Joe Rogan on Aliens | Doug Wilson

In this episode of Doug Reacts, Pastor Doug Wilson reacts to a video from Joe Rogan talking about aliens.
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[@olerain]

James Montgomery boice mentioned that book in his book “what ever happened to the doctrine of grace “ . I was wondering if that was the same Doug Wilson

[@bigga5406]

I was never a Joe Rogan “fan” per se, but I would listen to a few of his podcasts from time to time. However, the older I get, when I listen to Joe Rogan it is like listening to a 13 year old who just watched Independence Day for the first time.

[@optimisticallycynical.814]

Nice and You believe a talking snake told a lady to eat a forbidden fruit ands that's why my nephew has type 1 diabetes

[@jessedphillips]

True. True. I feel dumber after having watched that. Have you ever thought that maybe like we're like just living on a tiny speck of dust and like a giant universe??

[@MB-qy1op]

@@optimisticallycynical.814 Who made the snake? Who made the woman? Who made the fruit? These things didn’t just happen by chance - the evolution theory is much more far fetched - for example ‘Lightening hit some bacteria in some water’ (where did the lightening come from? Where did the water come from? Where did the bacteria come from?) and then the bacteria became a worm which became a fish which grew legs and became a lizard, then more lightening and fires and always billions and billions of years so the lizard can become a squirrel then a monkey etc etc. The only ‘answer’ anyone has to all this far fetched storytelling is ‘billions and millions of years’ …. But then what? Still don’t have an answer to who made it all.

[@optimisticallycynical.814]

@@MB-qy1op Who made God ? You don't get to get a cop out pass on this question

[@Wheatsilo]

@@optimisticallycynical.814 what's absurd about that? It's weird from a Christian worldview that has a foundation built on eternal principles but its not weird from an evolutionary world view. A snake talk, so what? Random chance and matter bumping into other matter. What rule tells you that snakes can't talk?

[@ecshriv9256]

Man, I've would love if Doug went on Joe Rogan's show and shared the gospel with him

[@Kylecombes4]

Joe wouldn't know half the words Doug uses

[@ecshriv9256]

@@Kylecombes4 probably true

[@n88986]

Yes! Maybe some light would shine into his mind!

[@MultiRocknroll123]

Joe would be like "but does the gospel say anything about DMT?"

[@jawshh559]

@@Kylecombes4 and what a beautiful teaching opportunity that would make.

[@Memphisflipper]

Doug- we love you in Memphis. Thanks for being a faithful servant of the Lord.

[@TyranBatten]

Doug should really react to Rogan's recent conversation with Seth Dillon (Babylon Bee CEO) where they went back and forth on abortion and Christianity.

[@damon5894]

Agreed.

[@damon5894]

What are your thoughts on the conversation?

[@TyranBatten]

@@damon5894 It was interesting, Rogan was more hostile than normal, but Seth impressively held his own and defended the pro life stance without caving. It turned much more civil after that moment and it was nice to see that happen on such a big platform.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@TyranBatten sounds like a rare podcast I might want to look up

[@TyranBatten]

It was great! I tune into Joe Rogan episodes when I'm interested in the guest. I wouldn't recommend listening to the entire show because it really varies in quality depending on who is on. Plus there's like 4-5 episodes a week, and they're all ~3ish hours long which is way too much podcast for my taste

[@gamingwithboosh]

wow, the editing of the doug reacts, my favorite canon press series, has improved immensely. Excellent work editing team!

[@ogloc6308]

God bless you Pastor Doug

[@zarp89]

God bless this man and this ministry. Keep it coming guys!

[@FireSquad101]

@We Don't Have Supreme Love for Negations What's wrong with that?

[@izzymom2745]

Why do they say alien? Because the definition of alien is absolutely accurate when trying to describe something that is 'foreign'.

[@zapazap]

_It's no fun,_ _Being an illegal alien._

[@tatie7604]

Illegal aliens are foreign invaders violating legal boundaries on earth. The military craft are keeping an eye on us. That's why they hover over military bases. Flying saucer are OUR military.

[@masonwelsh9718]

Nate Bargatze just being there in the middle of Doug Wilson and Joe Rogan is hilarious.

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

He's good clean comedy too. I always recommend him.

[@jessewestbrook9816]

Love Nate!

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

I love how Doug just pops into a conversation between two potheads who are talking about aliens and just blows up their dumb theories. The ultimate buzzkiller 🤣

[@Yesica1993]

Ha!

[@delbert372]

In this case, the 2004 Nimitz incident is VERY credible. Watch interviews with David Fravor.

[@jjjjjjjjj323]

Yeah, as soon as Doug does that I’d be interested. That didn’t happen here though. The Pentagon actually did release footage of the events that occurred off the coast of Southern California. The conversation they’re having Is very reasonable given the evidence.

[@DM-dk7js]

The chance aliens exist is just as good as the chance god exists.

[@delbert372]

@@DM-dk7js Nah, aliens would be contingent.

[@nathanielkeane8462]

Great take. Now, the quicker we get Christians to realize that much of their cosmology is based on the science fiction NASA puts out, the better 😂

[@abramkuhlman7201]

Say it louder

[@cosmictreason2242]

The world is round. We knew that for thousands of years before NASA

[@cosmictreason2242]

The world is round. We knew that for thousands of years before NASA

[@zapazap]

@@cosmictreason2242 Not in Kansas!

