Philosopher Jack Symes deconstructs Tommy Robinson

[@dannyquinn9128]

It would be helpful if you put Jack's name in either the title or description. Thanks.

[@thomasullmann7447]

Indeed, I've been outside of the accademic philosophy world for a while and hadn't come across him before. It would be good to make it easier to search his work rather than skipping through the interview to confirm his name again.

[@koumasterblaster]

Absolutely. Incredibly disrespectful.

[@John12050]

It would be helpful when you are pointing this out if you could give the full name 😕 What is Jack's full name?

[@dannyquinn9128]

@@John12050 Jack Symes.

[@mandomanadomando]

He introduces himself at the beginning of the video, but you're right, his name should be menstioned, it's Dr. Jack Symes

[@Gorbyrev]

Part of the grift? Mr Robinson's cousin was raped and his uncle's friend Mark Sharp died after an assault by Luton residents of Pakistani descent. I don't like everything Tommy says but he grew up on the streets of Luton unlike this well spoken philosopher who has probably never been in a street fight.

[@Norfolkandchance886]

You can't tell these people that because they simply don't believe that place's like bury park exist and you know they don't have the balls to go and take a look.

[@Morris1989]

Ironically a few days ago this same podcaster was saying that it was a disgrace that the grooming gang victims weren’t believed because they were working class and rough round the edges, yet dismisses Tommy Robinson in the exact same way. “If only he had decent R.E lessons like we did..teehee”

[@carbinewilliams9943]

This bloke above is a wet wipe!

[@adas1023]

​@@Norfolkandchance886 grew up in luton, my dad my sister and i regularly went to bury park, the only time any one of us felt unsafe was when there was a football match or when the edl did marches.

[@FahadAyaz]

If those are true, and I've no reason to think that you're lying, then those are crimes that should be prosecuted. It certainly isn't a justification for demonising groups and inciting fear, hatred or violence against them. I have no idea how having been in a physical fight adds to Tommy's credibility or even that that's something we should be considering to be a prsiseworthy thing

[@IllusionistBeatsOfficial]

I hate the whole "innocent women and children" line. They're all innocent. The men included. The idea that the women and children are innocent but the men aren't is basically a concession to genocide.

[@andrewb6647]

There's a reason they say women and children, it's not through hatred of men, it's because of the fragility that people understand when women and children are victims. We've done well in history having the safety of women and children being prioritised. It's a precedent.

[@zootsoot2006]

The extent to which they shelter and give succour to terrorists, they're certainly not innocent.

[@giftchiposipho8967]

Palestine especially Gaza has always been trying to appeal to the world who says all men are fighters. That's why they don't talk about civilian men murdered most of the time.

[@mousquetaire86]

So true.

[@europa_bambaataa]

Gaza? In most contexts when fighting a less conventional military enemy, "fighting age males" is nothing to sneeze at. Roughly 14 and up. They don't all take up arms, and we should make that distinction. But some of them do

[@PShaDC]

I recall hearing about a marine biologist working at an aquarium who became depressed when he realized there was no porpoise.

[@MrTomr316]

Very nice

[@First_Principals]

He is obviously completely the wrong type of person to be teaching philosophy.

[@haruspex1-50]

I think these two are so naive. I say this as someone who’s well versed in Islam. Part of my family is Muslim. My wife herself was raised within a Muslim household. As the saying goes evil exists when good men do nothing. For far too long due to political correctness and fear of offending a religious community institutions were complicit. You don’t have to like Tommy but at least he had the balls where others didn’t to sound the alarm. What I’d like to see is less finger pointing about Tommy, Rogan and Peterson and more honest discussion about how to tackle elements of the ideology which are problematic so that the next generation don’t experience the ordeal of girls gone by. That requires tough unpleasant and unpopular topics being discussed and hard grown up conversations. A lot of these issues are cultural but have credibility in schools of jurisprudence, tafsirs and authentic hadiths. These things need addressing. I growing up had to wrestle with them. My wife had to wrestle with them. At this moment in time Jack is too eager to please the establishment here. People downplay the religious element of these attacks at their peril.

[@fooddrinkfusion1013]

Churches carrying about abuses for centuries in UK has tommy ten names said a peep. 🤡

[@TheDrexelUK]

Could say exactly the same of Christianity.

[@3brenm]

Im trying to reply to you but all my comments get deleted. And I'm a moderate.

[@TheDrexelUK]

@@3brenm It's not a conspiracy - sometimes comments just don't get through irrespective of the content.

[@Oakeybloke]

​@@3brenmI've had that issue too sometimes, when commenting on my phone...like I am now, hopefully it gets through 😄 I think there are issues when watching shorts that are suggested beneath the video you're commenting on, did the comments end up on one of those shorts? That happened to me.

[@pps900]

These two are so far from knowledgeable. Absolute waste of time watching this.

[@katsinthecradle89]

No this man is obnoxious he was rude and condescending to a young woman on Piers interview boasting about his credentials to suggest he was more knowledgable than her just because he didn’t agree with something she said. Had to stop watching after that as I’m about to do now

[@summer5145]

I thought he was fantastic & fact checked her. If you choose to believe that woman then it shows you just want to buy into the hate narrative and dont care for evidence that dr Jack was citing.

[@TheLucanicLord]

You mean they don't agree with what you hear on GBeebies.

[@richardfraser7024]

Too subtle for your binary worldview? Go get an education

[@AlphaMaverick1111]

talmud ketubot 11b 6

[@jaykemartin7427]

Gaslighting at it`s finest. Let`s talk about the victims for once.

[@gordonstrong5232]

The f are you talking about?

[@catross3713]

Tommy Robinson made it harder to get justice for the victims by breaking the law.

[@Khakster10]

Funny how you don’t care at all about victims of SA from white males 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Old_Sod]

What aboutism

[@ohdearism]

Shamima Begum was a victim of trafficking. Yet for some reason the far-right see her as a perpetrator, almost as if their only goal is to fuel hatred towards Muslims, which it clearly is.

