🧙‍♂️ Marwyn the Mage's Machinations | ASOIAF Quaranstream

[@renaigh]

Marwyn "I'm not like other Maesters" the Mage

[@JoeMagician]

Rebel tattoo on his arm

[@aislynnmari]

Marwyn the mad lad

[@billiramone]

Pixie dream maester vibes. Like Zooey Deschanel with a bald spot.

[@robdean6893]

"I'm like a cool Maester, and if you want to drink any shade of the evening I'd rather you do it in the house"

[@edwinbrown7179]

Marwyn always reminded me of Indiana Jones lol. More occupied with fieldwork but seen as somewhat of an outsider and maverick among his academic peers. He definitely gives me "genius bruiser" trope vibes.

[@JoeMagician]

A bit like Lord Lionel Strong, father of Harwin and Larys. Forged most of a maester's chain, then became lord while being a giant tough fighter too. His stature and slow speech tricked people into thinking he was stupid.

[@edwinbrown7179]

@@JoeMagician Ahh that is right Lionel was another one of that stripe! The Strongs are such an interesting family in general. Come to think of it Oberyn while maybe not the biggest guy also seems to be a scholar/fighter as well. I look forward to seeing Marwyn potentially manhandle someone in the future I'm not going to lie lol

[@JoeMagician]

It'd be certainly strange to make Marwyn physically strong for no reason, that's for sure

[@edwinbrown7179]

@@JoeMagician Thats what I was thinking! For some odd reason however improbable it is I just want Marwyn to interact with Strong Belwas. I think that would be just a funny scene lol. A more interesting meeting with someone like Tyrion or Daenerys of course will take precedence but a Belwas vs. Marwyn arm wrestling contest would be worthy of song haha.

[@michaelshelton5488]

Marwyn has both street smarts and book smarts. Very deadly combination

[@msanders777]

13:40 it does sound like a contradiction. Funny enough, I used to have a wrestling coach that boasted a rock hard ale belly, and would encourage people to punch it. I know that's random af, but figured I would share 😂

[@blackeyedlily]

Actually, this is a quite common condition and a sign of some serious health issues. Most commonly found in men, a hard so-called beer belly is a sign of fatty organs and typically associated with heavy drinkers. I seem to recall the GOT scene from Season 7 when Sam was helping the Maester with an autopsy there was mention of the extremely enlarged liver that was drinking related.

[@madelynmorgan2999]

lol i have an alcoholic family member who shares this trait

[@HICKSKE]

Marwyn is by far the most intriguing Maester. Like if the Maesters had a special agent that is capable of doing the things the Maesters acknowledge that they just are too soft and nerdy to do- he's the one. The citadels own Jack Reacher hahaha.

[@shimaalcarrim7949]

Your content is well above average, Joe! Keep up the good work

[@daenathedreamy9053]

Marwyn as an Archmaester could be a „keep your enemies closer“ thing.

[@monaradu5165]

I can’t help to notice, while admiring Marwyn Strong ibennese features, how much he resembles some members of house Florent, especially ser Axell who is just a younger version of Marwyn (beetled brows and hairy nose and ears included). Add lady Selyse’s moustache - a trait associated in the world Book with women from Ib and the moustached lady portrait in archmaester Walgrave’s memorabilia box.

[@JoeMagician]

That would be something, a secret florent! Would explain why no one likes him.

[@williamhermann6635]

The best theory ive seen is that hes a Royce or Royce bastard. The only other Marwyn in the story is from The Vale and Marwyn's description (barrel chested, large hands, big eyebrows) fit Bronze Yohn Royce too.

[@saranonimus9211]

No matter what a maester tells you...there is no world in the warcraft room. None.

[@curtiswfranks]

Who are the people whom we know to have received glass candle calls? Aemon and Dany come to mind readily and pretty undeniably; they are both Targs. Maybe Greyjoys. Any others? Of course, the issue is anything can be chalked up to glass candles, so we have to establish a confidence threshold.

