@nicholasn.2883]

@@willou901 I don't even know what I was saying. Sure

[@HolyWarrior1]

Financial product that transfers wealth from late life to early life- that’s called debt.

[@notbrad4873]

Eric makes good points about the value of IQ. IMO the problem is IQ is worshipped, but high IQ comes with it's own problems, such as mental instability and a seperation from reality (see 'academics'). Intellect worships itself esp when paired with physical inferiority, so high IQ individuals will always have a superiority complex and an ability to climb heirarchies to enforce that self-aggrandizing world view. Intelligence requires but often lacks pairing with wisdom to moderate its destructive potential. Religion got this one right: Satan is characterized as a self-aggrandizing intellectual who would accept to have no equal.

[@donaldbiden9492]

IQ is just a metric. Intelligence level is relative to the person and the subject in question.

[@JM-co6rf]

Something about Eric's way of speaking tells me he's not trying to get to a point...he likes driving you around and telling you "we're almost there."

[@nedhill1242]

He is the exact opposite of his brother. Eric is narcissistic arrogant combative and an all-around know it all. Women in general don’t do well in the corporate environment because the corporate environment is extremely competitive, doggy eat dog, and confrontational. Women don’t like conflict and competition. Women however are very good at running and building small businesses. Because they love teamwork. They love consensus.

[@garthowen8292]

I thought Joes point about saying there are many people who score badly on IQ tests who are clearly intelligent, but he hasn't met many people who score well on IQ tests who can't demonstrate intelligence very interesting. It does risk what I suppose you would call call proxy bias, where an indicator is seen as an absolute. But it does suggest they do at least act as an indicator. Regardless I do think IQ tests focus far too much on Mathmatical/Computational prowess and certainly affected my own ideas of what constituted intelligence growing up.

[@michaels4255]

It also suggests that Joe's subjective perceptions of intelligence constitute a more accurate measure of intelligence than objective testing. I question that.

[@hamyantti]

Ismo Leikola could be Finnish comedian who performer in Comedy Store.

[@mgh62000]

I highly doubt that Eric Weinstein doesn't score well on standardized tests. He went to Harvard for grad school, in math no less.

[@inxiti]

I believe it...

[@benjaminsibson4265]

Tarzan nope. You’re stupid

[@real_john_doe]

@Lirst Fast, it might be a matter of perspective for him. He may interpret a 140 on an IQ test as a poor score in his case.

[@5O4evr]

Harvard is just a Jewish University for Jews

[@geinikan1kan]

great discussion. Great that Rogan lets his guest speak, because such a topic is a bit more tricky than "reality."

[@kanesmillie40]

Weinstein loves the sound of his own voice

[@geinikan1kan]

​@@kanesmillie40 a bit too much.

[@abeidiot]

There is already a difference in IQ due to nutrition among the affluent and poor nations and their dominant races. Eradicating malnutrition has been one of the largest boosters of average sample iq of several nations

[@nicholasn.2883]

Nutrition sure, but what about factors on the day of testing. What if poorer people come in hungry and score less as a result?

[@salman-11924]

@@nicholasn.2883 You'd get those errors in individual cases, but with large enough sample, those errors cancel out. Also, the score difference due to those errors can only get so big. True IQ is probabily within +-5 points of the result one gets

[@gamesandplanes3984]

Incorrect. That's actually one of the smallest components.

[@Mashterpz]

Y’all messy with that thumbnail😭😂

[@Balafoutre]

Such a creative dialogue!!! I am really fond of Eric's thought process!!!

[@cthulhucat9936]

The Bell Curve answered this almost 2 decades ago

[@cthulhucat9936]

@GAMEHUB It hasn't been discredited. Sorry you can't accept reality

[@nixonesport1998]

@GAMEHUB No it hasn't. They just dismiss it as racist because they can't accept the obvious truth

[@Graeberwave]

Lmao and then it got falsified boy don’t let the receipts rain on you lmaooo

[@cthulhucat9936]

@GAMEHUB *too

[@cthulhucat9936]

@GAMEHUB name one valid scientific source that discredits The Bell Curve. I'll wait

[@cedarshoals529]

Ive done well on multiple IQ tests. I dont consider myself to have high intelligence but Im smart enough to realize that people who have tested lower than me, are actually more intelligent than me. I believe IQ tests are a good barometer in macro, but dont do much to indicate intelligence of an individual. Ive seen illiterate people that are much smarter than some college grads. Doing well on an IQ test proves one thing...that you are good at test taking.

