BMW 430i Coupe 2017 Review - Joe Achilles

[@daCorasla]

For whomever is interested, I did exactly what Joe suggests you shouldn't do and bought a 430i. Well, it is VERY FAST, snappy and a great and playful car, even with a "small" 4 cylinder and 252HP. It always depends on what and where you come from. I came from a 140HP Diesel engine from a 2013 wagon. Well.... :D beauty and speed is in the eyes/ears/heart of the beholder and I think this car is sufficiently luxurious, fun and compact for everyday city driving and road trips.

[@BlueWafer]

How many km's? Any problems yet?

[@36hounddogg]

I bought a used 430i gran coupe. I wanted a manual and you can't get a manual 440i. Also an equivalent 440i was significantly more expensive, and with the heavier engine only gets to 60 less than one second quicker (5.1 vs 5.9). Due to all the emissions and noise regs they barely sound any different too. So was a no brainer for me and i absolutely love it. Would highly recommend.

[@Razvan528]

Dis you do any stages on it yet?

[@JoshXCVIII]

I usually like what he says, but I massively disagreed with him about that, I think it’s a perfect daily, yes the 440i M4 or whatever would be nicer with the more BHP, but when are you ever going to use it, the 330i/440i is the perfect car

[@baderuk73]

Ditto! I've had my 430i 2017 for three years now. I love it. it's a big jump from the 420i. Yes 440i is more powerful, but on a wide-scale 20mph roads, how much power do you need?! I got a speeding ticket driving at 24mph

[@endlessdrive8421]

I respect your contrasting opinion about the 430i coupe, I own one myself and perhaps I'm a little biased, but I feel like your statement @8:39 is a product of the fact that you own 2 BMWs which are much more performance oriented than the average car. While the 430i isn't what I'd describe as a "sports car" more of a "sporty-luxury coupe", I think it's absolutely a car someone would enjoy waking up to early on a weekend for some spirited driving through the back roads...I do that every weekend and it never fails to bring a smile to my face. I should note that I got mine as a CPO for around $28K (USD) with 28K miles on it and it's fitted with the Track Handling Package so, the additional handling characteristics might be a little better than your reference model (unless it had it), but I think the car is very well balanced and does a great job translating its power down. This car isn't the car to get as a dedicated sports car, but if you're practical car enthusiast who wants the commuting comfort of a larger car, but still has the performance to have some fun, it's an outstanding daily driver.

[@teemeaux3830]

Literally my sentiments. I went 430i gc for the 5 door and mpgs. I was sold once I drove it to find out it wasn’t a complete turd. so I bought it. I was surprised how much fun it was to drive. And my last car was a gt350 so

[@jordanhtiffirg1990]

I agree it's subjective. Gor me I feel this would be a perfect balance. On UK roads especially London its 20mph for a lot of the time so what's the practical use to have a 6 cylynder engine that can go much faster over higher speeds if you can't utilise it on a daily drive but if you live outside of London and have a lot of back roads then it makes sense

[@polaxe77]

Recently got a 430d xdrive. Lovely car to drive and quick. Just had it remapped and now does over 300bhp and 650nm.

[@user-wz4fw2ws1s]

That extended leather is gorgeous. On the other hand, very refreshing to see an honest review.

[@geitenneukertje]

The first decent review of the 430i coupe. Funny that I remember your face from Shmee150's channel :-). Well, I have a 430i with m package coming in about a month from now. The 430i is actually priced at the level of the 420d, the 430d is like 8.000 euro's more expensive, and that's only the purchase price (moreover, Belgian road tax and insurance makes 3litres a lot more costly). I do get your point, a 4 cilinder isn't nearly as exciting as a 6 cilinder, but clearly trade offs have to be made. For me it's the right choice. It looks stunning, drives sporty and has decent space. It's my first car with decent performance so obviously, the performance will impress me more than it impresses you. Anyway, thanks for your honest opinion and I'm looking forward to more vids on your channel as I'm a sub now!

[@JoeAchilles1]

Cheers man! Apologies if I have insulted your new car, the 4 series itself is absolutely brilliant, I just found the engine a bit underwhelming for a BMW unit. And thanks for subbing after all of this haha. Joe

[@BagofDrugs]

how was it?

