Is Audi's New S5 Better than BMW's M340i? | 4k

[@Jb001jb]

I’m never buying new again. They have gone mad with prices.

[@marcinovski]

No one buys cars anymore because the electronics are all outdated in 5 years. It’s all about lease and long term rental. Get with the times

[@666DW]

Totally agree! New car prices are becoming ridiculous. No wonder there are dealerships full of unsold cars and manufacturers are cutting production and closing plants.

[@Jb001jb]

@@marcinovski , as i said, never buying new again.

[@williambatt8263]

@@marcinovskiI’m not sure it makes much difference. Don’t they essentially take the 70k, add financing costs, subtract the likely (hammered!) residual value, and divide by the number of lease months?

[@rc666]

That's how Saab went.

[@zebwilson13]

This is nearly the cost of an M3 touring! These prices are unsustainable!

[@yadevable]

EU emissions etc bullshit needs to be stopped

[@rc666]

@@yadevable Why?

[@yadevable]

@@rc666 creates too much manufacturing/R&D overhead and production gets very expensive. We have put ourselves in a position where we cannot compete with US and Chinese manufacturing

[@let0atreides]

@@yadevable If it was only emissions. "Safety" regulations also add cost and weight to the car. All those black boxes, warning and assists systems, cameras in and out, whatever modules and other types of interference are making it all ridiculous. There is only one way this goes in the future : electric, autonomous, driverless, no ownership, subscription based car sharing system. That's what they want.

[@yadevable]

@@let0atreides no wonder EU is in a downwards spiral as a whole, hopefully people will soon come to their senses

[@jimmyb1460]

7:10 Coming to expect cheap plastics is absolutely no excuse at this price point. I know manufacturers are being strangled by emission regs and subsequent EV R&D, but there really is no excuse for interiors going backwards, no matter what the brand is. Same goes for dropping iDrive and MMI controllers.

[@GrandSil90]

100%. I hate how some reviewers normalize this. It should be called out every time. No, it's not expected for a 70K+ car to have cheap plastic materials

[@wltdo6930]

Yes. This class of car used to be the level at which “below the waistline” would get good quality materials. That’s one of the things we expect when paying so much for a compact executive car

[@FastTeam11]

Agreed! I mean manufacturers are in a really bad spot right now and i am sorry for them, but they cant be wondering why they dont sell cars, when ALL the german manufacturers including Porsche are doing heavy cost-cutting in the interior but up the prices by 15 percent... buying used is the only way forward

[@stephenstephenson8349]

@@GrandSil90 modern day car reviewers push agendas on behalf of these brands. no integrity whatsoever

[@GrandSil90]

@@FastTeam11 Exactly! I understand everything went in price in manufacturing but these prices skyrocketed from a generation to another and when you see all the cost cutting at your expense it's just disgusting

[@dunkelheit6341]

71k plus options? Naaah, I'll get a used Alpina B3 Touring instead, thank you.

[@jackhiggs]

This is the way.

[@teabagtowers3823]

Considering how much this fully loaded press car is you can probably get into an M3 Touring that or not be far off one.

[@TheEryk03]

@b58f21 in Poland this new A5 starts at 41 000 euro because Poland isn't that mo. ron...ic like your western S..... holes.

[@TheEryk03]

But Alpina is bmw so it suuuuuuuuucks

[@numbereightyseven]

Will you, though?

[@Delvy787]

Couldn’t disagree more on the interior. The screens with the large bezels and piano black plastic everywhere already makes the interior look dated, and cheap.

[@G82Watts]

Exactly the copied BMWs new widescreen and made it even LARGER. At least BMW is alot more sleek and not in ur face (as much)

[@derbigpr500]

Go sit in it and call it cheap. I dare you.

[@Delvy787]

@ of course! I really want this model to be successful. Hopefully Audi will give consumers different material options to configure the interior.

[@steverogers7211]

Piano black will always be a sign of cost cutting.