[@immanuelcunt7296]

So your evidence that IQ doesn't correlate with intelligence is that you've observed that education doesn't always correlate with intelligence? Those are completely unrelated claims with absolutely zero logical connection. You're a complete fucking idiot. If IQ test scores only test your ability to take a test, then IQ wouldnt negatively predict driver safety, or job performance, or life success, or income, or a myriad of other things. Doing well on an IQ test means you have the skills to do well on the questions that are present on IQ tests. And the questions on IQ tests are designed to require intelligence. Ergo, doing well on an IQ test means you're intelligent. You have zero logic or evidence behind your claims, stop lying.

[@richardudvardi3174]

I think you missed the point of what an iq test is but thanks for participating. The whole point is to test inherent mental abilities not things you have learned.

[@plyjhny]

The trouble with that is they do a terrible job at testing inherrent abilities. IQ test often involve verbal reasoning, and mathamatical reasoning. This can be imporved in school. I think you missed the point of the entire debate@@richardudvardi3174

[@dacelooper]

"We are all souls, we have to figure out dignity, and we have to figure out some system by which we can live with this increased level of knowledge" I couldn't agree more! The data will grow, it's unstoppable. And as it reveals our differences we need to have a plan to prevent repeating the prejudices of the past.

[@christiansantiago3426]

None of this addresses the elephant in the room. Blacks are consistently at the bottom of testing compared to other groups. Nigerians are an exception that doesn't negate the generality.

[@ryanhughes1101]

What’s the confusion with these tests always? Why is there ALWAYS some qualifier by a person discussing it that “there’s some people that absolutely blow me away who scored low on an IQ test”?

[@MajorDeadline]

I’m getting dumber. Watching this . I was expecting some more real fact not opinion. I’m not high enough .

[@collin1253]

😂

[@rogerc23]

Eric Weinstein is going to end up in the same place that anyone ends up when they delve into this topic deeply, and he is very afraid of getting there because he knows very intelligent people around him have seen the same conclusions. There are many identifiable traits and racial characteristics that can be defined. In fact, a simple dna test can identify your race. And once you can do that you can measure said IQ spectrum of that race and compare it to the other races. And this has been going on for 130 years and is quite clear where races and cultures stand. Now is IQ every measure of intelligence, no. Is every Japanese smarter than ever black, no. Is their a wide spread of IQ across Asian cultures, yes Does this still get really complicated. Yup.

[@rogerc23]

@Gamercatsz. I can see you have zero knowledge of the subject of race and IQ and even less about IQ in general. IQ doesnt simply come down to nutrition or environmental factors. As much as 80% of it may be genetic. Btw calling me a racist for discussing this would be comical if not so absurd. Discussing this topic and investigation of it no more makes me a racist then studying medicine makes me hate medicine. I may be a semi intellectua but I never claimed to be the worlds expert in this category. It’s great to know that you are. I’d be happy to hear about all your academic credentials as they must be extensive. List away. Ask yourself this, are certain characteristics more prevalent in one race then others. For example: 1 medical conditions that affect one race more than others? 2. Genetic conditions that affect one race more than others. 3. Can these various conditions be linked and identified back to race? What you find is that yes there are many. In fact it actually goes to our genetics and dna structure so much so that race is genetically defined and can be marked. This is well proven and you can easily get a dna test for it. Said test can even help you discover predispositions to medical conditions and address them, like Angelia Jolie getting her breasts removed to avoid breast cancer. Also it’s important to note a lot of the studies aren’t just looking at groups in the USA but across the globe.