[@lordsilver27]

Piet Huysentruyt Hi man I agree whit you. Even here in Italy 3.0 l pay High tax and petrol is very expensive. I buy as you the 430i m sport and It will arrive to 15 days. I don't now If the engine will be boring or exiting but I'm sure about my choise is right. By the way whit ECU and a Exaust isn't hard gain 50 hp

[@rossb3175]

I have driven both a M235i and 430i and I'd say the M235/40i has mind blowing performance and is a great car but for those looking at performance and decent running costs definitely consider a 430i its plenty quick enough on UK roads and even ragging it around gives you mid 30mpg!

[@tonidabbraccio8169]

Watching this made me sale my 430i to get the 430d and what a difference.... No regrets performance wise the 430d is amazing :-)

[@LegendAAH]

Getting my second car soon. 1st bmw. Was deciding between 330i and 430i because I don’t want over a 2 litre for now. I’m coming from a 1.2 litre car with 88hp so I imagine a 430i at 250hp will be a huge change. I test drove a 2016 330i and the difference in power was amazing from my polo! I think 5.8 0-60 will be perfect for my second car. Planning on stage 1 to get 300hp so idk how to take this review!

[@sarahnaden2176]

I'm sold!! Oh not on a 430i btw!! M240i... All day long... great video again joe

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha glad to hear mate 😉

[@semperf1dude]

Joe, Don't take this the wrong way but this review is brilliant, just as I'm preparing to test drive an M240i tomorrow just wanting to see other models and here you are talking about both - genius!

[@JoeAchilles1]

Hahaha why would I take that the wrong way, biggest compliment ever!!! If you can stretch to the 440i then that would be worth considering, but thats a load more cash for a little bit of refinement. Cheers Joe

[@Kemal2k10]

Thanks for the honest review pretty much confirms all the preconceptions I had with BMW's 4 cyl engines on their larger chassis. I can't imagine BMW UK is going to be too happy about this review though...

[@JoeAchilles1]

I'm sure they will be okay... I'm just warning people who like drivers cars to go elsewhere in the range, the 4 series itself is a brilliant bit of kit, it just needs a the correct heart 😉

[@lewisbrown51]

Hear what you're saying but buying a diesel anything now is almost mental... Got a 430i and love it, yes id rather it was 6 cylinder but its not and in the current climate it gives decent performance for the 4 pot.... Mine is quick off the line anyway...

[@yns9bn5_]

Don't know about the sound, maybe an aftermarket exhaust can change something about that. But I drive a 420i Gran Coupé myself with M package (why pay more on a 30i to still have a 4 cilinder, if you want more performance spent even a little more for a 6) because tax wise it was the best deal here in Belgium. Bigger engines and diesels are really expensive here. On a daily drive I have enough power with the standard 184hp but I'm planning to do a stage 1 tuning, nothing special, just a bit more power for a smoother ride. And with that stage 1 tuning for about £700 you nearly get 300hp and 420nm. I think that's going to make a lot of a difference!

[@JoeAchilles1]

Yeah the 420D makes more sense because it has the same engine (slightly de tuned) but costs a fair bit less...

[@rafio9002]

Great review and I totally agree with you that 430i (252PS, 350Nm) only exist because 420d needed a 420i (both ~184PS & ~ 270Nm) to save face & BMW Diesel sales! In USA, 430i is the entry model & here in the UK I got my 430i (M Sports Pack +) because, I sourced it @ 420i budget (great time to buy the outgoing model, as the new 4 with its 'large grill' will be on sale in the next month or so). I got the wonderful 8 speed auto & electric seats as standard over the lesser model too. A 440i remains unbeatable and a no brainer, if finances allow. It will be sad to let go of my E92 330i (& previously E46 330Ci) straight 6 with the beautiful sounding engine, so I'll be using HK sound system to compensate! As for the fantastic M240i, It will suit a younger (25-35) demographic better, in the same way that the 4 series suits my generation. Looking forward to your review of the 'New 4 Series'.

[@sandweiler4640]

Rafi Oghoubian Dear Sir you perfectly summarized my thoughts! I will be getting the 430i or 440i (if finances follow) at the beginning of 2021. Cannot see my self in a 2 series as I am 48 years old. So either a highly specced 430i or a 440i. And if you go for a full black configuration the large grill kind of blends in so it will not disturb me I guess. Where I live the official car presentation will be on October 24th. One month to go...

[@scottjones3782]

I have only just seen this but I have a 330i simply because it isn’t a 320d. It is quick and the up front weight reduction makes it agile and fuel efficient for a 250bhp plus car. It isn’t meant to be an M240 but I see your point on the money/value comparison. It can’t be as good as a 6 cylinder but it’s more like a Golf GTI engine in a 3 series. To be honest it isn’t the engine that lets this car down for me it’s the chassis and ride. I had my suspension changed by birds auto and it made a big difference but I’m not sure I’d buy another. I like those seats - I have the slightly more tan individual ones in my 330i. It might be boring but I doubt there are many out there with my spec (cos no one else wants them)!

