Joe Scarborough: Democratic Primary Is Rigged

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@TheCloveart
@TheCloveart 8 жыл бұрын
Crazy how Ben threw a little shade John's way... 14:20 "not that well, apparently." Kind of a dick move, Ben.
@LastTestament
@LastTestament 8 жыл бұрын
+TheCloveart Ben is a hillary shill, look at his parents.
@Sing620hff
@Sing620hff 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah she'd be ahead but not by 2.4 million fukin votes Ben.
@mquijada6276
@mquijada6276 8 жыл бұрын
Don't know why I found that part funny lol
@Spencer-sb7yd
@Spencer-sb7yd 8 жыл бұрын
+TheCloveart Ben, shill for hill and also apparently a snotty child.
@AdamTebbe
@AdamTebbe 8 жыл бұрын
+Spencer Fain He's that guy everyone knew in school who THOUGHT he was smartest in the room. People who don't know any better come in these comments to echo that (possibly Ben sock-puppets lol).
@nycnhb
@nycnhb 7 жыл бұрын
Ben should be ashamed of himself for being an apologist for Super Delegates.
@TheRLification
@TheRLification 8 жыл бұрын
Ben, you're right that Bernie would be way behind if they were all primaries but if they were all OPEN primaries, that would be a different story.
@kjhuang
@kjhuang 8 жыл бұрын
1. Boy did Ben miss the point. The point is that the superdelegates ARE the "rigged" part!!! So saying that's it's inaccurate to report the 11-7 count as if that were the real count... yes, that's the point they're making!! 2. Wyoming was not a primary as Ben said; it was a caucus. 3. If you're gonna argue that Bernie only does well because of caucuses, then on the flip side I can say that Hillary is only doing as well as she is because she got a decent start with the Iowa CAUCUS (Bernie may well have won the popular vote there but we'll never know) and then she got a boost with the Nevada CAUCUS. Whereas Bernie's crushing wins in the last several caucuses appear to be giving him no momentum going into New York. So it cuts both ways.
@TheUltimateRage
@TheUltimateRage 8 жыл бұрын
+Kenneth Huang Add on top of that the fact that SOOOOOO many people's registration status have been magically switched, preventing them from even being able to vote in closed primaries, super early voter registration deadlines like in NY (deadline was in OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR!!!), the media giving Bernie such little coverage compared to all the other candidates, Bill Clinton's electioneering, oh, and that pesky little incident of Voter *FRAUD* that happened in AZ. This whole entire election has been rigged from the start!
@kjhuang
@kjhuang 8 жыл бұрын
+nmryda Yup, definitely all those issues need to be discussed more, including at the debates.
@mango4ttwo635
@mango4ttwo635 7 жыл бұрын
Ben's outrage is just a symptom of his utter bias. Fine, you want Clinton to win. But to attempt to justify this and call out Scarborough for misreporting is fatuous
@sademiranda3722
@sademiranda3722 8 жыл бұрын
6 months later, they think it's ridiculous if Trump says the same thing.
@nath8282
@nath8282 8 жыл бұрын
even after video proof, with democrat contractors getting fired, confessing to this and voter fraud. Amazing.
@MrtrapLive
@MrtrapLive 7 жыл бұрын
Was definitely rigged
@djrandyp9226
@djrandyp9226 8 жыл бұрын
Ben's ability to start an argument and the hold on to every piece of it as its falling apart while John debunks it is unprecedented, all the while not really answering Anna's question. Ben Blows. In the way a republican debate can be funny or suck the life out of you and turn you off from politics, that's what Ben does. Clean up, go home.
@crocopde
@crocopde 7 жыл бұрын
OMG holy shit this is insane. So much corruption.
@LouisMenotti
@LouisMenotti 8 жыл бұрын
Rigged!
@iNexTTx
@iNexTTx 8 жыл бұрын
Rigged!
@ferasalhati8713
@ferasalhati8713 8 жыл бұрын
RIGGED!!!!!!
@thebigphenom
@thebigphenom 8 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Savoy m8 you just said it lol. don't play yourself!
@bft_neelix3862
@bft_neelix3862 8 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Savoy Well, lets see, I majored in political science, been following politics since age 16. I'm 31 now. I'm not new, but I'm saying rigged. Uhh.. he beats her by over 10 points, she loses decisively and somehow gets MORE delegates than he does? Invest in a dictionary rig2riɡ/verbpast tense: rigged; past participle: riggedmanage or conduct (something) fraudulently so as to produce a result or situation that is advantageous to a particular person.
@luisf7105
@luisf7105 8 жыл бұрын
+Matthew Savoy BULLSHIT!