[@rogerc23]

@Miss Tang. No that is unevolved thinking. If you think you have the human body, genetics, blood flood, the brain and all it’s worjijg with nutrition figured out and it’s not complicated than right a book, you’ll be a trillionaire. Because no one has figured it out yet. The whole point of this argument is that despite a group experincing certain traits more commonly. It doesn’t mean every person in that group displays that trait. Which is why judging the individual rather than the race is even more important. It’s simple minds that think we should discriminate based on these ‘finding’ and data because that is what simple minds do.

[@Vichedges]

You can't talk facts when it comes to IQ. Not PC and nobody wants to be labelled a racist. So no matter what the data shows you have to pretend every race is exactly the same and equal in every way.

[@kal2352]

People are incredibly adaptable. I can say that Asians generally focus on and cherish intelligence above all else. It's almost as if when a group of people work towards a certain goal that over time they become better at it.

[@ascensionblade]

I believe there was a study to that effect published in the research journal "Duh." 😁 I completely agree with you. It's a shame that it needs to be said

[@ricksantos1580]

@@joonerboi I does but in the last 30 years there lots of emotion and bling pushed on society to ensure the less informed masses are coddled and no feelings are hurt.... Even East Asia you can see things are slowly changing with the *pop start global culture*

[@davyroger3773]

@@joonerboi we were not raised on Confucius

[@juliorosa9857]

I score really high on Emotional Intelligence tests, because I am very good at pretending that I care.

[@pavlovsworld9122]

So different looking people who've grown in different places may actually think differently.. That seems obvious

[@Cam-lt9nv]

Unfortunately Eric doesn’t understand IQ very well. IQ is a measure of ability to think abstractly. It has been well established in the social sciences for 50 years.

[@1fattyfatman]

Social sciences aren’t sciences bro.

[@RLSteve]

Eric has a fake humility. He graduated from Harvard, he mist have had a higher SAT score.

[@Russell88]

@@1fattyfatman Any field that applies the scientific method to conduct research to expand knowledge is science. Maybe not a pure science like Chemistry and Physics, perhaps politicized and corrupted in certain areas, but a science nonetheless.

[@the_golden_bough8541]

Thumbs up solely for Eric receiving an off the cuff comment from Joe about chernobyl chicken and within 1 second flipping it into Chicken Kiev. And not 5 minutes after saying he has limited processing.

[@rainerbogle1958]

The book "the bell curve" is not about "race & IQ". There is a small chapter that also treats that, but mainly it is about the differences between the top and bottom FOR ALL PEOPLE, ALL GROUPs. The trouble with IQ is that it is about being fast at learning things and combining ideas together into new thing. In practice this means that people at the top get fast onto the top of the hierarchy in society. This can be good if they create things that are available to everyone and we all win, but it might also lead to great differences in wealth and access to opportunities. We on one hand want to find those people and let them create great things benefiting society, and on the other hand we are worried that very nice people might be left behind. The great thing about IQ is that it really just measures this speed of knowledge acquisition and combination, it does not measure how nice you are. We can have both, let the high IQ people create benefits for society and take care of those who did not win this lottery. Only those people who are troubled by the existence of competence hierarchies really have a problem with IQ that cannot be dealt with.

[@allen_chu]

anyone else notice Eric crosses his eyes when he thinks hard. 11:53

[@WPPatriot]

I love how says he isn't great at processing and follows that up by catching the chicken Kiev joke that Joe didn't even know he made 😂

[@xGaLoSx]

If there truly was no correlation between race and IQ it wouldn't be such a contentious topic. The fact that just having this conversation puts your career in jeopardy tells me there is something they're trying really hard to hide.

[@scenopiachannel]

A lot of people make money off of the blank slate.

[@za-ir5ni]

Or you know, the only people putting forth this pseudoscience are racists.

[@magnus1parvus]

@Blokka Nokka Um, you're right. A statistically verifiable difference between IQ and temperament between the races would prove racism has scientific validity. Just like saying the only ones who challenge the literal interpretation of the Bible are heretics, because it validates their heretical views!

[@xGaLoSx]

@@za-ir5ni it's not really pseudoscience, there's a century of IQ data and it is pretty clear. I don't see progressives offering data to support their position. Where's the century of IQ data showing no correlation between race and IQ?

