Joel Schumacher’s Batman Forever - A Misunderstood Masterpiece

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Hey, hope everyone is doing well. Now you may be thinking... Batman Forever? Joel Schumacher’s BATMAN FOREVER- A Misunderstood Masterpiece? Is this man becoming Jim Carrey, becoming The Riddler? Can HiTop Films be serious? The answer is yes, he is. In this Batman Forever Video Essay (?) (rant). In this HiTop Films Batman Video Essay I will try to to convince you that we’ve all been wrong about Batman Forever for years. So please, enjoy the video, and release the Schumacher Cut.
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[@HiTopFilms]

Hey! Hope you guys enjoy the video! It's probably my favorite video I've done (outside The Plumber of course). Stay safe. Stay creative. Much love. ❤ And please. #releasetheschumachercut.

[@swlol]

Dude you should do a #releasethewebbcut vid

[@ne3856]

This film is SO underrated. It may not be the best thing ever but it is WAY better then people give it credit for

[@spartacus1155]

9 minutes into the video and you've got me hooked and I really like the pacing, it feels just a little slower than your past work. 👍edit: 20 mins in and there's a few missteps some things that weren't necessary to bring up idc about certain directors with certain preferences working on movies, as long as the movie is good. and the big amount of cussing in some parts messes with what your trying to say just a lil bit. That's just my constructive criticism. Keep up the hard good work

[@gg_mydog968]

TBH I don’t even care when you upload

[@modnarer]

Nothing will ever top "Batman does not kill" Video, IMO it changed my opinion on so many things, and still brings me to tears when i watch it.

[@GabrielAugustomisterkakuna]

"...A total attack againt kids." What kind of 10 year old says that shit?

[@curosaber]

Probably a 10 year old who was being paid by overly sensitive adults who believe Dungeons & Dragons teaches you magic and how to summon demons.

[@GabrielAugustomisterkakuna]

@@curosaber like usual

[@davidbasset7557]

It just goes to show how manipulative news media/corporate press has always been

[@Guitarisforgrins]

@@davidbasset7557 Usually it was more the special interest groups, like Tipper Gore's gang and religious people.

[@dylansmith5206]

This kid must be a future CNN reporter.

[@worlds1ep3enthusiast92]

"It was very violent, it was a total attack against kids" That's not even close to how 10 year olds actually think

[@elijahhayes8615]

Exactly.

[@vishad91]

Obviously put up to it.

[@Rhamsody]

Yeah, that kid would have a seizure when Mortal Kombat came out. 😂

[@maximusprime3459]

Yeah, scripts. Too bad Rated K on Nickelodeon wasnt still running at that point.

[@michaelotis223]

You could get away with making kids mouthpieces in the 90s

[@thechoomofdoom6979]

Val Kilmer definitely had a great Batman voice

[@aleaanderson6600]

Yeah. His and Michael Keaton's are the closest to Kevin Conroy's IMO.

[@drezarom3627]

18:41

[@lowlowseesee]

@@aleaanderson6600 keaton sounds nothing like conroy.

[@randomfools808]

Robert Pattinson might have been influenced by his voice because they are similar.

[@dancooke8811]

Nah...Val Kilmer was too short 😢 🤣😂 to be BATMAN!

[@SoftAsABaboonAss]

Two thoughts about Forever. 1: The Bruce deleted scenes are amazing and should be spliced into an extended edition. 2: Forever is the Bat movie that feels the most like the Arkham trillogy of games.

[@WinningProduction420]

Arkham trilogy does borrow visually from Batman Forever and Batman 89. It mixes elements and embraces the larger than life aspects of comic book Batman

[@aimeemarsh9255]

👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@funkyreapercat5280]

I agree, but Arkham is a quadrilogy.

[@nonameman7114]

I always thought Kilmer’s Batman voice was similar to Kevin Conroy

[@jerbs5346]

@@nonameman7114 If anything it's Kilmer who took inspiration from Conroy.

[@AyeSunny22]

Those kids sound like they’re just repeating stuff they were told to say.

[@Alhawaii1]

Exactly... I loved Batman returns as a kid... they were paid to act like they disliked the movie, probably by some anti violence organization

[@Satchmojones]

ya think?

[@throwinshade7768]

They absolutely were

[@Thespeedrap]

That's what I'm thinking why didn't they see Disney movie if they didn't want to see Batman.

[@CeeJayThe13th]

@@Alhawaii1, I mean kids, like all other people, have different tastes and preferences and morals, but I was somewhere around 6 when it came out and I freaking loved it.

[@garrito1016]

Jim Carey’s performance alone makes this movie such a joy to watch

[@Channel-dy4vm]

I know right

[@simplesimon4374]

Jim Carry plays himself

[@Luke101]

He’s a bit much I’m not gonna lie

[@maldon3659]

The only problem I have with Jim Carreys performance as The Riddler is that it feels like he's trying to imitate Frank Gorshin without any of the menace

[@insanemurdog6556]

I disagree, I think its cringey and terrible lol

[@joshcoates9728]

I absolutely adored this movie growing up, I get chills when he says “not because I have to be...now.....because I choose to be” But I feel like that line would carry so much more weight with those added scenes

[@bbandthesv]

Val Kilmer was an amazing Batman. His voice was so perfect. And Jim Carrey was the absolute perfect Riddler.

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

Jim Carrey gave it is best, but his version was poorly written. Also, Val Kilmer was not an amazing Batman, because he doesn’t have that dark brooding feel. As Bruce Wayne, he was actually good, being that billionaire playboy. Everything else though just didn’t work.

[@Mcwatt_the_Black_Witch]

@@captainmarvelwilson508 bro batman doesnt and _shouldn’t_ have to be dark and brooding at all times, soem of the best batman moments in “batman animated” and the JL animated are when batman is being a nice guy, no brooding or dark in sight. also all of batman in the 1960s were wack and cartoony in that special way that only comics have

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

@@Mcwatt_the_Black_Witch I never said he should be like that at all times, I mean this version completely forgets that part about him. Even when he wasn't brooding and dark, he was a fearless leader alongside Superman who sometimes wasn't afraid to get pretty dirty.

[@ct6852]

I always forget that Val was a really talented actor. I think he had a string of flops that made people kind of forget about him...but he was still really good. Just less bankable.