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@zapazap modern flat earth is anachronistic, literally invented by a nasa engineer as a joke

[@shantvincent782]

Thanks for this one Pastor Doug! For years, every time an atheist/agnostic asked me about aliens I would answer that we can already confirm that aliens exist and after they shock value that a Christian believes in aliens wore off, I explained that angels and demons are aliens by definition. I greatly appreciate your thoughts on this JRE podcast, glad to find others that think similarly about this sort of topic. I also thought the point about the driving narrative that atheist/agnostics have is a key part of understanding the way they think. I've never met an atheist/agnostic that follows the science perfectly, they ultimately create myths to believe in.

[@tatie7604]

NO MORE MOVIES! I'm sick of references to them. Movies themselves are idols.

[@joejohnson9499]

7:57 "...we are also myth making creatures..." -says one of the leaders of a religious community. What a fantastically interesting point!

[@bobkelly3944]

Doug, what is your take on the Rogan's interview with Bob Lazar, the MIT graduate that took part in the governments research projects of multiple UFO space craft, to try to understand how they worked. Very credible interview .

[@jdominguez777]

IMP, Bob Lazar is nonsense, you could tell he was being shifty and not being direct when talking. It’s funny for people like Rogan, who think the idea of God is crazy, but aliens is credible 🙄🤣

[@DM-dk7js]

@@jdominguez777 the odds of god existing are the exact same as aliens tho.

[@jdominguez777]

@@DM-dk7js Where did everything, especially Order, come from? God claims it. And, the following joke sums it up well: Me: so you’re an atheist? Atheist: yes Me: why don’t you believe in God? Atheist: Because I don’t believe in fairy tales Me: So who created the universe? Atheist: it came from nothing Me : 🤣😂

[@DM-dk7js]

@@jdominguez777 I don’t know. And neither do you.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@jdominguez777 but again; the odds of god and aliens existing are exactly the same.

[@danbrown586]

6:20 He instinctively understands that we need a higher power, and that there actually is one--but since he's suppressing the truth of God in unrighteousness, he needs to come up with something else. Hence, aliens.

[@dumfriesspearhead7398]

That's an interesting point and probably accounts for the popularity of science fiction, both literary and filmic.

[@dukeofstonehaven4039]

Cain brought an offering to the LORD. Even the natural man has a need and desire to worship.

[@optimisticallycynical.814]

@@dukeofstonehaven4039 Abraham brought an offering as well and he was willing to kill his own Son. Would you kill your own son if God asked you to ? Would you kill an amalakite infant with a sword because of what his forefathers did ?

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@optimisticallycynical.814 God won’t ask us to. You have no concept of typology. Abraham was given that test for the specific reason that it would be a picture of Christ’s sacrifice to come. And you’ll note that Isaac was not sacrificed

[@optimisticallycynical.814]

@@cosmictreason2242 yes but Abraham was willing. That's the point The 911 Hijackers were willing Samson the Terrorists you like to tout In Sunday school was willing, as if his down fall was His last for women and not murder and arnon before being a suicide terrorist in the name of God was willing You also didn't answer the question the answer is No BTW God commanded amalakite infants be slaughtered for the crimes of their ancestors don't pretend like God never santions the murder of children and if you are going to use the old murder vs killing argument to defend the killing of Babies then please refrain from future pro life rallies because you don't actually care or have a consistent moral standard the and Probability of a US Christian voting for Trump in 2020 after arming Saudi Arabia

[@lovefrombooks7]

This feels like an excellent video to point out the difference between science and scientism.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

Science is scientism. How were the differences pointed out here?

[@kayorr2683]

These are Joe's thoughts on a mushroom experience, lol.

[@zapazap]

No, they were his thoughts on aliens. Joe often talks about mushrooms, but that was not the topic at the time. Or were you being facetious? Cheers! :)

[@kayorr2683]

You need to get a sense of humor, lol@@zapazap

[@dustinsegers4534]

Spot on Doug. Thank you.

[@ericb8217]

Great stuff

[@Rundmc40]

These people dont just make movies from thin air...its hidden substance behind film

[@jonathanowen9917]

Great topic - even better reaction video! I love Doug's point about man gathering about myths (and his unspoken in this video but previously stated point that Christianity is the one good myth because it's not a myth, it's true).👽👿vs ✝😇

[@aallen5256]

Its certainly the favourite myth of Christians!

[@sumtingwongnow]

Would love to see Doug on Joes show

[@langer747]

I’d like to tell Joe , “think extra demential not extra terrestrial🤪

[@langer747]

@Caleb P The world is just that a crazy place and Joe Rogan is a worldling who needs Christ . it’s either Christ or Chaos Joe with all his common sense (🤪)contributes to the chaos

[@zapazap]

@Caleb P He is signalling that he is making a pun (and a pretty good one.)

[@christopher-si9kv]

This is a poor clip for Doug to evaluate. The Bob Lazar and David Fravor interviews go extensively over the data points. This clip is just Joe postulating his thoughts with a fellow comedian

[@katherinecornette5315]

The country song, “You’ve got to stand for something or you’ll fall for anything“ comes to mind.

[@zapazap]

I doubt that It seems that me that while not standing for anything, there may be particular things one would not fall for. Don't put too much faith in country songs. (And be careful with the western songs as well.) Cheers! :)

[@Mr_Gabbles]

If there are aliens, just that many more beings bringing glory to God

[@bradpedersen5958]

The alien thing always throws me for a loop. All I can say is that if they are real, our God is also their God. He is the God of the universe.