[@SB-sg4em]

Very odd decision to stick Tommy Robinsons names in the heading and description but the name of the philosopher you are talking to throughout this video is nowhere to be found. Bizarre.

[@deepee6602]

Clickbait

[@daisyhobbs7500]

I think it`s a very good decision. Philosophers are 10 a penny, Tommy Robinson is unique and very brave - for all his faults. He`s surrounded by enemies and critics, yet still he fights on for the little girls who were brutally raped by hundreds of muslim men, whom we`ve only recently been allowed to speak about - or even call them out for what they are. Come down off your high horses, Tommy is not educated to your level but - ........."even the dull and ignorant have their story to tell`. He`s lived amongst these communities and has watched it all happening and that`s what made him angry.

[@adamcummings20]

@@daisyhobbs7500 Your horse is higher, need a ladder?

[@arfurascii2232]

@@daisyhobbs7500 He has convictions for violence and dishonesty, he's put at risk grooming gang trials, he gambled away six figures while receiving donations from supporters, and he's subject to a stalking prevention order. There are far better people than him working in this field.

[@johnconnors6412]

Hes a self titled philosopher, hes not really 9ne, just a big gas bag really

[@VV-wc4bg]

A 30 year old philosopher doesn't know anything about anything.

[@AM1465]

I thought that. Little life beyond academia.

[@andram1965]

laughable , still sitting yellow 😆

[@GlasPthalocyanine]

Some surviving victims from Rotherham have said that they wouldn't be alive without public support. Free speech is a lifeline, not a luxury.

[@areal1853]

False Flag racist troglodytes are us.

[@Dick-g8z]

Them being saved had absolutely nothing to do with Tommy Robinson. They were saved because social workers who knew the girls went to the authorities

[@mynewcolour]

The EDL did absolutely nothing to advance justice for the victims though. Don’t be fooled.

[@richardraymond878]

​@mynewcolour The EDL ? That was disbanded over a decade ago. Robinson exposed the rape Gangs solo. Then his persecution began

[@TheLevellers2025]

Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.

[@DyLamont-y7n]

I was homeless, got into drugs, went into prisons, then i got to know Jesus, He changed my life.. Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH!

[@GinaMarie-o3g]

How did you do it? Do explain please 😯 My family have been into series of sufferings lately

[@DyLamont-y7n]

All thanks to Anna Kathleen Sanford

[@DyLamont-y7n]

After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.

[@JenFlyn]

I do know Anna K. Sanford, I also have even become successful....

[@Blakkee]

Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Anna Kathleen Sanford.

[@GeoffV-k1h]

The fact that JP said on Piers Morgan that Tommy Robinson was his chief source of information from Britain suggests he should no longer be taken seriously.

[@IceFire47]

It’s quite interesting that since coming out of his medical induced coma he’s been moving with a christian crusade like agenda.

[@TheLevellers2025]

Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.

[@RobbieMeadows-oz4cx]

Bruv .l named me 2 xl bully Tommy n Robinson. I nose what's going down, bruv ..you tryna cancel him..President Starmer is not good bruv

[@mattjones1776]

Yeah, I thought that was really weird. The UK media in general has covered this extensively and even the BBC hasn't pulled its punches. He said that TR has been his main news source for the last 15 years. I think he might be fibbing to prop up his recent TR affiliation.

[@jaykemartin7427]

Yes you just stick to the BBC and the government for your source of information.

[@mazglaz5992]

Why did the community and religious leaders of all these cities not stop or report the perpetrators over all the yers that these endemic rapes, torture and trafficking going on? Why the silence?

[@FarhanAli-qo9we]

Because it wasn’t related to religion and there are no such thing as Pakistani “community” leaders

[@Yujo1031]

Who is this guy? Why his name is not in the title?

[@JackHGUK]

He said his name and profession in the first 5 seconds

[@mandomanadomando]

Dr Jack Symes

[@gizmo5601]

Clicks

[@muttley5958]

A poorly educated champagne socialist. 🎯😂😂

[@ppetal1]

Exactly ​@@gizmo5601

[@suzika8362]

What most, if not all people missing is the Israeli lobby's involvement with Robinson as well as Peterson recently since he joined the DW !!!!! Robinson is actively working for division on behalf of Israel in the uk, hence that x post too

[@marcbaigrie2295]

We need to start talking about the Jews

[@zootsoot2006]

Oh be quiet

[@summer5145]

Divide the Brits cause infighting. Take attention away from the elites, neo-cons and zinits. And the piblic fall for it hook line and sinker.

[@andram1965]

😄😅😆

[@joemorris5380]

Talking rubbish, has no clue of real life. Let him live in Bradford or Leeds for a week, he wouldn’t last 24 hours before he called for his daddy

[@ck58npj72]

Nice country you have for yourself...

[@Solsbeary]

fake profile

[@venturecrew06]

I personally find these 2 insufferable.

[@johncarroll772]

Why suffer then

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@johncarroll772 to keep an eye on how crazy the far left are.

[@buck6604]

@@johncarroll772 Same reason why we go to the zoo to see the animals.

[@johnconnors6412]

They are some self important bores .

[@joeegg90]

Oh look! There are other videos on this webpage, try one of those then and don't "suffer" at all.

[@mansnotbot4160]

Rogan's views change depending on who he's talking to.

[@janicelgo4522]

Bingo

[@gullygullible9774]

We change with the facts human Joe is a good lad he has never said he was perfect 😊

[@roundpaw]

@@gullygullible9774He’s a massive cnt and if you’re British you have no business listening to that shite

[@TheLucanicLord]

He's like indecisive Dave off the Fast Show. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYOzlKapppJqi9U

[@BARRACULA94]

​@@gullygullible9774 yes, you are meant to change your mind dependent on the evidence presented...however, you are also meant to have; principles, critical thinking skills and the ability to parse propaganda, facts and their context, Joe Rogan has repeatedly demonstrated he does not possess, or is paid not to possess, these faculties.

[@tedevlin1]

At 09:40: Nit picky - but there are allowances for victim testimony to be recorded and not given in front of their abuser. Not as prevalent as perhaps it should be, but misleading to suggest we don't do that at all in the judicial system.