[@Mephilis78]

he would have been better as a joker.

[@hkr0065]

"A total attack against kids." LOL what kid says something like that? They definitely overheard their parents complaining about the movie.

[@davonhall9652]

Exactly. It was complete BS.

[@Spongebrain97]

Yeah his parents just coached him into memorizing that and he probably didn't even know what it meant

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

ohhhh definately or something the producers told him to say

[@tamariomartin9080]

Those generations kids are my generation’s parents and the only “total attack against kids” were the day they took them to see that Shane Dawson movie or those skip-it toys.

[@pastorcodymitchell1456]

@@tamariomartin9080 true

[@shadowspidey]

You know Alex is telling the absolute truth when he puts the masterpiece Scooby Doo 2- Monsters Unleashed as his third favorite film when he was little.

[@boudreauxbroletariat3959]

i unironically love that movie, it's much better than it has any right to be

[@thegoodreylo4749]

I actually love the first Scooby-Doo more.

[@TJUC123]

That’s what I said!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣

[@TJUC123]

@@thegoodreylo4749 Ew. 😂

[@thegoodreylo4749]

@@TJUC123 What?

[@ct6852]

Always appreciated how much Schumacher's Gotham feels like really feels like it's own universe. You can barely tell where it's being filmed half the time. It's just over the top, colorful, and larger than life. And the characters reflect that. Very grounded emotions...in over the top situations. Props to any movie that can create a total escape like that while also feeling human. Also it's just flat out homoerotic with no fucks given. That's pretty brave for the time.

[@Malfoy1594]

This movie is BEYOND iconic & I will forever defend it to anyone who says otherwise! This movie is a masterpiece within its own right! Jim Carrey's performance alone is utterly magical!

[@Melkor8249]

Batman beyond

[@NP31330]

Val Kilmer is so underrated as Batman. His Batman gets overshadowed by the hate this film gets.

[@integrity101]

Agreed

[@Chris-qo4rt]

He's fine but kinda forgettable

[@rashadjames8996]

Agreed...tbh he was better than Keaton. Idgaf how rest of you feel

[@mrbungle3310]

​@@rashadjames8996 yes same...he reminds me of Christian bale

[@Mephilis78]

He's just kind of underrated in general, tbh.

[@ryanfolsom8851]

Gotta love the irony in Tommy Lee Jones hating Jim Carrey for his "Tomfoolery" and then becoming one of the worst parts of the film by trying to outshine him.

[@elijahhayes8615]

🤣

[@O1OO1O1]

What do you mean, "worst parts of the film"?!

[@TheLevitatingFleem]

Jim Carrey seems like an insufferable person. From what I remember Tommy Lee couldn’t stand Jim on set... not the role he was playing lol

[@ryanfolsom8851]

@@TheLevitatingFleem Yeah, he's a method actor if I'm not mistaken, so I could see that.

[@nsasupporter7557]

@Ryan Folsom Jones was just jealous of Carrey. His career didn’t take off as fast as Carrey’s, in fact no other movie star’s career took off as fast as Jim Carrey’s career. He’s so amazing and talented. That’s why TLJ was jealous. Everybody wishes they had half the talent Jim Carrey did

[@benedictusbriaan]

This Batman movie has a special place in my heart. I really love Val Kilmer as Batman.

[@wacokid30]

Batman Forever kicks ass I don’t care what anyone says. It’s criminally underrated and that’s not just nostalgia speaking. This video is so spot on thank you for standing up for this classic!

[@slumsnake1303]

I suspect many people haven't even seen this film. It was as if he had never existed. If they talk about a good Batman, they remember Michael Kitton or Christian Bale, if they talk about a bad one - George Clooney. But Vel Kilmer is usually not remembered at all. In my opinion, if he is not the best Batman, he is definitely in the top three.

[@battleupsaber462]

I don't rmb who said this, but it was pointed out that if you look at all 4 of the 90s Batman films together, they actually form a complete character arc for Bruce (in spite of how different the Burton and Schumacher films are tonally) In Batman 89 Bruce is a socially inept weirdo who has basically nothing going for him in his life besides being Batman, a quest for vengeance so obsessive that this Batman never has a no-kill rule. At the end if the movie he kills Joker,the one responsible for him becoming Batman in the first place, but he still can't let go of his desire to go after every criminal out there In Batman Returns Bruce is basically at his lowest point ever, going out as Batman every day and killing every criminal he comes across. But then he meets Penguin and Catwoman, move people who like him, felt a need to right the wrongs of society and take revenge on those responsible. He sees something of himself in both of them, especially Selina. And here Bruce sees how both of these people were completely consumed by this and became total monsters, and seemingly lost themselves as a result. Hence Bruce desides off-screen between Returns and Forver that he will no longer kill, and that he will make an effort to let more people into his life. This is why Batman is so insistent on the no-kill rule in Forever: because this Batman, unlike others, knows from first-hand experience how killing will inevitably lead one down a dark path. And this is also why in Forever and Batman and Robin, Bruce becomes more sociable and even lets Robin and Batgirl into his family. He went from a reclusive loner in 89, to someone who was willing to be better. Mind you this is probably unintentional, but i find that it fits neatly regardless.

[@genyakozlov1316]

Cut dialogue from the script says it was definitely at least partially intentional.

[@Cheetowitcheese]

I was ur 69th like 😏

[@matane2465]

B&R also has Batman seeing Alfred as a father and does everything to try and save him. He goes from killing Joker to trying to save Selina, to stopping Robin from killing Harvey to saving Alfred.

[@mcmistle9892]

You might be thinking of Linkara.

[@RV-vx9ek]

Great breakdown man. Imagine if these films were more tonally consistent across the board and done today, It'd very much be praised. Funny enough, the character arc of Batman in these 4 films, is what Zack Snyder's Batman so desperately wants to be, and fails at.

[@klaudioabazi4478]

Honestly, i never blamed Schumacher for Batman & Robin. I am confident he would have made a dark psychological Batman movie if he had been given a chance. But the studio screwed it up and his career was terribly damaged. It's Sad he didn't have a chance to redeem himself. Nevertheless a good filmmaker... R. I. P. Joel.

