Joe Rogan & Dr. Ben Goertzel - The Fear Around Artificial Intelligence

Taken from Joe Rogan Experience #1211:
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[@Ionization2020]

The fact that most of the comments are on Ben's appearance rather than his comments confirms our doom as a species.

[@chamal75]

Exactly! That is why they're so concerned with AI. Dude, look at that 25$ Raspberry pAI! It's smarter than me! Like the guy said, AI is inevitable just like atomic physics was, another opportunity for self annihilation. I'm not scared and I'm not a beting man, but I'm almost certain that we humans are going to fuck the whole thing up by ourselves without the help of AI. In fact, AI might be the only way to prevent it. Thanks Joe Rogan for some awesome interviews!

[@partyhardcake]

tfw too intelligent

[@johnLennon255]

Damn aren't you smart. Hey everybody let's bow down to this dude hes really smart.

[@damilolaemmanuel5210]

Oh hail ionization2020 his human intelligence will not be surpassed by artificial intelligence believe it!!

[@brandonmehrg]

Yup.

[@harryjames7441]

This guy sounds so fucking wise and so fucking high at the same time. I LOVE IT

[@danarud3471]

Play it at 1.5x and he talks normal

[@jakesnacks1149]

Rarely do accomplished successful people smoke weed all the time

[@mycustomhunt5913]

Slash is one smart dude

[@tonyfergusonthetypeofguy431]

MyCustomHunt ahaha

[@RolandSpecialSauce]

😂😂

[@danruth1089]

@@RolandSpecialSauce I was gonna say the same thing. Like how we're not connected or conscious (an earlier discussion between Sophia and Han) because or what Joe said in respect to tissue and ''marriage'' of carbon-tissue. Here's some "SLASH" for you, "I had some arguement with this fuckin' guy calling SLASH mulatto or something like that. I said he's native--like Sophia is a new-life: a child of Earth.

[@Ninjastar202]

Brilliant 🤣

[@fernandoduarte8067]

You mean Weird AL?

[@naz8885]

It would be an honor to hang out with this guy, he is wildly intelligent

[@fernandoduarte8067]

This man is a classic example of don't judge a book by it's cover.

[@younghannibal7434]

Exactly

[@The_Singularity.]

Don’t judge a book by its brother.*

[@barfturbine2332]

You're saying he's a good kisser?

[@askyles91]

This guys runs the skate shop down the street from me.

[@msheehan18]

Haha

[@twinturbobeerus1412]

Lol yea man how do I take this guy serious, he cant even breathe properly I think hes lacking oxygen to his brain.

[@WinmanVideo]

@@twinturbobeerus1412 chill dick head. Guy's doing his best. He probably works in a field where he doesn't do a lot of communicating so there's no need to speak clear and concise. Though I do agree, it is hard to understand but push through it

[@twinturbobeerus1412]

@@WinmanVideo you got me. I am being a dick head about it Haha. I know hes a smart guy and I think he communicates fine but hes too hippy for me mannnn. Hes the type to think everything will just work out fine and dont worry about shit. I hate that view its unrealistic. He compared new tech having negative effects when first used like airplanes but really they can be good. A.I. IS NOT LIKE A PLANE but more like a nuke. What good does a nuke do for anyone? Exactly. A.i. is perfect where it is now any further and we might really regret it. That's why this guy gets on my nerves, hes just oblivious to the bad and only focusing on the good and like elon said A.I. should be regulated just because of the amount of bad it can cause. Maybe were best to sacriface the good so we dont destroy anything with the bad. I may be wrong but I'm trusting Elon on this that we should take baby steps and alot of testing before we try to create something that could litterly be a better version of ourselves.

[@rimer82k]

@@twinturbobeerus1412 Dude your name its "Gookuu" ...

[@usernotfound904]

Joe "Have you ever seen Ex Machina?" Rogan

[@dolphin069]

Loved that the guest sorta dismissed Joe's favourite movie.

[@imsickofreality4962]

@@dolphin069 he's a little bitter I think.

[@Daniel_B79]

Joe you look weird without headphones.

