Joe Budden Explain Why Things Got HEATED Between Him & Ish Arguing Over a Woman

[@dparker6798]

Stay away from people who refuse to be held accountable for their actions…

[@nuggetfresh9641]

who Katt and Monique? 😅😅😅 just joking, dont want no smoke

[@Noog6284]

Absolutely

[@NadiaJones-g4j]

💯 exactly

[@glitchtv4279]

the person who is refusing to be held accountable is Ish. Ish misinterpreted the whole thing, then presented it to us like the girl specifically said Joe tried to hit. In reality nobody ever accused Joe of trying to fk only Ish. In this clip when they grill him on it we find out she never said that to him. He got the whole Joe was tryna hit off of the fact that they kissed, then at the end he even says no codes were violated. Yet we get comments like this. People think just because they convince the majority to be on their side that means they’re right. Often times the majority are wrong this one of those times. I’m glad Joe stood on his position and didn’t apologize for something that didn’t happen or apologize for Ish mind playing tricks on him

[@idarethetruthfromeverybody.]

Jo slimey fore this one.

[@DreLaylow]

Someone who can’t admit when they’re wrong is very dangerous

[@DeRussellMasina]

💯 🎯 Narcissist Joe

[@uoooogg2148]

parks suckin joe meat

[@Skywalker721]

Respectfully, this is exactly why a lot of women today are single & not deemed marriage material. Don’t shoot the messenger. 😅

[@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749]

Like every colonizer lol

[@capo4ever334]

@@hitthisloudgbeforeichangem5749come here boy let me colonize that azz

[@heavymentalmafia]

Joe Buddens ego is so outta control even when he dead wrong he think he right even when the evidence and consensus says otherwise

[@kjk607]

This word gets thrown around A LOT these days, but Joe it actually fits perfectly. He's a Narcissist.

[@ronnielister1023]

Joe problem is he thinks he is the smartest man in any room he walks in and that is why he never sees himself being wrong

[@RealParadox85]

He's a woman, that's why. Women never accountable.

[@savlosavage]

Not letting Ish talk is bananas ....

[@xbabu142x]

Joeseph Budden claiming with a straight face he got class and decorum is nasty work.

[@SankofaNYC]

It was a combination of Ish trying to hard to look like the calm good guy and not speaking up at all, not interrupt anyone at all, combined with him make long pauses, and also definitely him being interruptted often. Between all of that, some of it being his fault and some of it being theirs, you are right, Ish ends up saying very little here. Either way ultimately they resolve it in the end of the segement pretty much... good for them

[@savlosavage]

@SankofaNYC it's funny because I was really hoping he was going to offer something different as far as information but it was like ... nope ... he still salty

[@smugfrm4102]

What could he have said differently 😂😂 he already stated he didn’t want to talk about it again. Yall nxggas be on yall own universe

[@smugfrm4102]

@@savlosavage That’s in response to you bruh

[@MrGoodGuyTv]

Joe FINALLY holds himself accountable @ 14:00

[@SuperRedWaffle]

😂😂😂

[@quemetro2857]

Lmao😂😂😂😂

[@jalilsharief1192]

You got me real good 😂😂😂

[@themofomayor]

Literally tried fo FF.... HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

[@graysonred2641]

💀💀 you got me

[@VistaNiceGuy]

I’m still tryna understand why Joe just casually kissing randoms in the mouth like it’s a hug or sumn

[@Futurelawyer812]

Insane 😂😂

[@Mo13uckets]

Especially ones that was supposedly “for the streets”

[@MH-et4bo]

Called her a mutt which was disgusting

[@Caleb-sl5vn]

@@ToasterForLifeextremely powerful 😂😂😂

[@alpizzle2963]

Yuck

[@kingofcomments1917]

I hate when a dude that forgets the shit he says 97% of the time say “ I didn’t say that or I don’t remember that “ of course you don’t 😂

[@SuperChaosTTV]

That "I don't remember" makes my blood boil

[@SBSBuckeyeG]