[@Esgles]

Read the Batman Forever book by Peter David. It has everything Joel wanted this movie to be. That really is Batman Forever

[@sgauden02]

In my mind, Joel Schumacher redeemed himself with The Phantom Of The Opera.

[@WimpyKelv12]

Batman 5: Triumphant/Unchained would’ve been totally epic!

[@Esgles]

@@WimpyKelv12 indeed

[@magallanesagustin4952]

I agree. The scene where Dr. Freeze redeems himself is proof of it. Clooney showed Batman's compassionate side, Freeze showing joy when he realizes his wife is still alive... Arnold could have been a perfect Mr. Freeze but the studio had to fuck everything up.

[@miriamorr5310]

This is what YT is for. The raw passion here was wild-I’ve held a lot of these thoughts since my own childhood loving Schumacher’s Batman. Have always believed Kilmer is the best and I’ll DIE on this hill. Well done, fellow Schumacherian! 🦇🖤💛

[@mikoaj5002]

Salute emoji

[@stylishboy004]

Val Kilmer should have done two Batman movies.

[@MrKenichi22]

My honest opinion, Val Kilmer’s Batman Bruce Wayne, is an emotional, sad, passionate, and strong, like I feel his sadness and hurt, and uses this pain to make the passion to become the strong, and confident Batman. I like this Video’s take. George Clooney’s Batman is…. George Clooney imitating Adam West…. if the 90’s era Batman was more like the 60’s era Batman, the more cheesy moments, not the cool ones. I feel Mike Keaton is somewhere in the middle of Val & George.

[@petermj1098]

I find it ironic that other Schumacher movies are actually dark yet his Batman movies aren’t

[@greg1851]

You didn't watch the video complete , right ?

[@sunsetman22]

I was expecting The Lost Boys meets 8mm meets Falling Down meets Phone Booth

[@Xehanort10]

The campiness was a studio mandated thing it seems like.

[@petermj1098]

@@greg1851 Dude deleted scenes doesn’t change the fact the movie is still mainly a corporate film. Maybe they had some interesting ideas but they didn’t go all the way with it. I think this movie is bad as Batman and Robin but people only give it a pass because their used to Jim Carrey doing stupid and childish stuff but can’t take Arnold doing in Batman and Robin.

[@demetriusshuler1391]

@@petermj1098 You're wrong because synder cut justice league is being released. Its not just about deleted scenes . Its a completely different movie so yes it does change things a lot.

[@davincent98]

"Bruce needs Richard Grayson." Thank you for that particular phrasing.

[@mikegonzalez503]

I loved that phrasing too

[@uploadvidz4490]

Richard Grayson just sounds better than Dick Grayson to me

[@narcisosanz8137]

I would love to hear "Bruce needs Dick" and I'd say "me too" lol

[@GeorgeMarionerd]

I did not watch this film as a kid. I watched it last week, as the 25 year old I am now. And I thought it was bloody fantastic. The colours, the zanyness, the campyness and Jim Carrey's batshit insane, incredibly entertaining performance. I watched it with my Batman loving friend in his living room with all the lights in the room set to reflect the colours onscreen, and that made for such an immersive lightshow. Only thing I disliked was how Twoface was just trying to be another unhinged insane supervillain but we already had Carrey for that, so he was just a much lesser version of him.

[@radi2986]

joel embraced batman as a comic book hero ,something the other direcorrs failed to do

[@CranberryLeGoot]

That light setup sounds awesome! Do you know what it’s called?

[@bufflatino5121]

*I saw this masterpiece in theaters as a kid in 1995. I loved it then, I love it now.* 💯

[@andylikesstuffchannel]

I was 17 was ahead of its time when it came out. Made loads of money but went under the radar for how clever it was.

[@DrJay-iy8rv]

Younger me: This is a cool story of Batman and Robin Older Me: Hey Nicole Kidman!!!

[@teslawolverine7009]

I know man she's awesome

[@thegoodreylo4749]

That was younger me and older me.

[@DrJay-iy8rv]

Robin origin story Blonde chick horny for Batman This must be a tamed film version Frank Miller All Star Batman & Robin vibes

[@epy0nkaru]

I explicitly have a huge crush on her because of this movie

[@JLRules]

This came at the perfect time for me. I was thirteen in 1995, and Nicole Kidman was a huge part of my life in that time... if you know what I mean. She is still and will probably always be the hottest woman in live-action Batman history.

[@krsnavigliotti4611]

The one thing about this movie, is how Batman seems so mystical and mysterious. Just the way he’s portrayed in this film makes him feel beyond human. I might be biased due to nostalgia, but if the deleted scenes were included it could’ve been a great film.

[@adammiller1253]

Watching this made me smile so much, I've watched this movie over 300 times - literally. After school as a child every day I'd watch it on VHS tape - I knew every single line in the whole movie and I'd say each line along with the characters from start to finish. Now I'm 33 years old and you know what I still love this movie no matter what anyone says about it.

[@LudiusQuassas]

The most ironic thing in this whole story is how the movie itself is a representation of an Identity Crisis. It wants to be both a bright, zany and campy fun ride, while also being one of the best introspections on the mind of a broken man. The deleted scenes really show something that could be, the amazing cinematography combined with possibly the most complete film story of Batman/Bruce ever made. And yes, I love Kilmer as Batman/Bruce. More than just the already good social outcast that is Keaton's Bruce, Kilmer portrays that awkward, not-so-good emoting, split man struggling to find his genuine self while also providing by far the best voices for Bruce and Batman we've ever seen on live-action films (and I strongly stand by that). I have to genuinely thank you for this video, I'm not that big a fan of video essays but this addressed everything I've ever wanted about this movie.

[@clayongayle8870]

The first real and honest take I’ve seen in these comments so far.

[@clayongayle8870]

And I agree.

[@samuelmaat4148]

I didn't like this film until I took a an abnormal psychology class in high school, and seeing it through that lens really made me appreciate Batman Forever

[@cainbutler6291]

This film was basically Batman trying to get redemption and closure from his haunting past that plagued him in the first two Tim Burton Batman films. From Joker killing his parents, him going insane and killing Joker out of vengeance, killing Penguin and then having a nasty break up with Catwoman. A lot of trauma and suffering happened to Bruce leading into Batman Forever. The guy went through hell...😞

[@elfsieben1450]

@@cainbutler6291 Great take on this! Thank you. Let's include "Batman Forever" together with "Batman Returns" into a trilogy then. But I'd prefer to forget about "Batman and Robin". I still feel the raving maniac Two Face in Forever was undermotivated and overacted, though, to an extent that it spoils the whole movie; this kind of foreshadows the unlikely fast turn to mad amoral villainy by the hitherto very grounded idealistic character in "The Dark Knight", which again spoiled an otherwise very promising film.