[@Valks-22]

​@@G82Watts true, but calling BMW interior massive screen design 'sleeker' than Audi is still an outcome comparison where your leg gets blown off at the knee rather than the hip. Unless properly integrated into a cockpit it will always look worse and gaudy.

[@Blankadoodledo]

78k... for a car with only 367hp? And an S5 for 78k? Manufacturers have gone mad. Who buys new anymore?

[@faisalleeds]

Yeah inflation has gone crazy and then they are having to fudge the numbers to try and make them semi-respectable on a lease deal. Just seen on AT there is a 24 plate brand new RS4 for £60K!! It's annoying as these new higher prices in the last 4 years also make the current models slower to depreciate, apart from electric cars 😂

[@G2020-]

Its insane, new ICE car sales are in big trouble.

[@toxadodo]

Completely mad!

[@martinmcdonald4207]

It`s a German thing.

[@Mr11ESSE111]

when 367hp was cheaper in this class

[@petejr7583]

Get those RS4 Avants while you can!

[@hotdog9262]

unless one get massive cuts in price, used is objectively much better

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

Rather wait for the m2cs or get a m3 comp anyday..

[@saiintjay]

i was driving one yesterday ,the way i want that car man ,i wish i had the money to buy one.😞

[@petejr7583]

Keep waiting until they’re not ugly inside and out. Buck teeth out front and generic rectangle touchscreen stuck on the dash.😄

[@jc4778]

71K 😳 I know car manufacturers are under pressure to incorporate hybrid and electric drivetrains but wonder how many of their customers actually want to buy them 🤔 And am I the only person that hates that steering wheel 🤮

[@daytonars5]

Mate, that wheel is so cheap. I had to change my wheel though in mine, because they gave me a round A5 wheel in my RS5 😒 hopefully aftermarket will do the same for the B10

[@deputydd4364]

My current car is a mild hybrid. I love it from a driving perspective. Forget any efficiency it's the immediate torque you get, as well as an engine, makes it feel rapid at real road speeds for quick overtakes and nipping into gaps

[@derbigpr500]

You don't have to get the S5. Get the 260hp 2.0 TFSI model for 55k.

[@jc4778]

@@deputydd4364 I’m sure a mild hybrid drives brilliantly. But all the added technology adds huge cost to new cars and I’m just questioning if the majority of drivers really want it when you could get similar performance with turbo or supercharged engines. Not me that’s for certain but I’ll never be in a position to spend 71k on a new car anyway. Also I fear for the future of car manufacturers being forced to sell higher and higher % of hybrid or ev cars.

[@draggy6544]

@@derbigpr500my 2015 rs5 was 71k usd new the new s5 will be significantly more for 1/4 the car

[@thomascrompton79]

HOLY COW !!! 70K that's mental for an S5 Avant ....

[@laurapalmerTDGE]

Yep. For a Volkswagen.

[@LeeAvison]

Don't forget A6 and RS6 will be all Electric and , Cherish this AUDI. because BMW have made their final M5 which is over 100K.

[@LeeAvison]

👍👍

[@LeeAvison]

OH it's a Hybrid . I forgot to mention.

[@G82Watts]

​@@LeeAvisonbmw m5 at 120k is a bargain considering it's competition

[@markor.8665]

short answer: no! long answer: noooooooooooooooooooo!

[@WHYTEPC]

I have to say the opening shot is worldclass Joe, massive props for the production value there!

[@juliantaylor8777]

Car prices have gone mad. The car companies are taking the p*ss. I am another who won't buy new or even nearly new anymore. Even as a good earner I can't afford to burn that kind of cash. The depreciation will be interesting.

[@kevin-l7r7p]

I think you'll find the depreciation will be....EPIC

[@SirBioSnake]

Yeah I can't see how anyone can justify the cost of new cars anymore. The monthly payments for a new car is more like the cost of a mortgage now

[@kevletmein]

The rapid depreciation has really hurt the car market over the last few years post Covid. Prices from manufacturers are now too high and with new tech coming out all the time, nobody wants these cars second hand anymore until they’ve hit rock bottom.