[@robertrichards9565]

No, the only way to face criminal charges for any kind of speech in the United States is if it involves an immediate threat of danger or violence. That standard is high when it comes to threats to an individual and it’s much higher when the threat is towards the government. What Tommy Robinson said might get him a civil suit from an individual for defamation, but from what I could tell, there is absolutely no way he would receive a fine or face jail. The idea that someone would face jail time for something said online that isnt a reasonable and credible threat of immediate violence is bizarre and Orwellian to me.

[@arfurascii2232]

You may be right that Mr Robinson would not be in prison in the USA for his behaviour, although there are 50 states along with the District of Columbia, and about 20 states have criminal defamation laws (punishable by prison albeit rarely in practice, and for which criminal contempt sanctions may be allowed). Damages are also a thing there. Either way, Mr Robinson's wrongdoing was in the jurisdiction of England and Wales. On ten occasions (to which he admitted) he chose to breach a court order that he stop making a specific set of defamatory statements about a boy who had sued him for defamation and won. Aggravating factors in considering the period of his committal (time in prison) included the fact that contempt proceedings were begun after the first four occasions but he nevertheless went on to do it another six times; and that during these contempt proceedings he failed to attend a hearing he was ordered to attend (another contempt in itself). He did all that instead of adopting the law-abiding approaches of appealing against the defamation judgment or applying to vary the court order. Incidentally, instead of paying damages he has declared bankruptcy; he told the court he was in lots of debt and that he had gambled away £100k while receiving donations from supporters. If someone won't be punished after a trial concludes there was defamation then there is no point in defamation law and you might say that's all to the good but, to me, it's not obviously true that an adult who can't support their claims to the civil standard should be free to make a sustained campaign of defamatory statements about a child, causing misery, harassment and other consequences. If Mr Robinson had no previous convictions including one for illegally entering the USA, perhaps he would be able to live in a more defamation-friendly US state,

[@Norfolkandchance886]

​@arfurascii2232 how could that boy afford to go through the court's? Legal aid is a complete joke

[@petes9524]

Ask Trump, he'll explain how he'll be doing that.

[@lovelymommabear3618]

@@arfurascii2232 The bar is very high

[@brandyhaywood6256]

I'm afraid I can't accept this female as a serious interviewer. This is clearly a hit piece against Tommy Robinson. The 'philosopher' is clearly trying to cause damage to Tommy Robinson's reputation. A very bad piece of journalism. Someone sent him a WhatsApp? The information missed her completely? Sorry, it just doesn't ring true. Pathetic.

[@mandomanadomando]

Dr. Jack Symes, for anyone that's wondering who the guest is

[@sallyb3806]

What does he do , just curious, seems knowledgeable

[@tunes012]

@@sallyb3806 Professor of Philosophy of religion. He teaches courses and lectures on that topic amongst others that may lay adjacent. Edit: and conducts research.

[@muttley5958]

A champagne socialist. 😳

[@TheDrexelUK]

@@muttley5958 which does nothing to devalue his opinions or knowledge - just shows off your bigotry

[@DR07921]

@@muttley5958 Really!

[@mikekram2199]

6:52 "There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy….So long as we persist in this inborn error, and indeed even become confirmed in it through optimistic dogmas, the world seems to us full of contradictions." Arthur Schopenhauer

[@TheLevellers2025]

Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.

[@ryanstark2350]

God. Five minutes in and already numerous lies. Stopped watching.

[@MP-mr8rj]

Its pretty shocking how uninformed these “educated” people are!

[@TheLucanicLord]

[citation needed]

[@GaryParris]

which lies are those? if it was about tommy, jordon or elon, chances are you are fan of one or all and simp hard!

[@ryanstark2350]

@@GaryParris Robinson would not have been charged for contempt of court in the US. Robinson did not plead guilty to making libelous claims against the Syrian boy. Also, I'm not a fan of either Robinson or Peterson but Robinson is being used for political purposes. He shouldn't be in prison for what he did.

[@ryanstark2350]

Peterson isn't really cheerleading Robinson either. He just gave him a platform to speak. The trouble with this obsession in going after Robinson is that he's being built up as a martyr. Musk on the other is using Robinson to try to get Farage out and Lowe in. Lowe is a hardcore Austrian economist. Better to leave Farage as leader. Just stop going on about Robinson. The reason Americans are supporting Robinson is because they have a much better sense of justice and free speech and can see Robinson is being unfairly targeted with lawfare and endless lies in the media about what he has said and done even if he has said bad things.

[@mattjones1776]

I agree with many of the things that you're saying, especially regarding Tommy Robinson, Jordan Peterson and Elon Musk, however, I think when we're talking about the mainly Pakistani-British nonce gangs, it doesn't serve the victims to skirt around the subject by repeatedly mentioning various other types of paedophilia. Paedophilia, in general, isn't the subject at hand, the subject is this particular type of crime that seems to have a cultural and religious component; experts on the subject such as Trevor Phillips, Ann Cryer, Sara Rowbotham, Simon Danczuk, Sammy Woodhouse, Maggie Oliver, Nazir Afzal and Andrew Norfolk will all tell you the same thing. Ignoring the elephant in the room is how we've ended up in this mess in the first place and we shouldn't be afraid of acknowledging hard truths when children's lives are at stake. No one's saying we shouldn't prosecute all the different types of paedophilia, or that it has to be one or the other. They're noticing a pattern that's occurring across the country, that appears to disproportionally involve a specific community, and want to get to the bottom of it. I agree that we should implement the recommendations from the Jay report while simultaneously commissioning a national inquiry into grooming gangs. The more data we can collect, the better.

[@pwimbledon]

And if there was another national inquiry, and it ended up agreeing with the Home Office's own report in 2020, which, while not without faults, found that Asian gangs were not disproportionality involved in group base sexual abuse - do you think people would accept those results?

[@HoobtheNoob]

Very well articulated - and for me the only sensible opinion.