[@cainbutler6291]

@@elfsieben1450 yeah fuck Batman and Robin! But Batman Forever was still a passable sequel. Batman Forever probably should’ve been the last film in the series. If it was more darker and grittier like the first two films, it would’ve been a great conclusion to the Burton/Schumacher saga

[@elfsieben1450]

@@cainbutler6291 Totally agree. On another note: The more complex psychology, darker and grittier themes of the original script would still have worked in Forever's visually more flamboyant style, because a contrast to the brooding colours in the Burton films would have driven home the point that by the end Bruce/Batman finally acknowledged that there are more colours to life than a black-and-white victim/perpetrator-dichotomy of guilt and punishment.

[@jackhamilton9604]

“This unseen, unwanted eccentric, self hating, genius, loner is obsessed with someone who doesn’t exist”- That is a extremely realistic statement

[@jinxthatsme2317]

Val Kilmer is definitely the best Batman I’ve seen in live action. His performance reminds me a lot of myself. That feeling of helplessness and solitude. The feeling that, no matter how hard you try, you’ll never fit in with everyone else around you. You force yourself to put on a facade because it’s the only way people will ever talk to you. I think that’s why Batman has always been my favorite superhero since he feels the most human.

[@ViktorKrauser.OG-24]

@BustBoy333 I respect your opinion, but I do not share it. Val Kilmer isn't really one of the worst Batmans, but he's not one of the best either. Robert Pattinson and Christian Bale did a better job playing Bruce Wayne and his motivations for being Batman than Val Kilmer, who was only a temporary replacement because Michael Keaton didn't want to return as Batman. I think that the reason why you don't like Christian Bale's Batman is because everyone likes it and you want to give your opinion against what the vast majority likes.

[@alaundrasochia6663]

@@ViktorKrauser.OG-24 he didn't want to return cause the direction it went and the script was terrible. Adding Robin is always a bad idea though they were planning on it anyway I just wish they weren't making it to get money from happy meals. They were mad cause returns "Was too dark."

[@Katrulzin]

​@@ViktorKrauser.OG-24 You assume much

[@Pierre578]

@@ViktorKrauser.OG-24 I was not a fan of Nolan Trilogy either

[@engelberthovel8566]

Damn, this is beautiful. Not gonna lie, when you talked about Robin’s meaning to Bruce I started full on shedding tears. Amazing video!

[@Nerevar5me]

Same

[@mia8710]

Right there with you

[@aimeemarsh9255]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻

[@itsraininghavoc817]

Holy crap, the "It wasn't my fault..." part really hit me like truck.

[@somerandolad]

If only that was kept in the movie.

[@Jose-se9pu]

Warner PIctures: "yeah, lets take that out of the movie...add Jim Carrey grabbing his balls"

[@handoffate7262]

I can’t imagine being a kid and not liking Batman returns. That was always my favorite one when I was a kid, all the awesome costumes and set pieces were mind blowing.

[@Xehanort10]

That kid was clearly told what to say by either the interviewers or his parents. Can you imagine a kid saying a film was too violent or calling a film "an attack on kids?" That's not the type of things a kid would think to say themselves.

[@National7575]

Visually it was amazing but I didn’t really like the burton films

[@Nova-fh2et]

I hated Returns as a kid, but now, as an adult, it's one of my favorites. To each their own

[@mikoaj5002]

It was very crearly the kid was told what he needs to say lol Like can you imagine a kid who doesn't like "violence in movies"? Majority of them loves Looney Tunes or action films for a reason

[@luisoncpp]

I enjoyed some parts of the film as a kid, mostly the fight scenes, or de pinguins attacking the city, but in general I found the plot too convoluted and I didn't understand it at that time; and there are a lot of parts where characters are just talking (like the Penguin planning his election), or other atmospheric scenes that as a kid I felt them slow and boring(but now as an adult I can appreciate the detail). I wouldn't have said that I didn't like it, because I was used to getting over the "boring parts" in the movies. Btw, I remember back then not liking things that were too violent, there is a point where it feels disturbing (and for kinds, that threshold is much lower), but that wasn't the case with Batman Returns. The violence in that film are just explosions and punches, nothing too gory.

[@randallrutherford1384]

People tend to forget that Batman forever was a huge and very popular and very much loved and well accepted Batman sequel upon its release and it was loved extraordinarily until they release of Batman and Robin at which point people began to rope Batman forever into the same bin with Batman and Robin and the true reputation of Batman forever was then lost forever.

[@CAM8689]

this is true...while I liked returns personally way more forever was popular and made more money its was defintely a more fun for the family type of flick and the box office was indictive of that...but batman and robin was a bridge to far that killed batman for a good while

[@devinallen756]

I loved Batman Forever as a kid and always used to watch it on VHS. So many memories of this movie and nostalgia. Watching it now today, I see more problems with it but I would still give the movie a B-, 8/10 at best. Definitely the most underrated live action Batman film of all time and the most forgotten. It's really entertaining and really does feel like a comic book come to life. It's like 80% 60's Batman campiness but 20% Tim Burton darkness to it. Chris O' Donnell was a good Robin, Nicole Kidman was a interesting, sexy and good love interest for Bruce, Kilmer was truly underrated because he was actually a great Bruce Wayne👏 and a good Batman. However, Jim Carrey was the G.O.A.T of the film, with so much energy and charisma, which made him both a unique take on the character and made a amazing Riddler💯... Plus Seal's Kiss From A Rose is timelessly LEGENDARY🦇 I will always have a soft spot for this film...Forever🦇........... P.S..... #ReleaseTheSchumacherCut 🙏

[@yhavinmiles]

with such heavy themes of duality two face was literally the perfect villain, too bad it’s also the biggest problem in the film

[@nameynamename3758]

Ignoring Two-Face's own duality, him being played straight while Riddler is nuts would also be great with the whole duality thing.