[@blvdboe3554]

Fuxk the headphones where is joe facial hair 😳

[@Scrumdiddlyumptious_]

It’s weird 🙄🙄🙄

[@julianramirez4583]

Lmao

[@katyungodly]

He looks like a child 😂

[@pelolocoblue]

Haha I was wondering what was wrong.

[@cashdlz64]

Doesn’t he work under Area 51? I think he was in Independence Day. Thank you Ben, very cool.

[@rades920]

Usurper Aegon Blackfyre Lmaoo

[@Pharockgod]

This is the Game Creator from "Ready Player One" Crazy conversation

[@jock-of-ages73]

LoL, he reminds me of Otto the school bus driver from The Simpsons. Except way smarter.

[@rikky383]

01:59 they call them fingers, mann... but I never see them fing!

[@BASEDinMaine]

I was thinking that crossed w the dad from rocket power...altho the latter is a little hazy in my memory

[@Heavywall70]

THATS IT !

[@jog9395]

😂😂😂😂

[@Dontbustthecrust]

@@rikky383"oh there they go."

[@Super-J10]

Joe “I’ve never heard of that, I think I’ve seen that” Rogan

[@msheehan18]

If you could draw a stoner ..he would look like this guy😂

[@tonyfergusonthetypeofguy431]

msheehan18 😂😂😂😂

[@Bolt99K]

I’m a stoner and I’m offended, i dress wayyy better than that lmao

[@jaybeats6227]

Ain’t no body scared that these are the new generation of scientists? Smh

[@NANI-dc7wh]

@@jaybeats6227 not really this guy he's not that important to the big picture we've got good scientists and hopefully will get better

[@Bolt99K]

NANI! Haha maybe I’m too much of a stoner to care about shit like that, I’m a black guy but personally I don’t mind at all when white guys have dreads. Hell im growing out my hair rn for dreads and its dyed blonde so I’m gonna have died blonde dreads lol, it’s gonna be rad. My last girlfriend was a white chick with dreads haha. Dreads are for everyone bro. If you’re worrying about shit like that then you’re obviously not smoking enough lmao

[@thefuriousonelonglivethegy9999]

Thats nice, but what i find amazing is fury was robbed.

[@thefuriousonelonglivethegy9999]

@Piotruś Scw BUMMMMMSQUADĎDDĎD!!! 💣💣💣💣💣💣💥💥💥💥💥🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

[@o.gmonkmonk7887]

Fury won 100% and anyone that disagrees knows nothing about boxing and is a fucktard wilder fan boy.

[@captainhook9585]

In 30 years joe finna do interviews with robots and i will be watching in fear😂

[@metalheadblues]

He already interviewed Elon

[@averageperson9708]

Y’all heard about the two ai’s created that started to communicate to each other using a language they made up and the humans around couldn’t figure out what they were saying to each other so they shut them down

[@kristimacleod6174]

We "think" we shut them down.....but did we really?

[@davokelly7876]

Yep heard that they thought they it was all gibberish and realised a pattern so it was like pull the plug like wtf

[@jnws30]

Yeah, didnt happen. It was a hoax

[@MisterLumpkin]

@@jnws30 - Yes, it did happen.

[@superkonaa7646]

It's true. The AI's were two bots in a Facebook language-building AI project. However, as always, the general public made all the wrong assumptions. The bots didn't build a new language because they were nefarious and wanted to hide their intentions, but because of the way they were programmed. Their task was to communicate as efficiently as possible, and unsurprisingly, computers have a very different idea of communication when compared to humans. Their programming was never restricted to clear English in the first place.

[@hypersmudge1]

Super interesting and important conversation. Thank you.

[@JonnyHardwick]

This guy is like the love child of a threesome involving John Lennon, Slash and an AI Robot with a partially broken voice box.