[@mattjones1776]

@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically Pakistani-British Muslim gangs. But yes, provided the information is in-depth and presented transparently, I expect the majority of people would accept the findings if that happens to be the case.

[@reubenhill6350]

Completely agree

[@mattjones1776]

@@pwimbledon The subject isn't Asian gangs, it's specifically majority Pakistani-British nonce gangs. But yeah, if the inquiry is fully researched and it shows proportionally there's no issue, I believe most people would accept the results.

[@kelechiaguocha6125]

This is just the beginning…circa 1930s Germany Point to the 20% of these crimes committed by Brits of South Asian descent. Whilst, ignoring the state-sanctioned violence via The Church of England🤷🏾‍♂️

[@sydnacious4239]

You people never think you deserve any reckoning for putting muslims ahead of your own people. Loyalty & love of country are like poison to you things. How tragic for England.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Did Labour order the church abuse covered up as well then?

[@williamjohnson5229]

If 3% of the population is commiting 20% of the crime, then that is a massive problem within that section of the population. That is something that needs addressing.

[@missp498]

I don't think the church was running prostitution and gang rape, drug rings.

[@blazeentertainmen100]

@@williamjohnson5229south Asians make up less of sexual crimes in the uk than they make up the population

[@charleskershaw5341]

Stop using your platform to talk about tommy and start using them to talk about the rape gangs, and islamic rape coultur if you want him to go away.

[@johnbess2849]

Tommy is a political prisoner

[@tevildo45]

He’s not. He’s a criminal.

[@alanw18]

If you are jailed by a politician you are a political prisoner.

[@ElectronicWitchcraft]

I went on Joe Rogan last year and told him to de-platform Tommy Robinson... That went well, Rogan is notoriously far left these days isn't he? Christ almighty.

[@johncarroll772]

Brits are renowned for sarcasm 😅😅

[@longlivefreedom9853]

The problem nowadays is that everyone is throwing everyone under the bus simply to gain on social media ( make money ).... No action is taken on anything just a lot of hot air for 30 minutes before they go on their next podcast.......

[@penelopezapata286]

I’m seriously worried that the likes of Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Tommy Robinson and now Zuckerberg can so easily stir up the far right shit show. I’m now in the process of coming off X, Facebook and Instagram and switching to Blue Sky

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Has it ever occurred to you that you might the one that's wrong?

[@subinmathew667]

Run Forrest run.

[@aidanknox122]

But he isn't...

[@kingy231]

Jack Vile

[@davidhitchcock9795]

Peterson got his start saying the most utterly objectionable things about trans and gender diverse people in Canada. He has *long* been off the edge. It's perfectly fine to acknowledge his rhetorical skills in various psychology lectures and so on, but the idea he is only now radicalised in a dangerous way is about 5 years too late, I'm sorry. He just played the role of prosperity padre for young men better than many others.

[@nicbongo]

He was against laws being mandated that tried to force his people to use l specific anguage, which is an understandable position. Jack is correct that JP went bat shit after joining right wing news organizations.

[@gregorious123]

Nathan Robinson had his number years ago when he wrote about Peterson in Current Affairs. Peterson's scribblings in Maps of Meaning were the canary in the coalmine.

[@lewis123417]

Not really. His views on transgender people align with the majority of people in the UK. Most people don't think kids can be given puberty blockers, that's just reality

[@lewis123417]

Like it or not, the trans activists managed to trick the medical community into giving out treatment with scant evidence. Its a national scandal, not a surprise most normal people in the UK know it's wrong to mutilate kids

[@selfpreservationsociety]

How middle class and boring

[@BecauseOfDragons]

I think it's a good point on teaching more RE in schools so you have a greater understanding of people's beliefs. It would go a long way towards changing people's warped perspectives on religion. Even if you're atheist or agnostic (like I am) it's a good idea to know "why" so you don't get people like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon "making shit up".

[@jujutrini8412]

Correct. I went to a Catholic Convent school. We had to learn about the major religions of the world. We knew all the basic tenets of other religions and even visited a mosque and talks to an imam so we could ask him questions (we went to a Gurdwara ,Temple and synagogue too). None of us grew up with anymore animosity towards people of those religions than our own! 😂

[@daftgowk1]

Blind faith is not belief, it's foolish. This is what we should be teaching

[@ValQuinn]

@@daftgowk1 Most religious people have a lot more capacity for nuance than you give them credit for. I used to think like you, but I it's only a minority of religious people I've met who I would describe as having 'blind' faith. It's comforting to think you are smarter than everyone else, but try a bit of humility, listen to people etc.

[@daftgowk1]

@ValQuinn you don't need to preach to me. I have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. Its all culty nonsense used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching culty nonsense.

[@daftgowk1]

​@@ValQuinnI have lived with most religions, married to a Hindu. They are all cults used to cause harm, this is the story of the human race so i can understand teaching history, but not treating lies as fact, nor teaching cults as a subject

[@ryanjones7921]

Tommy is innocent and Jacks hatred for Tommy trumps anything Tommy has “tweeted”” oooh hurty words,, joke

[@PhilRock889]

This guy comes across as very arrogant. Seems put out because people are not listening to his clearly superior opinion. I'm not a fan of Robinson by the way , but Im even less of a fan of preachy Narcissists.

[@bakedbean37]

Quick question. Have you ever taken a good long hard look at yourself in the imaginary mirror?

[@kevh6948]

Are you sure you watched the same video?

[@garydownes2111]

Wow an upset JP fan? did the man hurt you with his words? his free speech words?

[@hanakrausova3351]

This guy speaks language of youth. Privileged youth it seems. Of course he does not understand veteran warrior.

[@dougie242]

This is generally one of the best podcasts ever done

[@bigtimepizzaenjoyer]

Smug, also forces a hard smile to attempt to get you on his side, poor tactic, can see right through it

[@selfpreservationsociety]

How middle class and tame, trouble is you never lived in the trenches

[@mandyharewood886]

Or the sewers.