[@victorchapa6307]

That's one of the many reasons I think this movie is no masterpiece at all, as this video suggests. That's not only hyperbolic, but false as well.

[@nsasupporter7557]

@you’re • biological • female • caregiver Tommy Lee Jones was a Terrible Twoface. He acted too much like the Joker. Twoface is supposed to be mild mannered and quiet. TLJ was just trying to outdo Jim Carrey because he was jealous of Jim and him becoming a huge star and the fact that his career took off faster than his career. I’m fact, Jim Carrey’s career took off faster than any other movie star’s career, even Tom Cruise’s

[@ramblinwriter4987]

The thing about the "McDonald's has toys for kids but this isn't a kid movie. It's violent" was said by the some of the same kids who later went to see LOTR, and thought that was epic. Go figure.

[@nameynamename3758]

those were the kids that reminded the teacher to pass out the homework

[@robhogate2312]

What it was was the parroting of their parent's opinions and talking points

[@ch33zybreadtrellie4]

It wasn’t as creepy as BR.

[@Spongebrain97]

@@robhogate2312 yeah watching that boy talk clearly shows that he's just repeating what his parents coached him to say

[@grantimusprimeofficial2732]

@@Spongebrain97 Absolutely NO kid talks like that

[@louisb.6149]

This movie was much deeper than anyone gives them credit for

[@THEARCHITECT801]

That ending though, #SHEESH 😭

[@Browntable]

BANGER dude, absolute BANGERR

[@spider-man6060]

You’re Spider-Man he’s Batman 😂

[@hamiltonmasseyii4747]

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[@spider-man6060]

Loved that Spider-Man TNAS video btw

[@TechNinjaSigma]

agreed

[@OirichEntertainment]

1000th like

[@BatmanKnightfan]

Val Kilmer is the closest to Kevin Conroy’s Batman voice. He’s underrated Bruce Wayne/Batman

[@KenMasters.]

Christian Bale was also the next Val Kilmer. Both being 6'0", with brown hair, brown eyes, and they spoke with unrecognizable Bat-voices.

[@ryanford7443]

Thank you! I remembered how disappointed people were that Val Kilmer was replacing Michael Keaton, but his Batman voice was almost perfect. Not as good as the animated series, but maybe the best of all live action performances.

[@nsasupporter7557]

The only actor who was Bad as Batman was George Clooney

[@FEARisCOLD]

@@nsasupporter7557 I think he could have been a great Batman too. He looks as if Bruce a Wayne walked out the comics. He just got the wrong movie and direction. He would make a great old Bruce now.

[@nsasupporter7557]

@VALENTINEproductions I don't know about that. George Clooney was just George Clooney when he was Batman. He didn’t try to play Bruce Wayne or bring any unique charisma to the character like the other actors did. Like I said he was just George Clooney behind the mask.... “hi Freeze, I’m Batman.” SO LAME! Lol

[@Grayson1048]

Hey, man. I watched Batman Forever today in the third day of my one-Batman-movie-a-day in preparation for the new one. I loved it, just as I always have. Then I came here to look for any reviews that didn’t seem likr the same hate filled ones we’ve always had, and I found yours. It made me cry a lot, we share many opinions and you brought up a lot of things I had never thought about. I just had an amazing and heartbreaking 48 minutes. Thank you.

[@SB0780]

Thanks for the video and thank you Joel Schumacvher - I've recently finished the man's entire filmography and he deserves more credit; bold and willing to explore all facets of the human experience - he also got great performances from his actors. He's severely underrated in my opinion and deserves way more cred.

[@TheCatWatches]

If only Billy Dee Williams could’ve reprised his role as Dent with an origin of the Two-Face, this film would be perfect, imagine him playing up his double-crossing Lando character but actually becomes a swindling villain

[@moxie9695]

Technically he did in the lego Batman movie

[@athenajaxon2397]

That would've been great

[@gbrogo7139]

@@moxie9695 with like, two lines

[@moxie9695]

@@gbrogo7139 better than nothing I guess

[@galactic85]

"I didn't want him to actually murder. Because I thought that Batman should be above that." Damn...Schumacher understood Batman way more than I ever gave him credit for. I'm sorry for hating on you Joel.

[@Spongebrain97]

And that's opposed to frat boi Zack Snyder who absolutely thinks Batman should kill, mainly because his bros thought it would be kewl and radical

[@saul2502]

Don’t hate Schumacher.... just hate the movie. Do a dive into his filmography. I would like to think you’ll be pleasantly surprised

[@musicis1]

@@Spongebrain97 That is the misunderstanding of many of watching Snyder's Batman: Zack doesn't think Batman killing is okay AT ALL... THAT'S THE POINT. Batman is the VILLAIN of BvS, and because of Superman's existence & (ironically) humanity, he is SHOWN this in BLEAK detail.

[@TheHorns1996]

@@musicis1 I understand the point, but it was still just a shitty interpretation of the character.

[@musicis1]

@@TheHorns1996 Agree to disagree. I feel that they took the character to a place he had already been or was headed eventually

[@Calenrandir]

I remember seeing this in theaters like it was yesterday. This was always my favorite Batman movie and I'm glad to see all the love it's been getting lately.

[@sealionstudios8597]

It's about time someone stood up for this underated diamond of a picture

[@liaramsay9976]

never hated this movie... shame Joel suffered so much hate over it.

[@nsasupporter7557]

@Witcher Gregory he didn’t get so much hate over this as much as he did Batman and Robin. Which he should’ve. That was an abomination!

[@seancollins312]

@@nsasupporter7557 Batman Returns was far worse

[@nsasupporter7557]

@@seancollins312 I wouldn’t say that Returns was worse that Batman and Robin. I don’t see how anybody could think that anything is worse than B&R lol 😂 I didn’t like Batman Returns, but it wasn’t total garbage like B&R. I just disagreed with the direction of Batman Returns. Returns wasn’t even a Batman movie, it was a Tim Burton movie. It was literally a repeat of Edward Scissorhands with the Penguin

[@jakubowczarek1519]

@@nsasupporter7557 XDDDDDDDDDDDDD yeah, right. First two Burton movies were perfect

[@nsasupporter7557]

@@jakubowczarek1519 NOOO they weren’t. The first one Batman 1989 was perfect, yes. Not Batman Returns. Burton ruined it with his gothic, horror movie like persona. I know Batman is supposed to be gothic but Burton took it too far. It wasn’t even a Batman movie, it was a Tim Burton movie. It was literally a repeat of Edward Scissorhands with the Penguin. The soundtrack didn’t help either, it only added to the “horror movie” feel. Batman Forever by Joel Schumacher was a refreshing change

[@robertwild9447]

Me: "I need time to make dinner". *Hitop films releases a video on Batman Forever* Me: "... I'll get Drive Through."