If Flip is the only one on your side and the world is on Ish side…you lost

[@papzonline5502]

Flip be D riding he knows his mans is wrong in this situation

[@user-uy8ji5qb7u]

Flip is alittle jealous of ish and I think a part of it is his fascination with Mel

[@_badmanmo]

Facts 😂.. love flip but his take on this just sounds like he’s tryna secure his job 😂

[@What5Poppin5lime]

You can tell flip never got women like that

[@jayjay-dz3is]

Facts smh

[@str8flyness23]

I could not be bothered with Joe!!! Ish you aren’t crazy!!!! You are absolutely right!!!

[@mikemccausland6587]

He is literally the narcissistic boss who's mood for the day is based on how he woke up.

[@Hizzoner21]

Team Ish all day. Been a Joe fan since '02/'03, but it stops after the music. Personality wise? I can see why he's made a ton of enemies.

[@Sincere-dd4jk]

I couldn't have said it better 💯

[@tishahay2641]

Ish reeks of light skinned privilege... And Joe is very ignorant!! Lol

[@fptheghost]

Son, I say this shit all the time… hurt me to find out he was a loser after years of really loving his music

[@kiewannagonsalves282]

BETTER BELIEVE IT….‼️‼️💄💋

[@dannysha6458]

@@fptheghost Joe knows how to make content and I watch his content regularly but I see people defend him like he isn’t a woman beater, manipulative, emotional, and a hater lol

[@ytrbro1041]

The point of the debate changed, the original point was Budden saying he does not mess around with women that his friends mess with. Ish said yes you do and here is an example then all hell broke loose 🤣

[@SolaceMcfly]

thank you cause i was mad lost

[@MegaBlackmamba23]

Shoutout to Rory and Mal this explains alot

[@mapitizat]

🤣🤣🤣☠️

[@azlstrhl]

Same gone happen to these lot sooner or later... Joe a ticking bomb of narcissism and we know this. I'm just here for the wreckage 😂

[@jonesy1221]

fax. and people will still try to find a way to say they were just trippin

[@robinelmungongo8766]

On Gawd 😂

[@ireckoppz]

You weak just like Rory and mal

[@sdestatus411]

This that shit Rory and Mal was against, he can’t be accountable.

[@deesee2051]

Nah they thought they were owners and not employees

[@Bsharp4444]

Or show the accounts!

[@ramodemmahom8905]

@@deesee2051 Employees are not entitled to their fair wages?

[@deesee2051]

@@ramodemmahom8905 you noticed they never said how much they got paid wonder why not ? If they didn’t get fair pay why haven’t they sued him

[@ramodemmahom8905]

@@deesee2051 They did say how much they got paid. Even if they did not, that would be irrelevant. Suing your partner or employer is not an easy task and the latter almost always has the advantage. Besides, they were longtime friends. I have been stolen from by my employer and I couldn't in a million years take him to court let alone win.

[@dannysha6458]

I like Joe, man knows how to make content, but when it comes to personal shit I always assume he’s in the wrong. He’s emotional and can never admit when he’s wrong.

[@JW-zc4sk]

This has absolutely nothing to do with the situation, but I always thought Ice looked like an Ish and Ish looks more like an Ice. 😂

[@IkeDezi]

😂😂😂

[@Simply1Vic]

I feel so tickled because I’ve always thought the exact same. 😂😂😂

[@robinelmungongo8766]

Bruh 😂 I thought I was the only one lmao

[@getmoe9]

😂😂😂 facts

[@niyyxx9185]

when i first started binging tryna figure out who was who, i thought the same😭

[@Kevin082088]

Flip is starting off strong with yes man of the year lol The ball glazing is crazy

[@sonofforever1]

😂😂😂😂

[@DJeezy007]

The original premise was he wouldn't even say hi to one of his boys exes.

[@dpitt258]

People forget that convo......now he talk to alot of they exes

[@myAmazinglife333]

thank you!!!