[@themac9677]

@@FlakkaFlay I think you have to take into account that IQ test aren't the necessarily measuring intelligence but the ability to recognise patterns. You also have to be able to accurately define race which isn't something that's easily done. If you're using physical metrics such as skull shape, hair texture, or skin color to determine race, then why are we only using those physical metrics to classify races? Why aren't tall people considered to be a race? Why aren't people with large feet or or deeper voices considered a separate race? What humans define as race may not necessarily align with nature's definition.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

Within an IQ test, various types of intelligence are tested for. Most people would do better in some areas than others, but may get a similar overall IQ result. There is also a 'culture fair' version, which doesn't require Western education to do well in. IQ tests are a consistently accurate way of measuring intelligence; you just need to realise that's not the be all & end all for someone's abilities. So you have areas like creativity, where inspiration and all kinds of factors that are hard to quantify, come into play. Or simple drive, determination and courage, which have a huge effect on successful outcomes. Probably the greatest. These are different things. IQ tests measure intelligence - they don't need to cover all human attributes!!

[@CarlosCMTF]

Yes but what are you defining exactly as intelligence? Because all the attributes that you mentioned that are hard to quantify and so presumably outside if the IQ testing capabilities can themselves be important features of intelligence! So what is it exactly? Is intelligence what IQ tells you it is? Because , to me, the only thing that the IQ tests really measure is an individual's ability to perform IQ tests and just that, nothing more.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

@@CarlosCMTF reasoning and problem-solving.

[@robichard]

Well said.

[@zadeh79]

No such thing as 'culture fair' intelligence. Some cultures are all about book-smarts, not IQ - even if IQ is vague proxy for book smarts. Other cultures value artistic creativity. Yet other's emphasize the ability to think fluently in a linear fashion - which is the basis for IQ tests - which are more like a glorified short-term memory tests.

[@JimBob1937]

​@@zadeh79 , a proper (fluid intelligence) IQ test should not test your knowledge, for fluid intelligence, which is what most mean when they talk about IQ. Hence why there are indeed more fair tests for identifying this measurement that don't rely on aspects with a cultural bias. A lot of IQ tests are proxies for actual IQ tests, if test A has a high correlation with scores for B IQ test, it is considered a good proxy. However, some of these proxies have cultural bias aspects to them. An extreme example is a proxy test not in your native language. "Yet other's emphasize the ability to think fluently in a linear fashion - which is the basis for IQ tests" Have you seen a proper IQ test? I've seen this reasoning used to try to put down many things, like "the educated only learn to think linearly." However, this couldn't be further from reality. The actual definition of intelligence per the APA is: "the ability to derive information, learn from experience, adapt to the environment, understand, and correctly utilize thought and reason." Which most certainly does not favor linear thinking. Linear thinking can be useful, like, Problem A has been solved and Problem B is similar so solution to A is very likely to apply to B (with minor differences). This is an efficient problem solving method. However, adaption is a large part of intelligence and when a new solution has to be found you'll find the more intelligent are also the more creative with the problem solving... as that is part of the definition of intelligence. So, it is actually the exact opposite of your statement.

[@angelusumbra5741]

That's one of the greatest points I've ever heard, about spelling ability being a mark of intelligence. When one is taking part in a typed debate, one usually is racing to get one's answers out quickly, and so one could make spelling errors, including mistakes one would never otherwise make, because of the rush to respond. Joe pointed that out. His guest pointed out another huge fact about spelling, and how many brilliant people have been poor at spelling. Albert Einstein was an example of this. I don't think anyone can make a reasonable point about him not being intelligent. Finally, I want to add a somewhat related fact to this, and that is that quality of penmanship isn't a good sign of a presence or lack of intelligence either. Many brilliant people write as neatly as the average first grader, or even a kindergartener. Also when one is writing fast, it tends to make one's written work more sloppy. So that sorta ties into what these two were talking about.

[@khimaros]

Very late to the party but just wanted to say, I work in engineering, surrounded by genius' and not one of them can spell to save their life.

