Joe Rogan on Michael Jackson's Early Career and Unmanageable Fame - Kim Congdon & Sara Weinshenk

[@andrewsmith6983]

I never understood why people compare Michael and Elvis. Black people, Spanish People, Indian People, Oriental people, African tribal people all know and love and imitate MJ. White people love Elvis.

[@iykeharrison9161]

It's white Americans and Hollywood that are pushing and promoting Elvis so much. Outside of the US, the UK and maybe Australia, I don't think Elvis was that huge. But go anywhere in the world and mention Michael and people gasp.

[@fartunyep4501]

Exactly!! They think they are the center of the world 😂 elvis has nothing on michael

[@arohtv8108]

Africans are not tribal, what is wrong with u ?

[@TG-sd3yf]

Elvis is massive in Japan

[@emmitbrown5631]

I remember hearing that Michael held that guy, because he was afraid the fan would fall off. That lift was pretty high up.

[@ybg3197]

He was trying so hard to avoid a lawsuit 💀 and this kid was just having the time of his life

[@xabun]

He surpassed elvis when MJ was in his early 20s

[@ComeAlongKay]

I mean I guess if you’re insane that could be something you’d think. No one suppressed Elvis. People say Elvis copied stuff when literally all of Jackson was a copy of Fred Astaire and even his biggest dance move wasn’t his. Writing was the only original thing he did and even one of his biggest hits human nature he didn’t write. Jackson was riddled with surgery and built like a twig, Elvis was like angelically beautiful and didn’t need surgery to achieve that. Elvis had more stage presence with the flu than Jackson on his best day.

[@vendetta0770]

@@ComeAlongKay Elvis had more stage presente with the flu than Jackson on his best day??? What?? Bro Michael was another level...

[@User-xysopwyzaq]

Mj is better and a bigger artist than Elvis there’s no debate

[@AC-mp7cx]

MJ wasnt even remotely just a copy of Astaire, he was so many dancers in one, Elvis's BUILD? dont even start lol@@ComeAlongKay

[@trojantony195]

@@ComeAlongKayyou need a podcast with that nonsense

[@DaleMiller-km4fn]

Michael Jackson never harmed anyone

[@deadseagull-xf3lk]

Moving into regular families homes, changing their lives, addicting them to his lifestyle and fame and then dumping them when bored? Even if SA didn't occur, you think it's cool that MJ lived in peoples houses like a weird 80s sitcom?

[@abdull1574]

@@deadseagull-xf3lk dont forget that jackson let people stay in his home when he wasnt there. they usedf his credit card. even when he didnt know.

[@santiagokiwi3187]

Ah cool. Not ok for him to make friends and then distance himself when they get too greedy and start leeching. Got it.

[@tmbrad1288]

Michael was WAY bigger than Elvis.

[@vendetta0770]

Yes Michael was way bigger than Elvis around the world.

[@juliancediel7107]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@bigolebot]

​@@juliancediel7107you can laugh but facts are facts

[@juliancediel7107]

​@@bigolebotI am laughing at those facts yes😂😂😂😂😂

[@bigolebot]

@@juliancediel7107 but why? He out sold him, broke his record many times lol. You be wrong if it helps I guess

[@EverSerpa29]

People need to know the difference between allegations and convictions.

[@iykeharrison9161]

By the way, allegations that were never proven in a court of law despite years of thorough investigations.

[@itsjustnaima]

@@iykeharrison9161a decade long Investigation by the FBI lol absolutely wild how people still believe these allegations

[@DaleMiller-km4fn]

The most famous person ever. The King

[@Maesaefr436]

I don’t like when he compare Michael to Elvis, Michael is the GOAT, it’s the truth and people should except it.

[@ComeAlongKay]

Yeah you not liking it doesn’t mean it’s not true. Elvis was way beyond Jackson, Jackson took most of his look and how he moved from from Fred Astaire and even his biggest dance move wasn’t made by him and even one of his biggest hits human nature he didn’t write. Elvis also looked extremely beautiful without needing all the surgery Jackson got until he barely had a face. Also Elvis established what even being a pop star was it didn’t even exist before him. There’s Elvis and then there’s Jackson it’s the truth and you need to just accept that.

[@ComeAlongKay]

I think you’ve been more exposed to Jackson because he came later and had the use of the internet and many other things to publicizes himself. Jackson didn’t come close to Elvis’s level of charisma and power in performing. Jackson was good certainly extremely good but Elvis was just a force of nature in terms of stage presence voice all of it.

