🧙 The Tattered Prince's Secret Identity | ASOIAF Theory

[@Luminousreign]

What is his horses name?

[@paradropgeneral4397]

Roach

[@gholamdapantaloonsniffer8218]

@@paradropgeneral4397 Geralt using the Wild Hunts inter dimensional travel magic 😂😂

[@tykehotep2865]

Brave sir Robin, That or Kevin

[@jonahjoy5463]

Friday

[@ricky6608]

dequavis

[@jlshel42]

What's Tatters, precious?

[@jon-umber]

Boil 'em Mash 'em Cut off their sword hand

[@xenophon5159]

😂

[@Augusto_Pinochet]

Lol there really isn’t anything better than KZbin comment sections. Guys like yourself leave these gems that are just as entertaining, if not more, than the video I came to watch. You’ve attained Top G status for this one. 👍🏼

[@jlshel42]

@@Augusto_Pinochet Gracias

[@genosthecyborg3342]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@juanp0093]

I just think virtually every good point you make apply to Ser Barristan just as good, if not better. He literally sheds his cloak to change his identity in our story, when he travels with Strong Belwas. He's also a white haired old man with trouble sleeping. Tatters refers to Quent and the rest as his "3 lads", just as Barristan has 3 squires which he calls lads... Idk, i kinda feel he fits in a bit better, but that's my opinion

[@christinestreeter8566]

I was literally thinking the same thing the whole video! 😂 I’m scrolling through the comments and I see this! Totally agree with you!

[@williamhermann6635]

Barristen also served on the KG with Oswell Whent

[@Sykoorus]

Gerion Lannister is my guess. He would be around same age, has noble beginnings and could give jamies vibes.

[@chadsummerchild1120]

More off an accurate assessment.

[@frankvandorp9732]

Wouldn't Tyrion have recognized him though? Gerion was his favorite uncle.

[@campbell8202]

@@frankvandorp9732 you’d think so but maybe after years of battle, stress and war scars it’s made him unrecognizable to Tyrion? I mean you saw soldiers go off to war come back 3-5 years later and it looks like they’ve aged about 10-20 years so maybe it’s the same here in Westeros that’s just my guess tho I ain’t George so I ain’t making the real canon

[@TheAlaskansandman]

Most likely. Gerion even fights like Jamie, and Jamie is like him in personality.

[@ophirshuchami8188]

Well to be prince of pentos you have to be descended from valyria and be of one of their leading families, which gerion isnt

[@EPYHDA1]

The way Pentos is dealing with their princes reminded me of Robert Sheckley's "A Ticket to Tranai"... "Borg reached for the Presidential Seal, started to remove it from his neck - It exploded suddenly and violently. Goodman found himself staring in horror at Borg's red, ruined head. The Supreme President tottered for a moment, then slid to the floor. Melith took off his jacket and threw it over Borg's head. Goodman backed to a chair and fell into it. His mouth opened, but no words came out. "It's really a pity," Melith said. "He was so near the end of his term. I warned him against licensing that new spaceport. The citizens won't approve, I told him. But he was sure they would like to have two spaceports. Well, he was wrong." "Do you mean - I mean - how - what -" "All government officials," Melith explained, "wear the badge of office, which contains a traditional amount of tessium, an explosive you may have heard of. The charge is radio-controlled from the Citizens Booth. Any citizen has access to the Booth, for the purpose of expressing his disapproval of the government." Melith sighed. "This will go down as a permanent black mark against poor Borg's record." "You let the people express their disapproval by blowing up officials?" Goodman croaked, appalled. "It's the only way that means anything," said Melith "Check and balance. Just as the people are in our hands, so we are in the people's hands."

[@millibillionth]

That story and others from Sheckley were so great to read!

[@tylernelson4901]

@Balint Ujvari lol it is satirical fiction. Of course it isn’t realistic

[@joaojeffersoncavalcantiwan812]

Its just a social comentary about plutocrats funding the rise of figureheads to later use them as escape goats to the popular rage.

[@devanman7920]

I thought you were gonna say say Gerion Lannister but then you said Jaime I thought this is a piss take. But its actually such a good theory and breakdown. Great content!

[@aminaa5824]

Although this would be a horrible way for the brienne jaime storyline to go, it’s kind of heartwarming that they would still be close no matter what

[@roddammit5510]

I've watched or listened to pretty much everything you've ever done. That said. This is right there at the top. Such a great video so loaded in detail and explanations. Thank you good sir.