[@brandondrew4914]

This is a fantastic point. Einstein never passed high school because of his poor spelling etc. I administrate an astrophysics forum of a half million people and one thing we don't allow is the spelling police. If you can spell good enough to convey an intelligent argument that should be enough.

[@brandondrew4914]

Besides that I type so fast I make phones and computers lag within two sentences and it jumbles the letters not because of my errors but because of the jumbled coding. I even notice patterns and have learned how to recreate them using combinations of letters.

[@brandondrew4914]

Lorentz might be able to make a reasonable point about Einstein being unintelligent considering he's the one that solved his equation. I'm just being funny don't mind me lol.

[@kuziokundera]

Someone said it in an earlier post, but no one is more impressed with Eric Weinstein’s genius than Eric Weinstein. LOL And what’s up with the “Say More” affectation?

[@Vichedges]

Yeah, I've only ever seen him on Joe's show but I've never been overly impressed by him. I'm sure he's a smart guy but he seems to be lacking in common sense a lot of the time and, just like everyone else, he can't see past his own biases.

[@yasminegomez5862]

@@Vichedges I'm glad it's not just me. Saw him in lex friedman's podcast and now here, and he seems to have a huge ego. I'm sure he's smart but sometimes really smart people believe every opinion they have is the whole truth even if they just pulled it out of their arse.

[@trevor5834]

IQ is a good indicator of intelligence, but there is obviously metrics of "intelligence" that any standardized test would have a hard time quantifying. There are tons of people out there with average or below average IQs that have high intelligence within a small niche. We tend to want to group our entire being around the single IQ number.

[@scenopiachannel]

This is not true. Standardized tests are a battery of tests that measure the fundamental modules of intelligence. Most people's modules seem to correlate strongly, only rare cases of savant autists test low on average yet excel in one attribute.

[@codediporpal]

@@scenopiachannel So long as the "modules" can be readily measured on a standardized test.

[@realhumanbean7945]

Find me a surgeon with a 70 IQ and a real degree from a Western country and we'll talk.

[@patrickhenry6695]

@@realhumanbean7945 THIS

[@notlookinforahug]

If you have to STUDY for a test how can it be an independent measure of anything??????? So fucking stupid

[@JamesFuston]

Super flattering pic of Eric in the thumbnail lol

[@Sebastiantheli0n]

I said it once and I'll say it one more time Bob from that 70's show

[@eddylifts3675]

Sebthespooky W 😂

[@soonfajsk8787]

Lmfaoooo underrated comment

[@bbart25]

Ha ha ha YES!! I was looking at this dude and thinking he looks so familiar and now it all makes sense!

[@kevinpflug5846]

This guy is smart. Compassion and human dignity are important. Happy to hear someone talking about them.

[@mikescorpio13]

But no blind compassion because not every human being deserve dignity and compassion

[@corwinbabbington9793]

Gotta love when Joe has people speaking right over his head

[@toadymoady5876]

1:30 - 1:36 Eric Weinstein "I have never been interested in race and IQ, The only time i became interested in race and IQ..." haha

[@chrisp2481]

Toady Moady beat me to it

[@benjaminconlin2676]

It’s actually an interesting reasoning behind it if you listened to what he said. He only became interested when someone said there was no reason to be interested. He called bs on the theory and it’s kind of badass

[@toadymoady5876]

@@benjaminconlin2676 I have never listened to his reasoning, the only time I listened to his reasoning...

[@joebrady9575]

To scared too say the obvious

[@ericb3186]

I couldn’t believe he said that but in listening he’s really not interested in race and IQ ... he’s more interested in the people who are interested in insisting there’s no difference.

[@carteryoung3986]

I found this a bit disturbing as I've always really admired Eric. I was once on the left too, but I think equating Antifa and the Proud Boys, claiming they are both 'extremists' and equally unappealing is misleading for those who don't know the two groups. The supposed 'right wingers' are more just patriotic people who think the Left has it in for the country they love. They have no real agenda, as do the subversive, resentment filled Antifa folk. If Eric looked closer, he'd know this. He doesn't want to look closer because he wants to stay in the middle.'