[@jongon0848]

"I'll cancel the pizza"

[@LAZY-RUBY]

I loved this movie as a kid and love it even more now. It's the kind of earnest, genuine cheese you just don't get anymore (if this movie were made today every joke would come with a wink to the audience). Even still, it has plenty of honest, dramatic moments and takes the time to ask why Batman is who he is. True, it's not perfect; TLJ could have reeled it in a bit as Two-Face instead of trying to be another Joker, and there are some contrivances in the climax, but it's a comic book movie! Who actually wants Batman to be realistic? My favorite aspect has got to be the visual design though. Joel's vision of Gotham is a neon art deco nightmare and I utterly adore it. The gaudy statues, the improbable lighting, the sheer architectural decadence pouring out of every single corner, it's something clearly made by a man with vision and a helluva lot more fun to look at than Nolan's "ok what if Gotham was just Chicago?". It's criminal that people lump this movie in with Batman and Robin. It's the ultimate comic book movie.

[@ariusdegaldri2413]

I just want to say that your video has massively changed my outlook on this movie. I never "hated" it exactly, but I just couldn't reconcile it with '89 and Returns. Now I can see it as a conclusion to a trilogy started in '89 (Batman and Robin doesn't deserve to be a part of it), and is wrapped up nicely and neatly by Forever. I really hope we get a Schumacher cut some day! Thanks for the great video!

[@imnotokayatall]

When I think of Gotham, the most vivid images I have are these neo-gothic-classiquesque giant statues amidst this green and pink and purple chaos Schumacher gave us. This is Gotham for me. No other take on the city gets even close to this.

[@danielmims8467]

That deleted scene with the giant bat flying at bruce was dope . They should've left that but it was too scary compared to the rest.

[@jamespope7669]

It was added in the soundtrack video "kiss by a rose"

[@919ENTERTAINMENTLLC]

@@jamespope7669 Directed by Joel.

[@neszero]

Seriously, that looked wild

[@VicDrums83]

You know being a die-hard Burton fan, you sold me on this one. I remember watching this one multiple times and enjoying it as a standalone film. It was campy, outrageous, and just visually entertaining. It was everything that the Burton films weren't. It reminded me of the Adam West show on steroids. I would have loved to see Jim as the Joker, but his Riddler was pretty amazing. I think Tommy being more serious and sadistic would have balanced out Jim's over the top performance. But I really have more respect for this film after watching this. Too bad Batman and Robin was just a dumpster fire and couldn't follow up to this.

[@user-xm9qy2hy4o]

If Burton casted a young Val Kilmer, who knows what could have happened. Problem was that he was comfortable with casting beetlejuice

[@EricGraham94]

I like the little detail of the red book being a part of Bruce Wayne’s exploration of the cave. It’s akin to Carl Jung’s red book, where part of it emphasizes that we have to face our demons and integrate with them to be whole and stronger. Bruce Wayne integrated his Bruce Wayne identity with the Batman identity.

[@AngusMac_]

Holy shit, this was so fucking good. Clearly so much heart and effort was put into this. Incredible job, I will now go and watch Batman Forever

[@zk6029]

Same

[@hokaturki121]

To be honest all his videos are awesome. Sometimes I don't agree with everything but damn he does quality videos

[@AngusMac_]

@@hokaturki121 oh for sure!

[@mystarwars1364]

He convinced me

[@ethandoyle4978]

I just watched it after watching 3Cfilms review.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

You can't out-mug Jim Carry. The man's got an extra joint in his jaw that grants him super-human mugging powers.

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

@Greg Elchert If I were to ever get a chance to ask Mr. Jones a question, it would be to ask if the decision to try and top Jim Carry was a directorial choice, or an acting choice.

[@480yolofordonuts7]

Mog**

[@jamaali2358]

@Greg Elchert The man was a disgrace to the movie what makes it worst was he excellent when he wasn't camping it up.

[@ciudadentinieblas]

This is a masterpiece of a documentary. Every time i watched one of yours videos i can feel the love you put on, thank you so much.

[@brenttthomas5470]

I remember getting Batman Forever on VHS for Christmas in 1996(I think) and I know I had to have drove my grandma nuts because I watched it every day. This and it's sequel are such an important part of my formative years. Thank you for making this.

[@lavishninja5100]

Playing GTA as a kid.... "This isn't kid friendly" Proceeds to go for 5 stars

[@Jaqen-HGhar]

I don't get what point you're trying to make...The kid's quote is the movie was, "this is an attack against kids." Plus Batman Returns was rated for kids and which is what all those were clips were complaining about. GTA was rated M and thus shouldnt' be played by kids and thus any kids playing it are doing so against the wishes of the creators.

[@lavishninja5100]

@@Jaqen-HGhar my point is no kid says that lmfao.

[@jvnxiie2441]

Playing _San Andreas_ as a kid: “This is very violent and not child friendly at all” Proceeds to get 6 stars to have the *GODDAMN US ARMY* come after me

[@thomassalas5191]

He took the car no the OTHER car

[@TadRaunch]

I played GTA 1 for the first time when I was 10 years old. It blew my mind. Why running around collecting coins or gems as a cute cartoon character when I could wreak heck on a city? GTA is as kid friendly as it gets! And it only got better!

[@aidanproko]

Jesus Christ this video made me want the Schumacher Cut. I didn’t even care before this video. The power you wield, Alex, is beyond compare

[@Aliensk8er72]

Damn, man, I LOVED this and Batman + Robin when I was a little kid! Watched 'em both all the time and thought they were the coolest movies ever. Even as a 30 year old now I have a soft spot for them. They're unique. They're bat shit.