[@MrKingShyneAllDay]

That's what Ish is forgetting to say

[@MrJ1S]

Friendly tongue kissing is WILD 😂

[@JReece3000]

Bro said he has “class n decorum” while also admitting that the girl he was tongue kissing at the back of the bar was “from the gutter like Das EFX” this man is NUTS 😂😂😂😂

[@gregoryjones7074]

You can tell Joe was lying because he kept interrupting Ish everytime Ish said a word. Then Joe kept saying I don't remember this I don't remember that...let it go Joe

[@clbrooks2007]

I only listened for the 1st 2min to see if Joe was FINALLY going to take even a small pinch of accountability... NOPE moved the goal post again... Ice caught it too, "intentionally" ... Small word but mighty when a narcissist inserts it when you're 9th and base. This is why it doesn't pay to have a conversation with a Narcissist. This is their arena, this is their sport. They can do this all day and not get exhausted because they feed off it. When the WHOLE WORLD sided with Ish and called Joe out for Gaslighting, Joe turns around and says the whole world lacks comprehension and calls Mel a parrot for stating the obvious... I imagine that the only reason these folks remain on the pod is because rent in NYC is expensive and no one wants to be unemployed, but believe you me, they all hate it there and are counting the days until they can find something else.

[@Eli-ss9gj]

Idk how the hell his cohosts do it. He seems exhausting and beyond frustrating to deal with… I feel that way just WATCHING him, imagine WORKING WITH him.

[@KENICKYTV]

1000 percent agree with every word .. seems its mostly woman who can agree to this point . I think because we deal with narcissists men our entire life and can identify them in an instant .. men sometime wanna get confused by the actions

[@folabomiamoo]

Flip, there's no blind trust or loyalty. Brothers literally betray one another. You'll be a fool if you only believe your man and no one else.

[@tonymcclendon3128]

Joe is not as much of a friend to any of these guys as he makes out to be. Man has no real respect for his “friends” feeling on the situation. Just his

[@ariesLily]

From the episodes and clips I have seen, I have to agree.

[@mistabernz7455]

never seen a dude so proud that he out here tongue kissing randoms lol

[@azlstrhl]

Diddy is his boy... so that's nothing compared to what he most probably done did 😂

[@glitchtv4279]

How she random and the whole issue is she’s Ish “ex” they both know…

[@0331tate]

@@glitchtv4279a random is a term for a girl anybody can hit

[@superexclusive452]

@@glitchtv4279Joe tryna imply that she’s a random 😂

[@decundiwatkins4395]

To be clear he called her a sewer rat

[@TopBossOfficial]

The only reason I’m tired of this argument is cuz the goal posts was moved way too much, didn’t Joe say mad long ago that he wouldn’t interact w his friends old exes whatsoever… not specifically sleepin w them

[@BillyRayCoolAF]

He said all that and then denied Ish even introducing them. But, you gotta remember that Joe was heavy on drugs back then. So, of course his memory is far from crisp about it. The Mandela Effect in real time is happening to that man. Lol

[@TopBossOfficial]

@@BillyRayCoolAF yeah I see why ish be yelling and Joe got a convincing tone 😭

[@SmithMaignan]

Exactly what are we talking about. He said he wouldn’t do it than ish gave an example of him doing it. Who cares about the girl or a kiss. Smh

[@glitchtv4279]

@@SmithMaignan I hate y’all “exactly” mfs exactly what??! What you’re saying exactly to is exactly wrong lol the original statement was “I don’t fk behind my friends” in this clip he adds “on purpose” … the example Ish used doesn’t prove Joe wrong because he didn’t do anything sexual with ol girl. That’s the issue, ish doing that soft ass lightskin shit cuz he lost his girl.. As a man you shouldn’t question another man’s character unless you got that evidence to support what you’re saying. Don’t attack my character claiming I smashed some girl you was with when I didn’t. Ish threw this story down like he had a draw 4 to what Joe claimed but he didn’t he just a sucker for love. If you’re going to attack Joe’s claim that he doesn’t fk behind his friends then his example should include Joe actually fkn the girl.