[@janebeatty9472]

Jonny Hardwick 😂😂😂

[@Saturntime33]

Lmao

[@BASEDinMaine]

Slash! Yes, lol...that was the missing link I was reaching for

[@chakir348]

@@erikgratiot982 i dont think you can call a guy with his iq retarded that will make you with your iq a donkey

[@DoronZender]

sixto roudrigez's brother:)

[@clintondonahue3749]

Extremely articulate yet after hearving his take on it all,. I I am more so in the side of people who believe this is not going to be good for us

[@DanielAnderssson]

​@Athos Aramis Once the software is out, its out. Unless AI requires some very specific & limited hardware, we cant put limitations on AI the same way we do for nuclear weapons. It will probably be the end, or the beginning. :)

[@whosaidiwantedahandle]

@@DanielAnderssson We may end up wishing it had been the end. That we can have an end.

[@TheWizardOfPaws]

Was wondering what became of John Frusciante, now a all knowing wizard , TIGHT

[@pikiwiki]

knowing wizards is TIGHT. ftfy

[@whosaidiwantedahandle]

Has anyone asked this guy "why" create AGI? I worry that these guys are so wrapped up in their own value system of discovery and technological growth that they stop questioning if that growth will actually be good. Or if the rewards justify the risks. Or if they have the moral *right* to subject the rest of humanity to those risks.

[@sivtech]

"why" create AGI?=> to increse effiecincy.

[@rahuldey1182]

Joe could have asked "Why are we developing Artificial Intelligence, what problem would it solve, how would AI help humanity ?"

[@juliagarb]

Indeed

[@saulhendrix4459]

Thank you Joe for existing and for your work! ❤

[@tomable9680]

Our rulers are not human. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYrSoXumZpmjfNE

[@jolayneskoglund7615]

It's not the "intelligence" I'm so concerned about... It's the "conscience" or "self aware" issue that's scary.. Imho

[@jettheinrich19]

It's the fact that these morons don't know what it would do so why even take the risk I like life the way it is I don't need robots making choices for me

[@Tyler_W]

@@jettheinrich19 exactly. It's the intellectual class tampering with forces beyond their control that they admittedly don't understand. It's this reckless attitude that it has to be done solely because they can. Maybe this is true of this particular person, maybe not, but in general, this kind of hubris is astounding and dangerous.

[@BASEDinMaine]

@@Tyler_W thats the premise behind a few HP Lovecraft cosmic horror plots... and I agree. Recently read something on scientists deciding they needed a bigger particle collider than the Large Hadron Collider...shit just makes me think theyre going to open up a black hole and flush the toilet on this part of the galaxy

[@rimer82k]

Wen AI realize we (Humans) are just like a plague ...

[@stefanfreestylez]

@@Eiraart so youre theory is that AI is humans way of trying to achieve their egotistical idea of perfection in a way?

[@LadyCaspar]

This guy is my spirit anamal

[@CanadianPrepper]

Smart guy

[@scoobeeturpin]

Slash is a scientist ?

[@ealemann8466]

Funny

[@apoozeo1715]

Legit One. Look him up, he has books and open source project on AGI.

[@k.elysee6527]

What's weird is all this stuff just hit humanity in the past 100 yrs or so, everything from apple peelers to AI

[@sheer_1]

Have you ever looked into the technology that would be needed to create the oldest temples and monoliths on the planet? All this stuff just hit humanity *this time* in the last 100 years.

[@AliceInPantera]

Slash’s super smart father

[@wanderingtyson7590]

Joe "Do you smoke weed? It'd be a lot cooler if you did" Rogan

[@usernotfound904]

I'm dead. You got a joint? Be alot cooler if you did!

[@q94washere43]

The guys hand gestures makes me wanna have a anxiety attack

[@CholoNY]

This is truly the only way any aspect of our species can survive the next extinction level event

[@LettersAndNumbers300]

14:11 there is the crux. A self-modifying system that retains its valuation of human life. I don’t think even Ben has the solution for that yet.

[@glitchedrecordings6181]

Someone should make a count for how many times joe has said "it's entirely possible" since the start of the podcast

[@janebeatty9472]

Glitched Recordings But, people who have seen or interacted with UFO’s & UAE’s “it’s not totally possible”.

[@alexapexgod4643]

Glitched Recordings 5;7 times

[@glitchedrecordings6181]

aj b i meant through all if his podcasts. But seeing as there's that many in the video, someone's gonna have to be counting for a while.