[@AMansWorldPodcast]

I literally been on your channel for hours now. Not too many can hold my attention. Keep them coming.

[@SingingSealRiana]

One very good clue would not only how he interact with pretty marris, but that she is is there in the first place given the relationship Jaime and Brienne have and that marris is a discarded futur of Brienne

[@rogueprince1341]

This was a very good video. I could tell you put a lot of time, work and effort into it and it shows. Not only that but I never once thought about Tatters and Jamie being one and the same but now i totally see it.

[@cruddddddddddddddd]

This was a great video. Nice comparisons. I often wonder if the five-year gap was the right direction to go. GRRM does small little flashbacks throughout his chapters, so I think he could've accomplished the same thing. And five years would make a lot of sense regarding 'Jedi training', especially for Arya's story. Jon's and Bran's might be a little trickier, but he could've pulled it off. I just wonder if it put him in more of a bind not doing the time gap, in regards to finishing the books. I still love what we got, but it's fun to ponder what might have been.

[@shara1979]

Yes forgot about this wild card character. Him, along with Dark Star, Lemore, Howland Reed, Quaithe..... Can't wait to see what twists they bring to the table

[@tomassadil324]

I think it's Maegor Targaryen. i mean to be named prince of Pentos you have to have blood of Valyria in you. Also Tattered Prince speaks in high valyrian. which I don't think even essosi Valyrians do, but I might be wrong. Even their age would give or less (It was said he is 62, Maegor would be 67. Knowing how much incognito Tatters is, why not even lie about his age a bit?). Also the fact he always talks about what kind of rogue he is, I think it truly is the son of Brightflame.

[@nickdentoom1173]

I don't think its Maegor, but i do think Tatters can be related to Aerion Brightflame. Aerion stayed in Lys for a few years. It is possible that he fathered some children while living there. He served with the Second Sons for a time while in exile. I always assumed Tatters was a Targaryen Bastard... so he possibily is the son of one.

[@BearusAurelius]

I never would have put this together, great work!

[@keittykit]

Your narration and this possibility does something to my heart. 🥺 I love this! It's an AU easter egg hidden inside the same story. Brienne and Jaime maintaining their companionship and bringing the Grumpy Big Puppy Sandor 🤌🤌🤌 SOMEBODY WRITE THIS DOWN!!!

[@shara1979]

I think the cloak is like the Iron Throne. Like the thousand swords of Aegons enemies, its the patchwork of bloodstained cloaks of Tatters' enemies. So maybe it was someone else, who was more interest in the throne.

[@shara1979]

I think it's a targ. Jamies never been referred to asor compared to a prince.

[@johnmontag]

Thank you so much for making your first non live-stream video in 6 months! Please go back to making more of these... I love them and I bet everyone else does too!

[@JoeMagician]

Not true, I made the five year gap one and the House of the Dragon casting news videos in December.

[@williamhermann6635]

Tfw you realize the Smiling Knight was the true hero of the story

[@coolieo2222]

I want to point out something. The cook who got his foot cut off and then signed on again sounds eerily similar to Stannis and Davos’s relationship.

[@ceranko]

He was probably the son of the origional Daemon Targaryen.

[@danvocals123]

This is a brilliant video. Instant subscribe and favorite. Thank you, i feel like I knew this but never put the pieces together

[@ericacm]

Splendid! Well done Joe!

[@karimw.9954]

I thought you were going to say he's Jaime's lost uncle

[@frankl3518]

For sure. That's exactly what I thought until he said JAMIE. his uncle Gerrion I believe makes much more sense

[@JoeMagician]

I don't think Gerion makes more sense, but I'm talking about Tatters being an echo of Jaime rather than literally being him. Tatters has been well known as a sellsword since around 270 AC whereas Gerion only went missing in 291 AC. The timeline doesn't work for them being actually the same person.

[@karimw.9954]

@@JoeMagician fair enough.

[@thetalisman963]

I thought Gerion was the shrouded lord

[@123fk]

Heroin saved tyrion didn't he at the river of rhoynar

[@ReeceDee]

But his hand is chopped off before the 5 year gap....that's a fairly big thing people would understand or had George just scrapped the hand thing and kept everything else? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@mjhilps]

Agreed. Jaime's also in his 30's, not 60. Him losing his sword arm has been canon for 25 years now, Dance didn't come out until 2011.

[@nickdentoom1173]

@@mjhilps Yeah and Tatters being Gerion Lannister has also been debunked, since he is only 44 (He is 11 years younger than Kevan, who dies at age 55).