[@cosmictreason2242]

They aren’t, because God is only the savior of the elect, which are of the race of Adam and Christ

[@bobkelly3944]

@@cosmictreason2242 you sound like one of them there Calvinist.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

Aliens as we have come to know them don't exist. It has already been scientifically proven about 37 years ago what was already written in Rom. 8 about how God left the other planets in the same state that this planet was in as of Gen. 1:2.

[@zapazap]

@@cosmictreason2242 People use the phrase 'The God of X' in contexts where 'X' is does not refer to, or merely to, elected mankind. Eg 'God if the universe' or 'God of mathematics'. And they are not incorrect in speaking that way. So too: "God of any living creatures he created outside of earth'. Cheers! :) Si to speak of

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@zapazap you completely failed to understand what I’m saying. You’re not addressing my comment at all.

[@exploringgodslibrary8918]

Loved your statement on survival of the fittest--So we evolve into "three foot cockroaches. Chuckled several times. So funny.

[@selohcin]

Wilson is wrong to say that the "precarious moment" is not required. When dealing with selfish, ambitious leaders, EVERY moment is a precarious moment.

[@zapazap]

@Caleb P Humans are selfish and ambitious, yes.

[@zapazap]

Friends: Some things that are obvious nonetheless _bear repeating._

[@biche212]

Modern Technology that spoofs radar

[@screwball1010]

I don't know about aliens but I do believe that there is a beast in the sea.

[@aallen5256]

We kind of beast??

[@cosmictreason2242]

The sea is the gentile nations and so the beast from the sea implies the Antichrist will be a gentile. Later in revelation “there is no more sea.” No more unbelieving gentiles exist

[@screwball1010]

@@cosmictreason2242 That is a reasonable Interpretation

[@screwball1010]

@@aallen5256 One of a kind

[@aallen5256]

@@screwball1010 So it’s either a metaphorical sea beast, actually the anti-Christ from a gentile nation, or it equally might be a great big beast that lives in the sea lmao?

[@deejitv]

"Yeah." Lol the perfect ending.

[@Mr_Fairdale]

The Nimitz event, imho, is like cats with a laser pointer but for humans.

[@tedbell4416]

Not hardly

[@mayjohn1072]

at 8:17 i'm a little confused on what Doug is saying. is he saying the UFOs are guardian angels or is he just making a point that Joe calls Bible stories myths, but he himself belives in a myth? Can someone clear it up?

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

MJ,....DW is every bit as blind, lost, and deceived as is JR. They both share the very same false manmade religion of scientism.

[@thegodofalldragons]

3:15 I don't know, man. Rogen's pretty baked, he might actually take that seriously.

[@vinnyv949]

I’ve said the same thing. How do we know these anomalous aerial phenomena aren’t angels or demons of some sort?

[@DM-dk7js]

How do you know they ARE?

[@robstrck8]

@@DM-dk7js saying how do you know they aren’t isn’t the same as saying they are. Pointless question.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@robstrck8 so how do you know they are angels or demons? Because there’s no evidence of that.

[@robstrck8]

@@DM-dk7js I feel sad for you that you feel the need to come to a Christian channel just to argue.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@robstrck8 not arguing. Asking questions. Try to be less sensitive.

[@austinblair7901]

I want Doug & JMac to debate end times

[@Blues.Fusion]

Joe Rogan is an alien sent here to introduce us to the idea of aliens. It was him on nasa's radar screen. I'm on to you joe....

[@jawshh559]

I don’t know if that’s totally fair. I feel like Rogan would be open to Michael speaking if the scenario you put forward happened. At the very least, he would at least mention it once every third podcast in conversation! Haha! Also, the way I was taught evolution -and I’m not making a claim that evolution is true or false here when I say this- never pointed to us becoming gods eventually. That’s not how it works in my understanding.

[@jawshh559]

Oh wow, I guess dashes make a strike through on KZbin. Please excuse the strike through

[@tedbell4416]

Yeah Rogan is just pointing out real data not scenarios

[@scottyyoch3537]

If evolution proposes that change is the only constant, the next logical question is, "to what end does that change occur"? If there is no end, then there is no hierarchy or standard to judge by. Thus, all forms of evolution are equally valid, and we have Gaia worship If it progresses towards a "higher end", the ultimate highest end is the immaterial become God, which is what Doug points out. It's also self defeating, as once you reach that highest end, evolution stops. Sounds very Hegelian doesn't it?

[@jawshh559]

@@scottyyoch3537 that’s a great response and I understand where you’re coming from. I guess that what I’ve learned (at least concerning evolution) is that it’s only there to optimize survival. So I guess that an evolutionist would answer saying that whatever best helps you survive and thrive is what’s best. To concede a large part of your point, I can understand how for many that could lead to self-worship/ Gaia worship. Still, people find ways to do that even without believing in evolution, and I don’t think that the theory sets out to replace God, but that’s just my opinion. Again, truly grateful for your response and your politeness. Have a great day and a wonderful weekend, brother.

[@spoocyguy]

Thought my eyes were failing me haha

[@mary-janechambers3596]

Who is the Prince of the power of the air? The Spirit who works in the sons of disobedience. Ephesians 2:2

[@RayrifiedAire]

Genesis 28:12 Jacob's ladder?