[@marcshunky1681]

Rogan nailed it. This is a greasy topic. Oily feeling is my intuition saying this topic cant be had without hurting myself and all those who engage with it. Wish these topics could be ignored but that is the reason our society is so broken on this subject.

[@iamtheiconoclast3]

But wishing they can be ignored is not helpful. IQ correlates with income, and income correlates with quality of life. If we found that in reality IQ also correlates with ethnicity, then that means there are going to be structural issues in society that we cannot fix, and injustices we cannot repair, without dealing with the issue, and in order to deal with it we need to study it, and talk about it. And on the other hand if ethnicity _doesn't_ correlate with IQ, then by studying it and talking about it we put the proof out in the open, put the issue to bed and drive a spike through the arguments of white nationalists. Either way it's a good thing to talk about it; we only feel gross doing so because we've been indoctrinated by wokeism to believe that the truth might be ugly and the solution to that is to lie.

[@redlightclinicdrummer]

People are always arguing over creativity and IQ. We should call it by a musical term which is metric modulation. Creativity is just how good you are working with that thing you have practiced. IQ isn't about expression it's about progress. Will power and personality types relate to this same discussion. IQ should be ran against what you do with it.

[@nixonesport1998]

Whites are the most creative race

[@redlightclinicdrummer]

@ADRV first off thanks for replying lol i like the chat! I smoke as much weed as joe so forgive the confusion. But actually theoretically you can practice creativity. Meditation has proven to help imrpove peoples skill at many subjects by visualizing doing it. Doesn't mean you immediately improve every area but specifically the motor output if that makes since

[@redlightclinicdrummer]

@ADRV but as a musician (drums are my life when I don't cook) and I can guarantee that not practicing or not being creative and pushing at your threshold for improvement for sure shows. But the big thing about this topic to me especially when music is made in connection is that I think its all the same in terms of its health effects. So many studies are showing the benefits of drumming and all the crazy shit it does. Like many other activities drumming helps your brains grey matter, and also puts you in different brain waves. I think there is a connection between aesethic and a healthy nation.

[@hereigoagain5050]

Jean Piaget, a developmental psychologist, created IQ test to identify children who lagged in education despite having a normal cognitive skills. It is an individual measure, not a group measure.

[@geinikan1kan]

good to know. Unfortunately, it's used in the US for streaming children from Kindergarten.

[@EverythingisGoodieBud]

Okay so not only did Jean Piaget not create the IQ test, the test he worked on, the Binet-Simon test, was entirely verbal. Also it was made in 1905. And specifically to identify mental disability, not measure intelligence. Aside from all that, IQ test scores in different groups are highly correlated with which group you are in, to a measure of around ~5 point average. I don’t know where you got your information but it’s blatantly wrong and doesn’t even apply to modern IQ tests.

[@shinyscrotum94]

You're incredibly full of shit.

[@ColGAFilms]

I like the leather apron clubs analysis on the IQ tests

[@MajorDeadline]

Four legged chicken. On paper . Is simply a chicken running .

[@TheMikeBailey18]

Or a Chernobyl Chicken

[@bobmarley-ml7wn]

@@TheMikeBailey18 Chicken Kiev!

[@redwood-in-stereo]

Jeez, this is painful to watch.

[@josefranciscodasilvaeolive674]

Adam Young My feeling as well...

[@jzhang8956]

Adam Young why

[@MeanBeanComedy]

@@jzhang8956 yeah, why?

[@kay_eff]

I found it too. Eric tries to articulate his thoughts with too much unnecessary jargon and the message is lost/we lose interest. When Joe breaks it down to English we can understand, like a good communicator. The concepts aren't that complicated. They're not being communicated effectively by Eric, ironically, it takes a higher IQ to achieve this...

[@lightningsoulde]

Modern IQ tests are basically logic tests. If you score high, you're basically Vulcan - not neccessarily super smart but you got the basic logic straight. Complete the line: 1, 3, 5, 9, 11, 13, 17 ...

[@Thallod]

Eric "Bullies Can't Realize I'm Super Smrt" Weinstein