[@christianmanka3884]

I’m from Pittsburgh and that ending really hit me. Thank you. :)

[@ahmedfawad16]

"This unseen, unwanted eccentric, self hating, genius, loner" literally how every redditor likes to think of themselves

[@juststatedtheobvious9633]

Not even close to true. The other half hate someone else.

[@rigelb9025]

Me too.

[@briandoublebackdahlen7967]

@@rigelb9025 Yeah the Me too Movement Sucks

[@JoeContext]

Literally fucking anything:*exists* People with the self-awareness of a fucking housefly:IS THIS REDDIT?????????

[@okand6770]

@@JoeContext so true they talk mad sh*t about reddit when they're never on there

[@KenMasters.]

The way Gotham City looked in all four Batman films should've been the new look for Six Flags. The way they recreated the city looked so extravagantly beautiful, that it would rival Disney World.

[@114Freesoul]

I did have Batman Forever on a VHS, and this was my Batman growing up, before I even watched the animated series. Looking back at it, it is super campy, and there are many parts that don't quite hold up; but the visual style, the score (oh god, this score is genius), Jim Carrey as the Riddler... and that effing scene of Dick parkouring down to the Batcave for the first time. Man, that scene was the coolest shit ever as a kid. Also, the theme of Bruce figuring out why he's Batman in the first place seems really relevant now in the light of the new Batman.

[@Nerevar5me]

Real insightful 13:35 and it just doesn’t stop from there. As a kid I watched this all the time on vhs. Now as an adult with your breakdown, I see the heartfelt internal conflict all the characters go through.

[@SAMIRSMILEZONE]

"Dark Knight in Shining Armor" was an underrated line in this video

[@jamiedandy8311]

It always bugged me when people treated this movie like it was the same quality as Batman and Robin

[@thea-holegamerandfriends6754]

Right. I can't bring myself to watch Batman and Robin, and if I did it would only be to see Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy (oh lala) or Arnold's Mr. Freeze and his one-liners ("Chill!"). Batman Forever is probably the best of the previous series though. It doesn't take itself too seriously or too comedically, it's just in the middle for me at least.

[@JoseAGamez-ci9rt]

True. Even without knowing there were deleted scenes, you can have a sense of vision and message that this film has in comparison to the ad-driven commercially-vomit-inducing that is the second one.

[@bl5533]

Batman and robin was literally a comedy

[@nsasupporter7557]

@The A-Hole Gamer and Friends sorry, gotta disagree. As much as I loved Batman Forever, Batman 1989 was the best Batman movie. It’s a classic

[@nsasupporter7557]

@B L it was a toy commercial literally. They were trying to sell toys with that movie

[@qaysnsanja9485]

As someone who has a very rigid view of how a Batman film should be, I was about to turn this video off upon hearing Batman Forever being showered with praise but thank God I didn’t. The context that you provided as well as hearing Joel air out his intentions for the film has given me a new found appreciation for the beauty in art that I/others may not personally like. And THAT ending 👌🏿, big up Pittsburgh, you, Carl & Joel 🌹.

[@LyricalXilence]

Val is my favorite Batman. Before Ben, I felt he gave the most to Bruce and Batman and made both awesome.

[@user-xm9qy2hy4o]

Physically he was the first actually fit Bruce Wayne and looks overall more intimidating than Bale or Pattinson who both made an effort to workout unlike Keaton. His voice… intellectual, masculine, mysterious and sexy all rolled into a deep whisper. He was blond… Bob Kane’s original design which sucked, but I can forgive that. His chin, 10/10 like Ben’s. His psychological torment and ptsd from his guilt and helplessness was well conveyed. Silly movie, but masterful portrayal. People who like Keaton probably just liked the movies more, the portrayal was a decent starting point for others to build off of.

[@TheMovieSequelDude49]

Batman Forever was that movie I watched OVER AND OVER AGAIN as a kid. It was my favorite Batman movie. And I have spent the years since defending Val Kilmer's Batman, Jim Carrey's Riddler, and Joel Schumacher's colorful and creative direction. Glad to see these thoughts vindicated through your essay. Hopefully, more people will come around on the genius of Joel Schumacher because of it. It's just a shame it had to happen after his death. RIP The Legend.

[@olofdaisler9121]

i like batman and robin a little bit more

[@powerwegy]

Same here man, saw this movie when I was 6 in theaters. It brought me the most happiest moments of my childhood.

[@ct6852]

This movie was/is a kid's fever dream.

[@darrianphillips]

Same

[@TheScientist408]

The best part of this video is clearly Alex saying, “My man” when Joel said Batman should not kill. This video convinced me that Val Kilmer did indeed bring something to the role of Bruce Wayne / Batman.

[@onlyone23km]

Val’s Batman killed Two-Face, though.

[@Thaction]

@@onlyone23km not in the original script. Alex literally explains in the video that Joel didn’t want it.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@onlyone23kmNot really. Spazzing out and falling to his doom was all on Two-Face.

[@onlyone23km]

@@JDoe-gf5oz because Batman threw a bunch of coins in the air while Two-Face was flipping his coin.

[@JDoe-gf5oz]

@@onlyone23kmHe didn't make Two Face freak out and start trying to snatch up every coin. All he was doing was confusing Two Face's method so he couldn't shoot them.

[@radi2986]

The biggest issues with nolans batman and snyders movies, is they totally erased that baman is a comic book hero, while joels movies on the other hand embraced the fact. speaking of Joe the studios ddint fully allow him to see his vision

[@jerryshanecoldwell7279]

If they had only seen “The Batman” or “The Dark Knight”

[@MermaidMelissaPage]

Why do I feel like I just got a history lesson on real life from a comic? Oh yeah, it's because as my wonderful loving dad always says "life is based upon movies and movies upon life."

[@lowlowseesee]

your dad had his own version of 'life imitating art'. he flipped the script shall we say

[@lenahunter5369]

It's not a perfect reflection but an exciting refraction and that's my favorite part of fiction, another world that is so similar and so different, it's kind of amazing to me.

[@jcarugati2000]

I feel like this piece was made for me. I watched "Forever" religiously as a child and it's what got me into Batman. You had me at "Misunderstood Masterpiece," but this was an amazing 45 minute watch that flew by. Kudos to you, fantastic editing, and I really hope we see your name on the credits of some big stuff in the future.