[@matthewmc2860]

The SR71 Blackbird first flew Dec 22 1964 and is credited with traveling 2,400mph at 85,000 feet. That was only 60 years after the Wright Brothers' paper airplane took off. Now it's about 60 years after the SR71. Think about it and stop believing nonsense.

[@cosmictreason2242]

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to believe they were witnessing some kind of radar jamming which was above their clearance and they were part of the test, to see if it could beat US and therefore Russian radar

[@cosmictreason2242]

@Caleb P lies and mental illness. Very rare cases of demonic activity

[@scottypeep93]

Although you probably don’t agree with Hugh Ross on creation, he has the same hypothesis, which is great to see coming from an astrophysicist.

[@geoffrobinson]

I interviewed his UFO co-author Ken Samples on my channel “a Goy for Jesus” if you’re interested. I took their reliance on John Keel & Jacques Vallee and did my own video on it too.

[@jjneiman]

Can you start covering Steve Bannon?

[@howardbabcom]

It's amazing how selective people are when it comes to the manner of sci-fi narrative that informs their cosmology. I've just finished reading Jack Mc Devitt's 'The Hercules Text' for about the fifth time, and in that, the 'message' provided by ET's proves to be a Pandora's box that brings the world to the brink of extinction, purely because of human nature. That manner of theme, which is often expressed in viable Sci-Fi, is so often skipped today. Even in the Abyss, we are actually confronted with the worst kind of alien - our innate capacity for ruining ourselves.

[@delbert372]

Watch interviews with David Fravor.

[@margot_polo]

Uncle Doug, at it again....! Love the ending, especially.... 'yeah'...chuckle. 😆

[@Cinnamonbuns13]

Nate Bargatze is seriously funny though. Clean comedy too.

[@Speakingintothevoid700]

Very funny!

[@johnl.2895]

I started Angels in the Architecture based on Dougs best imitation of a salesman at the end of this video. Great plug! Great book!

[@spoocyguy]

I recommend reading The UFO Deception by Father Spyridon Bailey, he picks the whole thing apart very nicely.

[@wozm9924]

Yep, we sure do like our myths. I especially find it amusing that some people seem to struggle with the concept of aliens visiting earth but have no issues with blokes walking on water or virgins giving birth.

[@Matt-Pursley]

As a Christian I can’t seem to understand why we are always so afraid of not having an answer for everything. Whatever you think of two non Christians spitballing on their podcast. Why does everything, we don’t have a good answer for, have to be an angel in the branches? The Bible doesn’t set any limitations to life outside of earth or government projects developing technology we don’t know about. Most of this is coming out now became of journalists digging around after the freedom of information act.

[@jamesestrella5911]

Angels, Demons etc. are by definition, alien. They’re not of/from Earth. Yes, God and his celestial creatures are all alien to Earth by definition. Now if the there are other aliens aside from one mentioned and categorized in scripture and apocrypha, I don’t have much to say.

[@Spazticspaz]

I believe Doug's point was more of presenting a counter narrative than saying this is de-facto. He's saying he can create a narrative of the same creative level out of the neutral data that's objectively presented. He was tryin to say, basically, that Joe Rogan is putting sprinkles and chocolate syrup on the ice cream. They add to the flavor, but they are not the ice cream (the data of the events that transpired)

[@Matt-Pursley]

​@@Spazticspaz I get that. You're probably right. But he did mention angels as a counterpoint to aliens, at least twice. This isn't the venue to try to pit worldviews against each other. These are documented sightings, not philosophical claims. He doesn't know if they are natural or metaphysical any more than these podcaster. The evidence is interesting. Let that be enough. "I'm a pastor, I know, a priori, everyone's motivations and I can also give any ontological answer to all unexplained phenomena." Is not helpful, IMO.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Angels don’t exist because they atonement and the hypostatic union do not permit it, if you properly understand both

[@Thehuskarl]

I just listened to "out of the silent planet" which is a sci-fi by CS Lewis. It's a great example of what aliens might look like without the modernist concepts baked into the cosmology.

[@domcrisafi4434]

You also have a certain world view narrative, but on the religious side.You're more alike with Joe than you realize.

[@kevinjackson4933]

I would love to see Rogan challenge this video on his show. Doubt he would.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

KJ,.....What would be the point of one atheist challenging the video of another atheist? Both JR and DW are in the same atheist religion of scientism.

[@kevinjackson4933]

@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 How is this true of Wilson?

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@kevinjackson4933 ,....There are two religions in the world that encompass all the world's religions. One is either in one or the other. There is the one true religion of the Bibles Christianity and the one other religion that all the worlds other religions are under the authority of, scientism. The churches (Doug Wilson's,) christianity is not the Christianity of Jesus and the Bible, it is the fake christianity of the Godless world that is in reality scientism. Both DW and JR are both in the religion of scientism, just different denominations of scientism. JR is in the atheist denomination, and DW is in the fake christian denomination. The entire fake christian church that is in reality scientism is nothing more than satan casting out satan. Matthew 12:25 "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26, And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?" This is why Jesus referred to the church as the abomination of desolation. The churches religion of scientism is divided against itself and on the last day, the churches (DW'S) fake christianity will not stand. Those few who actually are Christians have nothing to do with anything called the church. Jesus has sanctified (separated) them from it.