@petersz98
@petersz98 8 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with one man , one vote? No delegates, no super delegates!
@lastguyminn2324
@lastguyminn2324 8 жыл бұрын
I'm struggling to come to terms with the fact that I agreed with Joe Scarborough for 20 seconds.
@williamolsen20
@williamolsen20 7 жыл бұрын
The problem with the super delegates is that from what I understand Hillary garnered their votes long before the election, and it seems undemocratic to me. I have known about super delegates for a long time. I will still vote I am not ever going to stop voting, but I can understand why people feel their vote does not matter. Maybe super delegates have historically not effected elections, but they are now probably the reason Trump got elected.
@veronikatothova2307
@veronikatothova2307 8 жыл бұрын
How can be America called DEMOCRATIC ??? I just don't understand .
@hatchibyebye
@hatchibyebye 8 жыл бұрын
Officially TIRED of Ben now.
@MobiusPeverell
@MobiusPeverell 8 жыл бұрын
"If Wyoming was a caucus?" Wyoming was a caucus, Ben...
@TJPancakes
@TJPancakes 8 жыл бұрын
Congrats Ben you completely changed the topic away from a corrupt system to talking about how bernie is losing.
@ClintDenman37
@ClintDenman37 8 жыл бұрын
12:28 Ben calls Wyoming a Primary when it was a caucus.... and then throws shade about not paying attention to politics at 14:18.... The audacity is astounding..
8 жыл бұрын
The guy in the middle is a Hillary voter through and through. Wants to get a point across, so he does it by being the biggest dick on the planet and not even really explaining himself. Then he childishly insults him after they've moved on showing that being a smug dickbag was more important to him than actually educating anyone or getting anything done. Same as what they're doing across the nation to bernie supporters.
@vprlac
@vprlac 8 жыл бұрын
I like it when Ben is with them,he calls out all bias crap they like to fly arround
@sonyipod
@sonyipod 8 жыл бұрын
AGREE
@AdamTebbe
@AdamTebbe 8 жыл бұрын
+Vedran Prlac Nah. He is intolerant of dissent, arrogant and comes off as a know-it-all. His personality is like a scraping sound on a chalkboard. He's always advocating a lower standard of ethics in politics and subtly supports the establishment.
@Ackeeglock
@Ackeeglock 8 жыл бұрын
+sonyipod So true. I love this channel but they complain about other's biases when they are completely bias. At least they recognize they are.
@Rosannasfriend
@Rosannasfriend 8 жыл бұрын
Too bad he was wrong . Just because super delegates have always been there doesn't make it ok and Hillary is winning not just because she does better in primaries but because states that favor her went first .
@THEEVANTHETOON
@THEEVANTHETOON 8 жыл бұрын
+Vedran Prlac I mean, it's nice that there's a contrary opinion the panel, but most of the time, he seems to be grasping at straws to come up with a coherent argument.
@jamieg2427
@jamieg2427 8 жыл бұрын
Ben's "Not that well, apparently" insult to John at 14:21 was unprofessional and disgraceful. I expect a public apology. I agree with Ben's point here and feel John was being completely unrealistic. Even so, Ben speaks of no one taking the higher ground. How true, Ben; you really showed us how low the lower ground goes. It's exceedingly rare that I post to KZbin, but this *really* rubbed me the wrong way.
@ClayTortoise
@ClayTortoise 8 жыл бұрын
+James G You're watching TYT man, these are real people having a real debate. Disagreements are imminent and emotions are expected to come into effect. John knows this and Ben knows this so don't be so dramatic.
@r1xx0n
@r1xx0n 8 жыл бұрын
+Lachlan Evans-McKenzie You lose credibility in an argument when u get emotional like Ben did. I agree with James, it's honestly unprofessional. Arguing is normal, passive aggressive comments like that are childish.
@Rosannasfriend
@Rosannasfriend 8 жыл бұрын
Right, he was letting his frustration control his reactions to John.
@ClayTortoise
@ClayTortoise 8 жыл бұрын
***** Alright yeah, and they probably had that conversation off camera. But a public apology? He's not apologising to you. Jeez, there are so many more important things to be talking about than some fleeting slanderous comment.
@thatsnotagoodidea
@thatsnotagoodidea 8 жыл бұрын
New York Please show up and vote for Bernie. The small states said yes Bernie. You are big give us a hand.
@DylanDaVillian1
@DylanDaVillian1 8 жыл бұрын
I live in NY and I know a lot of Bernie supporters, he's pulling crowds all over the state. He's down in the polls but I think he should do well. There's currently a bill in the NY Senate that would make NY an open primary.