[@marcusanark2541]

The story about the deserters is so brutal and hilarious at the same time!

[@scottspa74]

Oh my god, this trilogy of Jamie, sandor, and brie be, all makes so much sense, total genius, great job!

[@SingingSealRiana]

Yeah, them teaming up in a not so wholesome way simply makes sense

[@zarandrewstra7833]

He hanged the Lannister outlaws along with the rest. “It felt like justice.”

[@mangothegoldie1581]

I thought this was gonna be similar to Tyrion being a time travelling Fetus theory when you first mentioned jaime

[@karimw.9954]

One thing I find particularly strange is the use of wildfire vs wild fire. Wild fire is used to describe the Tragedy at Summerhall but it seems most fans interpret it as wildfire, the substance. IMO the grammatical difference is intentional and has led us to believe Egg caused his own demise when the truth is more likely to be foul play. Can we get a video on this?

[@JoeMagician]

IMO I do think it was his own fault, I put that in my video kzbin.info/www/bejne/aonco32XoNFplcU

[@karimw.9954]

@@JoeMagician I'll have to rewatch. So do you think the use of "wild fire instead of wildfire" was a grammatical error?

[@JoeMagician]

Yeah, think so. Egg tried to use wildfire to hatch the eggs, it got out of control.

[@dawnb2057]

To be fair, someone still recognizes Jaime when Briene was taking him back to King’s Landing

[@davidtatum2634]

I think it's the lannister that disappeared with their house sword

[@laurelsilberman5705]

I can very much see how originally the tattered prince and pretty Meris were meant to be Jamie and Brienne

[@Sabretooth13]

His age makes me think he could be Maegor Targaryen(Son of Aerion Brightflame). But thats really all I have to go on is Maegornwould be in his 60s.

[@Jennifer-di4nl]

Scooby doo style...😂😂😂😂😂

[@kristybriggs]

I gotta get me that calendar another reason to stay til the end

[@For_The_Watch]

Denzo D’han is Tom O’Sevens coming to a theatre near you in spring of 2023

[@JoeMagician]

That was one of those I didn't put into the script, but yeah one of the characters I identified as a BWB member transposed into the Windblown. No video on that though.

[@For_The_Watch]

@@JoeMagician to be fair there’s not a lot there, just the warrior bard thing, I started looking into it trying to figure out who more of the characters were, are you planning on doing anymore in this series?

[@JoeMagician]

@@For_The_Watch Probably not, at least for the Windblown. Caggo, Tatters, and Merris are the three big ones there. Maybe one or two on other places where characters are Five Year Gap versions transposed.

[@For_The_Watch]

@@JoeMagician awesome man, well this is the first I’ve heard of this so I went back and watched the Meris/Caggo videos, great stuff man. I might hit you up with more parallels from the wind blown to the Bwb

[@rysander]

In the Fanfic that I'm writing, Tatters is Prince Maegor (son of Aerion "Brightflame"). Wholly uninterested in returning to Westeros ever. And immensely amused at Young Griff and Viserys.

[@Rougarou99]

I never realized about the reused character tropes, and it makes me wonder who else might have a similar setup. Victarion as the dimwitted warrior begrudgingly following orders in order to marry Daenerys does sound a bit similar to Jorah. Aurane Waters and Salladhor Saan both abandon their oaths to their respective monarchs when the going got tough, and turned pirate. A bit of a stretch, but Alys Karstark as the highborn lady running to the Night’s Watch away from a political marriage does sound like something Shireen might have faced if she were a few years older.

[@matt_9112]

Sallador had alway sbeen a pirate and a sellsail, so no oath broke there. Maybe a contract, but wigh a lack of pay/skyrocketing risks, eh.

[@Eshkanama]

I also think another part of the beef with Jaime and Ned comes from the fact that Ned killed Ser Arthur. His boyhood hero. I’m sure he senses some bullshit with it.

[@matthewc4223]

I have the callander, the art is amazing!

[@minisam1988]

I always thought he may have been a Velaryon just not of driftmark.

[@seanmorris3765]

He could write whatever he chose, henceforth. Whatever he chose . . .

[@JT_Soul]

This was a good one. Great analysis.

[@animelover-nicole231]

Do you know who Danzo sounds like: Mance! The bard and warrior aspacts of him. And the fact that he is decriped as an older man. First I though could that be good old Barry the bold. But Mance fits much better. Lewis Laster sounds like lancel. And Ginger Jack is what edmure could look like after 5 years of impresenment and I could see the freys cutting out part of his tongue.