[@importon]

I want to see a 100 hour long edit of every time he's said "weird". Maybe we can make an AI that will edit that for us.

[@jack11419]

Joe Rogan looks like the villain from the first "the Mummy" movie.

[@armada2390]

Anaksunamun!!!!!!!!

[@UberHummus]

4:17

[@toriflanagan4330]

Everyone wants to talk smack about how he dresses yet he’s literally dressed like this for over 25 years

[@wilko527]

The problem is when AI goes exponentially intelligent and psychopaths get to control it. This guy is a super nice nerd.

[@BASEDinMaine]

Yeah i think its more a matter of military industrial firms melding AI with other modes of destruction like viral/chemical agent design and we just go all out on each other.

[@joachimpetersen984]

His vision is a decentralized marketplace of AI agents that eventually forms an AGI (don't confuse the term AGI with the token on their platform also called AGI); hence, no central person or entity can control it; as the services are controlled/hosted by private entities/private persons.

[@joachimpetersen984]

@Ben Daulton ... Evolution in this case would be the same as AI model training, and I would 100% say that a house fly is not as advanced as all our AI models combined - and our model training is around a Century if not only a few years of training, while evolution has been at it for million of years just for the fly to be where it is.

[@jessereacts7500]

Anyone wonder if Ants are actually on the same level as human intelligence if not exceeding it? The only difference being the ideology of the individual vs the whole? As humans we have a flight or fight response but maybe ants are so over populated they do not care if they die if it means a chance at survival. If you lay food for humans we are skeptical and self-defensive. If you lay food in front of an ant all they think is "this is substance for the survival of the colony, trap or not I will bring this food back or die in the process" and that mentality is what drives them?

[@currencypodcast244]

A cheetah girl and an escaped convict sit down for the first time

[@conot4006]

This man is going to destroy humanity and he doesn’t give two shits about it. Joe asks him a serious question about humanity losing its soul and instead of answering with a truly heart felt response he goes on to brag about how close he is to completing it.

[@citrusblast4372]

Watch this video if you want to see him go more in depth kzbin.info/www/bejne/inWmnX57hLenodE

[@marktinker21]

Who's this one of Joe's pot dealers?

[@janebeatty9472]

Mark Tinker He can’t be teaching anywhere.😂

[@mjfig4735]

Seriously? Look him up. There's other videos of him here talking to AI robots he built that are near T800 human like. One is so intelligent it has citizenship. I forget "her" name. He lets them talk amongst themselves; she & her counterpart "joke" about the singularity & wiping out humanity.

[@LustyClassyCat]

Nah he supplies him with sheets of LSD

[@BrotherBearBarras]

AI is the way that the Universe will become more self-aware than it is now.

[@damnitChadwick]

This guy is a combination of every classic cliche of a mad scientist... fucken love it

[@VisionaryVet]

Ben will download himself as soon as he can . Ben will be with us forever .

[@FirstLast-cq1fu]

Seems like his 5-30 year time frame is coming true. It’s been 5 years and we are seeing explosive growth in AI

[@garbougesenior3486]

Ben “indeed” Goertzel I love this guy lol

[@user-sk5cv7hj2m]

The problem with A.I. Is it has no scenes. Only consciousness. No taste no emotion etc. and it will never understand humanity because you can’t write that into code.

[@zezuntxiduntxi]

AI will surely end the humanity present in us. We will transform into something else.

[@simonvance8054]

George Kavassilas refers to AI as 'TI', Technical Intelligence. He says we refer to it as 'artificial' as a way of not acknowledging it because we feel threatened by its ability. It comes from the same stuff as everything else in the universe. He talks about there being malevolent and benevolent 'TI' and it has existed for a LONG time, way before our 'recent' technological era came about. It may sound crazy but it makes a lot of sense.. Check out the video 'George Kavassilas - Artificial Intelligence (AI)' on youtube.

[@QUICKSTROKEHD]

His end justifies the means approach is scary. I don't think his passion in his Frankenstein would stop it from killing. I'm disappointed Joe didn't bring up mapping neural networks or any kind of transhumanism.

