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[@TheLux008]

I think giants in the earth are just their way of referring to seismic activity. When there's an earthquake it really does feel like giants below you are moving around, waking up.

[@asharadaynedragonblood1803]

TheLux008 ...and Dragons in the sky are meteor showers. The Doom was a meteor impact, the Long Night followed, as the sky turned dark of smoke and blocked the sun. The atmosphere cooled and winter came.

[@23uncbball]

I always liked the theory their was a second Moon and it blocked out the sun before it was destroyed. The lack of the second Moon could be why the seasons got screwed. Maybe we should call pain from Naruto to fix it using plantery devastation lol

[@post-leftluddite]

The doom of valyria happened long after the long night, many thousands of years after....in fact, the Valyrian freehold didn't even exist when the Long Night occurred

[@asharadaynedragonblood1803]

@@post-leftluddite I was referring to the Long Night 1.0, not the Doom of Valyria. I think we can state it fact that dragons existed long before Valyria even existed. So my guess is: dragons were around in the Dawn Age when LN1.0 happened. Perhaps the "falling star" was a dragon?! Maybe, maybe it was a fallen star literally.

[@k-la-k6828]

Sounds like Attack on Titan

[@TomDean3004]

The Others would be ice giants from the Children of the Forest’s point of view

[@FirCorred]

Tom Dean - ok, that's got me thinking. Song is about different viewpoints/perspectives, right? Anyway, why does no one ever mention the Heart of Winter? It's not a question of why the Others came back, they've been around all along, if we believe the Free Folk... Question is, what makes them step forward now? In Bran's flying dream, he sees the reason why he must live and change, waiting at the Heart of Winter, beyond the aurea borealis of the Ice+FireWorld. Description sounds-to me-like it's the northern pole, the strongest force there would be magnetism... Hell, I'm sorry, was just thinking out loud. That's what you get for making me think (:

[@silentgunshotgonzalez7551]

Children of the forest : THE WAR IS WON !!!! PRAISE THE OLD GODS !!! First men : Hold my beer .....

[@gilbertoignacioaguirrevarg4550]

Actually, the old gods became old when westeros adopted the seven, si technicaly, it's just the gods...

[@jasonhowell7601]

I hope the books to come do the others/white walkers more justice than that sorry excuse of a finale season, on the show we learned next to nothing, I am sure GRRM will do much, much, better, if he ever finishes the books of course. Thanks for your insightful take on this from the books, keep up the good work.

[@leonthecool123]

George RR Martin probably watch this channel and thinks” well they figured out everything, I don’t need to release anymore books

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hahaha...I'd settle for learning he's heard of us

[@undarkwin]

them and freaking Preston!😂😂😂 They enterteined us while GRRM hasn't published books but at the same time they are the very reason GRRM no longer writes, lol Sounds like something GRRM would do/write

[@sophiawilson8696]

LOL

[@cbob213]

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[@johnathankinne3998]

Even the hammer of the waters would be an effect of seismic activity. An earthquake under the fourteen flames would easily result in the Doom. "Giants in the earth". This is why I love this channel. I think the "horn of Joramun " was actually a ritual, with a name that when interpreted literal, leads one to think this was an actual horn, and maybe blowing a horn is part of the ritual. Waking the Others as a result makes so much sense as well.

[@kianaingram657]

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[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

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[@Jockeylotforfun]

There definitely seems to be an undercurrent within the story of "elementals", Fire, Ice, Water, Forests, Sky or stars, and possibly more, being the old Gods "beyond counting". I'd love to know where Grrm is taking us. Come on Winds of winter! Great job Love QOT.🌹 😊

[@jhherkert]

"The Ice Dragon" = The Others, "The Shadow Cat" = Lion of Night, "The Moonmaid" = Maiden Made of Light, and "The Sword of the Morning" = The First King

[@gabriellaminerva1]

Yaaassss!!!!!! I have been itching for you guys to drop another video. How awesome is it that you mentioned King Hoare and his link to black blood. IIRC, one of the Maesters (cant remember who) mentioned the Hoare line descended from the Andals which created a line of black haired, black eyed and black hearted kings. Which immediately makes me think of Euron and his black hair and one great black eye, and how spooky is it that he has a underling named Harran Half-Hoare. I think Euron is Harren the Black come again with his slave blood sacrifices, only his version of Harrenhall is the Silence on the Sea. I'll be re-watching this video until the next one drops. Awesome job Greenhand!! Love you guys!!

[@shavedata5436]

I don't really see the connection between the doom and the breaking, and the relevance to Bran's dream. The one word you're hinging on to make it work is the mention of "blood" in Bran's dream and the doom passage, where in the doom it was "the blood of demons", as in fiery volcanic meteors, while in Bran's dream it was "thick black [faceless] blood" which could be connected to Qyburn and Gregor/Robert Strong or Faceless Men, but not Valyria. That doesn't mean the Faceless men didn't cause the doom, but I question it's connection to the breaking.

[@brandonjeffi5976]

Did you watch the video? They outline several other similarities before mentioning the blood

[@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195]

@@brandonjeffi5976 They are not saying that they don't see the connection between the doom and the h.o.w., but the connection with those two AND Bran's dream. The all three, not just the two.