[@JoeMagician]

The second paragraph is why I think they're a bad late story inclusion. It becomes a wide ranging hunt for effects and common markers to identify them. I think George intended quaithe to be the example, but it just doesn't work well. Would've been better off introducing them earlier or making their effects a lot easier to recognize. Playing dream whack a mole for 4 books sucks.

[@williamhermann6635]

I think Bran and Euron's (alleged) flying dreams were product of glass candle magic. Basically, I think Leyton and Mallora hightower are doing serious wizardry.

[@Henbot]

Do you think if the glass candle usage penalty exists when overused it is what makes Marwyn become more paranoid?

[@JoeMagician]

Definitely

[@albertoriveramena2897]

I think that paranoia comes naturally from spying people at any time and place

[@lyndsaybrown8471]

He's seen too many things, maaaaaaan

[@mauralee9987]

I wonder what Dany will think of him if he does end up meeting her in TWOW. Will we see more of Quaithe in TWOW? I am curious. I still would love to know who Quaithe really is or does it matter. Will GRRM “un mask” her?

[@JoeMagician]

I'm guessing she is going to be unimpressed with another dude from Westeros trying to tell her how to be a Queen.

[@sinjun1973]

I wonder if the glass candles use blood magic. It usually sounds like they just sit and stare at them when they forge their link which doesn't work. Marwyn obviously has learned more on this subject than any other maester and he would definitely try it I bet.

[@robertsmith8734]

It is telepathy.

[@jenniferpearce1052]

It's difficult to pick up obsidian without accidentally cutting yourself. It would be "easy" to accidentally discover the trick if you bumped the candle or tried to move it instead of just staring.

[@williamhermann6635]

There's power in kings blood.

[@williamhermann6635]

​@@jenniferpearce1052 Oooh I like that. Maybe someone will "accidentally" discover how to ignite one.

[@SingingSealRiana]

I missed the beginning and than fell asleep for it was quite late for me . . . I rewatch it . . . At least once, probably more often. These Livestreams are great to listen too while handsewing, both take time and patience, but are totaly worth it ^^

[@espalier]

Seems only partially off topic: George likes to hide names in plain sight. I think a P/T swap is a common thing, which might get a Tycelle/Pycelle name for a Lannister bastard or younger son.

[@JoeMagician]

Are there other examples of him doing that? I have never noticed that tbh

[@noahmallindine410]

Started watching you after your steams, but the way you can personally speak to most of those in your chat really makes me want to be part of a group like this. Like + Subscribe. Hope to see you live soon!

[@AnOpenMindedDrinker]

Hate I missed it live! Can’t wait to watch it back now!

[@JoeMagician]

Get ready for a wild ride

[@AnOpenMindedDrinker]

@@JoeMagician I was not disappointed! 11/10

[@Netherspark0_0]

Could Marwyn be part Ibbenese? From the descriptions of him he does seem to share some of their physical traits. And it would explain why he knows their language.

[@markuslaitinen147]

But wasnt there a thing where they are so different "race" that they couldnt produce children with "vanilla" humans? Or was it that those children are barren, like tigers and lions or donkeys and horsies. He indeed sonds like Ibbese traits, but gan just be traits of a westerosi brute bruiser.

[@shaunw.7299]

Based on the info we've been given aboutMarwyn--- i feel like his views of the greater mysteries and gods(or lack there of) most greatly overlaps w/euron...

[@JoeMagician]

Yeah that's a terrifying possiblity

[@pinkbunny6272]

Ahh no no no nope! Please don't be like that, please!!!😅

[@adamrandolph4003]

@@pinkbunny6272 the parallels were not accidental

[@bensonrussell7232]

Oh yeah almost forgot. Thanks Mat as always love your streams. You truly are a magician

[@JoeMagician]

Thanks again!

[@charleswhite9242]

Man your videos are pure class. Love it 😊

[@roddammit5510]

Rockin them sweet hats as usual! Another great stream. Thank you good sir

[@JoeMagician]

Only rocking them because kind folks slam the like button to help feeding the algorithm

[@dalesmith7250]

Is it a flaw in Marwyn's logic that he has the opinions he has while simultaneously being an Archmaester, or does the fact that he's an Archmaester lend credence to his views? Perhaps the other Archmaesters are scared of him? Also, if he is spying on them with a glass candle, then that may make his views even more credible. You have great content, keep up the good work!