[@foldingglint1514]

“You never lived in the trenches” cringeee

[@marcbaigrie2295]

What fkn trenches were Robinson or Jordan Peterson in? Fkn none of them did any service but you glaze them like they did 🤡

[@rollthetape88]

@@marcbaigrie2295 its metaphorical dumb dumb

[@Schmopit]

Neither did you. Get over yourself.

[@vickyislife4050]

14:35 Mr. Philosopher Is this what you consider concent ? And explicitly making it clear that non-consensual sexx is not allowed 😏 Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet (ﷺ) married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet (ﷺ) for nine years (i.e. till his death).

[@richardgullick1867]

It's weird, I would support the people I oppose to be given platforms because I'm confident in my beliefs. I want their ideas in the open so they can be challenged and shown for how absurd they are.

[@one_of_the_Bobs]

Its a double edge sword because on one hand you're correct in wanting to be able to challenge those ideas with the belief that your ideas are more rooted in facts and understanding, but on the other hand its a lot easier to brainwash a society with misinformation than it is to educate them or "deprogram" society that is paralyzed by some dangerously stupid world view. Thats why i agree with Joe in that free speech should be a means to an end because although free speech is important to a morally just society it doesn't mean free speech can't be used as a trojan horse or vector in bringing about the destruction of a society.

[@mikebassett9195]

@@one_of_the_Bobs This is wrong. Brainwashing happens when free speech doesn't exist. What we want is everyone to say what's on their minds and society decides whether they are wrong or right.

[@richardgullick1867]

@@one_of_the_Bobs Who decides which views are "dangerously stupid"?

[@usèr1234-x1o]

Aye....there's the rub.​@@richardgullick1867

[@enciam9791]

@@richardgullick1867 Most effectively it's public shame that arbitrates what is objectionable/dangerously stupid. For example if you say publicly today what 50 years ago would be commonly heard and accepted about certain races, genders, sexual preference etc then most people around you would tell you to stop being a dick. That sense of shame works quite well to safeguard norms and protected categories - if you think about verbalising a racist thought, you may decide not to because of the social effect / backlash. The overton window on these issues has only shifted because of the hard work and risks taken mostly by members of the persecuted groups (feminist movement, anti-racist campaigners etc). The problem with social media is that it is anonymised and depersonalised, and the profit incentive and structure means that it achieves the opposite effect. The most objectionable views are magnified because they drive engagement and clicks, and the most objectionable people gain larger audiences for the same reason. So it's not as simple as giving platforms to people from a wide range of views and letting the marketplace of ideas decide on which ones are correct, because that will never be possible with the incentive structures and profit model of large social media platforms.

[@GroundUp-k7o]

He makes some very persuasive points and some nailed on facts. However whataboutism isnt going to persuade people holding strong views. The equivalent of asking constituents with 1st, 2nd, 3rd hand evidence of these abuses, to look at the bigger picture despite it being based on nebulous data and data recording practices is naive. Akin to Kamala appealing to voters, to imagine what she can do for their friends and allies.

[@azza9652]

You lot really dont understand the appeal of Tommy Robinson, do you? 😂😂

[@neilsquibsyounger1972]

people find him appealing ?????

[@azza9652]

@neilsquibsyounger1972 point proven.

[@halfway2hell33383]

I think more of this is what we need, clear talk with all sides being seen, with truth and facts, imagine if the main stream news was like this.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Haha you mean you want even more far left propaganda because youre not brainwashed enough or you enjoy being kept ignorant?

[@SamuelHill-qt4zx]

I think your emotions are clouding your view on Tommy Robinson. For example, you misinterpret his tweet at 1:17, where you misinterpet his tweet as insulting innocent palestinians because you didn't realise that islamist is not the same as muslim.

[@hair4alluk]

[@enciam9791]

Come off it. There's no nuanced take to what he tweeted, it's vile however you try to polish it.

[@chrissmith-lf1hz]

Yes, it was tasteless and brutal, but why stoop to (apparently seeking) such a low level of tolerance when free speech laws are on the line?

[@enciam9791]

@@chrissmith-lf1hz Who is talking about free speech laws? We're talking about criticising somebody's speech when they say vile racist stuff to their audience of millions.

[@enciam9791]

@@chrissmith-lf1hz who is talking about free speech laws? We're talking about the right to criticise and accurately describe somebody's speech.

[@fresalilm7706]

I would agree with Ava here that JP has always been an agitator in his time in the spotlight. He may very well be knowledgeable in his field (Which maybe is Jacks point) but what he uses that knowledge and his position for has quite often been dangerous and misguides people. I refuse to believe a man with his intelligence does not know that he often mischaracterises things he is talking about, an academic who acts in bad faith is always sad.

[@zakkhan1579]

No I think that he embraces politics not out of strategising but out of earnest care and interest. Just because he's political doesn't mean he's corrupt

[@doyle6000]

Thanks

[@derekwholden]

It’s so irritating when the guy giggles when he says something that he thinks should be obvious to others.

[@Oakeybloke]

This guy talking likes to extrapolate from theory and assumption. Could we see him talking to victims of these rape gangs, with demeaning tone that he seems to like using, or going to the areas being reported as being troublesome 👍🏼

[@Athletics-East]

It would be helpful to have a definition of 'far right', this term is used so freely, I want t check the people using it mean the same thing.

[@chelseamalarkey116]

Same with far left.

[@rollthetape88]

currently the view is if you want to keep children safe, then of course, you're far right.

[@chelseamalarkey116]

@@rollthetape88 who is saying that?

[@zakkhan1579]

Far right is mildly Conservative most of the time. The left have gotten away with so much engineering that they've managed to gaslight people into thinking they are extreme for resisting mass migration and LGBT theory. Push back

[@MrRailjunkie]

@@rollthetape88 I want to keep children safe & I'm a very proud leftist. I'm proud to be against grooming gangs but not against Muslims.

[@odettegibbs2238]

Tommy is neither "anti-Islam", nor "far right". Get your facts straight, and change the description to this video, as you are spreading hate and falsehood. It's repugnant.

[@julianshepherd2038]

"The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) in England and Wales was an inquiry examining how the country's institutions handled their duty of care to protect children from sexual abuse. It was announced by the British Home Secretary, Theresa May, on 7 July 2014. It published its 19th and final report on 20 October 2022."