[@neilturner6749]

Don’t blame the manufacturers. Blame your politicians. Manufacturers have to sell 25% or so of their EU production as EV, and are losing a fortune on those as they have to practically give them away at way below cost-price in order to sell them. To avoid going bust very quickly, they’re having to dramatically up the profit margin on the 75% of production that’s still ICE. This issue is going to get worse and worse as the % of EV sales has to increase by law every year.

[@manicospic]

Current a4 interior in my opinion is a much better space to seat in, much more invinting and cosier, this New one is very plain, not tesla plain, but plain for an Audi. But overall a much better car in almost every aspect.

[@an09dre]

Joe , I don’t believe you are correct on the £10k price difference.. The base price for The BMW 340i tourer is £61k however the Audi S5 Avant is The Launch edition which is £71k. If you take the list of options included on The Audi and add them to The 340i base unsurprisingly you get to circa £71k ..

[@atanasvasilev3228]

The BMW is really expensive then. The model is already old. It started looking dated. At least with the Audi you will be fresh for some time. Base S5 > M340. I liked the BMW, but that price is wild! Not that I approve Audi's, but at least it's not a 6 years old design. Cmon, now. There shouldn't be comparison.

[@an09dre]

@@atanasvasilev3228 Agreed 👍

[@error_nr-1232]

Thanks for clearing that up.

[@xnlyxn9862]

What options are there in the audi that the base m340i doesnt have?

[@steveaparicio]

How have VAG not learnt anything from haptic buttons issues yet

[@edward92128]

VW got rid of them from the Golf facelift so it’s odd they’re on this car

[@chrisjohnhyman]

It saves them too much money.

[@chasf3433]

VW group designers need to take a close look at the latest Kia interiors with their excellent blend of real buttons, paddles etc and touch screens. The new EV3 just nails the driver interface.

[@hotdog9262]

@@chasf3433 nothing except luxury/non essential should be touch screen. few in expensive cars does this now

[@oscarshen6855]

They know it's annoying, but they don't care. Touch panels are much cheaper to make and less likely to breakdown than real buttons because less moving parts are involved. They are already a struggling business, cutting jobs left right and center.

[@danI43541]

Actually the S5 already comes fully loaded at £71k. At the moment it’s only offered as a fully loaded edition one, hence the price. So a comparable M340i costs the same, if not a tiny bit more. But I guess this info wasn’t available right at the press launch

[@kennixox262]

What is fully loaded? Prestige package, sport differential etc? No doubt other features that I can't think of at the moment.

[@anthonydeschoolmeester3521]

Pano roof, 20 inch wheels, adaptive cruise, massage seats, heated steering, heat or vented front seats. Real Nappa leather sports seats. All as standard on the launch S5 and everything I have listed above is now an extra on the M340i. In fact, the standard m340i comes with fabric seats and 18 inch wheels as standard. So if you add all the additional bits to compare apples with apples, the Beemer is a lot more expensive. BMW have striped out the standard M340 to the bare bones 😢😞​@@kennixox262

[@geoffnewman2069]

Even if it was the same price as the M340i I'd still pick the Bmw.

[@deividasmaslauskas2815]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Kelveron]

Excellent test as usual. Loving the background drop right at the beginning of the video.

[@alisonsmith3817]

These manufacturers deserve to go under

[@trr9230]

Why?

[@g.d2450]

100% excessive corporate greed needs a massive correction. sales are slumping across all car brands so it's only a matter of time before they come back to reality or fail altogether

[@alisonsmith3817]

@@trr9230 manufacturers have to many share holders wanting there massive pay, if the situation was reversed and they were selling cars as fast as they could make them they would charge even higher prices,, all comes down to greed it’s in its nature,, you don’t think there is conflict of interest within governments worldwide,,, it’s more rigged than wrestling

[@donaldvankleeck2004]

@@trr9230 Because these car companies have no excuse for failing other than putting idiots in charge. There is no shortage of customers, there is endless data on what customers want, so building a car people will buy that makes a profit for the company should be easy for a competent management team.