[@gssssssssss]

Alright, but nobody really trashes 'Batman Forever' that much. The real issue is with the 1997 movie 'Batman & Robin'. That's where Schumacher really dropped the ball.

[@jamiebraswell5520]

I was 25 years old when this came out. I loved it then and I love it now. I enjoy all four Batman films for various different reasons, but honestly Batman Forever is my favorite of the four. Even though I feel that the 1989 film is overall the best entry, my personal favorite that I return to most is Batman Forever.

[@ProfessorZoom2140]

#ReleaseTheSchumacherCut Batman Forever, a misunderstood masterpiece.

[@ProfessorZoom2140]

@Paraone Ngatai #ReleaseTheWebbCut

[@ProfessorZoom2140]

@Paraone Ngatai both of them

[@Wickedblackjuggalo19]

Honestly what is up with these many cuts of Batman and i’ve already heard and know about Return of Batman script i’ve seen in the definitive history of the Dark Knight book

[@Swiddle]

The end was magnificent. R.I.P Joel

[@Jeandiel_LJD]

You put a lot of heart and passion into your videos alex, i wanna thank you for that. And Thanks to Carl and Thanks to Joel. Rest In Peace.

[@cjewe1z]

This is one of those films that deserves a director's cut and a reevaluation. There's no other film like it. That was nice how you tied everything together at the end.

[@derekconnors4128]

As an adult I prefer the Burton films, but lets be honest, Forever was the one we all watched as kids.

[@ap5671]

Facts

[@Lite727]

There’s just something really appealing about it when your a kid. The shiny neon lights, the set design, the use of color and imagery and it’s just plain stupidly fun.

[@hiranom20]

Batman Forever was the best marketed super hero movie ever. Way ahead of its time.

[@anthonyboccanfuso2663]

Yeah. I didn't love it as a kid, but Forever was always more easy to find than the Burton films, and not Dookie like Batman and Robin. Now, I actually enjoy it more than I thought I would, it's just a lot of fun

[@Jose-se9pu]

I think it is the other way around. For me, Returnd aged TERRIBLE ('89 still holds up, thanks to Jack), while Forever is still as fun as when I was 10.

[@angeloacevedo5494]

Burton's Movie: Badass Schumacher: Bat-ass

[@ahmedfawad16]

literally lol

[@MaeljinRajah]

And bat-nipples

[@Thespeedrap]

Can't till Matt Reeves brings his BATMAN films.

[@calebmurphy9406]

6:59 Hearing Joel Schumacher say this gives me life force.

[@thabreez456]

The Moral of the Story is that whenever DC tries to become more lighthearted due to backlash it always backfired. Back in the day it gave us Batman & Robin and More recently it gave us Suicide Squad (2016) and Justice League (2017)

[@mauritja00]

Everybody that took huge dumps on Joel's movies always admit, he was the nicest man on the planet... Thanks to you I see why

[@Adriel100894]

Batman Returns was my favorite as a kid. What kind of kid would say "this is too violent for me". Dude, Mortal Kombat for example, was a hit with everyone at that time because of one thing, violence.

[@Schush]

No one did... disgruntled soccer moms using the kids as a guise.

[@prajwaljayaraj5887]

I think there was an atmosphere of being depressing and brooding and dark in an operatic sense. That really turned kids off, also the violence in Mortal Kombat is campy, gratuitous and flashy, the violence in Returns was also campy to an extent, but also grotesque and horrifying in how the violence and the brutality is portrayed.

[@Thespeedrap]

Mortal Kombat movie SUCKED the critics was trying to blame someone so they picked Burton's Batman films jealousy if you ask me.

[@radi2986]

i love joels movies because he was the only director who embraced the fact that batman is a comic book hero, noland and synder never showed it, eben burtons movie didnt fully show it

[@desertflower119]

Man the quality of this video is amazing. I love all the concepts and ideas you talk about and question. You are killing it

[@AsgersWeb]

Sucks when studios try to make everything so kid friendly. The argument of having toys for kids to a movie that isn’t for kids is completely pointless when you realize that Alien and Terminator had toys made of them. Also a kid can handle a lot more than people think.

[@randomnerd3402]

Blame the snowflakes that got big mad that Returns was so dark. I have no idea what they were expecting, since it was a godamn Burton movie, not a kid's movie.

[@Jose-se9pu]

All comic book movies are made to sell toys...even fucking Logan had toys.

[@handleislol]

@@Jose-se9pu tf

[@Jose-se9pu]

@@handleislol YUP. Watchmen had a toy line, The Dark Knight had a toy line, Deadpool had a toy line...as Jon Peters said; "we need to sell fucking toys, because that is what these movies are about, selling fucking toys".

[@randomcharacter6501]

The 80s and early 90s were a different time lol. Most kids had their first taste of beer before the age of 12, You could watch all the R rated movies you wanted as long as you covered your eyes on the dirty parts. The world has been pussified lol

[@Bingo_the_Pug]

Fun fact: Harvey Dent/Two-Face’s brief origin clip in this movie was 100% comic accurate. Look it up.

[@catherinehepburn]

This was beautifully and very thoughtfully created. You managed to echo everything I've ever felt about this movie without me ever being able to verbalize it. This was made with so much love and passion and it shows.

[@Spidey-wd8bt]

Okay, I don't love Schumacher's Batman but for what I know Schumacher was a really good dude and a director with a vision, I respect him for this things...

[@99GregPotter]

That ending at the end really got me, your professor sounds like a rad dude and so does Joel Schumacher.

[@bobbyshewan4229]

I forgot that Schumacher passed away until I saw this video

[@samwiningar6089]

“That ending at the end”

[@hospitalifter]

@@bobbyshewan4229 same

[@BrandonWestfall]

As opposed to the ending “at the beginning?”

[@jimmystevenson3178]

"That ending at the end"

[@lobo5274]

Wow. With that ending, the title "Forever" sounds more like a sentence than the glorious timelessness of the character

[@indepth9930]

Yeah, the cut definitely makes the title better.

[@curestarlight3023]

It was great how in-depth you went into the character portrayals in this film. Not only of Kilmer's Bruce Wayne (who I've always found interesting & sympathetic), but also Carrey's Riddler & his tragedy. I've loved this movie ever since I was an 8-year-old girl, who stumbled onto my parents' VHS tape of it & it's great to hear someone talk positively about it.