@thatsnotagoodidea
@thatsnotagoodidea 8 жыл бұрын
DylanDaVillian I was at the Idaho caucus. In ADA county it was the largest caucus in the History of the Republic. I was there for 9 hours. We had lines going over city blocks. Do not give up and do not give in!
@Herb615
@Herb615 8 жыл бұрын
The "These are the rules" remark at 1:43 made me cringe. It's basically the same argument anyone makes whenever they have absolutely no argument in defending the status quo.
@andreaskarlsson5251
@andreaskarlsson5251 8 жыл бұрын
+Herb615 To be fair to him(and Im completely against these rules) he did say that he didnt like them either and that only the president could change them(dunno if thats true?)
@DeanOnRS
@DeanOnRS 8 жыл бұрын
14:22 "Not that well apparently." Ben throwing his toys out of his pram because John questioned his point of view? Childish and unnecessary comment. I believe an apology should be made to John.
@Savannah-
@Savannah- 8 жыл бұрын
It's time to get rid of superdelegates.
@Guernicaman
@Guernicaman 8 жыл бұрын
+지설 - It's time to get rid of the electoral college. You want to call yourself a democracy? Go the popular vote route. If you don't, you can't call yourself a democracy, America.
@gevdarg
@gevdarg 6 жыл бұрын
If they have superdelegates come 2020...I'm OUT!!
@nasem7470
@nasem7470 8 жыл бұрын
The American people shouldn't stand for this. This is not democracy.
@zzendawgie
@zzendawgie 8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic conversation!! I love that it wasn't agreeable and planned. Thank you for thorough journalism
@Allen1773
@Allen1773 8 жыл бұрын
The Democratic primary is the least Democratic.
@probusexcogitatoris736
@probusexcogitatoris736 8 жыл бұрын
Ben should learn that screaming is not an argument. I seriously can't remember the last time he actually made sense.
@NormanZealandMalana
@NormanZealandMalana 7 жыл бұрын
Now make a "Joe Scarborough Was Right" video
@Khannea
@Khannea 8 жыл бұрын
This is disgusting. I am perplexed americans don't violently protest on a near-constant basis.
@TheMegalusDoomslayer
@TheMegalusDoomslayer 8 жыл бұрын
Why is Ben prone to having aneurysms?
@squreshi8413
@squreshi8413 8 жыл бұрын
Props to John for keeping his mouth shut at the end. Sometimes it's better to sit back and let ppl mess themselves up. That last comment was SO unprofessional, if Cenk was here he would've kept all these ppl in line
@jfrorn
@jfrorn 8 жыл бұрын
She's ahead because Southern states went first.
@TCt83067695
@TCt83067695 7 жыл бұрын
ben always defending the establishment
@markdavey8142
@markdavey8142 7 жыл бұрын
You can try all you want to explain this away... the important thing is that Democrat party is disintegrating.
@starlock11
@starlock11 8 жыл бұрын
The establishment will not let go. Power needs to be wrested from them. Power to the people..
@JeffandTaylorComic
@JeffandTaylorComic 8 жыл бұрын
Prove Ben wrong, NY! Have Bernie win your Primary April 19th!!
@SirHatchporch
@SirHatchporch 8 жыл бұрын
Every time I see Ben on the show now he's yelling at the other anchors. Getting tired of it. The primary night where he and Cenk were going at it was downright embarrassing.
@AchAPart
@AchAPart 8 жыл бұрын
Ben is always so angry, and always so wrong
@deveousdevil
@deveousdevil 8 жыл бұрын
+Lyon Knyght i can't stand him. he always interrupts, is always condescending and is so frequently wrong or ignorant on the story.
@buddhika216
@buddhika216 8 жыл бұрын
+Lyon Knyght Yeah he said Wyoming was a primary and used that as an example to make his case but it was a caucus.
@bpredden
@bpredden 8 жыл бұрын
Ben with the serious shade at the end under his breath…I don't know if I could have just let that go
@errtpalvi43
@errtpalvi43 8 жыл бұрын
Please get rid of Ben
@elijahlurton3570
@elijahlurton3570 8 жыл бұрын
Super delegates are an awful concept. Get them out of here.
@fadadioX
@fadadioX 8 жыл бұрын
+Elijah Lurton Out Out OUT!
@fredlaval93
@fredlaval93 8 жыл бұрын
There has been a couple of objective and positive coverage about Bernie Sanders on Morning Joe lately.
@dadadruma
@dadadruma 8 жыл бұрын
+fredlaval93 Betcha that changes after Bernie wins democratic nomination. AND DRASTICALLY MIND YOU!