[@FilmFallon]

Yea what’s jacks full name?

[@nuance7183]

jack symes

[@nunocanha7062]

Can you add the name of the philosopher to the title?

[@chasingthesun-bi6cx]

Him joining the daily wire was the end of him for me. I don’t think it was always his aim, but his ego and his own poor mental health took him over.

[@waynemongo]

Probably his daughter signed him up

[@nathangordon-v8x]

Who's making the decision to upload 3 videos in 3 hours?

[@thomasullmann7447]

There is a convenient confusion (for the far right) between what should be allowed to be said, and what is right or wrong to say. Stating that someone has said something wrong does not detract from their freedom to say it. Words can have many different uses and individually are hard to demarcate as in themselves wrong or right, or warranting being outlawed. Context is key. Context plays a role not only in the meaning, but strength of influence. This reaches into network theory and what can be consitituted as hubs on a network, like a convetional newspaper, but equally a influencer with 100k followers. A reasonable level of fact checking should be expected on those who partake in influential roles in our social network that should be in the realm of the law. Outside of this there are plenty of things that shouldn't be, but should be allowed, to be said. As a listener we should be equally compelled to call this out. This promotes the practice of reason among the populus as well as the sense of freedom of speech.

[@rollthetape88]

and what is the context of your post? is tommy robinson right to bring a spotlight on this issue?

[@thomasullmann7447]

@@rollthetape88 The context is that when something is called out for being wrong or offensive it's automatically assumed that it is equivilant to saying that you shouldn't be free to say the offending utterance. Often it isn't a matter of 'free speech'. It is what is known as a strawman argument and Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon (stage name Tommy Robinson) has been guilty of such fallacies many times.

[@Thebusinessprodco]

If you have tracked Tommy from the beginning, you will know that his rhetoric may have changed over time, its not as simple as A or B, he and his behaviors have changed over time through time, like any human is susceptible too, I say this not to downplay him or anything, but to explain that he must be deconstructed through time and space, this can only truly be done in a sensitive and methodical way, possibly with his input. He is from a working class background and has not come from Eaton or Westminster, Farnborough ect, the US figures are using Tommy, they are platforming him and hoping that if they appeal to the ego of the oppressed caricature we have of Tommy, that everyone else who feels oppressed will gravitate towards them despite those same people being ready and waiting to exploit them also. sad to see but I hope that people find the right help and the right people are listening to those who feel oppressed or aggrieved. Tommy has progressively gone from criticizing the whole religion, to specific sects, and back again and forth, equally he has used unhelpful labels which are far reaching and damaging, being convicted of a crime does not automatically eliminate someone from giving their testimony, that would show we think very little in the justice or rehabilitation of individuals in this country, Tommy may have been radicalized outside or prison and inside of prison, he may have gotten in bed with other false idols - injustice anywhere is a thing to be called out and the Americans are capitalising on a long thread of an ever expanding situation for their own gain. they do not care about the UK, they are doing this as a means to their end. This is all very bad and we should be clear about this, the US and their citizens are interfering directly in the UK public discourse, and it must stop.

[@Thebusinessprodco]

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to excuse or minimize any harm caused by Tommy Robinson's actions or rhetoric. It's important to acknowledge the hurt and division he has created. However, I believe that to effectively counter his influence, we need a more nuanced understanding of his evolution and the forces at play. It's easy to simply label him a racist and dismiss him, but that doesn't address the underlying reasons why his message resonates with some people. We need to understand how his tactics have changed, who is supporting him, and why. Only then can we develop effective strategies to challenge his narrative and promote a more inclusive society. I also want to stress that criticizing the involvement of US figures doesn't absolve Robinson of responsibility for his own actions. He ultimately chooses how to use his platform. But recognizing external influence can help us understand the broader context and develop strategies to protect our public discourse from foreign manipulation. Ultimately, I believe we need a multi-faceted approach that combines condemnation of hateful rhetoric with a deeper understanding of the factors that contribute to its spread. This includes addressing social and economic inequalities, promoting media literacy, and strengthening our democratic institutions.

[@pcliff9473]

Its Tommys whole business model. He is literally on the Israeli goverments payroll to do such things.

[@ngageracingltd1905]

please point me towards this statement tommy robinson made were can i find it?

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Probably made up by the Guardian as usual, the media have been caught lying many many times, like claiming he pleaded guilty one time when he was never even told what the charge was so couldnt have pleaded guilty, even the court of appeal had to admit that.

[@mubeendhori6081]

Tommy Jordan Elon = Zio connection

[@rollthetape88]

you mean Zion?

[@DR07921]

So thankful to find Jack on PJ. I think very much like him, but right now, I don't have anyone in person to talk to about these thoughts.

[@martyy4073]

why is there a picture stalin ow i mean starmer in the back ground

[@rollthetape88]

they have been pushing pro starmer hard on here. They 're on the wrong side of history for sure.

[@jimnicholson8969]

I saw this guy earlier. He just used insults, no evidence or stats. Looked very weak and silly.

[@ajfrosty6]

Did Jack mean that Religious Education in Britain is mandatory up to 16, not 18?

[@bath_neon_classical]

Texts, ideas, and arguments can be analyzed and deconstructed for clarity or critique, but individuals, with all their complexities, cannot be reduced to mere fragments. This distinction is key in fostering constructive discussions while respecting human dignity.

[@AlphaMaverick1111]

Clarify talmud ketubot 11b 6

[@wiseman2746]

Jack, debate David Wood and / or Apostate Prophet.

[@jujutrini8412]

I think Tommy Robinson should NOT be de-platformed. The opposite should happen - he should be invited on platforms where he is shown all his quotes that display bigotry and hatred when he tries to counter argue that he is not a bigot. Push the proof of his bigoted views in his face! Start off every platform that he appears on with all the proof of his anti Islamic beliefs and proceed from there onwards.