[@Maesaefr436]

@@ComeAlongKay Elvis is actually 10 feet under Michael.

[@Maryamrahman124]

@@ComeAlongKaylol you either blind or joking, elvis is nothing compared to MJ. Period.

[@MarkoTiano]

​@ComeAlongKay Dude what are you talking about? Elvis only performed in USA, MJ performed all over the planet, universally known as the most famous being of all time. And, Elvis stole many songs from different rock and roll artists. I admire Elvis but MJ actually written his own songs, to say Elvis is anything close to MJ is utter nonsense. America may agree with you but world would highly disagree with you, highly.

[@Imkicelee]

No diss to Elvis I think he’s great. But Michael Jackson is WAAY bigger than Elvis, and it’s not even close. I don’t think there’s any celebrity who’s had that level of fame, not even now.

[@ComeAlongKay]

Yeah that isn’t a fair comparison like at all. Elvis never left America he barely had the tv to use when he started. Jackson didn’t get more famous due to anything besides he had more publicity. I mean the Kardashians are very famous doesn’t mean they’re better than other celebrities. Elvis was as massive as he was without even leaving America and he’s still an icon, Jackson had longer to become famous has the internet and television at a wider level and he traveled everywhere and still Elvis even without doing all of that was so big that people are comparing and trying to figure out who was bigger. If Elvis had had the same level of publicity and technology like the internet and he’d traveled so much to every continent basically and started at like eight he’d have been orders of magnitude more famous than Jackson. He had a fraction of the technology to spread his name and traveled to a fraction of the places to perform and people are still comparing the two. In comparison to the amount of places visited and the tech used to spread stuff Elvis was more famous.

[@Mone333Williams]

Put MJ..Elvis or Beyonce autograph on a 50 cent dollar store pencil and see which one sells the fastest and for the most. I bet MJ pencil makes 100s of millions within mins. U see ppl complaining about paying $500+ dollars to see Beyonce in concert and she works HARD but if Michael charged that much ppl would take their gold teeth out for a ticket. There is no one on earth besides his holiness the spirit of GOD that is more known/famous than Michael Jackson

[@bigolebot]

​@@ComeAlongKaythe internet wasn't even a thing during Michaels heyday so no.

[@abdull1574]

@@ComeAlongKay thing is elvis wasnt multi cultural like mj, pop rock soul disco funk r and b hip hop he did it all,, and his dancing is another convo

[@athomp2006]

@@ComeAlongKay Love early Elvis but its not even close. Not saying MJ is better but he was without doubt much much bigger.

[@painethepoet4481]

Now THATS the King …

[@ComeAlongKay]

They were considered kings of different things but in terms of who’s the best and who’s the first it’s Elvis. Dude had more stage presence and presentation with the flu than Jackson ever had. Elvis also didn’t need like eight hundred surgeries to be as beautiful as he was.

[@painethepoet4481]

@@ComeAlongKay are you out of your mind Elvis couldn’t do ONE thing that Mike could … not one … Elvis moves were terrible … he was uncoordinated as hell … get outta here with that trash lol

[@andrewsmith6983]

@ComeAlongKay fascinating comment. Elvis never jumped out 10 feet in the air from beneath the stage and just stand still for 5 minutes in front of 70,000 frantically excited people for a whole year in 5 different countries. That's the first 5 minutes of his show every night. Stage presence doesn't get any more intense than that. Michael has the greatest stage presence of all time. Elvis had charm for days that allowed him to be relatable on stage. That is a great gift and I get good vibes seeing his shows and his charm. MJ gave me goosebumps. He changed the molecules in the room when he was on the stage.

[@avidfather1864]

He was truly the Mozart of our time, in both the good ways and the bad ways.

[@uberfeel]

Bad ways in how ?

[@eho6380]

​@@uberfeelMasturbating while talking to kids on the phone

[@uberfeel]

@@eho6380 you know that is false right?

[@DwainWilsonJr]

​@@eho6380 That wasn't real 😂

[@ComeAlongKay]

Um no, I mean he was talented but if anyone was a Mozart or Beethoven of our time it’s Brian Wilson. Also who knows if anything Sid about any celebrity is true. I’m a bigger Elvis fan but I wouldn’t just throw Jackson under the bus and say he did all this stuff because media and people said so.

[@kimberlyketer8924]

It was a fan who jumped on the crane and Michael had to hold so that he does not injure himself

[@Urboiji]

Elvis was only big in the us Mj was known around the world

[@juicyjames9558]

Why do they always have to bring up the bs someway somehow..