@fabiansolis7543
@fabiansolis7543 8 жыл бұрын
Dont be fooled, it was talked about to discourage voters by making Hillarys win inevitable which is not true
@llothar68
@llothar68 8 жыл бұрын
+dadadruma Then i dont care. The real election is the democratic primaries, even a blind dog could beat the GOP candidates.
@chadedwards7689
@chadedwards7689 8 жыл бұрын
Ben sounds like my girlfriend when she get's drunk: Me: "Baby, the sky is blue." My girlfriend: "NO IT'S NOT! The sky is definitely BLUE!"
@henriktheestonianicon627
@henriktheestonianicon627 8 жыл бұрын
Ben thinks jon is an idiot and Ana is on the side like "we need to get cenk out of jail"
@Gibson4411
@Gibson4411 8 жыл бұрын
+PowerCircle lmfao
@WMICx
@WMICx 8 жыл бұрын
youre hilarious
@willemdee
@willemdee 8 жыл бұрын
#FreeUygur
@antgil818
@antgil818 8 жыл бұрын
+PowerCircle He got released overnight according to his Twitter account.
@gap949
@gap949 8 жыл бұрын
Can we get a shot of Cenk's face, after they forgot to feed him for a few days in his cell !😁
@ronikessler5652
@ronikessler5652 8 жыл бұрын
Ben comes across really badly here. He is purposely ignoring the issues.
@aaronhoff3280
@aaronhoff3280 8 жыл бұрын
I think it's time for TYT to release Ben from his contract (assuming he has one). He stated, "not that well apparently" to Jon's comment about research, which was incredibly rude and condescending. I'm tired of his attitude, and if I was Jon I be extremely pissed.
@TheLakers2423
@TheLakers2423 8 жыл бұрын
+Aaron Hoff i agree
@Ragitsu
@Ragitsu 8 жыл бұрын
Ben went nuclear assole. Holy shit.
@PureMagma
@PureMagma 8 жыл бұрын
Great summary statement by Ben at 13:30 ...BUT up until that point Ben made this segment nearly unbearable to watch because he was making noise and not letting John make his points. I think this is supposed to be journalism, if I want to watch people stomp on other people's dialog I'd watch daytime soap operas or Judge Judy.
@CampingforCool41
@CampingforCool41 8 жыл бұрын
I don't mind Ben giving counterpoints but damn, at the end when he goes "not that well apparently" to John saying he researches and pays attention- that was really rude. I would have been pissed. Get off your high horse man.
@derekdu7250
@derekdu7250 8 жыл бұрын
+CampingforCool41 i know, i thought all three of them contributed a lot to the discussion. but ben lost me there. like wtf?
@DerekAtHome
@DerekAtHome 8 жыл бұрын
+CampingforCool41 On numerous occasions Ben has gone beyond just disagreement to flat out ad-hominem attacks. Cenk needs to seriously make him cut that stuff out. Disagreement is one thing but personal attacks have no place on a show that considers itself a professional journalism show.
@persie616
@persie616 8 жыл бұрын
+Derek Cormier PREACH
@poland676
@poland676 8 жыл бұрын
Get Jimmy Dore on & this douch Ben off. Jimmy always provides thought provoking analysis of the story of the day.
@urin1337
@urin1337 8 жыл бұрын
I do not like Ben being this unprofessional. John is right and Ben knows it. He needs to stop defending this bullshit.
@JosephNordenbrockartistraction
@JosephNordenbrockartistraction 8 жыл бұрын
Never ever give in to not voting.
@doctormeatball7618
@doctormeatball7618 8 жыл бұрын
Why? Practically speaking, the lone upshot to voting is landing on jury duty. People crying about superdelegates overlook the entrenched futility of an electoral college. Or the Bush/Gore decision. I'd rather see a voter turnout under 10%. When 9 out of 10 people say No, change will begin.
@DocBenson
@DocBenson 8 жыл бұрын
It's official. I am really sick of hearing Ben Mankiewicz talk. He didn't really add anything to your discussion other than volume. Surely TYT can find a more interesting, less self-righteous commentator.
@Kate-Does
@Kate-Does 8 жыл бұрын
+Doc Benson Agreed.
@tamcuatoi
@tamcuatoi 8 жыл бұрын
Nix the dude with the glasses. Low intellect and bad camera persona. Made me not subscribe.
@DJ-ov2it
@DJ-ov2it 8 жыл бұрын
+Gary Vey the dude is coincidentally the co-founder and one of the hosts since ages and will probably not get cut until he gets addicted to crack or something like that. "low intellect" what a bad joke
@antiimperialistparty2190
@antiimperialistparty2190 8 жыл бұрын
He just needs to hit the bong every once in a while
@AndiDuck
@AndiDuck 8 жыл бұрын
John - “Never make excuses. Your friends don't need them and your foes won't believe them.” ― John Wooden
@danielduerst5067
@danielduerst5067 8 жыл бұрын
Nice of you guys to have your own private discussion on a subject that most people will not understand other than to realize that the intent is to prevent us from understanding is an outrage!!