[@ChrisFhey]

Well, we all have to start somewhere I suppose, haha. I've one of these on order, and I'm actually quite pleased with the car and its power source. Then again, that's what having driven only 120hp eco cars does to a man, I guess. I'll be happy to hand over my old keys at work when the dealership calls me that the 430i has arrived. I chose the 430i simply because I cannot afford to purchace a more powerful vehicle at this point where I live (thanks to tax and insurance). However, somewhere down the line I'll probably be moving along to the big boy cars. Oh how I'd love to own an M4 one day. Appreciate the honest review though. Keep it up I'd say!

[@JoeAchilles1]

+Christopher B Absolutely, I'm sure you will be over the moon with the car, especially coming from something with 120bhp. Guess my point is the M240i is cheaper and a proper sports car. Yeah the M4 is a real weapon 💪

[@OKF_Max]

Wow, I just saw your last few videos and love this channel. Great content Joe. Hopefully much more to come

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thanks man appreciate your kind words!

[@Wicked_RotF30]

My RWD F30 Msport b45 blue with M400 wheels was purely gorgeous. Sadly was totaled from the combination of someone not paying attention and failure to stay in their lane and my swerving to avoid getting hit while in Sport+ after a light rain found the limit of the generic tires the car was delivered with. Very sad day. However, i now own a xDrive B45 blue with M400 wheels Msport F32. God is Great All the Time!!!

[@secondchance4498]

Nope, I'm not having it. It was Clarkson that said it, but as horses have gone from a daily tool for the job, and now just for fun on the weekend. The car with a bit of luck, will go the same way. I think/hope that Teslas will fill the roads on the run to work and back, and come the weekend us petrolheads will fill the country lanes. And even better than that, because these "petrol" cars will be bought only for fun. The manuals and N/A engines will make a come back. That's what I'm saying anywho lol Thanks for the video Joe, looking forward to the GT4 vid.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha let's hope so buddy! I could very happily have a tesla for everyday and something like a GT4 for the odd Sunday (when I can afford the £25 per litre of petrol 😂) Cheers man

[@davidhayes4814]

Hi Peter Russell below. Diesels really come into their own in big vehicles and when they are powerful in horse power as well as torque. The A3 TFSI shares its engine with VW and it is a hard engine to beat, in its various tunes.

[@MrRenobarbican]

Nice one joe, nice to see yet another honest vid, keep them coming, certainly not regretting ordering my m140i 😱

[@JoeAchilles1]

Cheers man, just about managed to scrape this together on the drive home absolutely knackered 😉

[@MrRenobarbican]

Joe Achilles the 430i must have made you tired by being such a disappointment!! Question. I'm curious what GoPro mounts you use to get such rock solid footage? I've been toying with the idea of getting one for biking and will double up as a dashcam but there's so many mounts available, any recommendations???

[@delboy2596]

I've owned an M235i and now a 435d. I wouldn't go back to a 2 series. The ride and refinement is so much better sorted in the 4 series. But have to agree the 430i is a strange one.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Good to hear, I should have maybe gone on more about the superior refinement of the 4 over the 2, lack of road noise etc... Cheers

[@373axle]

I see the point this video is trying to make but nevertheless, a 330i sedan was recently tested by car & driver here in the states and they recorded a 5.4s 0-60, 14.0s 1/4 mile @100mph and 27.1s 0-130mph... I don't know mate, but that is fast by any measure especially for a 4 cylinder! Of course after an M2 & M240i, almost everything will feel slow I'm sure.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Oh well thats interesting, but either way it feels flat and sounds very average to me compared to the engine it replaced... A 14 flat 1/4 mile in a heavy car with only 250 is insane!

[@373axle]

Right, but it's BMW's "250" we're talking lol.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha yeah this is very true! aka 285bhp

[@AsmirSut]

After watching this im thinking that Joe is probably never again gonna get a BMW for review. Love the hard truth though.