[@zacharystallworth6373]

The point is not the girl. The point is that joe said something & did something else 🧐

[@Futurelawyer812]

Joe simply doesn’t understand integrity

[@dpitt258]

​@@Futurelawyer812at all

[@lastonewon]

This whole conversation is embarassing, 40 year olds talking about kissing and having sexual relations with people they friends have already dealt with its a dead subject. The fact that it appears to be so triggering to both individuals after such a long time now in long term relationships is interesting

[@shesbaldbutiwould]

its not embarassing when it yields millions of dollars,

[@lastonewon]

@@shesbaldbutiwould I guarantee you this particular conversation didn't yield "millions of dollars" for a genuine conversation that yields millions of dollars watch club Shay Shay interview of kat Williams !! 😄

[@ossbeats8314]

ok so what if it is , now what?

[@lastonewon]

@@ossbeats8314 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@savagegamer2292]

You don't really understand the topic do you?

[@brandonf.8360]

With a friend like Joe... Nevermind 🤦🏿‍♂️🤣

[@IvryBlak]

Who needs enemies?

[@brandonf.8360]

​​@@IvryBlakwho needs anyone in that case?

[@robertjohnson6252]

Facts! Say THAT!....Or just.....😂

[@mrsjxsn]

I thought he said he doesn’t even say HI to ANYBODY his man’s use to work 🤔

[@TyroneLDStyle]

Joe kissing random “street mutts” as he termed it is still the wildest takeaway from all this 😂

[@glitchtv4279]

How y’all taken away she’s a random when the whole issue is she isn’t a random

[@quaniereacts]

@@glitchtv4279the point is Joe tried to make her seem random but he kissed her 😂 obviously

[@glitchtv4279]

@@quaniereacts how did Joe try to make her seem random? He literally tried to make the opposite argument he said he met her through someone else. It’s like y’all think random means something else

[@quaniereacts]

@@glitchtv4279 he literally said street mutt random. He said she wasn’t shit. The point is why are you kissing a mutt?

[@KingDTB]

Joe thinks he too slick bro was 100% Wrong

[@kylebenbow431]

Idk why its so hard to say "I try not to holler at girls my dudes been with. That 1 time I did. It was uncalled for. My bad. I never go down that route again". Like nobody really cares fam. Ish doesn't care. He just cares you keep lying about it for no reason at all besides trying to get to this semantic war between if kissing someone is trying to have sex with them or not, which is just so absurd

[@DominicHolder-nn3um]

Literally the whole point 😂

[@HumbleKeto]

Ish knows, deep down, that Joe is not a solid brother and he seemed to have definitely learned so much more about his ‘friend’ during this podcast than ever before! Joe is a friend most solid men wouldn’t want to have.

[@drewstar8611]

The joke is, if Joe met said girl through someone else, he still went behind the friends back and tongued her down. So the same rules apply 😂😂

[@Revengesender]

Didn’t Joe called her a Mud Rat now he is casually kissing her 😂 yeah this man is crazy

[@deesee2051]

It’s not shocking if you know his history he’s a lame when it comes to women

[@jayball1749]

Joe always forgetting things and having no convenient amnesia is a great defense in situations like this, but I could never fully trust someone like that. And I don’t think Ish and none of them do.

[@dominiquecherisee]

The fact Joe can’t allow Ish to finish talking is crazy lol.

[@Somervision]

This math ain't mathing...she for the streets but you tonguing her down

[@darnelldarden9429]

Imagine trying to hold a conversation about accounting with a person like this.

[@1hunnid544]

Joe low-key love when the conversation is based around him. This ain't podcasting. It's old ninjas sitting around having young adult conversations talking about beef within the squad with one female listening.

[@SortofFriendlySM]

I didn’t know Joe was a golden medal Gymnast

[@Oysterhorse]

All star dancer

[@azlstrhl]

He got 1st place 10 years running 🏅

[@matthewdar886285]

FLIPPING ALL OVER THE DAMN PLACE

[@str8flyness23]

So we tongue kiss ransoms in the mouth!!!! Crazy!!!!