[@itsnotatoober]

Yes

[@ReignofIndepence]

I am so enthralled with the way you guys pointed out just how good a fighter Mance is whilst being glammared as The Lord of Bones. Mance has not once been renowned as such a skilled warrior once until he easily beat a battle hardened Lord Snow

[@booknerdlover3675]

After a long, hot day at a job with no air conditioning, it's soooo nice to come home and see a new video! Let's do this!!!

[@alanl.4252]

This is a little off topic, but when watching your dorne and aegon videos it crossed my mind that the stories of Aegon and Nymeria are strikingly similar to one another. Both figures go and conquer divided kingdoms after the destruction of their homeland and create their own unified kingdoms out of the chaos. Aegon witnesses the destruction of the Freehold during the Doom, Nymeria witnesses the destruction of the Rhoynar at the hands of the dragon lords. Aegon went on to unify a divided Westeros while we see Nymeria unify a divided Dorne. Just thought it was a neat coincidence is all.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

Francis Ivan Xavier7vs13 it’s sad that their raves could never get along they could’ve counqured the world I also feel like the wrong people were born at the wrong time if she had been born then they might have gotten along since polygamy is a thing in their society

[@mvalthegamer2450]

Well, Aegon was born almost a hundred years after the doom

[@SuperClassics101]

Love your videos! My favorite one is still the one dissing the whole Rheagar and Lyanna thing. I was laughing hysterically throughout the whole thing.

[@MsCastle1996]

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MsCastle Preston Jacobs eats these theories for breakfast then pulls a Tywin and shits them out gold.

[@genesismarcum1395]

You’re back! Love your vids. Hope all is better with you and yours!

[@kwgrid]

Old Valyria sounds like Atlantis.

[@obsidian00]

Another great vid...you two seem to be the only ones giving some real thought to this masterpiece!

[@alienazed]

FINALLY! i was doing a marathon your vids again and again this week!

[@brawleyk4530]

Was starting to think the others took you! Looking forward to quality production as usual!

[@bigbucketbrucey2479]

Thanks guys for the great vids, always times up with work here in Aus so make the day better

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I'm new to the channel, but I'm super impressed by the level of detail in the videos I've seen so far.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

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[@treehouse318]

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[@gokbay3057]

Why can't the stone giant be Gregor? "A giant made of stone". Half (or a third) of the Titan is made of copper (iirc) and Gregor Clegane is the mountain that rides. And mountains are made of stone. It makes sense in the context of the scene with Bran talking about the King's party, Sandor ("with the face of a hound") and Jaime ("golden and beautiful" just as Bran describes him in his dreams of being pushed from the tower "things I do for love"). Also about the "black blood of demons" it could be tar or something a volcanic matter.

[@ShadeStormXD]

this is how i read it as well, just fits too perfectly rather than the titan which requires a lot more argument, guesswork and stretching

[@jadendred5448]

Ahh that ending. So good! Speaking of a massive tidal wave in one of the Victorian chapters when he is waiting for the lost iron fleet ships in the island of monkeys and stocking on pork it mentions that when the doom happened a massive wave broke all the trees when it passed so that pretty much confirms there was a tsunami in one thus both of those instances. Perhaps a linear/ circular path from the Valeria to that island would yield interesting observations on how truly devastating the doom was. What I'm most interested is if the wave reached that island did it reach Dorne? And is there a subtle mention of it? Might explain those caves...

[@AWW8472]

If the same kind of magic that destroyed Valyria was used on the Arm of Dorne long before the Doom, I think it wasn't the Children of the Forest who broke the Arm. I think the First Men did it. If they were fleeing from the evils brought on by the Blood Betrayal they might want the added protection of the Narrow Sea, which would include the deities known to live there.The Lion of Night and his demons would have to contend with the Mother Royne and her children before they made theIr way to the Stepstones after crossing the Bones, if they were so inclined. I mean why would the Lion of Night stop at the Great Empire of the Dawn? Unless something or someone prevented him from spreading his wrath westward toward the Narrow Sea and into Westeros? Also, why do we believe the version of the Breaking recorded by the Maesters in the WOIAF? Perhaps Brandon the Builder went east after building the Wall and helped beat back the forces of the Lion of Night and then built the Five Forts? The legends say the Last Hero treated with the Children of the Forest, but that could have happened in Essos with the Ifequevron or Wood-walkers.

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[@tracywhitlock5395]

Great video as always guys!!! It must take forever to make, record and edit these videos...your time and energy is much appreciated!!

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I needed this. Thank you so much for your hard work.

[@scottmerryman]

YES. Thank you again m'lord and m'lady!!!!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you for your patience

[@scottmerryman]

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[@SofiaBorbolet]

You seem to have cold I hope you feel better soon. Really like your videos. Thank you

[@morellanaghenz778]

As always, amazing work! This theory is way better than the show version of children of the forest stabbing one guy to make the “night king” and that is it. There’s similarities between the two ideas, but yours is much more developed

[@ReignofIndepence]

Love your videos. I'm hooked. Love the Arthur Dayne theory too.