[@gavinhall4112]

Asmir Sut he doesn't speak badly about BMW at all - he just doesn't like this particular model given the other options BMW have to offer.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Hopefully you're wrong. I spend my life pushing and selling BMW's, there is no getting away from the fact that this model isn't very exciting. I need to be 100% honest as you say. Cheers

[@AsmirSut]

I understand that, but my point is that whoever gave him the car for review is probably regreting it now because of bad publicity. I dont mean that he bashes bmw or that particular car. But a negative review is never good for a company whatever the reason.

[@AsmirSut]

My perception of that world of reviews etc. is that the companies always require a positive review and if its not then no more bells and whistles for the reviewer. Am i right or wrong i want to know please.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Its simple mate, giving a car review is giving a car review. If I believe its good I will say that, if I believe its not so great I will say that too. I pride my reviews on honesty, I don't work for BMW and certainly don't get paid to review their cars. Why would I say a car/model is amazing when I don't believe it is? Example, I think the X4 is one of the most pointless cars/models of any manufacturer on sale today, thats my opinion, others might love that car. I'm not going to lie to people who subscribe and watch my videos. Cheers Joe

[@ste6834]

the exterior shots with the wide angle lens distort the car a bit, I know its a faf having multiple lenses but just a suggestion.

[@HKHants]

Great video! Can’t wait to take delivery of my new 440i coupe in snapper blue rocks!

[@jamesbaggaley1460]

Nice video Joe! I honestly don't know what was wrong with the '28i' badge? At least it has a little connection to the genuine engine size. I definitely think non M BMW 6 cylinder petrol days are numbered unfortunately...😖

[@JoeAchilles1]

I know these are sad times mate... 😢

[@rustystuff]

James Baggaley Totally agree bud and yes very sad times Joe. The 6 cylinder was such an iconic engine, and even worse they now produce 3 cylinder front wheel drive cars 😭

[@jernichols]

James Baggaley yeah the labelling of models has gone off piste a bit 240 back in the day would have been 4.0 litres!!

[@rustystuff]

James Nichols he he yeah and they were good times!!!!!

[@DCfocal]

I picked up the pre LCI 328i and proceeded to modify with the BMW m performance parts. Exhaust/suspension/brakes. Transformed the car. But one drive in my siblings M2 and other i6 BMW's reminded me how much sound matters and effortless midrange. Even the e60 545i I traded in had such a beautiful v8 in comparison. As for economy, the n20 engine in my 328i is still more efficient. Noticeably so. Basically I drive the "718" alluded to in your video as a Porsche comparison. FYI I picked up a Cayman GT4 as my fun car last year. So I get the flat 6 howl. 😋

[@JoeAchilles1]

What you say sums it up nicely! You can play with the 2 litre unit, give it plenty more power/torque/exhaust, it will never reward you with the sound of a howling 6 though. A GT4 as a fun car, you lucky bugger!

[@DCfocal]

The lighter 4 cylinder BMW was a lot of fun on a driver education day at the track. Performance wise, it's very competitive and balanced with the lighter front weight. It was so easy to keep it balanced at speed especially with the MP suspension/brakes. the M235i sounds great but felt heavy. I haven't tried the M2 on track yet. As for the GT4, I didn't get a chance to take it to a PCA education day but I expect it to be on a whole different level again.

[@bodrulm1]

I have the 430d GC - which I think looks nicer than the coupe. it has an enormous practical boot too. it's crucial to realise the 435d/440d only come in Xdrive which has SE suspension that sits HIGH. so the car doesn't look sleek and sporty, and handles horribly. my car is an incredible GT cruiser, eats motorways, good on bendy roads, and has amazing in gear torque and overtaking ability. it makes it a joy to drive and very comfortable. the dampening is awesome. however, don't overlook Jaguar. the XF is more nimble and handles better than the 3/4/5. the suspension is better too - takes bumps better whilst remaining sporty. however the NVH let's it down. too much noise and vibration enters the cabin. however, best driving cars in this class imo. overall the 4 series is a better package.

[@phantom2k10]

it's funny because the 4 series and the f80 m3 are the worse sounding M cars out of the lot.The m135i and the m235i are mini beasts and sound real good,the m3 e92 was and still is a great sounding and performing car,the 5 whether it be the e60 or f10 Is a great sounding and performing car and the 6 is also a straight beasttt.bmw f'd up with the f80 and f82 smh

[@rustystuff]

Cracking video again bud. You keep producing these interesting videos, love em 👍

[@JoeAchilles1]

Cheers Russ, this was a random one on very little sleep haha

[@davidhayes4814]

Hi joe Achilles: if it ate it for breakfast, then it might get indigestion. Discos are getting 4 pot diesels with serious power and torque on their latest model. The Volvo XC90 4 pot is good too. I agree that BMWs straight sixes (petrol or diesel) have been wonderful engines. The move is to smaller capacity turbos because of alleged emission savings. My brother has an old model Range Rover with the 287 bhp 4.4 litre diesel V8. Wonderful engine for the car but very thirsty. That's before R.R. shed a much needed 440 kg.