[@kevinjackson4933]

@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 I get that you you're saying he is idolizing science, but can you provide clarity about the specifics? What has Wilson said that makes you say this? I haven't heard him talk about any scientific views that were antithetical to the Bible. But if you have, share some examples please.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@kevinjackson4933 ,.....The specifics are as I stated. One is either a real Christian, or they are a fake one, and are a part of the church and its religion of scientism that they all think is christianity. DW's religion is scientism, it is not the Christianity of Jesus and the Bible, it is the counterfeit (antichrist) christianity of the Godless world. One very easy to understand example is, the Bible clearly tells us that the earth God made is a flat stationary plane. The Godless world, (science/scientism) tells us the earth is a spinning ball flying through endless space that makes the entire Bible 100% null and void and nothing but the fables of men. Anyone that believes that the earth is a spinning ball is not a Christian, absolutely, positively not. It is impossible. A Christian is someone who believes what the Bible says, not what the Godless world says especially when it makes the Bible an impossibility, and the spinning baal (ball) does. The spinning ball earth comes from the false manmade religion of scientism, it is the opposite of what the Bible tells us. Again, no actual Christian believes that the earth is a spinning ball nor all the 100% fake manmade things that go along with it. But DW and the entire church is 100% on board with it, exposing that they are not Christians to any with eyes to see.

[@morgangreenlee2091]

A Joe Rogan and Doug collab would be fire

[@thereisnopandemic]

Joe Rogan believes in E.T. Yet he mocks flat earthers. Both sides are illogical, might as well believe in leprechauns

[@zapazap]

E.T. is not short for extraterrestrial life (which could include, say, microbial life on Europa). It is a nonce name for a particular fictional (and rather fanciful) extraterrestrial character in a film of the same name. Are you trying to say Rogan believes in the latter? Cheers!

[@dailytheology1689]

Angel-ology is all around us.

[@zapazap]

Angels perhaps. But why angelology?

[@anarchorepublican5954]

"Aliens" is a Postmoderne' mixture of mythology and superstition ...Doug herein does a very good job of deconstructing it...

[@robertoesquivel4447]

Joe Rogan's co-host: ...that's so crazy... Dougie Wilson: Yeah 😁 😆

[@BrokTheLoneWolf]

Yes Doug. I agree. Now take your argument to the logical conclusion and include NASA and the globe myth. And realize your own cosmology is more influenced by Hollywood than scripture.

[@TopJazzCat]

"globe myth". Quite an assertion. What cosmology is the proper, scripture-influenced cosmology?

[@BrokTheLoneWolf]

@@TopJazzCat the one described in the bible. It’s not confusing at all

[@TopJazzCat]

@@BrokTheLoneWolf So, the one Doug Wilson holds?

[@BrokTheLoneWolf]

@@TopJazzCat yes, correct. If he was consistent with his stated belief system he would come to that conclusion. And I have hope that he will one day.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Flat earth is literally invented by nasa. You fools are controlled opposition

[@pborkstrom]

Nate Bargatze is the right guest to have this conversation with Joe Rogan

[@infidelhardcore7881]

Can we get a video on demographics and voting trends? The biggest voting block for the issues we all care about is shrinking every year due to many reasons but the main one is legal immigration. Getting rid of the national origins quota was a major mistake and soon we will no longer be a Western country if this trend continues. I know conservative Christian folk of all walks of life, but when it comes to abortion, gun control, hate speech laws, and literally every other issue we care about we can see from clear cut data that non-Europeans support abortion, gun control, etc by 70-95% depending on the demographic and issue. We live in a Republic, and it's essentially a numbers game. These facts can't be ignored anymore. America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are extensions of the West (Europe). We shouldnt be reduced to hated minorities in our own nations.

[@Ryan-mech-muffin]

Keep in mind that America has always been a melting pot. And people responded negatively to the Irish, Chinese, eastern Europeans, etc. Nothing much has changed except for liberal progressivism's spread worldwide.

[@infidelhardcore7881]

@@Ryan-mech-muffin America has always been a European majority country, but it won't be for much longer if we don't put into place a immigration moritorium. Our first immigration act in 1791 clearly defined this, it reserved citizenship for morally upright Europeans, and every other act until 1965 made it so our country would always be a Western country. Different people build different civilizations and our founding fathers did not invision a multi cultural America. The plaque on the statue of liberty doesn't dictate our national destiny. Our country wasnt founded and established by immigrants. Colonists, explorers, frontiersman established our country. The melting pot bit that is always repeated is just more liberal nonsense too. At best we were a melting pot of Europe. I'm not arguing from authority, but I am a history teacher and I hear this nonsense from other teachers constantly. It's not rooted in history at all, and the founders are rolling in their grave that their descendents have become enemy #1. We are not a European only country, but it is European culture, customs, and institutions that birthed this country. And if we think we can replace the people and get the same country we are dreaming. I love everyone but voting patterns matter and I don't think letting in millions of immigrants which end up voting primarily democrat is a grand idea. Imagine the Japanese or Vietnamese becoming a minority in their own country 😂. They would never let that happen, it's only 21st century America that's up for grabs.

[@What-he5pr]

@@Ryan-mech-muffin more like it was so European it could sustain the cultural dead weight of small components of foreigners.

[@johnmacrae2006]

@@infidelhardcore7881 To Ryan’s point, I think that America’s ultimate purpose was to re-create Babel. Our flag itself is the British East India Company ensign from the 1760’s, with the Union Jack swapped for a field of stars. This tells me that the most powerful single mercantile interest of the time had a major role in our nation’s founding.