[@JoeMagician]

The flaw in his logic is linking disbelief in what he's saying to his perception of how his fellow maesters feel about him. It's a massive disconnect to go from "We don't think there are dragons back" to "We are actively trying to kill you for thinking that". Especially when we have in universe examples of other maesters being kicked out of the citadel for going after "forbidden" knowledge. The idea that they would not just tolerate him, but raise him as high as he can while trying to kill him is... a bit outside reality. I made this point during the stream, just because he can see more doesn't mean he's seeing it correctly. Like if he sees a dream where another maester fantasizes about pushing Marwyn out of a window, is that proof they all want him dead? No, but if you're Marwyn and you see daggers in the dark everywhere then maybe you will see that as proof. But TBH I think he is exaggerating for the sake of Sam. He's trying to make sure none of the other maesters hear what Sam has to say while Marwyn runs off to find Dany, giving himself a head start. That was the purpose of sending Sarella down to intercept Sam before he could make it to the seneschal.

[@BearusAurelius]

It’s interesting how the characters in ASoIaF who the readers regard as the ‘heroes’ or the ‘good guys’, are the type of people who are labeled as ‘conspiracy theorists’ or ‘extremists’ in real life.

[@JoeMagician]

Marwyn would have a very popular youtube channel talking about the deep state

[@dialupsituation1839]

Ooo, Marwyn mentions prophecies and dragons, then immediately addresses Sphinx by name. Azor Ahai has three heads.

[@jamomma7296]

The marwyn-Mirri maz duur connection and that he’s that “bloodmage” she spoke of who taught her how to do such blood magic at a “high cost” can not bode well for Daenerys, especially considering he’s been watching her with a glass candle and sent her in to dance amongst those shadows through Mirri essentially that “no living person should ever see”. Marwyn suspect as fuck, dany seems to have enemies flocking to her from all around lol

[@lisarood9509]

I agree, I'm frightened for Dany if he reaches her. He may be a mole for the Citadel and may have a double secret probation plot to murder her. If there's power in king's blood imagine the power in a Dragon Queen's blood? Maybe enough to rid the world of dragons forever.

[@TunaBossPizza]

Hey Joe, do u think Marwyn might have been given the title of archmaester ala an executive producer - just a title given to appease him? Maybe they don’t take him seriously. As you said most maesters don’t study the “higher mysteries” ie dragons n magic n stuff. Maybe they don’t think they’re giving him a real position/real “power”? Conspiracies within circles

[@JoeMagician]

Not really, they can and have kicked out maesters for "dangerous" or "forbidden" knowledge. I think they do value him and raised him to archmaester for a reason. Just that he's miffed he's not the most important member of the citadel.

[@reflectiverambling1148]

Writing as I go, sorry if some of this is addressed later on. EEK! Please stay safe. Glass is scary. I had completely forgotten that it was Marwyn that had taught Mirri Maz Duur. (I still say I want a series about her life. >__>) Considering GRRM compaired Iben to Finland if I remember correctly, props in the language department there. I am SO looking forward to all the things previewed. "all coming up Marwyn"...I need to use that in common conversation some how. I love the idea of him being a connection to Rheagar!

[@JoeMagician]

Things can go reallllll easy with a glass candle. The Rhaegar connection is the most tinfoil, but it does tick some odd boxes.

[@reflectiverambling1148]

@@JoeMagician PFFFT. I /live/ for Tinfoil. Tinfoil away! Also in ref to random send, if freakin' patreon would let you customize when it withdrew I wouldn't have my issue. I'm sorry. :(

[@InimitableAde]

Considering his pugilistic stature, Marwyn may have Ibben ancestors. It would make narrative sense and readily explain his knowing the language.

[@espalier]

Canonically Ibbaneese can’t bread with other humans

[@lisarood9509]

@@espalier is that right? I never read that, interesting.......