[@gw7624]

The new naming convention is an act of insanity. They should have called an electric A4 the E4 or something.

[@elchucapablas]

Genius, short and elegant. Great idea

[@MisterCreative]

do not worry no one will buy them and they will about face before they go under.

[@shanemcpherson1015]

A4E would sound right, no complications.

[@johngoodwin1710]

As a design concept, in typical Audi fashion, this is absolutely on-point. But whatever, you can get an awful lot of brilliant M340i Touring for a lot less 👀

[@ahorton6786]

Have they already added the fine they'll pay for not selling enough EVs, that's crazy prices you can keep it.

[@petergilderdale]

Not sure if you're joking, but I think there's some truth in what you wrote.

[@ahorton6786]

@petergilderdale it's not a joke, they will be fined for not hitting EV sale targets and have been factoring this in for a while now.

[@apj.-.-.-.-.-.-.-119]

Audi are very close to reaching the target set by the EU this year unlike every other non EV only brand. The only reason they haven't already achieved it is supply issues with the Q4.

[@NY20N]

The diesel would be a good investment before the car market completely goes bananas

[@BeezonToast]

I know I might get slated here, but I think the S4 Avant in this video is absolutely stunning.. nicer looking than most beemers. Don't care about new car prices, don't buy new cars. 3 / 4 years old is the sweet spot for me

[@multigamer1213]

Over 2 tons in a “compact” estate is bonkers. Beautiful vid on those roads!

[@TheEryk03]

This is not compact.

[@motlatsikhomari7254]

This car is not over 2 tons bro...Joe is lying...do your research

[@megatoothster]

@@motlatsikhomari7254 Audi quote 1965kg WITHOUT a driver, 2040 kg WITH a driver.

[@danieljennings7548]

Great video Joe. Honest review and a solid first impression of its driving dynamics.

[@wekanye2]

i always look forward to your reviews Joe ... they are well rounded

[@dodo22r]

amazing content as allways Joe, but today was special for me, especially for scenary at the beginnig of the video, that great looking town on mountain top, great stuff, keep it up!

[@vindevhunta4905]

The prices for cars these days is crazy… Audi makes the better looking wagons

[@SC-it3kd]

VW Groups pricing is insane at the moment. Spoke to someone at Bentley today about the new continental and they said that the first edition models are £300k. That is mental money for any car but especially something that will be worth £100k used in 3 years

[@robru]

Excellent review Joe, informative and tells you everything you need to know 👏

[@bartlemy]

The obsession with touch tech esp onbthe steering wheel is putting me off this car

[@carstenmadsen1365]

C'on Joe.. besides the current 3 series, every new Audi is much better looking than every new bmw!! God that bmw's top designer has been fired!

[@edward92128]

The Z4 still looks nice in my opinion

[@carstenmadsen1365]

@edward92128 yeah i can give you that🤔 but what else in the bmw lineup look's good? And i'm a bmw fan.. but they need to look as good as they drive to be seen in one!😅

[@Jmarzx]

@@carstenmadsen1365u trippin the m340i nd m3 look amazing nd definitely m8 nd x3M

[@PEACEOUTXX1]

I love the new bmws. They look new. Unlike audi which looks like it could be a 2018 model or something. Plus as far as performance and fun bmw just kills audi in every aspect.