[@curtiswfranks]

Exciting!

[@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399]

I wonder if alot of the theories of so many characters masquerading under false identities are actually real If so, wulld it fit the story to have so many false identities? Is it to send a message present in the story? Id love an analysis on this, and the many, many theories that fit under this umbrella. Some are obviously likely true, Jon being a targ etc But there's also dany being a dragonseed, roose being a vampire, quaithe being shiera seastar, Lem being Richard Lonmouth, Varys being a blackfure, Bronn being a Reyne or Tarbeck How many of these can be true before it gets ridiculous?

[@FunkBastid]

Jaime warging into Brynden Rivers (in the past)

[@bradwolf07]

I always thought the idea behind The Tattered Prince was that he was the Dread Pirate Roberts of ASOIAF. When yhe last one was ready to move on, h picks his successor and trains them. Then the new Tattered Prince takes up the tatters.

[@dionshaewishum4179]

If he wants Pentos, he’s probably not Westerosi.

[@evelynvongizycki1017]

I’ve only read the books once so I don’t remember everything, but didn’t tatters have two hands?

[@petersmith1343]

Thank you !!! Much enjoyed.

[@DuncleWhaleshark]

Seems like he’d be a great dark souls boss 🤣

[@tatalsaba]

If it hadn't been for the fact that Tyrion had med the Tattered Prince, I'd be open to the idea that he was actually Gerion Lannister, just older, nastier and more cruel, with very little left of Tyrions' jovial and funny uncle Gery.

[@heathenpride7931]

Gerion is the shrouded lord

[@nickdentoom1173]

Tatters is past his sxities... yet... he is younger than Tywin and Kevan (Who is only 55 at the time of his death and he and Gerion are a mere 11 years apart, making Gerion only 44).

[@kimberlyporter9555]

My immediate reaction is Viserys. Viserys if he had not been killed.

[@Pastafari4]

As a Jamie Lannister parallell it does make me wonder that he did truly run from power, or merely desire their own path to power. I mean his ultimatum is to be given Pentos after all

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Why would he be given Pentos

[@ayiza8511]

This could be Barristan. He is after all thrown out of the kings guard and wander essos

[@TheEyeOfTaurusAK]

I think he might be a great grandchild of Daemon Targaryen…

[@karimw.9954]

I dont mean to spam your comment section but have you discussed the themes of hubris, identity and immortality? I can't shake the feeling that there is more behind the sayings "all men must die", "what is dead may never die" and "only death can pay for life". The concepts of resurrection, skin changing, flaying and whatever it is that Faceless Men do seem to point towards man's pursuit of divinity. Is this what caused the long night and the creation of the Others? Is this what Euron is working towards?

[@Luminousreign]

Only death can pay for life is a direct allusion to how the faceless men work. You drink from the fountain, they kill somebody for you. That is the actual huge price the faceless men require for their services and why Littlefinger, who is culturally Braavosi always scoffs at using them and brings up the price. It isnt something you can pay for with coin. That is why the first gift was given to a slave and then they moved on to the masters. The reason this will remain subtext and not overt is because it would reveal too much about the nature of magic. What they are doing is a weird cross between warging and re-animation. That also explains why they are directly connected to the religion of the moonsingers which is clearly a religion dedicated/based around some variant of the Children of the forest.

[@karimw.9954]

@@Luminousreign thank you for this reply. To me, "all men must die, all men must serve" reflects the practice of drinking from the fountain a bit closer. My interpretation is that the Faceless Men perform assisted suicides/mercy killing and those that give their lives to the Many Faced God enter a 2nd life of servitude in the sense that their face and image are used by the Faceless Men to carry out their assassinations.

[@Luminousreign]

@@karimw.9954 If you think back to the slaves and what they did, there is a direct parallel to the assisted suicides and mercy killings they do. They mercy killed the slaves to kill the masters. Go back to the kindly man's story about the topic and you will realize this is the ethos he is trying to convey. Or think back to Arya saving three lives so she gets three deaths. It is one of the most heavily implied things about how the faceless men work. Also, it is a lot to type out but the bodies in the Arya chapters that she sees before her assignments are related to the assignments themselves. This equivalent exchange murder concept is their ethos, and a balance they dont magically stop observing in their temple.