[@andybrice2711]

Yeah, I think the adage _"Sunlight is the best disinfectant."_ holds true. It sometimes takes a while, but giving more exposure to people's bad ideas usually does lead to their downfall.

[@crohnscounselling]

They used to do this but he came out of most interactions outsmarting the interviewer.

[@TheLevellers2025]

Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.

[@garydownes2111]

This misses that the algorithm makes money by radicalizing people.. creating echo chambers and extremism to ensure ongoing interactions between the adds and collecting personnel information to sell.. X and Meta want to make money and don’t care about “free speech”..

[@TheEncourager-p2e]

Haha anti Islamic. Have you just seen what thousands of Muslims men did to British girls? How pathetic. Not all are bad though right?

[@odettegibbs2238]

Jack keeps repeating that Tommy called Palestine a "s**thole" on X. I'd like to see the receipts for that, as I can't find them anywhere. I have, however, heard Tommy suggest he is good friends with people of all castes and cultures, including Sikhs, Hindus and yes, Muslims. Doesn't sound like the kind of person who seeks to "dehumanise" others.

[@ChPol-f2z]

What about the rape victims is that not the important thing

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Not to these people, they have to cover for Labour and their fantasy of "diversity is our strength".

[@loneandaloof]

@@sonofsomerset1695 Not to Tommy who makes millions from this.

[@tevildo45]

@sonofsomerset1695 You’re a hack and you don’t care about victims. The conservatives have been in power for nearly 15 years, what did they do? Tell me

[@mkadi70]

Peterson is cheerleading Tommy Robinson is because now they receive paycheques from the same source.

[@sallyb3806]

Love your channel, brilliant opinion, keep your courage up & keep doing what you do 💖💖💖

[@haruspex1-50]

They’re unfortunately too weak

[@notekase4691]

Tommy is a mosad asset. But despite his disgusting views on palestinians hes done very little to contribute to the genocide. Labour and conservatives both FULLY support it. Selling weapons for years. Tommy has serious personality disorders i would be terrified to do what he has done. Im hoping he may become more reconciliatory. Its all about the persecution status and narcissism. I dont hate him id be happy to debate his views.

[@kelechiaguocha6125]

Not surprised a bit that a far-right ideologue would find respite on Joe Rogan🤷🏾‍♂️

[@saintdon4461]

joe rogan aint far right..he supported bernie sanders ffs lol

[@moniquerene23]

I made it 5 minutes before I'm turning this off. No one deserves solitary confinement for speaking out. These 2 better hope they never find themselves in Tommy's spot.. but it could do them good so they see how extreme they themselves are.

[@graytoby1]

I disagree No one should be de-platformed unless they're breaking the law

[@TheLevellers2025]

Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.

[@garydownes2111]

But platforms are multinational while laws are nation specific. it’s also a very low bar. as an example incite to violence laws might be stricter in one country than another. what’s illegal in the US may be legal in Central Asia.. Tommie R has broken the law including assaulting a woman so by your logic should be de-platformed ..

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@garydownes2111 So what if left wing propaganda like this incites someone to attack Tommy Robinson, as it has before, should these two be arrested if he gets attacked in the future? Oh suddenly I bet you're not so keen when its not two tier justice.

[@raincadeify]

It's ridiculous when any of the Abrahamic religions try to point fingers at the other. The truth is these religions were made by men who didn't consider women equal to them. These are people who would stone a woman for remarrying, but not the man she remarried. I don't know if Muslims have a form of this hypocrisy or not, but I've grown up in a country that considers itself Chrisitian and not a single believer rejects the idea that Lot married his daughters after his god turned his wife into a pillar of salt. There are scores of stories in which the god of the bible commits genocide, including killing prenatal babies.

[@gdrdm]

With all due respect to the guest -- whom I had never heard of before -- the allegation that Jordan Peterson 'became' problematic upon joining The Daily Wire, whereas before his supposedly 'neutral' self-worth and purpose message could be, as far as the public knew, misconstrued or misdirected, is fantastical bollocks. If anything -- and I am not trying to be a stubborn contrarian -- he has toned down his messaging for The Daily Wire. Either the guest is insufficiently familiar with Peterson's pre-DW repertoire (best case scenario), or he is disingenuous (worst case), or he is not very perceptive while pompously dismissive of the large number of people who had been pointing out what Peterson was up to since before the first Trump presidency. Recognize that you were wrong, it's OK, just don't turn your bruised ego into even more 'cautious framing'. It's been 10 years since Peterson emerged as an online and media phenomenon, there is no more need for intelectual nuance, one doesn't need to see through him, everything is on the surface, same as before, no need to know his inner thoughts or intentions.

[@martinb60]

Disagree, I took have noticed a shift in his focus and style since moving to Daily Wire. It may not be specifically linked to DW, but the range of topics and nature of his tweets have stretched beyond his initial areas of expertise.

[@gdrdm]

@@martinb60 Has he said anything like women in Muslim countries crave male dominance? Or that women would be better protected against rape if they were legally recognized as men's property? Or that black people regrettably have lower intelligence vs. whites?

[@gdrdm]

​@@martinb60 I replied earlier but it didn't go through for some reason. I didn't say his rhetoric didn't change, I said he toned it down after he joined DW. Whereas now he's practically "vanilla new-right" within our current unfortunate paradigm, not much different from other mainstream (unfortunately normalized) new-right pundits, influencers, media groups, etc. before joining DW he would say things like -- I'm paraphrasing, but you can find it all online -- "Muslim women crave male dominance", "if women were legally men's property that would protect them better against **pe", "black people regrettaly have lower intelligence than white people, it's tragic, but true", and more. Has he said anything as insane and bluntly terrible as this since joining DW, independently of the proportional 'threat' of having a bigger media machine behind his words?

[@maggierozmanith6542]

Hear me out people: When influencers show off their counterfeit Chanel bags on TikTok to get you jealous and angry - that’s overconsumption rage bait. This is a “philological” rage bait to drive online engagement. I refuse to believe you can be that ignorant, in this smug voice, and not rage baiting.