[@krielsavino5368]

good point

[@rorigillmore1233]

i mean, mj had jesus fame

[@ComeAlongKay]

Yeah he wasn’t as famous as Jesus but he was famous. But he had a radical head start on Elvis he was forced into the life very young and Elvis is as iconic and still iconic as he is wihtout even leaving America. Jackson is only more famous now and he barely is really because he had the internet and traveled to every place many times. He had greater publicity. Elvis barely had tv when he started and he was still seen by like half of entire nations on television he took over so fast.

[@Mone333Williams]

​@@ComeAlongKayno blasphemy but it's true in 2024 more ppl know Michael Jackson more than Jesus. When I was in 3rd grade a Vietnamese girl told me she never heard of Jesus or a Messiah. She knows Buddha and Micheal Jackson. I'll never forget that. She said that in lunch and I was her friend until her parents put her in a suburban school the next yr.

[@phillipsrandal]

he's probably in a basement right now working for Samsung chained to a wall😂😂😂😂

[@albertomontoto7703]

It wasn't staged

[@darbyheavey406]

MJ and Elvis….be careful what you wish for…

[@TabsT-vy5jy]

Even that guy got second hand fame

[@mrironlunglungzielungzietv6697]

They bullied mj badly man he would have created even more great art had he not been abused by the media so constantly yea they apologise now and its nit as bad but u can't forget what they did to him man it was horrible look at ev thing up to bad amazing even dangerous then the tour he became so big it's hard to explain to people how big mj was how good he was as an artist etc even if wr could hav3 gotten one more vid on the level of bad or thriller or black n white or something and wr would have if they didn't ev time he came bk start again with the b s and by the time it was seeing down too late for the album to do what it would have n u can see the timeliness there all there to look at so calculated even at the end he's own label that he even owned half of was plotting against him cos he's album not doing so well let them wait to give him bk he's master recordings a couple more years because they brought in so much money they still would have had to give them bk it jus goes to show how mj wasn't broke he could nit spend n pay bk any debt in 6 months that's the truth but they called him broke lol ev one who's rich lives on credit b3cuse u cam live a level wven above what u are with credit anyone who's seen money knows that

[@roymarksberry4152]

They owe everything to their dad

[@skillet9141]

🫤

[@Timbo360]

@@skillet9141 such a weird simplistic take, amirite?

[@BLACULA-Skeewoah]

@timbo360

[@ayaanbretmitchell9830]

No they don't at all.

[@Omar_E11]

​@ayaanbretmitchell9830 Their fame? Sure Joseph was an abusive prick, but even Michael Jackson himself owes his fame to his pops. He said that all the time.

[@ComeAlongKay]

If Elvis had had the same level of publicity and technology like the internet and he’d traveled so much to every continent basically and started at like eight he’d have been orders of magnitude more famous than Jackson. He had a fraction of the technology to spread his name and traveled to a fraction of the places to perform and people are still comparing the two. In comparison to the amount of places visited and the tech used to spread stuff Elvis was more famous.

[@Darkknight9035]

yeah no lol, no one coming to the level of fame mj had and still has... and he didn't have internet at his height of fame, and no one really compares them like that anymore anyway, mj is miles clear in terms of fame and popularity

[@haider2006]

@@Darkknight9035nah ur waffling Muhammad Ali is better lmao

[@deadseagull-xf3lk]

Michael Jackson had two phases of his adult career. Badass synth-rock pop god who could do no wrong, and grown ass 30 something warbling creepy songs about his 'Childhood' and saving the world. People front on how die hard they were, but back in the day people were 'wtf' when it came to a lot of themes in his mid to later work. People remember (and still bump) OTW and Thriller, with Bad beginning the decline and Dangerous really highlighting that he was starting to repeat himself. Prince meanwhile never let himself get stagnant, he just never had hits as big as Michael did in his early 20's.

[@Fighttilltheend0136]

Wtf are you talking about creepy 😂 bro the song literally explains how his and the brothers were non existent

[@ayaanbretmitchell9830]

Prince didn't release nothing in 90s really Muppet

[@excelsior31107]

I don't know if it's true or not, someone who had a death experience then came back to life said that he saw many artists in hell including Michael Jackson.

[@marcuslloyd8218]

Yeah right

[@pat0583]

bunch of bs from that guy

[@CodeOne-ny7uk]

I cannot confirm it or deny it.

[@MarkoTiano]

Yeah bulshit, Mj was innocent

[@sorceress1986]

Well, that sounds like bull. oh but "someone"?!? My, we should pay attention for "someone"!