@DannoCrutch
@DannoCrutch 8 жыл бұрын
Definitely rigged. This needs to change.
@lyndseywade7325
@lyndseywade7325 8 жыл бұрын
I don't dislike Ben bc he supports hillary. I think it could be really constructive to see the other side of things. I dislike Ben bc he's condescending and talks to the other like they are children. He isn't respectful to his colleagues and he gets so angry for no reason. It's hard to listen to the substance of his arguments bc his tone is so off putting.
@stevej1287
@stevej1287 8 жыл бұрын
Let's replace Hillary lover Ben with Jimmy.
@bonbadilmoi9325
@bonbadilmoi9325 8 жыл бұрын
i agree, this dude come on my nerve.
@ianbaker672
@ianbaker672 8 жыл бұрын
I'll allow it
@legendofthefall7082
@legendofthefall7082 8 жыл бұрын
JIIIIMMMMMAAAAAYYYYYYY
@DrRocketLauncher
@DrRocketLauncher 8 жыл бұрын
you're just a little bitch who can't handle dissenting views in his safe space. Bens an excellent voice of cynicism
@willemdee
@willemdee 8 жыл бұрын
#FreeUygur
@djb12030
@djb12030 8 жыл бұрын
Ben's hate for John is seething.
@youngatheart5376
@youngatheart5376 8 жыл бұрын
screw the DNC screw Hillary , Bernie Just run as an independent in the general election and you'll win it .
@dlevitt0508
@dlevitt0508 8 жыл бұрын
+Darrell Bernie won't do it he's already promised he wouldn't. Bernie won't go back on his promise it's not in his genetic makeup. So we may have to make him the first write in president in the history of the U.S. Now wouldn't that be a kicker?
@youngatheart5376
@youngatheart5376 8 жыл бұрын
never say never
@dlevitt0508
@dlevitt0508 8 жыл бұрын
Darrell True that sir. Hope you're right. Whatever it takes to kick the establishment in it's ass...I'm in!
@GpD79
@GpD79 8 жыл бұрын
Ben is forgetting about the NH primary: Bernie won 60.4% of the vote while Hillary only won 38%.
@jormungaurd
@jormungaurd 8 жыл бұрын
+GpD79 And there are 24 total delegates for NH. Bernie won 15 delegates which is 60.4% of the total, while Hilary won 9 delegates which is 38% of the total. So your point is what?
@GpD79
@GpD79 8 жыл бұрын
+Jason Norris At 11:10 & 12:18 Ben makes the argument that Bernie can't win big during a primary; however, the NH Primary informs us that he can and has won big during a primary before.
@jormungaurd
@jormungaurd 8 жыл бұрын
GpD79 Ahh okay, I see what you mean.
@steh8831
@steh8831 8 жыл бұрын
That was an amazing debate, a lot of passion too. I think Ben's remark to Jon near the end was a little much though.
@klondike444
@klondike444 8 жыл бұрын
+Ste H He needs to apologize.
@millenna83
@millenna83 8 жыл бұрын
I just hate it when somebody says "Those are the rules!" in defending democratic election process like the rules were something sent from up above and not something designed for a purpose.
@millenna83
@millenna83 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, funny how she felt that was a normal, presentable fact. I guess she learned her lesson- couple of days ago on Daily show she said that super delegates never decide the election.
@MSLearns
@MSLearns 8 жыл бұрын
Morning Joe is the only show in MSM that is covering both Bernie and Hillary equally and fairly and Ben has problem with that ??
@elkeve2742
@elkeve2742 8 жыл бұрын
"Not that well, apparently." Dude.
@SubiyaCryolite
@SubiyaCryolite 8 жыл бұрын
I love it when Ben gets fired up
@MegaLuke8
@MegaLuke8 8 жыл бұрын
"Not that well apparently" uncalled for Ben..
@HannahGK
@HannahGK 8 жыл бұрын
The superdelegate system is completely undemocratic. Ben's argument that Bernie Sanders entered the system knowing that superdelegates exist doesn't mitigate the problem at all - what other system could he have entered? Also, just because Scarborough is wrong on many issues and hypocritical, that doesn't mean he's not correct here. It's ironic, because Ben is usually the one to point out that most human beings are hypocrites. Ana and John should be more strident in calling out Ben's BS on this issue. Just because he's older than you, it doesn't mean you have to be reserved when he rants.