[@latebloomer177]

It’s very popular in European culture. Joe used to hang with a lot of Italians and all kinds of chicks, so I am not surprised by this kind of stuff.

[@jona1han2k4]

@@latebloomer177f that all; if I’m tongue kissing a random chick at 2am. I have intent on piping

[@lowkeypopi]

Flip embarrassing bruh

[@violetseeiso8025]

Yoh Flip please

[@mathewmcfool]

Make it make sense Mel 😂 0:19 EVERYBODY

[@catastrophecookies6066]

“Hitting those Devry words” 😂😂😂

[@Seay-u3o]

"Where i come from" , the beginning of selfish conversations...... Classic 😮

[@jayg6222]

Why couldn’t they distract flip during this conversation so he didn’t have to ruin it 😂😂

[@rxhuggs8653]

joe is sad but ultimately i gotta blame Ish for calling a person like this your friend. its one thing to make the mistake, its another thing to not admit you were wrong and also not apologize

[@michealbourguillon2114]

Easy to look over some things when you get money out of it but he stays in the “friendship” so I can’t blame joe for being who he is.

[@glitchtv4279]

How should Joes apology go???

[@billydakid601]

I mean they just got back cool since Ish said there was a moment they didn't talk for years.

[@joemadisonstudios]

Flip makes discussions difficult by taking sides of People and not studying with right or wrong and gives people an out.

[@kevthepoet]

Joe is really so narcissistic that he thinks EVERYbody ELSE is crazy lol

[@soar12]

Joe lying . He hit 😂

[@jjstaticxp5137]

Facts 😂😂

[@pay_attn]

definitely

[@latebloomer177]

1000% the conversation is always confusing and trash. Of course he did it

[@kgosithato4422]

I adamantly agree!

[@wizkhalifa101]

Ish got his ass! 🤣🤣🤣

[@ariesLily]

We stand with Ish!

[@Ezman07]

It’s mad corny that Ish can never get through a complete sentence without someone interjecting!!!!! Let him speak!!!!!

[@motv1490]

KISSING IS INTIMACY!!!!! If you kiss anyone I swear you have a personal sexual attraction! Simple and period.

[@KENICKYTV]

This is abuse of a friendship .. Sad for ish … and anyone else affected 😢😂

[@KINGDOMDAUGHTER]

Can we hear from the young lady herself, the convo is getting too murky for there is still no truth and accountability to the acts and deeds done.

[@Coast2CoastGoat]

4:36 joe must’ve said hold me accountable this episode🤣🤣🤣

[@londellcoleman6207]

I cut off my friend for this type shiii... haven't talked to him in over 30yrs .. Gregory Dowdell is his name... Joe is lying... trying to make ish look jealous... when he clearly broke that code...

[@respectfullyquestioned]

Fellas ….. that’s a violation…

[@C45HxScopes]

😂😂😂 these guys have the craziest arguments and just sit there like nothing happened the next day

[@machumufreeman]

Still wrong Joe. Just admit it.

[@MrClbrown33]

Intention has NOTHING to do with your actions. If you do something regardless of intention, you still did it. You cant justify it because it wasnt your intention

[@Dan-wc4yn]

Joe to smart to not see what EVERYONE else thinks. Cmon he either hate accountability or doing this for views

[@manuelfeliz4993]

literally 2 men that have shared alot of women between each other. their whole friendship lacks boundaries

[@user-ry5ht6qu3c]

Flip had no choice but to back Joe. Creeps

[@dojoworks7704]

I check back in on this podcast every now and then to see how far away it is from imploding

[@bryant4the328]

Joe knew to wear some glasses this day

[@Bonuscheck]

LMFAOOOO Joe face when he said “YES!” Lmaoo was fucking comedy

[@my-merethoughts5742]

Does Flip ever give Joe 🥜's room to breathe? (Retorical question)

[@wordonthestreetpodcast5472]

Joe just the homie if u decide that yall gone be cool u cant bring him around or leave him around your shorty💯

[@AudioBurial]

Narcissism 101: Gaslight, Deny, Deflect, Move the goal posts.