[@dennistennis2225]

Your name is a little ironic. You sound like you'd love Islam.

[@nagadsby9413]

Well, it’s a well proven fact that the stuff Rogan smokes makes one… dim.

[@mordecaialivanallenoshea7532]

What does Joe's Tshirt say? The devil himself and?

[@shaunvanwyk4775]

Salutations good sir!

[@countbless3360]

Thank you Douglas Wilson.

[@libbydaddy8610]

Faeries, gnomes, etc. We're myth makers for sure.

[@owenduck]

When asked what he thinks of free masonry, the enemy of Christianity, curiously Joe rogan gave the exact same answer as Russell brand.

[@owenduck]

@Caleb P definitely, but people need to be talking about these occult societies because they have alot to answer for. And most people don't even realise they exist.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@owenduck ,......The fake christianity that the entire church sells is in reality the freemason religion of scientism.

[@owenduck]

@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 indeed it would seem that the orthodoxy has been twisted into a mess. There is truth for those who dig though.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@owenduck ,.....Yes, absolutely. The truth is there for anyone to find if they want to. The problem is, almost no one wants the truth, especially those claiming to be Christians.

[@owenduck]

@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 same conclusion I came to. No1 is interested in really knowing. The matrix movies got that one right.

[@theblindleadstheblind]

I wish Doug would give a serious answer to the alien topic. Not just point out world view or mythos as usual.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

TBLTB,.......First off, DW is an atheist just like JR. They both have the very same atheist religion of scientism. DW just pretends to be a Christian. Second, DW can't be serious and give a real answer because he does not understand the Bible, he only understands the false teaching and beliefs of the apostate church. He gives world view because he is a man of the Godless world, not a man of God as he pretends to be.

[@andrewthomas4636]

Great points

[@areyoutheregoditsmedave]

why does everyone assume an alien or demonic attack would be full frontal and military in nature? perhaps there are ways to attack an enemy that we arent aware of or wouldnt consider..

[@johnfreeman9766]

I like Joe. I'd love for him to come to Christ.

[@zapazap]

I love Joe and I love Joey. Joe Rogan and Joey Diaz. Both sweethearts. Would love to spend eternity with them.

[@baruchevenezra7279]

He doesn't say silent because he's referring to biological life forms not spirits. Strawman questions.

[@G2C777]

I've always been confused at why Christians are opposed to the concept of aliens. As I understand it, it isn't prohibited by scripture. As far as we know, God could have created other creatures on the other end of the galaxy. 🤷‍♂️ But to be fair, if you see it all from a Christian perspective, it 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 honestly make more sense if these were spiritual beings. I just get confused at why people( mainly Christians) get defensive at the possibility of life forms in other parts of the universe. But on a side note, If anyone's interested the guy Joe is talking to is actually a comedian. nate bargatze. Most of his stuff is actually fairly clean if anyone wants to check it out.

[@rollingrockink1]

Aliens aren't real, some people still have growing up to do.

[@zapazap]

Does this mean you are certain that there is no microbial life on Europa? Or by 'Aliens' do you mean something more akin to 'little green men' than microbial life? What say you? Cheers! :)

[@soulascribe]

Would love to have your response to these two at around minute 20.

[@friedricengravy6646]

Science fiction read?? Similar to other beliefs formed by stories which have no supportive evidence, what is considered fiction, such as the Bible.

[@winstonsol8713]

“A narrative driven by the movies he’s watched…” There isn’t just one narrative in movies. Conservatively put, there’s an alien movie for hundreds of wildly different scenarios. Coming out of the gate dismissing Rogan’s movie reference as a “source” rather than a loose, breezy simile smacks of bias, not objectivity. It’s like me saying my favorite place on earth is Yosemite and then being told, “you only say that because the earth presents you with rocks and trees.” Sure…it also presents…everything else. The movie reference isn’t a source, it’s a quick and breezy means of saying, “this thought, not that other thought.” If I have a complicated idea, I could spend five minutes detailing it, or, acknowledging our shared culture, I can loosely summate that idea in three seconds by referencing a movie, and then spend the surplus time getting on with the conversation. If I’m giving directions to my house to somebody who lives in my town, I’m not going to exhaustively describe the turnpike. I’m going to breezily handwave the turnpike and hope the person I’m talking to isn’t so obsessed with my being already wrong that they quibble with me about turnpike descriptions. It gets even worse when he accuses Rogan of using an idea based on “our generation’s cosmology.” Again, because he wants Rogan to be wrong, he misses the purpose of the simile and argues about the turnpike. The idea in The Abyss that Rogan is referencing is, “They’re already among us.” This isn’t a new idea. This idea has been around for thousands of years. But because you want him to be wrong, you’ve deliberately ignored the purpose of the reference in exchange for the insignificant details of how that idea was communicated. In other words, you’re quibbling over the turnpike description because you don’t actually want directions.

[@LawlessNate]

Joe seems convinced that aliens must exist. How did he come to this conclusion? Did he look at the data and consider it carefully? If he had then he probably would think aliens almost certainly don't exist. So why is Joe so convinced that aliens exist? Movies. Movies and other stories made by man.