[@fbf01]

Another good video 👍 Sure there's a lad who has the 435d x drive mapped with an intercooler running 400bhp!!! That would be a total weapon yet still 50mpg ha. Do love the 4 series but so many on the road

[@fabianb6970]

Very nice review Joe, always enjoy watching your videos. Greetings from Germany !

[@JoeAchilles1]

Cheers buddy!

[@minilite7184]

Hi Joe - enjoy your reviews & your channel. I've just bought a 330i touring - its great, but in London, you can't nail it and get out of second before you hit an average speed limit. A 2/3/4 40 would be fab but even more wasted than mine unless you live where you can use it - at docile pace the 8 speed boxes are so smooth - best part of the car - I would hire your 240 for a lap of 'Ring, but otherwise would keep the £££'s at the pump that mine saves

[@jammyhere123]

its a crime to have a 430i with a 2.0l 4 cylinder

[@Robbieifyoucan]

No its just a crime to name it that...

[@NickLiang]

Wait till you realise what engine the C63 uses.......

[@kcgaming5906]

GarbisOnTheGo hi

[@mirceam6235]

no, its a crime to get a 4 series coupe diesel, a sport bmw shouldn't be diesel...

[@LPphotographyLP]

@@mirceam6235yep

[@joedogg9836]

The 430i feels like it has more turbo lag than the 428i with the N26, the sound is better of the new engine, but the 428i seems like it has the better powertrain. I also like the fake sounds they pump into the 428i here in the states.

[@spudmurphy764]

Interesting review - albeit more a stream of consciousness lament for 6-cylinder engines really, which you could have done in many 4-cyl 250ish bhp cars (wink).

[@Wezbomb]

I opted for the 435D. More than enough bang and i'm averaging 43 mpg.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Oh yeah the 435d is an absolute weapon! But in a different price bracket

[@Wezbomb]

Joe Achilles fair point. I simply can't fault it however

[@peterbennpan7288]

Has your 7 Series got laser lights? If so could you do a pov night video and show us how they work please 🙏

[@Anastasio_V]

Joe great work ! really. last BMW that i had was a z4 2011 with a straight six 2.5 , so i know what you're talking about ... i'm looking for a used 4 series. i decide to go for a petrol engine cause of the sound and smoothness. most of my km's are in town also. you say that the 430i has a common engine and it's not a sport car instead of the 435i or 440i with the proper 6cyl engine. 306hp for 3 litres is not something amazing but the engine is good in every way i suppose. i drove also the tts with the 310hp 2 litres engines and i liked a lot. i was thinking to buy it even if i had to change my 2nd (family) car for a bigger one. the thing is that the 3 litres in Greece cost a lot for taxes insurances and petrol. The difference between the 430i and 440i or 435i is about 3 to 4 litres of petrol for 100km i think, so is big. you also said good words for the 430d but i think that a diesel engine for in town...? also is not a sport car (diesel...) what do you think? for 2 series i just want to say that i don't like it from the back...

[@jordanl8292]

Joe, have you considered doing any older cars from the BMW lineup? There's a real lack of content out their for guys looking at the sub 15K car market. I'm specifically talking BMW and with regards to models: e90 330d, 335i lci etc?

[@JoeAchilles1]

Great idea Jordan! Guess its finding the hardware to test, also the time to do that as I already struggle whilst running my business... Cheers man

[@motormusic1]

So you wouldn't recommend I get a 430i to replace my 330d..? What about the 330i in the G20 Vs my 330d? Economy of 440i Vs my 330d?

[@archie1833]

great review. I had a 130 which I really miss especially that deep burble of the NA straight six. having owned a 911 and an SL after I think the little 130 is still the complete package. could go for a m135 as these are pretty good value now. I couldn't go for a straight 4. as you say in other reviews though interior quality is a bit shabby in places even in the new models.

[@Vortex]

M240i all day long over a 430i. I think it would be a tough choice between the 440i and the M240i for me though.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Yeah agreed! 440i would be much more refined, but also around £8k more expensive!

[@reinsdyrmann4658]

2 series is a womans car I'd say. I have a 4 series and I remember a 2 series parked next to me. It was puny compared to my beast.