@gregbertana7293
@gregbertana7293 8 жыл бұрын
+Hannah G-K he saying if Bernie did not like the Dems rules he should of never ran on a democratic platform is all Ben is saying. You Bernie supporters act like it is so unfair , Cause of the super delegates. Well the super delegates do not mean anything unless It was closer delegate race. As far as Hillary having more votes it is cause she has won more primary and Bernie is only really winning caucus. If he was winning primary he would be tied with Hillary by now. All primary should be close and all states should do primary just to make it more simple and fair.
@HannahGK
@HannahGK 8 жыл бұрын
dragon heart I heard what Ben said and my point stands. When the platform itself is broken, you should address how it is broken. You don't say: "well, you could have stood on another platform" when we all know there isn't really another platform to stand on! If you're not Republican or Democrat, it's obvious you don't have a hope in the Presidential election. If superdelegates do not matter, why do they even exist? Superdelegates are undemocratic because they give elites more of a say than ordinary people. And each time superdelegates are declared, they lead potential voters to think the lead is insurmountable, which makes them think their votes are pointless, which could suppress the vote. P.S. It's funny being called a Bernie supporter after all these months I've been called a Hillary supporter.
@gshooting
@gshooting 8 жыл бұрын
They're reserved because they have no argument to counter Ben with.
@gregbertana7293
@gregbertana7293 8 жыл бұрын
Hannah G-K the super delegates are there to protect the party from out side source. like a independent running as a dem. That is there only function why they do not really matter in any normal circumstances. Well normally its the Bernie supporters whining about the super delegates is why i assumed you were one of his supporter .
@gregbertana7293
@gregbertana7293 8 жыл бұрын
Hannah G-K they do have a indepedent platform he could of ran on he chose not to cause he would not of had the media hype.
@njokuman
@njokuman 8 жыл бұрын
People PLEASE don't think it's pointless to vote though!
@ashanticrawford6033
@ashanticrawford6033 8 жыл бұрын
I have 2 degrees from 2 private, top-tier institutions and I still don't understand his breakdown of how superdelegates work.
@willdrucker4291
@willdrucker4291 8 жыл бұрын
quite simple...Superdelegates are politicians and lobbyists who pledge support to a candidate more aligned with their own ideologies...in the case of Clinton, MONEY...it's all about the Special Interest groups and the big bucks...thus Bernie's argument that Superdelegates pledged support to Clinton LONGGGG before the primaries even began....In short, Bernie was screwed before the primaries even began!!!...he should run as a third party candidate and win!!
@SophisticatedBanjo
@SophisticatedBanjo 8 жыл бұрын
It's Bernie or Bust, ladies and gents.
@chrismoseley4828
@chrismoseley4828 8 жыл бұрын
banjo, you're playing my jam. Bern it up or Bern it down.
@mayrodneir7496
@mayrodneir7496 8 жыл бұрын
Ben your little "not that well, apparently" interjection was extremely rude and petty! I hope you apologized to John for this remark, the discussion was passionate but perfectly civil and saying something like that is snide and totally uncalled for. You are better than that.
@fateaglio
@fateaglio 8 жыл бұрын
Please let John talk, he's the smartest person at TYT
@tlask33
@tlask33 8 жыл бұрын
+fateaglio May be but he is too long winded. It is difficult for me to listen to him as he sounds like a run on sentence. Be concise.
@kjhuang
@kjhuang 8 жыл бұрын
+Miyake Skeete He's nowhere near as bad as Jimmy though. When that guy gets going he's like a freight train.
@tlask33
@tlask33 8 жыл бұрын
I am in no means defending Ben either. His thought process has traces of ADD. He struggles to stay on topic.
@BobRadu
@BobRadu 8 жыл бұрын
Ben is totally wrong here. The point isn't that the math is flawed, which he seems to be suggesting that they are implying by not including the super-delegates footnote, the point is that the super-delegate system itself is ridiculous and, of course, the people in Wyoming should feel slighted that 56% support Bernie Sanders, yet, 61% of the delegates went to Clinton. I agree, as a voter in Wyoming I would absolutely feel that it doesn't matter who I vote for. Of course, super-delegates can switch, but even so, it makes the whole thing feel less democratic. And the argument of "those are the rules", or "he knew the rules when he joined the race" is an absolutely asinine argument. Why don't you tell that to Cenk who is protesting campaign finance? I mean, those are the rules today, everybody knows those are the rules, what is Cenk complaining about?