[@Yesica1993]

But they're almost always based in the narrative of evolution / there is no God. That's the underlying assumption. I'm a huge X-Files fan from back in the day. The whole premise of the show was two FBI agents, a believer and a skeptic, investigating paranormal phenomena. Mulder was willing to believe any explanation for the case at hand - aliens, monsters, Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, even demons. But he'd outright dismiss anything having to do with God. That was a point of contention at times with Scully. She was raised Catholic. And, at least in earlier seasons, she still had somewhat of a belief in God. Some of the eps where she was struggling with her faith in that way and their conversations/disagreement made for thought provoking TV. It's one of the reasons I loved the show. I appreciated that they mostly treated the subject with respect. Though, wow, they were clueless at times and even got Bible passages wrong. I can somewhat excuse the earlier seasons since it was the late 90s and the internet was not quite what it is today. But can you ask your grandma for a Bible to make sure the passage/citation is correct before you have an actor/actress say the lines, film it and put it out there forever? Sheesh!

[@winstonsol8713]

@@LawlessNate You addressed nothing I wrote.

[@christopher-si9kv]

​@@LawlessNate listen to his interviews with Bob Lazar and David Fravor and it'll show that he is basing their existence on reputable events and testimonies

[@LawlessNate]

@@winstonsol8713 Because you're missing the point.

[@gi169]

This is for the AL Gore rhythm - inventor of the interwebs and climate profit.

[@CornerTalker]

Why don't we say unknown electro-magnetic phenomena?

[@rosefortheKing]

Ben elohim. 😊

[@philblagden]

Sometime I wonder if the doctrine/theory of evolution is the "strong delusion" spoken of in 2nd Thessalonians 2:11 that causes men to believe the lie. The acceptance of this lie within Christendom has done great damage and undoubtedly led to multiple denominations becoming liberal in their views of scripture and the apostacy of millions. Great analysis here from Doug. He identifies Rogan's spiritual beliefs that inform his interpretation of cosmology.

[@DM-dk7js]

There is no doctrine of evolution.

[@philblagden]

@@DM-dk7js It's a belief system for sure. The way it is presented and taught generally is extremely dishonest. From the way it is defined to the examples used to promote it.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@philblagden nope. It isn’t. It’s a theory. Not a belief system.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@philblagden and furthermore there’s absolutely nothing dishonest about how it’s taught. The theory of evolution is a FACT, after all.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@philblagden you’re talking to an ignorant atheist. He’s responding to your facts with propaganda

[@joelcruz7166]

👌

[@daleflix]

Right the doctrine of evolution is the key thing here. I have often commented in the debate about evolution that if evolution was true then world would have to be like the Mos Eisley cantina scene in Star Wars . With every imaginable combination of creatures acting intelligently for better and worse.

[@DM-dk7js]

There is no DOCTRINE of evolution. It’s the THEORY of evolution. And it’s true. Covid….to make a recent example….is proof of the theory of evolution.

[@callending]

"Human Adopt-All": a person or personality that really has no firm worldview, because open-mindedness about all things is considered virtuous by world standards. No absolute truth means anything goes, and a larger paycheck as a result.

[@genemyersmyers6710]

Hey joe have you ever heard of lucifer ?

[@zapazap]

I don't think he is here. Have you considered asking him on his podcast comment thread!

[@adamperez8555]

Man I would love to see Pastor Doug take Rogan on. I don’t think he’s got the guts, or the integrity.

[@zapazap]

I see you peacock.

[@DevinOngo]

How we fill in the blanks like writing a story with words in school was a wonderful example of bias.

[@leightonhall6938]

I like Doug but sometimes I think he strawmans too much

[@shawnstephens6795]

I'm a bible believing Christian. BUT...almost everything Doug is saying...could be applied to why we believe in Jesus and how we got the New Testament.

[@squrpion]

That's not true at all.

[@shawnstephens6795]

@@squrpion ...at all???...maybe a little bit

[@cosmictreason2242]

No not at all

[@shawnstephens6795]

@@cosmictreason2242 ...explain.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Make your case

[@888Winkler]

This UFO and alien stuff are spiritual beings, demons or fallen angels.

[@user-eg2jr8dt1j]

I'm sorry, but if the hill you want to die on is in insisting that the earth is surrounded by a firmament dome, then you've lost your intellectual integrity.

[@cosmictreason2242]

Doug is not a flat earther

[@stormhawk31]

It's a presuppositional thing. Joe begins from the presupposition that God DOESN'T exist, and he then views the world, and interprets the evidence, through that lens. So arguing evidence with him would be pointless, because we do not have a common starting point. He has to first be shown that his presuppositions are wrong before he can see clearly, and THAT is a job that only the Holy Spirit can accomplish, even if the best apologist in the world was working on him.

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

You are correct. However, both JR and DW are both in the same antigod/antibible/antichrist religion, so they are on an equal footing. They both have as their religion the Godless world religion of scientism. DW just pretends to be a Christian.

[@stormhawk31]

@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 What makes you say that about Doug Wilson?

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@stormhawk31 ,....Because that is what the truth is. DW is of the church and the churches christianity. The churches christianity is the religion of scientism in disguise, it is not the Christianity of Jesus and the Bible. Scientism is the one world religion and is the false religion that the entire church sells as Christianity. The religion of scientism does not care if one wants call themselves a Christian, an atheist, a buddist, a muslim, hindu, new ager, mormon, catholic, etc. They are all under the authority of the one world religion of scientism. The only ones that stand apart are the actual Christians. And actual Christians have nothing whatsoever to do with anything called the church or any other manmade religion. God has separated (sanctified) those who belong to him. Everyone snared into every church is in reality in the Godless worlds religion of scientism, not Christianity as they have all been deceived to believe.