[@chriscastella1232]

they gave u a 4 cly. its an option to pay more fr the 6 cly 326 hp in many countries

[@chrish8419]

I love how much passion you have for the m240i.... you make great points. Did you have any comments from BMW UK for being as honest as you were?

[@JoeAchilles1]

I never hear from BMW UK, this was only given to me because I was part of the Shmee team for FOS. I dont think a manufacturer can say anything to me for saying I'm not a fan of one of their particular models, I push enough sales elsewhere for them haha (again something they probably don't know or care about). Cheers

[@chrish8419]

Joe Achilles very true! I'm a prime example, although BMW cocked my order up on a 140i by selling it to someone else. But iv ended up with a better spec... but it's all from your videos haha! Keep up the honesty... reminds me of old school top gear/5th gear. Proper petrol head stuff.

[@wadebeaumont5264]

To me the 430 is for the person who wants a luxury German cruiser and they wouldn't even consider what's under the bonnet. The enthusiastic driver would go the 240 and think they got a bargain or spend up and get a 440. Love that little clip in the gt4. Sounds bloody awesome.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Yeah totally agree Wade! A woman in her 60's owns a 430i in my village, that is this models target audience. Full GT4 video to come :-)

[@ozturkemre3060]

Ty for that good reviev

[@ThisIsMTH]

BMW have always made these niche, low volume variants that sit in the middle of their line ups and don't offer value for money. Take the e36 323i, 525d, 545i etc etc. They'll never sell many but they always seem to be produced by BMW.

[@JoeAchilles1]

This is very true, I'm sure they could produce a 429i and 431i and they would sell some of both 😂 Cheers

[@kcgaming5906]

Mr Joe I'm 11 this is my dream car

[@bobksbr]

Dude, you spent almost the entire 12 minutes talking about other vehicles and what the vehicle is not. Next time you should actually talk about the vehicles you're driving.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Thanks Bob great advice

[@davetowse4071]

Cheers Joe, won't be ordering one of those then.

[@JoeAchilles1]

I would have to un friend you Dave 😂

[@metinemre6]

Purchase of a 2015 428i m sport coupe caused a buyer`s remorse in less than a month and barely after 500miles. Traded in for a 435i m sport in 2016 with a $12k loss (roll over negative equity). Worst money waste ever but lesson learnt. Don`t buy 428/430 if you`re looking for performance. Get a base 440i instead of a loaded 430i. If you can afford a 430i you can afford 440i too.

[@phantom2k10]

nice review mate

[@joehammerton4803]

I didnt realise the 430i was a 2.0... Every day is a school day!

[@JoeAchilles1]

unfortunately it is buddy, don't get fooled by BMW badging anymore :-(

[@joehammerton4803]

+Joe Achilles yeah i knew from the E90 range that the 335 was a 3L but i didnt realise. Would personally go for a 2 series anyway as i would have thought it would be a bit more nimble that a 4 anyway?

[@davidhayes4814]

Diesels are now amazing. I am old enough to remember when they were dreadful. You, youngsters, probably don't know but BMW and Honda refused to make diesels and Merc diesels were taxis in Germany.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha you cant compare a 2.0tdi 4 cylinder with a 3.0 straight 6 BMW unit, it would eat this cars engine for breakfast!

[@gd8202]

You've convinced me never to buy a 430i!

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha I'm glad :-)

[@peterfrancis651]

how come there's no manual version of the 430d?, as undoubtedly good as the modern auto's are I cant seem to feel at one with anything other than a manual. maybe I'll recapture my youth and take my son's advice, m235i, manual of course.

[@JoeAchilles1]

+Peter Francis BMW don't have a (non M) manual clutch strong enough to cope with the 430d torque. I agree re manuals, but have you tried the ZF 8 speed 👌👌👌

[@peterfrancis651]

Thanks for the explanation Joe. Haven't tried the 8speed as yet but will certainly try it. Coming from a e92 320d coupe (dont mock), just fancy a bit more oomph. Sensible head says 430d, heart says m235i. Just read some reviews of the 235i, am I right in thinking one was written by yourself.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Hey nothing wrong with a e92 320D Coupe! Definitely try a 430d, you will be blown away by the performance and slickness of the auto box... Yeah I have written a few pieces on the M135 & M235 over the years :-) Now there is the M240 of course, check my latest video on that car. Cheers

[@davidhayes4814]

ouch! I meant Joe don't give up on fossil fuels. I went and spoilt a good quote. Damn!