[@robotgorilla-man6193]

It's not the beard on the outside, but the beard on the inside that counts. Grrm's internal beard is luxurious and it grows slow as shit.

[@bensonrussell7232]

Damn ive been patient, waiting for the time to have enough of said time to properly hear this through. Marwyn the mad mage! God I cant wait for more of him... Hes not a character that really catches my intrest nor really the type of character that draws me but hes just so much of a rebel to the rest of planetoes and if there is a character that is punk as fuck its the mad mage.. I tip my ale to any comrade

[@dookieshoe2905]

Dude, this _is_ a weird stream. I was just wondering to myself kind of out of nowhere if Joes earbuds would die before the end of the stream and then a few moments later he had to take them out to charge. o_O

[@JoeMagician]

They do last longer, I forgot to charge them during the day. Had been using them while getting ready to listen to music. Cursed stream.

[@zacariuswolf8385]

He’s in the pocket of the citadel! 😂😂😂

[@themoviecapo]

Could Marwin be older than he looks? like Melisandre? He may be hiding a jewel in his chain

[@alexone5045]

If glass candles work why didnt he see dany. Maybe what he knows about the wall is the letters from Aemon

[@redted12345]

When I think of Marwyn I picture Tony Soprano physically with Rust Cohle’s attitude from True Detective.

[@renaigh]

Marwyn's a Goron by Samwell's description

[@elliottwilliams9221]

The thing about conspiracies isn’t that everyone is in on it, just a select few, the right people. I definitely subscribe to the Maester/Hightower/OldTowne conspiracy and there may even be others involved we don’t know about yet. But I agree with the professionals vs. crockpot analysis you have although I do like Arch Maester Merwyn . Also I want to know the obvious nod to the a Vatican and Arch Masonry and Rosecrutians.

[@yetipotato8567]

I can't help to imagine him as Alex Jones. Muscular but sort of fat, more like a brawler than an intellectual and steadfast in belief etc

[@j.o.4574]

Alex Jones is steadfast and intellectual. Sometimes both at the same time!

[@tessierashpoolmg7776]

The Mastiff is a bigger bulkier version of Great Danes. Nothing at at like St Bernard.

[@adamrandolph4003]

It came across less like Marwyn was a crazy paranoid schizophrenic and more like he was trying to keep Sam from divulging any info he didn’t want divulged. KNOWING Sam was scared and a good secret keeper and nervous by nature

[@SaltyMinorcan]

Oh good. I can snuggle down to another one of Joe M's masterpieces.

[@amandaofhouserobinson6707]

Love your Livestreams ! Thankyou

[@JoeMagician]

Glad you like them!

[@tomswiftyphilo2504]

Marwyn is the Good Will Hunting of maesters

[@eleanorpfeferman1608]

Marvin is so extra!

[@citizen_wayne]

Skagossi. @1:58:00

[@jonahbundy7992]

Marwyn feels like an edgy stoner who ignored his friends to smoke weed then says “they don’t understand me”

[@valentinpineda247]

Isn't he also called the "mastiff "?

[@ferniek5000]

Why is it crazy for Marwin to think about the motives of the other Maester's? He is able to be more informed about the matters at hand plus can see more deeply with his glass candles. Also we know for sure that lots of plots and poisonings are taking place other places in the story, so why not with Marwin and at the Citadel too?

[@JoeMagician]

Availability of knowledge is not the same as correct interpretation. Case in point, the internet. The average person has access to orders of magnitude more knowledge than ever before and yet they still fall into obvious cons, disinformation, conspiracy thinking, and propoganda easily. Same thing here for marwyn.

[@ferniek5000]

@@JoeMagician I hear you, but with the amount of plotting going on elsewhere in the story, why should we assume it wouldn't be here. For example, John, Jeoffery, Lord Commander Mormount...were all murdered. Little Finger, Tyrion and Cersie as well as Tywinn have all conspired with others to promote thier own positions or to encourage what they want to happen forget about Varrys and the plot on Danerys... The world is full to the brim of such things from Dunk and Egg to the Harpy, so why not at the Citadel too?