[@Seeyan86]

I must say the rear three quarter view is really nice on this one (and I’m a BMW driver)

[@Rthornhill1959]

Joe slightly wrong with the pricing prediction the 71k is virtually the full price only real option to add is paint everything else is standard. See the configurator UK spec is called Edition 1

[@LukeeCheung]

The scenery looks unreal

[@Carsrlifepnw]

State side folks over just looking on at these wagons and realizing how much Audi and others still have good style. Only if they were offered here. But Audi has a pricing problem. Joe, you said just like i did when i saw the RS5 price 😅

[@SM_TheTraveller]

Great video :) crazy price tag

[@bispal]

That was a fantastic presentation 👏🏻 TBF I don't like the car, especially all those screens and the weight, but nicely presented. I owned a B8.5 S5 sport back, and it was utterly unremarkable. I once drove to the Swiss Alps for a week and don't remember anything about the car, even though it was tuned to 444bhp. That could mean it's great, as it was comfortable and did nothing wrong. But for me, it just meant the car was dull as ditchwater, as was my B7 RS4. So I'm off Audis for life but did, non the less, really enjoy your review. 👍🏻 I also once owned a SAAB 900 and you could turn all the instrument lights and displays off inside, like a fighter jet. I loved that feature. All that remained was the speedo for legal reasons. The thought of 3 full width screens glaring at me in the dark I find massively unappealing and distracting.

[@1991julez]

Good little snippet of market info at the start. Liked that But all new cars are just flat out way too expensive and way too heavy. I had a B8.5 S4 and I’d happily go back to that over this

[@jamesrad6317]

"It has grown, especially in length..." *Whythankyou* 🥁🥁💥

[@76sagman]

My S4 b9 was 50k from memory so it's a 20k uplift. Mental

[@faisalleeds]

There is a brand new RS4 for sale @ 60K 😮 Guess it might not have any options at that price, but still a great car when an M3 estate is £80K

[@uweboker5983]

Informative review! The car looks great! This only thing is the tail lights are not my taste. But it's a great car anyway!

[@vpnconsult]

Love the design ❤

[@-.__.__.-Rad]

Did they take the ZF8 out and put back in the 7sp DCT from the base a4 b9? then added 10k to the price? The overrev remarks remind of my current b9 2.0T sportback Should I also guess the awd is the ultra?

[@apj.-.-.-.-.-.-.-119]

if you think the gearbox in this is the same as the gearbox in a base model you've lost your mind, AWD system will be different and significantly more robust too as you'd expect.

[@nademmabrouk2654]

Wow the Chinese are really gonna take over the international car market soon with this type of competition

[@dennisjames9091]

I have an older BMW 335i with M-Sport package and all the interior trim is aluminum instead of piano black plastic (same in non M-Sport !), and all the plastics are soft-touch all the way down, including the door bins. Plus, it has actual mechanical buttons and knobs for everything that matters, you don't have to look at screens and find menus while driving. I wouldn't trade that car against a new one, believe it or not.

[@AliBadman-u9n]

I see the thumbnail and I’m like yep, I could make that a very real world consideration. Back end looks great, front, meh, those grill highlights in the lighter grey have always looked meh to me.. But… 71k base. Excuse my french but toss me off and call me Linda. That’s insane! No wonder new car sales are falling heavily. What’s that worth in three years? High twenties ? I might sound old but the worlds gone mad

[@murraygordon]

Beautiful vid. Seemed like you were trying your best to give it the benefit of the doubt, but didn't see the smile you have in all your M340i vids. For the sake of a couple of cm of rear legroom, I'll be sticking with a G21 M340i Touring.

[@tubejorrit]

Looks like older cars are the way to go.

[@timfitzgerald109]

I agree with you Joe. I too love the interior but I am not a fan of the exterior as the 340i wagon has better lines and over all is a better looking vehicle. It is going to be interesting to see what the RS5 variant looks like as I'm sure Audi will so something special there and make the body look more widen and aggressive as they have done in the past. Great review as always Joe

[@spinnetti]

The odd models should be the 'leccy ones. Just gonna confuse customers. That Avant looks really nice though; very slick update

[@Mieznn]

I asked myself the Same question for weeks haha. Thanks for clearing that up

[@prowler13prowler]

Im surprised Joe didnt mention that its predominantly fwd with the new ultra haldex ( or whatwver its called) system and how that makes the car feel compared to the previous S4, and the current competitors.

