🧙‍♂️ What Caused the Doom of Valyria? | ASOIAF Quaranstream

[@Ayyke]

Sheepstealer appeals to me. No nonsense, no unnecessary flair, just give him sheep and he'll tolerate your presence. I also like that Nettles managed to ride him through cunning and patience, rather than some high born flowery notion of bonding.

[@alstoyle]

I think the idea of valeriya being an offshoot of the empire of the dawn is the best explanation for their "special-ness", especially when it's implied through one of danys dreams that she was possibly related to the amethyst empress, and how the amethyst empress looks like a stereotype of a targarian.

[@carlitoking8473]

Balerion is my favorite!!! Im painting my race motorcycle all black and naming it The Black Dread!

[@dalpaengi]

I’d love to get an update on that race motorcycle. How cool!!

[@dornishdame383]

Fave dragon - going with Moondancer. As well as being a fiesty reflection of her rider Baela, Moondancer played a key role in the Dance by fighting on against the much larger Sunfyre after being blinded, mortally wounding him in the process.

[@sanriscribbles]

Meleys the red queen. She's got to be beautiful with red and pink coloring and copper accents. Plus she's ridden by 2 badass targ women, Alyssa and then Rhaenys.

[@danielbroome5690]

It's actually the Aeneid not the Iliad, and Prince Aeneas of Troy (Hector/Paris' Cousin), the son of Venus who founded Rome after stopping to make mortal enemies with Carthage. Fun fact, the Aeneid was basically a fanfic the Romans wrote as a new origin story because the Romulus/Remes one was a bit "Murderey" and they didn't really want to promote fratricide at that point in Rome.

[@JoeMagician]

Ahhh yes that's right, thank you. I tried to pull the Rome to Troy origin from my memory on the fly when it occurred to me. Whoops!

[@annieberry1343]

For the t shirt, Silverwing for ripping my heart out by trying to lift Vermithor's wing up after he died

[@samanthamorris5340]

My favorite dragon is the Cannibal. He was obviously emotional about something, of what exactly we don't know. He's just too mysterious.

[@JoeMagician]

Literally the ouroboros

[@agirlhasathousandnamesando980]

Sunfyre is my favorite. I just love the name and the description of his color is awesome.

[@Joggi98]

I wonder how the Faceless Men feel about Daenerys. I know it's a popular theory that Jaqen H'ghar is looking for a way to kill dragons, but the whole reason they rose up against the Valyrians was because of slavery, which is something Daenerys tries to bring an end to.

[@mellowyello1478]

Seemingly most Targs were against slavery, even Aerys in his most crazed seemed deeply against it. The abolitionist mindset of the Targs seem to be what made them outcasts in relation to the rest of their people.

[@padairua8129]

Caraxes is my favourite dragon, awesome red colouring and took on Vhaegar who was twice his size and killed it. Then in a final moment of drama and pathos he dragged himself from the Lake to die on the shore. Ní bheidh ar a leithéid aríst

[@danteoliveira2994]

Darth Vhagar Lucky scaraxes walker

[@alanthompson2753]

Caraxes is probably my favorite dragon. Got spunk, went out like a champ, plus cool description second only to the likes of Balerion and Drogon.

[@thunderclap7154]

Congratulations on the 20k subscribers

[@JoeMagician]

Thank you so much 😀

[@nyz7971]

Meleys the Red Queen! Because she was the mount of the Queen Who Never Was, who SHOULD have been Queen!

[@mumofmany1498]

Sheepstealer is very realistic. Who doesn't respond well to regular meals. By far my fave dragon purely because I can relate!

[@JoeMagician]

An icon

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

Jaqen, since no one seems to notice he's the egg who was sold to the Faceless Men.

[@curtiswfranks]

Tessarion has always been one of my favorite dragons. I like her coloration and name, for a start. I also think that her ending could contains some clues.

[@ChasingCastlesanddreams]

Giveaway - Her royal majesty Meleys, the Red Queen is my favorite dragon. She was beautiful with red, pink and copper. She was the mount of Princess Alyssa and Rhaenys.

[@brendantanner5937]

been really enjoying these

[@Lespritdelescali]

Something that never occurred to me before this stream is how weird it is that the Targs were allowed to take their dragons with them to Dragonstone in the first place. Either there were other dragon families living elsewhere that were forgotten by history, they somehow got special permission to take their dragons with them, or they pulled off a trick that would have gotten them in a lot of trouble if the doom had not happened. I think it's possible that the unique volcanic properties of Dragonstone specifically is what makes the latter two options possible. Either the Targs got special permission from the Freehold to experiment with letting dragons roost in the caves or managed to secretly let their registered dragons lay eggs while playing them off as still "officially" residing within Valyria. I believe the family was supposedly in the dragon breeding business? One of the more exciting but less likely options is that they discovered dragon eggs on Dragonstone that the Freehold didn't know about. They could have been left from earlier colonization attempts or from the days when dragons were everywhere.