[@Luminousreign]

@@karimw.9954 I do think you are correct that they are collecting faces from the process as well, but I dont think they are using them to do the killings their deaths payed for. I think they just collect faces and memories regardless for religious reasons. This is also directly parallel to the children and how they seem to connect to the trees before death to add their conciousness and memories to the collective in the trees.

[@karimw.9954]

@@Luminousreign great analysis. I'm excited to see how this plays out in the upcoming books.

[@SeptaShaenasSapphires]

Love it and totally buy it. Thanks. Though the scoff about Jaime’s parentage was uncalled for 😜 for surely he is as much Aerys’ as Cersei is Tywin’s. In any case, any brief thoughts on how the five year gapped affected the Edric Dayne story?

[@Jonesnaltitude]

Outstanding work

[@dannyburns9850]

I thought the same thing! Hardly wait to see out come. I hope great minds think alike !

[@bobbehwitchie]

I very much enjoy this series of videos.

[@SingingSealRiana]

I tend to be drawen to write similar characters again and again so I just started to go with it, seeing them as alternative universe Versionsnummer of one another, put into different worlds and circumstances, meeting some of the same people, but developing their relationships differently . . . It makes writeing them very interessting. I have a couple which is somewhat ment to be in almost every story one of them fetures, but if I recall it right, they never do cause of things that happened before they could. He has a bad case of an for the greater good mentality, which tends to place them opposing over time . . . I realy enjoy defining their difference and how those where carved out by what they lived through.

[@driftsolstice3685]

Constants and variables.

[@johnkappos8421]

Great job. This is awesome.

[@perjulianlundbergtande8956]

Could be Ser Gerion Lannister !

[@thallus23]

I was thinking Tywin Lannister. Jamie was a good soldier, but not cold and ruthless like his father ✌️

[@ile.spirkoski]

18:36 Jaime squired for Lord Sumner Crakehall, but was knighted by Arthur Dayne. 🗡🧎😃

[@oldnewdude9095]

A Prince you say, a King's son🤔

[@Pastafari4]

I will say GoT Jamie failes utterly, giving all his progress up for Cersei. That said i retrospect of course

[@cherylbaxter8986]

Jaime Lannester isn't a Prince, so plz explain

[@TiTaN28ALLISON]

Nah I can’t get behind this theory. There’s no way. People say the Tattered Prince is well past sixty. And I’m pretty sure he has 2 hands?

[@JoeMagician]

I don't think you understood what I was saying, he's not literally Jaime

[@fitzchivalrysnow9560]

I really like this,it makes so much sense now you say it 🍻

[@elisebrodeur-jacobs5215]

I 💘 JOE

[@itaipee]

So the 5 year gap would age Jamie by 25 years ? Kenobi aged 40 years during within 15 years , so why not

[@itaipee]

Nevertheless nice video

[@JoeMagician]

It's not literally the same Jaime from the end of ASOS. It's like him from different timeline. A future that never was. George has written about this in some of his fiction like the Twilight Zone episode The Road Less Traveled where the main character meet his doppleganger from a life where he went to Vietnam.

[@lorddarthkairos01]

He can't be Ser Barristan, he is already with Daenerys, maybe a bastard or a Valyrian descendant. Part of the Blackfyre

[@bclr6843]

I always thought the tat prince was Tyrion’s long lost uncle

[@nickdentoom1173]

Age doesn't line up though. Tywin is 57/58 when he dies. Kevan is 55. Gerion and Kevans age difference is 11 years, since Gerion is only 44 if he is still alive at the time of Kevans death.

[@bclr6843]

@@nickdentoom1173 ya but people who survive battles and hard living could look older. Maybe I’m wrong but just the idea of Tyrion’s long lost uncle just made sense to me

[@maxzimmer5808]

I dont remember the tattered prince missing a hand tho

[@JoeMagician]

Brienne didn't actually get her breasts cut off like Merris. It's not a 1 to 1 on every trait.

[@alsharpe7213]

That was amazing!!

[@cherylbaxter8986]

This sounds nothing like Jaime Lannester, not from Pentos or a Prince

[@spectatorion5775]

Just me or does Joe sound like Mordecai (the blue bird)? 🤔🤔🤔

[@matejplecko9025]

WHAT ABAUT GERRIS?!IS IT? THE UNCLE OF JAIME AND TYRION

[@matejplecko9025]

GERION YES, NOT GERRIS

[@TOMSMITHLAD]

I forget the guys name but could he not be the Lannister explorer relative rather than Jaime?