[@eliotsalandybrown]

👍 I'm with you on steering feel Joe!

[@gaara4667]

Yeah nah Gimme the M3 Touring and call it a day

[@Creativemindlikefinewine]

Are those 2 piston brakes on the front wheels? S4/S5 had 6 piston brakes on the previous generation.

[@77youdoc]

thank god Joe's voice has recovered🙂 - I was getting worried

[@JoeAchilles1]

Unfortunately I recorded this a week before the M5 videos, it's still bad 😔

[@patb5266]

I have a B9A4 and it's the high point in my opinion. I think this gen will be sought after in the coming years , it's not perfect but it's well built, easy to use and a blast to drive. I can't stand the black piano crap in the new Audi's!

[@SapphireSamC]

With the introduction of this new S4, surly it’s going to make the prices of the previous gen b9 & b9.5 RS4’s hold their value or even go up! Especially if they have low miles. Such a great, desirable model.

[@Johnny91832]

This looks soo good

[@andyking2cargarage]

Great review as always Joe. Front end looks cheap rent with those silver vents. That being said, the rest of it looks lovely inside and out, but pricing is insane.

[@gazbradshaw9445]

I priced one up estate in black with plenty of options. 71k would love one and is on my list...

[@G2020-]

That's a lovely looking thing I'd really rather like one of these. Price is staggering so I'll have a look in a year or two when Mr depreciation done his work.

[@brycebrown1]

Great review, Joe! I wonder if that deceleration delay will improve as the throttle adapts to the driver. That'd be a little unnerving, and another addition to lack of driver engagement.

[@myporscheadventures]

Brilliant video as always. Great looking car imo but I just couldn‘t see myself spending that kind of money on a car which is basically just an A to B car

[@Prickly-Hedgehog]

£71k starting price, that is just crazy.

[@edward92128]

They’re all over the place with their engines for the S4/S5s. The pre facelift B9 had a petrol, the facelift had a diesel and now it’s back to petrol. Make your minds up

[@daytonars5]

Only England, they’re running 9s over here with S5s and S4s, they screwed you for some reason.

[@apj.-.-.-.-.-.-.-119]

only in the EU bud, they only used the same diesel engine for 5 years so yeah they should really make their mind up!!!!

[@Octocoupler]

It looks beautiful

[@phil-o-sophEinstein]

Where was the filming location? Thanks for answering

[@TC10193]

Jonny Smith will be pleased that the steering wheel on his Allegro has been imitated here 😂

[@djal3xus]

I would go with second hand Golf 7.5 R avant, that will be faster after some mild tuning, more reliable, much more cheaper and in my personal opinion (that is strongly subjective) has very nice interior that doesn't look outdated at all.

[@londonlore5881]

Thanks Joe. On balance, I think I’ll stick to my G21 M340i Touring 😊👍🏽 I love that thing 🫶🏽.

[@nosedive1st]

Someone with a business and economics background please correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t we’ve reached plateau in terms of advanced features where we can update cars less often, say every two or three years? I can understand an annual tweet in ergonomics and aerodynamics of vehicles but all these incremental advances creep up prices by making customers expect a certain level but without them advancing it all the much at all. Not quite on the level of Subaru, because their sheet metal leaves a lot to be desired, but their safety and dynamics of their mechanics. Would this temper rising costs if not corporate greed?

[@slideybackfast]

I’m seeing a lot of similarities with the Arteon R Shooting Brake, except for the price, which is nuts!! The styling and wheelbase could eaisly be identical looking at it on screen, be interested in the comparisons. I do feel like the Arteon would benefit from a larger capacity engine, but not at the cost of adding on hybrid and let’s be clear, it most definitely doesn’t feel underpowered! Do like the look of this S5 though.

[@fuzzynutter8344]

I wonder why Audi chose not only to replace the saloon with a hatch, which is a rare non-coupe body style for premium offerings in this class, but also drop (2dr & 5dr) coupe versions too.