[@stoffelstrange5215]

hi matt, love these streams you’re killing it you beautiful asoiaffle

[@curtiswfranks]

58:30 Egg knows that his brother's dreams come true. I would not be surprised to learn that Daenys' dreaming abilities were known to her family members in advance of the Doom dream. If so, then it would just be a matter of convincing them that her interpretation (whatsoever it exactly was that she saw) was correct and that doom was rather imminent.

[@curtiswfranks]

Hah, never mind. Should have known that you would cover this on your own (1:02:19).

[@morlath4767]

This was a fun and interesting video, JM, and it brought up a lot of good points/points of interest for me to muse over. I do think that there's a rebuttal with the Faceless Men theory - time and history rewriting. We simply don't know if the Faceless Men's structure and philosophy are the same now as it was then. The ASOIAF lore is rife with information and books that were created even post-Doom that are lost/fragmented/banned, so it's not a stretch to consider the idea that the FM Arya sees and the ones who were around at the Doom might not even recognise each other. I'm not saying that this is the case, just that it's a possibility. It could very well be the Kind Man is only repeating a tale he was told but the Faceless Men's records (if they even have any) don't support it. I personally think the "obvious" answer is they awoke something best left undisturbed. Martin uses the "dug too deeply" line in one of the quotes you used in the video, and Aerea returned with horrific things inside her, while Balerion had been injured during their year absence. Which hints at something monstrous (possibly with fire larvae needing living incubators) and powerful. Edit: Balerion! You've got a dragon called the "Black Dread" who isn't a world eater, isn't a twisted monster, and shows (Aerea) that he's loyal and caring. Totally flips the script on massively large black creatures.

[@Daron7181]

After finding out that Valyrians used to be shepherds,I couldn’t stop thinking that they are essentially like Lhazareen that got a serious upgrade and got drunk with power.

[@laura7anne]

Cannibal is my favorite dragon. Don't take no shit.

[@JCftwZOMFGwtf]

In light of how much emphasis is placed in HOTD about the 'catspaw' dagger I'm starting to think that the Targ's when leaving Valyria had 3 dragons, and 3 swords (called Blackfyre, Dark Sister and Brightflame). Brightflame becoming Brightroar but also the dagger, keeping a small part of the original blade for themselves. Perhaps Aenar's father/mother/grandfather had something to do with it, or maybe it was something they were compelled to do because of Daenys' dreams, either way, we only know that the Lannister's got Brightroar in "the century before the doom" which gives George an awful lot of wiggle room for some Targ sabotage.

[@laza0202]

what do you mean by giving room for targaryen sabotage.? .

[@kalibhakta8640]

Got my second vaccine back in April. I was down for almost a week with fatigue and muscle pain, but it was a small price to pay for the peace of mind and it was the Faceless Men who blew up Valyria.

[@kalibhakta8640]

also... I don't think it would necessarily require a massive infusion of cash from the sale of a magick sword to hire the Faceless Men to off the mages because... I don't think they were hired. I mean, what were they going to do, pay themselves?

[@theavidreader922]

Sheep Stealer is my favorite because I can also be bribed with food.

[@LilySaintSin]

Same

[@DandreRich]

Working on my car and missed the livestream. Wanted to see the interaction after watching the ASX Summerhall vid. Great stuff tho.

[@nicholaswiese4241]

excellent work as always, Mr. Magician.

[@TheFROMaholicFletch]

Viserys told us what happened in Valyria and he didn't noticed 😂😂😂 when he is talking to Rhaenyra, 1st episode.. And the same sentence justified Vhagar's actions towards Aemond. " The idea that we control dragons is an illusion. They're a power, man should've never trifled with. One that brought Valyria it's doom, if we don't mind our own histories , it will do the same to us" Dragons turned on themselves and burned the entire city to the ground.. now he know what causes the doom.

[@manaash4316]

Cannibal, who ain't got time for no rider, but always has time for a snack.

[@JoeMagician]

Absolute legend

[@manaash4316]

@@JoeMagician I feel a kinship with Cannibal. Forever alone, and always stress eatin' 😂

[@gdgiannini]

Second video I've watched... still struck by how pretty this man is. Good hair piercing eye great smile. Hahaha sorry I'm such a goober 🤣😂🤣

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

Dracarys 🔥🔥🐲🐉🐲🔥🔥

[@kyle9984]

I always liked Quicksilver, it had a small role in the story before it was killed ( so much wasted potential) but it's description as a white or silvery dragon sounded cool and even as young/small as it was it was willing to take a run at Balerion and Maegor.