[@JW-cq4ez]

How is the mpg on these cars thinking mostly on highway type of driving?

[@isaiahdeshazier1520]

now i understand why everybody is downsizing and i do think it may be the right thing to do for the environment but it is just really sad! i just drove an m4 last weeked and yes it was fast but i was not impressed and i prefer the mustang gt or a chevy camaro ss over it. Mostly because of the fact that at least the american auto makers stick to the v8 engines on their performance cars! some people might say oh air polution and stuff like that and yes i am american myself but i just wish that the other carmakers like bmw and so on would at least keep the big engines in their performance cars like the m4. i really like the route that mercedes is going example they offer a c43 amg with a v6 and a c63 amg with the v8.

[@bmwm3man]

But BMW has always used the 6 cylinders like hey use in the m4. BMW only manufactured a handful of v8s over the years. Plus a tuned m4 is pretty quick.

[@SenszR]

They may start upsizing now after recent studies on how small turbo engines are actually less efficient.

[@TheN00bPolice]

Why are you comparing a mid level 4 to a top level 2 series? How am I gonna get my kids and a boot full of stock in a 2 series!?

[@KevBoy3D]

It's funny how religious people are about the number of cylinders in their car.

[@JoeAchilles1]

It doesn't help that BMW have always made such incredible 6 cylinder units...

[@manuelcervi9898]

help me, 430i or m240i??? i will sometimes drive someone in the back but usually not. im afraid the 240 is small...

[@JoeAchilles1]

Test drive both buddy, M240i is a far more exciting/faster package, 430i is the more comfortable/practical car. Cheers

[@peterwatson9047]

I've just ordered a 230i with m sport bits, I'm hoping it will be a fun UK B-road type car :)

[@JoeAchilles1]

+Peter Watson Did you get a quote for a M240i with the same spec, I bet there wouldn't be much in it due to big discounts...

[@peterwatson9047]

yes my manual spec with many options ticked was only £200 less than a 240i manual deal (without options) available through a particular forum post. So the only difference would be the cost of adding the same things (those that aren't already included) plus I'd probably want (need) the auto box with that amount of power.

[@peterwatson9047]

yes my manual spec with many options ticked was only £200 less than a 240i manual deal (without options) available through a particular forum post. So the only difference would be the cost of adding the same things (those that aren't already included) plus I'd probably want (need) the auto box with that amount of power.

[@peterwatson9047]

yes my manual spec with many options ticked was only £200 less than a 240i manual deal (without options) available through a particular forum post. So the only difference would be the cost of adding the same things (those that aren't already included) plus I'd probably want (need) the auto box with that amount of power.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Remember many extras come standard on the M240 that don't on the 230, there are also bigger discounts on the M240. I would have test driven both cars, the 240 is in a different league in term of straight line pace, handling and braking, in real life there would be very little in economy too... I understand people buying 218d's and 220d's, but I struggle to understand why someone would buy a 228i (now labelled as a 230i), Im sure its a perfectly capable car like this 430i is, but BMW can sell you something much much better for next no more money... This is just my opinion of course!

[@nphung01]

I imagine BMW UK is not too pleased with this review.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Why? I spend my life raving about BMW's. I rate the 4 series model massively, I just don't recommend this power plant. I'm 100% honest with my reviews

[@nphung01]

Joe Achilles Hi Joe, please don't take this the wrong way. I'm actually NOT criticizing you. I do love your honesty. My comment was more about BMW UK who should have given you a more praiseworthy car, not this 430i that resulted in a rather lukewarm review, which in turn might possibly not lead to more press cars being given to you. I hope I'm making sense :) Anyway, I'll shut up now and wait for your next video.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Hey no worries man, appreciate your comment. I hope I'm right haha. Cheers

[@AxGT72]

why would you suggest a 420d over this?

[@JoeAchilles1]

Identical price, Similar real life performance, but much cheaper to run...

[@aaronbriscoe3464]

Joe the big question though, does a bike fit in the back of a 2 series?

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha yeah I got my large Saracen Ariel Elite (Enduro MTB) in the bbot of my M2 a couple weeks back, wheel off obviously :-)

[@aaronbriscoe3464]

How easy was it because my worry was how wide the boot opening is as I'm pretty tall so all my bike frames are pretty huge

[@alphalobster8021]

The 30d engine is amazing. But oh my God, it is also soooo boring. Also I need more than 25mpg so a 40i is out of the question. The 20d is an awful engine. I am thinking the only way forward is a manual 30i to get something with a bit of economy, performance and fun.