@ex0duzz
@ex0duzz 8 жыл бұрын
John: "I have to research it!" Ben: "Not that well apparently.." Cmon Ben, no need for that low blow shit, and also saying it in the middle of Anna's rant(she was making a point unrelated to their argument) just when the video is about to end? Props to John for not taking the bait and move it back to their argument while Anna was making her own point about something else. Ben got crushed by John since he didn't even know what John was taking issue with, and then he tried to play it off by bringing up some stats that John didn't know off the top of his head which while related to the issue, it wasn't a rebuttal of Johns opinion about the system, so i guess that would maybe be a straw man..? Ben Ben Ben.. just when i was starting to like you more after initially disliking his personality and political stance.. but don't worry. You're not as bad as the other dude still.. Michael Shure(sp?), but yeah. He would be riding Hillary/Establishment Democrats ball so hard right about now if he was part of this discussion. He makes some interesting points now and then since he represents an 'intelligent' supporter of the 'other side'(ie Hillary/Obama etc) and of the system as a whole, but i just find him annoying for the most part.
@underthegun42
@underthegun42 8 жыл бұрын
Thumbs down because I can't stand Ben anymore.
@brucehauge1391
@brucehauge1391 8 жыл бұрын
+METAMETHEUS He needs to go into rehab. He's clearly juiced up.
@pastordonkoh7692
@pastordonkoh7692 8 жыл бұрын
+Bruce Hauge Ever done a few lines right before a speaking event lol
@kylemagersupp9746
@kylemagersupp9746 8 жыл бұрын
why? because he's not 100% biased towards Bernie?
@pastordonkoh7692
@pastordonkoh7692 8 жыл бұрын
Kyle Magersupp I think it's because he comes across as trying really hard to be the devil's advocate
@kylemagersupp9746
@kylemagersupp9746 8 жыл бұрын
BringbackMK KonQuest but he's not trying hard. He's been doing this for decades. Hes just pointing out facts that are true. 100% brutal honesty
@Dan-pd9ys
@Dan-pd9ys 8 жыл бұрын
I really wouldn't be complaining here. Morning Joe has been EXTREMELY fair to Bernie the passed few days, Joe and Mika especially. and they did explain the superdelegates, i watched the entire clip on another link. I am very appreciative that Morning Joe has actually had a discussion about this. Also when Mika said "why did they even vote?" its a figure of speech stressing how rigged the process is. I commend both reporters actually. I also think Mika is a secret Bernie supporter lol whenever she talks about it, she's super critical of Hillary.
@ttruong179
@ttruong179 8 жыл бұрын
+D totally agree
@Gyeseongyeon
@Gyeseongyeon 8 жыл бұрын
+D I remember seeing an interview a few months ago when Bernie was on the Morning Joe. Despite their ideological differences, Scarborough and his gang seemed genuinely impressed with Sanders and his accomplishments, especially relying entirely on small contributions averaging $27. They also seemed to agree with Sanders on a number of his points, including healthcare and the rigged economic system.
@Dan-pd9ys
@Dan-pd9ys 8 жыл бұрын
Gyeseongyeon (계성연) Totally agree I saw that too! One of the most neutral and enjoyable mainstream media discussions I've seen with him actually.
@gamma2626
@gamma2626 8 жыл бұрын
+D Exactly. Fairly proud of Morning Joe for doing decent journalism. (imo)
@ausraider
@ausraider 8 жыл бұрын
+D Ben is complaining because he is a shillary supporter and he doesn't like it when Bernie isn't being misrepresented on the mainstream to make him look unelectable.
@johnhowe50
@johnhowe50 8 жыл бұрын
America is not really a democracy anyway. The electoral college is deeply undemocratic in its nature. But I am saying that as a Brit where our electoral system is deeply flawed too.
@ChrisInToon
@ChrisInToon 8 жыл бұрын
so much for the AV referendum and ukip getting 4 million votes for 1 parliamentary seat vs the 57 seats in Scotland.
@Hargazer
@Hargazer 8 жыл бұрын
All the more validity, since a lot of Americans don't get their own system
@llothar68
@llothar68 8 жыл бұрын
+john howe Britain is worse.
@PeacefulBrit
@PeacefulBrit 8 жыл бұрын
America is so corrupt it makes me sick
@annakfan
@annakfan 8 жыл бұрын
Ben is so full of it, all election cycle he's been team Hillary. I may not be on the same political team as Joe but that show has been one of he few that gave Bernie a fair chance on all of network TV.
@Ikeula75
@Ikeula75 8 жыл бұрын
Can we vote Ben out?
@Cyanidal187
@Cyanidal187 8 жыл бұрын
Please get rid of Ben. His opinions are abysmal.