[@alexone5045]

I also like the theory that the targs sold the Lannisters bright roar and used the gold to cause the doom. The doom of valerya would be paid for by the gold of casterly rock

[@renaigh]

the Targaryen Prophecy, from Aegon the Conqueror to Aegon the Fifth, lead up to the last chapter of A Game Of Thrones, Dany's hatching of her children inadvertently caused the madness of her Dynasty.

[@jennybird7902]

Silverwing has to be my favorite because she was my girl Good Queen Alysanne’s dragon!

[@shays8349]

Fantastic stream as always Matt. I love Silverwing 😍

[@GreyWasteTim]

(For the giveaway) Balerion the Black Dread. Gotta go with the OG.

[@vidarfe]

This is my choice too. Balerion is awesome! :-)

[@alexone5045]

My favorite theory of the doom is that the maesters hired the faceless men to be cause the doom

[@WhoIsCalli]

Great stream. Love the theories about the Doom

[@samanthamorris5340]

I don't know if I go in for that theory, but it fits the Lannister mindset. Now that they have a special sword, no one else can have another again! Making what they have more rare and special. They're so warped. Lol

[@thelonelybolter8245]

OMG the God's Eye IS Crater Lake in Oregon. 110% volcano crater.

[@BlazesRat]

Meraxses!!! My fav Dragon!!!! For the WATCH!!! LOL i meant, for the shirt!!

[@BlazesRat]

Soooooo dope!!! Email me! Thanks so much!!! 🥰

[@iuks2185]

Starts 01:57

[@LightningNC]

Starts at 1:56 Really starts at 5:32

[@mauralee9987]

Silverwing is my favorite dragon and I was intrigued to read in “Fire and Blood” that the dragon kept refusing to fly over the wall. Was it just due to the icy wind blasts and the fact that dragons don’t like ice and cold or was it due to something more magical and mysterious? (.......the Others?????)

[@curtiswfranks]

I missed the stream because I was helping a family member move out. But I look forward to catching up!

[@bkilg2509]

Catalyst....... CATALYST! KAT-ALYST 🤯🤯

[@michaelwright3830]

How long has the weather on Planetos been screwy? Does anyone else think that when the Children of the Forest brought down the "HAMMER OF THE WATERS" that they funked up the weather and changed the length of the seasons? Or maybe, if the two events coincide, the "DOOM OF VALYRIA" had to do with the funky seasons?

[@jonathanlewis1981]

Seasons have been messed up since the long night, the Doom was only 400 years ago. What ever caused the long night caused the seasons to be messed up

[@michaelwright3830]

@@jonathanlewis1981 Ok. Thanks, bud.

[@ooBigT88]

What's the time line on the doom and the children of the forest breaking the arm of down could they new related

[@JoeMagician]

Shattering the arm of dorne and the neck took place thousands of years before

[@SingingSealRiana]

if hardholms destruction was a vulcan eruption, where is the vulcano? where there any hints of seismological activity in that area? I always assumed it was an impact event . . . but I am open to reconsider given evidance

[@bensonrussell7232]

Gods eyes is just like Crater Lake in Oregon. Wizard island is in the center ( I'm not making that up ) and its one of the deepest lakes in the world.. And yes I do believe it was a valcono eons ago.

[@JoeMagician]

Correct, I went there as a kid. It's a massive blown out volcano not a meteor strike. Pretty incredible to see up close and to try and imagine how devastating that explosion was.

[@bensonrussell7232]

Thank you Matt for the stream. Always love the weekends for that reason. My question. Did the targaryans practice incest before the doom? Or was that something they started after.

[@JoeMagician]

Seems to have been a valyrian thing before the Doom that they kept doing

[@krushpetty444]

My favorite dragon has to be the black dread, A dragon so large towns were cast in shadow as it flew over. I’d love to see the conquest of Westeros at some point

[@PackLeader12690]

Nah Volantis seems to be inspired by the capital of Pompeii which goes by a similar name

[@dannymckay2679]

Vermithor cuz he used to hang with Jaehaerys then smoked that Massey Dweeb.

[@Hopeoftheflame1]

Dreamfyre is my favorite ASOIAF dragon due to the name. Outside of ASOIAF, my favorite is Jormungandr because he is high and circles the world.