[@worldoftanksblitz468]

Thinking of getting a m140i

[@JoeAchilles1]

Don't think, do it! It will be the last small 6 cylinder BMW ever...

[@funkmasteryellow]

Outside of Europe, 2 series kinda looks like a car that your gf drives

[@uskogumus]

Why call is 430 when its 2l ?

[@BM_PAZ]

It's a bit like my 325d in the way that it's an unusual model. It used to be a 6cyl but then it became a 4cyl before being disbanded as a model altogether. Unfortunately I couldn't quite stretch to the 330d but I wanted something a bit better than the typical 320d so went for it. With regards to real world mpg my 325d gets less than a 330d as its a 4cyl with a higher tune that requires more work to get the performance out of it.

[@JoeAchilles1]

Yeah I've tried that 25d in a 5 series and it's mighty impressive for a 2 litre 4 pot. Guess the issue with this engine is its lack of torque compared to yours, you have to rev it to get anywhere and it sounds average when you do that, it also uses lots of fuel!

[@jammyhere123]

325d has been discontinued for a year now

[@BM_PAZ]

jammyhere123 That's correct, I got one of the last ones and got an absolute bargain. It had almost every extra on the list, M Sport plus package and loads of other stuff I don't really need and a large dealer discount to go with it.

[@AcostarLogistics]

Does your DCT m2 have a rev limiter in neutral/park? Or can you rev to limiter?

[@JoeAchilles1]

Only when its cold buddy

[@jammyhere123]

Its getting a facelift in march

[@JoeAchilles1]

That won't add any cylinders

[@Theoneandonlybay2345]

If they can do the M550d x drive: Why not an M440d X drive? God, if getting to customers is one thing; they should make you their PR!!!

[@e46spartan75]

They couldn't make the M550d in RHD form due to not enough space or something or other. would imagine similar reasons for the 4 series. would be an M4 killer!!

[@Theoneandonlybay2345]

yeah, the transmish might be one of the reasons...

[@e46spartan75]

it was something like that. Can't remember exactly what however. the new g30 5 series is just a few months away and is coming in RHD M550d form though! :)

[@JoeAchilles1]

Haha well the Alpina D4 is basically what would be a M440d but without x drive...

[@jammyhere123]

Do you think a 435d would be quicker than an M24Oi?

[@garydoctor3578]

jammyhere123 nope. The 240 is as quick as an M2.

[@jammyhere123]

Gary Doctor a 240i is 4.6 to 60 and a 435d is 4.7 so with four wheel drive and in real world i think it would be very close

[@JoeAchilles1]

There would be very little in it! On a dry day they would be identical up to around 70mph, the 240 would slowly edge away from that point... This is partly guessing though haha

[@kcgaming5906]

I Want To Buy One When I Grow Up Can U Help Me Pls Pls Reply

[@YouThana]

I drove a 220i some time ago and i was very disappointed. You could feel the well sorted chassis but the engine ruined the experience totally. Massive turbo lag and it felt generally weak but the sound was the worst, hollow, gutless and annoying. The more i drove it, the more i hated it. I know making four cylinders sound good is very hard. Imo only Alfa did a great job with the 4C but BMW did a particulary bad job with their recent four cylinders. This was a very sad thing for me because i hate the F30 3 series for it's looks and i don't want to spend so much money on the overpriced 4 series. Alfa came up with the stunning Giulia but again, they also disqualified themselves with crappy four cylinder automatic engines. I am not going to spend more than 40k Euros on a stupid four cylinder car. This leaves me personally with the only option left, an M140i which is a bit too small for my taste but you got to do what you got to do.

[@davidhayes4814]

Straight sixes .... Ah yes the Aston Martin DB5..... Joe, give up on fossil fuel engines. Tomorrow is a foreign country promised to nobody.

[@aleale5177]

this car has a VSS ( variable steering steel?) . thank you

[@colinsmith1176]

I don't know why, but every time I watch this guy, he just puts me to sleep. Zzzzzzzz

[@jakepenty1963]

You love bmws😂

[@JoeAchilles1]

Clearly not this one...

[@jakepenty1963]

That's what I mean, the 1,2 and 3 series you love

[@JoeAchilles1]

I love the 4 too, just not this one ✌

[@randomnickname2240]

first

[@slummvill_7569]

you ain’t even show the inside interior or dash lol terrible review

[@OmaAutomation]

4 series looks like crap