[@stormhawk31]

@@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436 I'm not sure what you're talking about, but the Bible tells us not to neglect the gathering of the saints (going to church). While it's true that there are many bad churches out there (including one I recently heard about in NYC that had drag shows in the church), there are also many good churches. And just as being a member of a given denomination doesn't guarantee being a good church, it also doesn't guarantee being a bad one. What I will say, though, is that it doesn't seem that you quite understand what scientism is.

[@zapazap]

Evidence can change presuppositions. I have that on good authority. Cheers! :)

[@GodsServant543]

I always find the idea that aliens would have to be superior to humans hilarious… why is that the base assumption??? Now they’re keeping us alive🤦🏾‍♂️. The justification for atheistic ideologies are sad and hilarious 🤣🤣🤣

[@DM-dk7js]

That’s the assumption because if they can travel to our planet with ease, bending and manipulating the laws of physics as we know it-they must be more advanced than us.

[@GodsServant543]

@@DM-dk7js There’s no way to know if they can do it with ease or not lol. Not to mention the base assumption of their existence based on weak phenomenon and the idea that they’re more advanced but they don’t hate us🤣🤣🤣. It’s so convenient.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@GodsServant543 obviously. My point remains tho. We observe UFOs defy the laws of physics. So, assuming UFOs are alien life, they would necessarily HAVE to be more advanced than us. Ya know, since humans can’t defy the laws of physics. And UFOs do. It’s not that complex. It’s really straight forward. And obviously this is all an assumption. But we’re going off what we observe about UFOs. And if aliens are operating them, they are definitely more advanced than us.

[@DM-dk7js]

@@GodsServant543 you asked why that’s the assumption. I explained why. You’re welcome. Now you know.

[@GodsServant543]

@@DM-dk7js I’m not sure what evidence we’re using for defying the laws of physics, and different or more capable based on materials from a different universe or planet doesn’t necessarily equal more mentally and socially advanced. But I get your point.

[@jasonsloan9526]

Remember when the Bible could be proven false because scientists could count only 3,000 stars in the sky? Maybe one day we will see these angelic or demonic beings as clearly as we can now see the expanding universe.

[@justanotherbaptistjew5659]

Satan is the “prince of the power of the air” after all.

[@DM-dk7js]

Things aren’t proven false. They’re either proven to be true or they lack evidence.

[@cosmictreason2242]

False proof is a a thing

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

That's not possible because the Bible is clear on the fact that angels and demons cannot be seen by the human eye because they are spirit beings. The only time anyone has ever seen an angel is because the angel revealed themselves to the person.

[@zapazap]

I don't remember that.

[@whtstr2133]

Aliens are of "the prince of the air". The restrainer holds them back. The celestials run them off (orbs of light). It's crazy stuff. If it wasn't for the Bible, I wouldn't even think they were evil, even though their works prove otherwise.

[@zapazap]

Are you using the word 'alien' in a sense that would include microbial life in Europa should it be found?

[@whtstr2133]

@@zapazap Ooo, fireball question, thanks. Strangely enough, yes. Moreover, the Bible does state...that the animal kingdom will also be judged by God at final judgement. Even the sky, clouds, stars and everything. We are even to minister to "every living thing"... (I'm still grinding on the concepts myself, but I have been for a few years now) However, those particular ones...those "greys" are straight evil by their fruits. They're analytical and meticulous and totally heartless, and have never shown any concepts of love or compassion. Just because we humans can be fascinated by it doesn't make it right. But there are the balls of light, who literally run the grey's off, who've shone nothing but curiosity and benevolence. I don't claim to really know Anything really, it is tragically "out of my pay grade" and beyond my understanding. I have studied the videos for fifteen years, but that was...eight years ago, so that's all the "credentials" I come from...diddly sqatt (meaningless worthlessness) There are deep spots in the Bible. Too deep to go without prayer and supplication. Even then, some of it goes further. We learn not on our own understanding.

[@fredkaper8402]

Hey unrelated question but I want to know when should a Christian get mental help?

[@zapazap]

By and large the same as anyone. When they feel they need it, or when loved ones express concern. Is this helpful? (This is a question that can easily be asked in bad faith, but I will presume you are asking in good faith ) What say you?

[@Lukandon]

My mother genuinely believes in aliens because she follows people who claim to have met them like Dr Steven Greer and she watches weird videos with unnatural sounding voices who claim to be the aliens in question. None of what I heard from them sound biblical. My mother even has an unhealthy obsession with the topic, to the point where she uses an eisgesis approach with John 14:2 by interpreting "rooms" or "mansions" as "galaxies".

[@Yesica1993]

Pray for her. Some of this stuff is outright demonic.

[@Lukandon]

@@Yesica1993 I pray for her salvation nearly every day. She also follows the New Age and she's a member of the Bahai Faith. I'm glad I left her beliefs and started following Christ in 2020.

[@Yesica1993]

@@Lukandon Amen! I am sure it can't be easy. Lord Jesus, break through the darkness and show her how evil these things are. Protect her. May she turn to You.

[@sarahr6571]

@@Lukandon no up