[@JoeMagician]

I go into my reasoning during the stream in a lot of detail, if you haven't finished I'd say you should. Not gonna repeat like 40 minutes of the stream in comments.

[@tomswiftyphilo2504]

beer-bellies are caused by swelling of the liver not by fat. so they're hard; not soft.

[@matthewlarue1883]

Thing is there are probably different factions in the citadel itself and what better way to keep marwin under observation than to give him a fake promotion and keep him under one of these factions thumbs.

[@curtiswfranks]

If you are going to give away shirts every now and then, they should be a reward for reaching 200 or more likes while livestreaming for multiple videos (perhaps in a row, but I was just thinking that it would be in total since the last shirt give-away). You do not want to lose too much money by giving away the shirts too frequently. So, if a shirt is equivalent to 8 good livestreams, then give away a shirt on every 10th livestream which gets more than 200 likes while live, or something like that.

[@KaritKtana]

You really have to wonder what Lazy Leo, as well as fake creepy Pate, are doing in Marwyn's circle. It made sense to me he would let people in according to merit, so no doubt he has his reasons

[@tesla4608]

Randall wants to punish Sam for being a failiure, sending him to the citadel would be rewarding him, as Sam wanted to go

[@Levacque]

Hey Joe, all ale bellies are hard

[@j.o.4574]

Joe how grim dark are you to favor Qyb over Mar man???

[@thefunnyfunpeople]

If the maesters really wanted to kill him, then why would they make him one of the archmaesters. Im sure the measter think magic is bs and dont like magic or dragons,but i dont think they are out to get him or want to kill all magic believers. He is known as marwyn the mage. The measters know he likes magic, so they certainly wouldnt make him a major head of the citadel if there was a major conspiracy against magic and magic users.

[@michaelshelton5488]

So, if Marwyn traveled to "ET", I guess he would have used his glass candle to "phone home" 😜🤣

[@renaigh]

Marwyn is not one to waste time.

[@chenthuransuthersan2152]

I'm sure someone has already noted this but all the Targaryen prophecies are dreams so could they have been planted by glass candles? I get why you don't like them as a plot device.

[@Henbot]

Maybe rock hard belly because he ripped like that sumo in street fighter

[@betterthanrae8137]

is he the Fonz of the maesters?😂

[@dd11111]

Ok, so this confuses me. "Marwin is a conspiracy theorist." Then in the next breath, "so Marwin used a magic candle to watch Sam." I get that you're probably talking about the Maesters conspiracy. But it's hard to belive he's not got a point when he's so well traveled and so actively using magic despite the other maesters denying it's existance.

[@JoeMagician]

The internet is a prime example I believe I used in this stream. The ability to have access to more knowledge does not stop conspiratorial thinking, of which Marwyn displays all the signs of. If that were true, the rise of mass media would've eradicated that kind of thinking. That he was watching Sam doesn't mean he's correct about everything else he says to Sam.

[@TheNightMammoth]

Marwyn sounds out of place as a Maester. Would be much more suited to the Night's Watch. Sam is the opposite. I wonder if this is deliberate.

[@dd11111]

You say that conspiracy theorists belive that everyone who doesn't agree with them is "in on it." Yet that contradicts your earlier point of "sheeple." How can conspiracy theorists belive that everyone else are blind followers who don't think critically. But that also everone who disagrees with them are responsible for whatever mystery they are obsessed with?

[@JoeMagician]

It's a form of double think, or self delusion. People who believe those who disagree with them are simultaneously massive idiots but also parts of a vast conspiracy out to get them. It is illogical, that doesn't mean people don't genuinely believe it.

[@bjornkurz2115]

your Varys timeline doesn't fit V. came in Aerys II last 4 years plus 16 years Robert.....all his life with Illyrio in Essos that doesn't fit for me.

[@mateoskydancer2177]

Hows it goin Joe Mamagician?

[@JoeMagician]

Good! A weird but fun stream

[@bunnie12345]

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