[@BigChrisENT]

Tongue kissing community mouth is crazy… Tongue kissing and going home is hilarious! 😂

[@Husha2263]

Dealing with ppl that pivot and move the goal post is exasperating to say the least

[@ShooterScrappy]

I don’t even think Flip agrees w Joe lol he stuck on the fact that it’s about a jump off 😂 he’s focused on the tiniest thing rather than the actual principle of it

[@jennaywilliams1024]

Kissing the jump off in the mouth 😂

[@therebellion96]

This is like re-reading an argument thread on reddit only to realize the topic that sparked the argument wasn't that deep in the first place.

[@GiantBrooklynBuffalo]

Joe Budden is delusional and a goal post mover.😂

[@melan8ed197]

Of course joe’s wearing his shades for this, he don’t wanna show the pain in his eyes💀

[@PDaGreat]

Hey Joe, we’re still on Ish’s side after this

[@johnem17]

The violation was the manipulation and name calling throughout the argument coming from Joe

[@raiderjedi4160]

Flip and Parks need to never talk about women 😂😂😂 they ain’t like that 😂

[@OmarScruggs]

Joe IS THE WORST type of friend. A friend you cant trust around your girl. Thats the worst type of friend a man can have

[@skeythay]

Why Joe just cant say "I shouldn't have kissed her in the first place, and none of this would have been an issue." That would dead it. Point is, he thinks it's cool or ok, to kiss even if he had no intentiom to hit.

[@ChicoDusty]

This right here and the other two Joe and Ish yelling segments is why Joe will never meet Ish's girl.

[@bonsmasemo1738]

top tier narrative management by one jesephet buddenbrook....All American Amnesia *chef's kiss* I salute you sir

[@NalaMahal]

The argument is hilarious 😂

[@tiffanylpleasant4181]

Everyone crazy .... Mel 👑💯👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@dwinston68]

Joe Buddens is a piece of work wow.

[@chblegendary165]

The chick they talking about is gonna pop out with an onlyfans to capitalize off this

[@King.Invictus.87]

When the camera man tried to find who was singing "love in the club" and all of them was looking like they was trying to find out too😂

[@Jrift21]

Joe is a disappointing human being at times. Nothing is more ridiculous than an adult who seldomly admits they're wrong

[@kingtchalla2775]

thank u ice jus thank u bro n SALUTE bro much love n respect all the way from the west so southern cali to b exact

[@RealParadox85]

Joe is like a woman in so many ways, he can never be wrong and when he starts to he slowly revolves the convo until you are not even discussing the original point

[@champlifenation2622]

Body language speaks volumes. Take the glasses off and look another man in the eye while you’re talking to him if you’re sincere

[@kyasianixon7824]

Joe always wants to be right , he is so annoying sometimes.

[@iam_aphe]

Nah Joe talking smack man. Can't believe he's still defending himself. Nice thing about the truth is it's unbiased. That's why everyone was on Ish's side. He's talking about code, but he broke countless ones already within the story so that's rich. Shout out to Ish for keeping it real and still riding with his man despite that. Even though he's indenial. Not many would do that.

[@aizirobinson908]

Wait. How is kissing the girl any better? If you’re prepared to kiss a friends ex then sleeping with her isn’t any worse 🤷‍♂️

[@CamPerry]

Exactly both are egregious

[@iTzReloadedLeaguexD]

Everytime Joe spoke it just seemed like he knew he was wrong but because they were so deep in the argument he just stood on not believing Ish because he already said it. I think Ish made way more sense and was correct.

[@dj2raw370]

Joe trippin for going out of his way to not take accountability. It’s harder for him to do what he’s doing than for him to just admit it and move on.