[@Veyronp87]

i think this is a really nice car, and a good new gen of the s5. very good daily

[@guy4469]

I love my 1999 BMW E38 So quiet and its on 200,000 miles now .

[@lostgleammedia]

Rear looks great, front as usual for modern cars isn’t up to much

[@Adam-M1]

Good looking that’s for sure.

[@Birmingham_racing]

It's half 6 in the morning for me it was a bad idea trying to understand the naming strategy this early

[@JoeAchilles1]

🤣👌

[@juanluisbarconrojas8950]

Hola,Joe!!! Buen trabajo. I❤️bmw. Un saludo.Juan Luis.🤝🐳

[@johnmull59]

For that price Id get a Volvo V60 (T6 or T8) load lugger and an Alpine A110! I feel some big name car manufacturers are going to get seriously unstuck in the not too distant future.

[@TomScrut]

RRP is significantly more than what my RS4 was in December brand new. I expect there's going to be discounts available, can't explain the price any other way!

[@MonstaMunch101]

Bought a brand new S3 Vorsprung when the facelift came out. It didn't work properly when I picked it up and still doesn't work properly now. Audi have admitted to me in writing that they were aware of severe software issues before they even sold them, but chose to carry on selling them anyway. It was my 4th new Audi in the last 3 years and will be the last car I ever buy from them. Going back to Mercedes, they might not look as good but they work and for the price of cars nowadays, it's entirely reasonable to expect them to work properly.

[@bodymappping]

2006 A4 3.2 V6 Quattro owner - very happy with the B7 styling and 2nd hand price. New chain and cylinder head at appox 140,000 miles - otherwise drives perfectly.... £70K !!

[@suhail1200]

It's crazy when u can get this or a a45s, rs3 for 70k new or spend a bit more get a new m2.

[@markrhoden68]

How much 😮 and the full fat RS4 avant is better value, confused as to what Audi was thinking here

[@KevinThomas-kxtphotography]

That is mint. 😎👍

[@SquashysDaddy]

Still a way to go for VAG to compare their Audi brand with BMW.

[@daytonars5]

Looking forward to the RS5, then the facelift when they fix the badges and buttons.

[@R8andGT3Fan]

I didn't know it was THAT heavy, and...same price as the current RS4? Madness. Looks good though.

[@delazlo]

Cabin space is not the reason why Audi is putting the engines so much forward on the front axle. The Quatro 4wd does not use a front transfer case. Instead, the driveshafts come right out of the gearbox and connect the front wheels. This means that the Quatro gearbox needs to be somewhere on the front axle, and the engine sits forward.

[@RST9413]

😂😂 They use this configuration for pendulum effect buddy. Is not the only car doing that. Most of cars use this effect. 😂😂😂 people are still dumb even after 100 years of Audi. Just incredible

[@oesterga]

Your fellow KZbinr RBR was impressed with the steering in the new S5 Avant mentioning it is a lot more responsive ? I dont know which of you tested the car first but maybe this has already been adjusted ?

[@JoeAchilles1]

We attended the launch on the same day actually.

[@RCBell617]

The overdrive feeling is probably the intelligent coasting? Turned this feature off in my current S4

[@Account1746]

It’s a clean one lads

[@THjorth]

Awesome review. Not too sure about the car though. Exterior is growing on me, interior is the opposite. Joe can you elaborate. Has Audi moved away from having the wide map screen behind the steering wheel to just having it on the MMI on the dash? If so that would, believe or not, be an instant deal breaker for me.

[@robicosmi]

Crazy prices 😮

[@kano0303]

Correction, the change of engine labels from 2.0 TFSI to 45 TFSI was for the Chinese Market. The Chinese don't like small numbers. I was told this by several AUDI salesmen

[@jsmoove8041]

I suspect there will be a cheaper 'base' S5 coming. These are Edition 1 cars, so fully loaded as Joe mentioned.

[@AyushGupta-pg1ts]

Whats different b/w bmw mercedes 48v mild hybrid is it same or even better ?