@kford9271
@kford9271 8 жыл бұрын
John has the patience of a saint. I love Ben, I love his passion. And he can, at many times, be the voice of reason to a panel that is usually extremely liberal. However, in this segment, he was quite obnoxious. I think he and John were talking past each other because the point Ben was arguing was not the same point that John was arguing, but Ben kept interrupting him just to yell like an angry old man. Chill out dude. Part of journalistic integrity is keeping your cool and talking like adults. Not screaming over each other like Faux News.
@Knossos22
@Knossos22 8 жыл бұрын
I will not vote Republican I will not vote Republican-Lite I will not vote the Left-Wing form of the Right
@laneeardink9849
@laneeardink9849 8 жыл бұрын
I just made my 3rd donation to Bernie's campaign! The World needs Bernie's sensible leadership. Please consider making a small contribution to his campaign if you are a Bernie fan. He doesn't accept corporate donations!
@adamtuckman660
@adamtuckman660 8 жыл бұрын
Ben was great in the first half when they were talking about Morning Joe, but very frustratingly completely missed the point that John was trying to make about Hillary's disingenuity when saying that she has more votes. What's so hard to understand about "she's intentionally misrepresenting the truth by saying this"? Yes, she would be ahead in the numbers, but not by the 2.4 million votes that she's claiming she is. That's the issue that John had.
@tovsteh
@tovsteh 8 жыл бұрын
Ben answers questions almost like Trump answers questions.
@KGS922
@KGS922 8 жыл бұрын
toasteh how?
@kirkmarch4713
@kirkmarch4713 7 жыл бұрын
Drain the swamp thingy!
@getenlightened
@getenlightened 8 жыл бұрын
Ben, Wyoming wasn't a primary.
@SamStam12
@SamStam12 8 жыл бұрын
Party primaries are rigged. Period.
@deltablaze77
@deltablaze77 8 жыл бұрын
A lot of folks hating on Ben, even if I don't always agree with him, I am glad he brings up counter points and a different perspective to the table, that creates real dialogue.
@pooya130
@pooya130 8 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how yelling helps Ben make his points. Of Course she beats Bernie Sanders NOW by any measures Ben. But the election is only halfway through so if they are being unfair to Bernie it DOES make a difference.
@ThatBlakeCampbell
@ThatBlakeCampbell 8 жыл бұрын
"These are the rules." What a smug son of a bitch.
@nicholasvanpraag5668
@nicholasvanpraag5668 8 жыл бұрын
I don't want to be an asshole but I'm just not feeling the Ben.
@ANangryHOBO
@ANangryHOBO 8 жыл бұрын
which Ben? if your talking about that rascal Ben Tipperton, I don't feel him as well.
@Asmodeus555
@Asmodeus555 8 жыл бұрын
+Nicholas Vanpraag W
@KnolltopFarms
@KnolltopFarms 8 жыл бұрын
+Nicholas Vanpraag I don't like watching an argument either, and it was Ben who was being the asshole. Not because he doesn't agree, but just the way he shouts down those who have differing opinions and acts all high and mighty.
@DerekAtHome
@DerekAtHome 8 жыл бұрын
+Knolltop Farms Yeah it is kind of becoming his MO. I get that he needs to challenge the massive Bernie support , and I like that, but these attacks have got to stop. Serious quality control issue.
@KnolltopFarms
@KnolltopFarms 8 жыл бұрын
Derek Cormier I agree that a counter-balance is necessary, I just don't enjoy the hostility or vitriol. I am here to be educated primarily, and yelling has always just turned off my capacity to learn.
@StoneyPrimate
@StoneyPrimate 8 жыл бұрын
Ben has a hard time with opinions that differ from his own, he's so condescending. Evidence is at 14:20.
@helloed294
@helloed294 8 жыл бұрын
I like Ben a lot but the snide comment to John was totally unnessasary.
@ourevilone
@ourevilone 8 жыл бұрын
+helloed294 yeah that last comment about basically John doesn't research the election that well was horrible. I get those comments at my job and I have to punch them in the face (in my mind)
@michaeldesouza5917
@michaeldesouza5917 8 жыл бұрын
+helloed294 indeed!
@soccerguy325
@soccerguy325 8 жыл бұрын
+helloed294 What snide comment?
@MrInuhanyou123
@MrInuhanyou123 8 жыл бұрын
Morning Joe has been extremely fair to Bernie this whole cycle. I know TYT has a huge chip on their shoulder about Morning Joe, but they have consistently been on the side of Bernie for the whole cycle and have even called out those who think he would be a weaker general candidate. I call it as i see it and they are telling the truth of the matter. They even called out the GOP as well in the same segment for their convention nonsense
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