[@KristenBaziinga]

Silverwing 🦖

[@HarleyQuinnSoldier]

They just need to make a series about Valeriya & it’s downfall to go along with Game of Thrones & House of Dragons

[@proild]

In this livestream you mention some kind of project you're really excited about. But, unlike the usual, you didn't want to give away the surprise, as it's an original theory of some sort. Is this project out by now?

[@honoratagold]

The "gold of Casterly Rock" comment doesn't necessarily mean direct trade with the Lannisters, although that seems to be how the Valyrians interpreted it -- most of the gold in Westeros originates from Casterly Rock, so it could mean sufficient trade with Westeros *at all*. Aenar moving to Dragonstone matches up timeline-wise with when most Westerosi houses date their valyrian steel swords. Aenar moving to Dragonstone to avoid the Doom opened up an avenue for trade in Valyrian Steel weaponry, which brought Westerosi gold to Valyria, which was used by Valyrians to pay for faceless men to take out their political rivals, which ultimately killed too many of the fire mages and caused the Doom.

[@stephenjones4013]

I want to know whats there now

[@aemondtargaryen9869]

It could be Aurion(the guy that called himself emperor) might have a part since he survived while other dragon lords just got murdered.

[@Henbot]

Would have loved if the show made way more about that children of forest coup at the end with bran. It would have been easy too just saying how they took control because all people do is butcher and they would be the ones to break the wheel. My secret head canon ending is that would Dany looked over King’s Landing proud of her victory and Cersei having to surrender only for Dany eyes to roll back and be taken her over by Bran because him trying to end the dragon lords could make sense

[@ajayborkar1788]

Support comment: It's always doomy in Valyria.

[@LilySaintSin]

I'd watch that.

[@destaniebarnes]

What if the children were keeping them out so Westeros was just marked as 'off limits' but as the children got pushed farther North it stopped being as effective, so slowly the Dragonlords were able to reach Westeros.

[@Henbot]

Maybe the Red God was what they found after digging too deep and they awoke it which led to it triggering the Doom of Valyria or it was made by the disaster

[@renaigh]

I wonder what AtC thought about Slaves.

[@SingingSealRiana]

really depends on where you live, vulcanos do not just randomly pop up somewhere, there are certain criterias needed to be met. Same goes for earthquakes, tsunamis . . . where I live natural disasters are, or well where, quite unlikely. Only in recent years did we start to get worryingly strong storms. No borders to the sea and tsunamis are not a concern and things like that. The biggest threat are the longtherm consequences of a massiv eruption quite far away and impact events that do not care about your geographie.

[@dialupsituation1839]

I think it makes sense why the Valaryons and Celtigars didn't take Dragonstone. If you don't have dragons, why would live in a dreary, stinky place that doesn't produce food? Doesn't seem like a prosperous seat without dragons.

[@Vladimír-Ráth]

Caraxes

[@MaesterTori]

Watching this again in April 2024, and response to the question of What was The Doom? Is what the Faceless Men refer to as their Great Whoopsy-Daisy

[@Henbot]

Maybe the children had a firewall that kept dragons at bay from Westeros until they got massacred so they slowly retreated beyond the wall and thus the firewall against dragon lords faded or broke

[@overlycaffeinatedsquirrel779]

The Children are allied with the Faceless Men, so they may have made a trade or where that alliance started.

[@lupealva9946]

Why are they faceless assassins in GOT?

[@bvyner5727]

Galadriel could have survived the doom

[@lhillenburg]

Who said the Lancasters bought Brightroar from the Valyerians? Thery could have gone through a middle man, or brought it second hand, so the the Valyrians never directly sold them a sword.

[@Grizzlymeadows]

Sheepstealer all day! Love that curmudgeon.

[@AzrielEver]

The constant human sacrifice sounds very Aztec to me Do you think it required a human sacrifice everyday or several hundred at intervals? I’m imagining even 14 a day for the 14 Flames would add up over the centuries

[@michaelwright3830]

My favorite dragon is BRUCE LEE. Y? Cuz.

[@numbersend2966]

GRRM 😂

[@tonyaniehaus3296]

2

[@ardaraith]

1

[@pamjames9077]

Happened in fall of the Soviet Union.

[@drewlovs]

I love the “that whole manifest destiny thing” comment... like there is another way for one group of people to take another’s land away from them. They might not cite a God, but literally everything else is the same-heck, even lions do it, right down to raping the native women and killing all the children of the previous leader of the pride. It’s kinda the only way... no one is going to give up what they have willingly.

[@thelasttaarakian]

Dragons are a dumb gimmick.

[@LilySaintSin]

No, they're a metaphor.