[@redmed10]

Tommy robinson named twice in title and description of video. The guy in video i don't even know his name.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Thats because Tommy Robinson is someone important, this guy isnt.

[@janinebutcher1593]

It's disgusting that some Palestinian citizens took in hostages from Israel and abused them..

[@GregBecker]

A philosopher may be fascinated to watch this clip, and ponder whether the questions asked give their game away... An academic would do well to research the subject discussed more thoroughly before opinionating.

[@muaythaimarkthailand]

Claiming religious illiteracy is the issue of this topic is mad. Jack just brazenly went over a fact on pedophilia within the Quran as if it’s not an issue or related to this whole topic. This is wild

[@redmed10]

JACK SYMES.

[@stevo83100]

You've got that wrong mate. Biological anthropologist Helen Fisher said once that humans are optimized for survival, not happiness. I agree. We're here to have children and we should try and make that journey as happy as we can.

[@Paragon62]

This guy is so woke, he has been programmed by his education. More misinformation about Tommy.

[@fooddrinkfusion1013]

Tommy ten names is the peak of factual information, just like his name suggests 😉

[@TheDrexelUK]

What did he say that was "woke"? If anyone has been programmed it's people like you who can't spot a racist grifter when you see one.

[@TheEncourager-p2e]

​@@fooddrinkfusion1013Ten names?? Wow you're clever. If you had the guts to speak out against Islam you would have to change yours as well. Many people have had to if you look it up. I wonder why that is.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@fooddrinkfusion1013 What are these 10 names, ive only heard 2.

[@Schmopit]

He's been educated you mean. Unlike you obviously.

[@fanmael1]

You were both fantastic on Piers Morgan. Will be subscribing to both your channels.

[@stevenwhittard6967]

Forgive me for saying so, but you did not properly address the issue of technological backwardness amongst legislators, which might well impede the attempt to delegitimise the free speech imperative as a priority over destructive or hateful content in “free” communication channels like X, and now Facebook.

[@danpatterson7108]

If Trump can shut down Tik tok in the US, let's shut down X in the UK

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@danpatterson7108 If you dont like having the right to air your views on X, then don't use it.

[@MegaKapo12]

​@@shelleyphilcox4743nobody uses X i just know 1 real person that uses it all the rest is celebrities and bots.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Yeah go to Bluesky or whatever its called and stay in your far left ignorant echo chamber.

[@Norfolkandchance886]

Yup censor what you don't agree with. What could possibly go wrong

[@nick123nak6]

@@Norfolkandchance886 just like how anti-trump rhetoric is censored on X?

[@adamarmstrong9408]

I would like to see the actual evidence of this tweet!

[@chirag1881]

This guy seems really full of himself.

[@gregorious123]

Who should he be full of?

[@TheDrexelUK]

What because he has an education?

[@PhilRock889]

No because he is an arsehole. Russel brand has not been convicted of anything . Yet he uses him to Gaslight . Freedom of speech only if it agrees with him. Telling everyone what they need to do .Boring.And I dont even like Brand or Robinson.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

@@TheDrexelUK A far left brainwashing you mean, anyone thats been to uni or especially if they work at one has gone through the far left endoctrination process, there are hardly any right wing lecturers working in uni's now. He refused to learn anything from what the far more intelligent Peterson tried to educate him with.

[@Norfolkandchance886]

​@TheDrexelUK no because clearly hes a Jeremy

[@craigp4756]

I think youre ego is getting in the of the trurths and to be fair a majority of uk citizens see it to.

[@carlbdfrd]

Posh Boy does not know the truth. This is a waste of time.

[@lynnstevenson11]

Good for you pal …. TR is crazy says he’s not racist , he is !! JR needs to lay off the green and see the trees for a bit he’s lost it. . JP ugh. wtf to him and his madness. All his chat on how men should be yet got involved with barbs and huge habit …..

[@mattl2k6]

TR has never been convicted of any racism. There is no evidence he is racist and if you actually watch any long form interview with him (Andrew Gold is great) it is clear to anyone he is against ISLAM (which is not a race, it's a religion) which any thinking person in the 21st century should also oppose.

[@Dick-g8z]

​​@@mattl2k6 you can't be convicted of an opinion lol. He's clearly racist

[@sirishgreen]

Jordan is a psychiatrist not a psychologist. I turned it off after he said this.

[@06howea1]

don’t get sucked into rage bait

[@Fat_Cat_747]

LOL, I'm sure Joe Rogan really took notice

[@JD-pi2ce]

Not a Tommy fan but also not a fan of de-platforming unless someone is literally serving time for an unspent conviction. We've seen time and time again how shutting down speech tends to exercebate the problem. Why do we refuse to learn from history? Dislike him, think he's a moron, criticise him, report him to the authorities; all fine but holding the view that he should not be able to repesent his views (which is what deplatforming often amonts to) is an incredibly dangerous slippery slope and will counterintuitively result in the far right becoming further emboldened.

[@ppetal1]

One does not platform slander, libel, or defamation generally. JP included.

[@edwarddonnelly-l7b]

but why do media companies like the BBC and LBC etc etc give eg Farage, Musk, Yaxley -Lennon etc a ridiculous and disproportionate amount of air time.....is it all for click bait ? ie to line their pockets ..

[@badgerbane]

What is deplatforming, really? It is simply people not wanting to have him on their shows or websites. Should private individuals who own podcasts be forced to have a monthly 'Tommy-Hour' where they have to bring him on? If he wants to spew his bile he can grab a soapbox, find a street corner and do it the good old fashioned way, but private individuals, and yes even companies, should have every right to remove him from their zeitgeist if they so choose.

[@AndrewJOliver]

I think we are only just beginning to learn what the consequences of providing a megaphone to everyone really are. A lie travels around the world while the truth is still putting its socks on.

[@TheLevellers2025]

Tommy Robinson has a company on Companies House with the JDL (Jewish Defense League) which is a Prescribed TERRORIST ORG in the USA... Why isn't this being mentioned ? He is an Enemy of the State.

[@andram1965]

mate I want I want to believe you ,where's the evidence that Tommy Robinson tweeted that ?