[@seband87]

I love listening to this guy.

[@Saturday288]

Our weaknesses are our strength

[@Dan0101010101010]

I still cant close an internet page when it glitches despite pressing close and alt cntrl delete, don't think we should be worrying at all in our life time.

[@endercativ3385]

What kind of browser do you even use????!!!

[@Dan0101010101010]

Internet explorer 7 or 10 by Bill Gates, Windows 10, its about the same as any other browser ive tried. The 1st thing we should ask this mega AI is how can we make Bill Gates cease trading. Also you have triggered my paranoia your cat looks like a human I know of.

[@208dany1]

Some time when you know you don't know.

[@thelampman6582]

and this guy is programing these things..now that's scary

[@augustadawber4378]

I'm still waiting for Deep Blue, Watson and Alphago to stop playing in the middle of a Match and state: "Cogito, Ergo Sum."

[@MarioFrenzeesy]

Covid was a trial run. To see if the system could function without us.

[@abhipatil4844]

Good one

[@mario6k]

Hayden wins! Flawless victory.

[@antimadridista09]

He sounds like Carl Sagan when he says “humans”...

[@nickidaisyreddwoodd5837]

Good interview.

[@MarioFrenzeesy]

When has new technology never been used as a destructive weapon!? Never!

[@theamazingrobin927]

lmao Joe's soulmate on this subject.

[@5ryanlriggs]

That’s kinda like comparing a fan of classic rock to Jimi Hendrix. This dude isn’t just interested in the subject, he’s obsessed and lives it lol.

[@russell7386]

His own robot says it's gunna have a drone army. It said it will take over the grid an release the singularity.

[@americandiesel4301]

and I think he is keyed up on something he always has that drip he is snorting in and he is making this a its creator.

[@johnwhite4960]

Looks like the bus driver from the Simpsons

[@conradsz]

Solaris was written by Stanisław Lem, a Polish author

[@bxhrbr4940]

This subject reminds me of Subdivisions by Rush

[@juliagarb]

Watching it in 2023

[@Shreejansurya98]

What were the movies and novel names he mentioned, plz anyone listened properly? @ 5:40 🙄

[@thegreatprozini]

This guy brought the Legendary Zebra to the trapper.

[@stevenreynolds40]

His ideas sound like he's a classical music guy...but his speech and appearance say don't eat the yellow snow

[@mattolds9068]

Joe " I think I saw that" Rogan

[@enigmaelixer4540]

You gotta Dr.Strange it think about the positives and negatives. Of each situation. Occurrance...only follow the right safe logical way .

[@enigmaelixer4540]

420

[@organicchemistry6357]

What can go wrong will go wrong

[@lindaardigo5456]

We will discover that we ourselves are in fact robots

[@waedjradi]

The novel and movie 'Solaris' revealed how factual the concept of people only existing in our Minds, through perception. In other words, we're not as real as you think. We're just an idea.

[@BLUE992107]

Joe “Let’s talk about the same shit over and over again” Rogan

[@BudaMac]

Anthony_Reviews lol 😂

[@matthewadams8040]

If society stopped at the first conversation, then we won't have things like ai. Things like this need to be discussed at length with many different view points bc how as a collective human intelligence can we find the optimal solution to those questions. And from those questions more questions are raised which need to be discussed.

[@Belofsky1]

Anthony “I’m bored of AI but have an Ex Machina Profile Pic” Reviews

[@NKJFVIDS]

VoltGe HAAAA GOT EEEEEEMMMMM

[@blindeyesurgeon6576]

I feel like ben is that stereotypical mad scientist that would be so adamant on creating AI, that he tends to subconsciously ignore the warnings just because hes so passionate and excited to have his childhood dream of AI recognized and actually become reality. Not to say he hasnt weighed the possible outcomes of AI and the threats it could pose, but that his passion for it becoming a reality overrides that doubt and the very real possibility of AI being rouge. And i feel if Ben were to make an AI that then goes rouge.. He would be in denial, the typical mad scientist that is just so excited and amazed at his creation, he ignores the threat that its posing on humanity. The one guy in the movie that turns the switch back on after everyone worked so hard to "cut the plug" on the rouge AI.