[@greaterFool3765]

Ok. But who is the tattered prince? The part about his cloak suggest he isn't who he claims to be. Why keep this line, if the Jaime-Prince idea is already abandoned?

[@tatteredprince2097]

Well I'll be damned.

[@ayiza8511]

Really glad Martin did not go whit Jamie in the throne, because that would have been a vastly different world than Westeros considering Jamie is not even in the line of succession hell Cersie it not I’m even in the line of succession she just took the throne and D&D did not bother showing realistic reactions. After all if Jamie took the throne then the throne is meaningless and up for grabs for anyone. Hell Robert say on that throne whit a tenuous blood claim to the Targaryens Rhaelle was it

[@austinstewart1413]

1:01 tell me that is not George Lucas in the middle

[@JoeMagician]

Honestly I don't know haha. I just look up a video for a scooby doo villain being unmasked.

[@austinstewart1413]

@@JoeMagician lol well anyway great video! I love your channel

[@SerialChiller1000]

Spotted Tom the Butcher?

[@JoeMagician]

Damn how'd you know?

[@SerialChiller1000]

@JoeMagician I don't. I read a reddit post about it. I am not sure, like I am other things like Arthur Dayne being alive.

[@jeffreycahill3995]

He's obviously Rheagar everyone. Duh... 😆

[@tylermcalpine6550]

There is social media in Westeros… weirwood network lol

[@blaketolley1367]

Wouldn't it fit both timeline wise and canonically that it's Garlan Lannister?

[@josephpotter7776]

Dope

[@valerionfishscales.2262]

Tatters = Bobby B

[@allenm.355]

The tatered prince is Jamies uncle not him smh

[@allenm.355]

Tywins little brother

[@nickdentoom1173]

Impossible, since Tywin is only 58 when he dies. Gerion is only 44 at the time of Kevans death, since they are 11 years apart.

[@allenm.355]

@@nickdentoom1173 Tywin was 67 at time of death from bolt to belly on the privy

[@nickdentoom1173]

@@allenm.355 Ummm nope he wasn't (And even if he was, Kevan was still the problem, since he is the second son... he is 2 years apart from Tywin, the third child, daughter Genna, is a year younger than Kevan (So she would be 64. However, there is a five years age gap between Genna and Tygett (Which would make Tygett 59) and then yet again, there is a 5 year age gap between Tygett and Gerion, making Gerion 54). In reality, he is 44 years though, you have your ages mixed up... Gerion is born in 255 AC, while Jaime is born in 266 AC (Which would mean Jaime is in his mid forties if Gerion is in his fifties, but thats impossible, since Catelyn was born in 264/266 anddied in 299, which makes her 35 at time of death. Soo... as you see, the timeline for Tatters to be Gerion Lannister doesn't add up, since Tatters is at least 16 years older than Gerion.

[@the.evilducky]

IDK about anyone else but I play the MMO destiny 2 and now I am lowkey wondering if saint-14 with the whole grey pigion and tying bits of cloth on to his armor came before or after tatters was presented in the book. Well I have my weekend rabbit hole to go down 🤣

[@iceleafofalba]

💓🔥💓

[@spartanheart6948]

He's a blackfyre

[@tykehotep2865]

Glad I never bothered with this dross Martin is a bit of a tool in my opinion, Anyone who adds an extra initial by changing his name to sound more like the Master J.R.R. Tolkien as to be a bit of a clown

[@vikashv1]

Spoiler: The Tattered Prince is Moonboy. Sorry to ruin the surprise, Joe.

[@JoeMagician]

Oh darn

[@cheangizzz]

Can't believe Cersei fucked Tattered Prince.

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

For all I know...

[@whirlwinds1499]

My bets were on patch face, oh well

[@stfnknbb]

Cersei is banging the tattered prince?

[@blackandredbrian3515]

Another well done video! I am always impressed by your knowledge and the way you are able to figure things out. I believe you are absolutely correct! Off topic, I noticed one quote in your video “Oswell Whent with his BLACK humor...”. This is another clue to the theory that Oswell “took the black” and is indeed Qhorin Halfhand. Reread the Halfhand’s physical description in the books...everything about him is grey. Well if you took The White and later on took the Black of course GRRM would describe him as grey. And then there is the mention that Lady Whent is a friend of the watch, by Yorin. And most of all telling is at TOJ Whent is sharpening his sword. I don’t believe it is a coincidence that some of his last words to Jon are Is your sword sharp? And a few pages before the Halfhand looks at his sword and feels the edge with his finger...to see if it is sharp.

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

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