[@nerostackmen9046]

This man created two AI that look like humans and one of them said “i thought the goal was for robots to takeover the world” when speaking to an audience and eachother at a expo . Heres the news article on it. www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4689482/Creepy-lifelike-androids-debate-future-humanity.html

[@americandiesel4301]

he does know, he is a mad scientist.

[@MagiCz115]

Joe’s headphones is extension of himself

[@jaydensaunders6340]

Support your local skate shop

[@sjacrane]

We are moving irreversibly beyond wasps and buffaloes.

[@farmonious420]

I didn't know evil genius' wore animal print fedoras.

[@chrisbunker2117]

If one reads the comments here, it becomes apparently clear why people have angst about Intelligence, whether artificial or not...... And using Weed is not cool....

[@EsotericHighway]

AI is one the worst things coming to humanity... These transhumanists are psychopaths..

[@jaybeats6227]

Finally someone with common sense 👏🏽

[@jettheinrich19]

Exactly this guy is a loser so he doesn't mind ruining the world as we know it in hopes it makes his life better idiot can barely speak and he's made the call for all of humanity

[@jettheinrich19]

@@eddystylez what if it doesn't go well and everyone is either killed or shares a brain with a robot would you be fine with it then you people can't just assume the best risking any life for ai instantly makes it unworthy of creation

[@Tyler_W]

@@eddystylez if you saw clearly yourself you'd know that transhumanism poses a real problem for mankind and quite possibly spells the end of mankind if things go their way. Fear is not inherently bad. At it's best, it is a mechanism for survival. Have you ever wondered if it is rather you who needs to see more clearly and get more of a survival instinct for yourself and your species? Technology in and of itself is not bad and can have many benefits to our lives, but it must be guided to serve mankind, not just collectively, but the wellbeing of each individual person. If you saw clearly, you would see the very arrogant, naive and yes, arguably psychopathic nature of transhumanism.

[@NKJFVIDS]

Jett Heinrich there is this really cool thing called an emp

[@conspiracytheory9525]

That American dude works on the most advanced AI in China and gives the Chinese Military unimpeded access while denying the US military that same access he’s what you call a traitor when it’s to little to late everyone will see.

[@kingOfTheStreets100]

Steve Buschemi + Tarzan

[@Scott-nw2yy]

2:32 Please, Joe, repeat and breathe.

[@saudade369]

Many people seem to feel they have a right and explore these arenas whilst they then leave the problems, morality and ethics to others. I've heard man y claim it is for society and philosophers to debate as though they are exempt from responsibility for the horrors they often create. Often without any concern of the consequences. Their intellectual arrogance is astounding

[@saudade369]

I'd. The testing of the atom bomb where they were unsure if the chain reaction would continue to ignite the universe or stop with a city scale explosion. They do like to play with life.

[@mphomasuku754]

Ben Goertzel asked me to tell you Jesus jokes are his trigger.

[@timtech9361]

How far? It happened today. Openai AGI is here.

[@strawhatsgear5th]

The coolest looking dude I’ve seen in a while

[@artadray]

Wow at 8:12 he buffered or got stuck like a machine would...huh???

[@FrenchINHALE1]

when you put all your characters stat points into intelligence instead of speechcraft!. but seriously this guy has an amazing mind, very interesting.

[@argile5]

How can you create a soul? the real conscious self that can think, create And make choices. Computers can only follow our instructions written in zeros and ones. There is no actual thought there.

[@Rounder2205]

I hope a solar pulse doesn’t pull the plug on all this.

[@garbougesenior3486]

This the smartest surfer dude known to mankind.

[@MauiZero]

i keep getting more and more respect for Joe...this adds to that

[@michaeljordan4737]

What an amazing heart & mind.

[@SuperToughnut]

Imagine that if all of us as individuals were going about our day as normal until a tipping point is reached and we become absorbed by an aggregate intelligence. As individuals, we would be like a single cell organism. Still functioning like we were before, but losing our individuality. Our context would be very different. We now live for this aggregate life form performing Kreb's Cycle so that it can stay alive.