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Just found you guys randomly and so happy I did! Great video, I subscribed and looking forward to more 😃

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you so much

[@Maibuwolf]

They are one of the few GoT related channels on youtube that are not just vomiting out the most popular reddit theories to try and get views. It is quite refreshing. Even if all of their theories end up being wrong i still find it more enjoyable than listening to a video about some shit i have already heard 1000 times.

[@justchris1155]

You guys are still rocking the theories, absolutely eye opening. Hbo should hire you as researchers.

[@gavomorg2948]

Brilliant as always guys

[@Cronoo]

Why you do that? Get me hooked on the cliff hanger, and make me wait. MOAR! haha

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Thank god they're back! more videos plz

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Been waiting for this all week!

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[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thank you

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[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

Thanks. I just got over the flu so I’m glad it wasn’t too noticeable

[@thisguy8106]

I've been holding my breath waiting for this video!.. So now I'm watching through the weirwood net. Lol

[@davewdriscoll]

The Breaking of The Doom down! Nice work..

[@jennyr4057]

great video! subscribed!

[@cmschmidt]

I find the Iron Born and the Drowned God fascinating and I can’t wait for those videos. This is a really interesting theory. The greatest threat to the living was sort of an oopsie side effect of some hard core magic. Really reinforces the fact that all magic has a price that is paid by the ones wielding it.

[@scottie16976]

Great video. Looking forward to the Ironborn video. Noticed you tacked on a pic of Harwyn Hoare near the end. In Brans falling vision when he sees the giant armored in stone with black blood. The "armored in stone" part always made me think of the Titan of Braavos. But the black blood makes me think of House Hoare. Harren and his sons in Harrenhall, the black blood of House Hoare, was armored in stone. There is a line in the world book when Aegon and Harren the Black parley outside Harrenhal," Yield now," Aegon began, "and you may remain as Lord of the Iron Islands. Yield now, and your sons will live to rule after you. I have eight thousand men outside your walls." "What is outside my walls is of no concern to me," said Harren. "Those walls are strong and thick." "But not so high as to keep out dragons. Dragons fly." "I built in stone," said Harren. "Stone does not burn." To which Aegon said, "When the sun sets, your line shall end." Is this giant some descendant? I know Harren's brother was Lord commander at the Wall at that time. The building and destruction of Harrenhal (to me anyway) is like a mini doom of Valyria. thousands of captives/slaves died to build a great monument to a proud King These captives/slaves must have prayed for death like the slaves in the Valyrian mines. The Children must have been angered by the destruction of the weirwods to make the rafters and beams, and all this on the shores of the Gods Eye in full view of the isle of Faces. Could the CotF have somehow influenced Aegon to come to Westeros to bring an end to this?

[@ShadeStormXD]

tbh i read it as bran seeing the hound, jamie and lastly the undead mountain, since his head was sent to appease dorne. so when he lifts his visor theres nothing underneath, other than whatever bile and blood qyburns experiments left behind

[@scottie16976]

@@ShadeStormXD Hope you're having a merry christmas. The scene reads like it's the Mountain(I agree) and it probably is but this was a Greenhand vid so your always looking for that alternative explanation. The thing about this scene (IMO)is that everything that Bran sees is happening at that moment(more or less). It doesn't read like a prediction of the future. The 'storm' ahead of Cat and ser Rodrick could be the drama they're heading into in Kings Landing but in the next Cat chapter she recalls a storm they hit off Dragonstone. In my own personal head canon(at the moment lol) the stone giant is Littlefinger (Titan of Braavos Baelish sigil). Who knows? It could just be as simple as you say and it's the Mountain.

[@thisguy8106]

So good. So damn good. Thank y'all!

[@MrScottie301]

You two need to stop making me rethink things every time I watch your video!! Great stuff

[@deserttortoise6077]

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[@molly-zx9cr]

Blood and corpses were also described as black in Old Norse texts. It’s usually referring to it being dark and related to death and not so much their actual color

[@madambutterfly1997]

The theories claim that Bran's birth awoke them in the current story. Even though they were active long before even Rickard Stark was born

[@radude83]

Jggh

[@ChuckECheeez]

Awoke when Varys was cut

[@itaipee]

Great video. Can't wait to your podcast with PJ..

[@jimboy3625]

I think the tidal wave associated with Jorumans Horn taking the wall down would be the wall itself, it's a giant frozen wave that would crash down. Great video as always!

[@OscyJack-]

Great video as always, interested to see how this topic will shake up. I personally think that Giants of the Earth is more referring to a deity class (drowned god, , the great other, the guy hanging out in the caves in essos where no one goes and comes back, some fiery version. A class like tolkiens maiar/ainur. Ice/fire>water/earth>valyrians/children>men. I think that the children are able to call upon the Giants of the Earth in relation to the event of doom that occurs. IE, call upon the drowned god for the hammer of water, what fire giant there is for the doom of valyria. Call upon the giant of ice to create the others. A race perhaps that predates the children /valyrians that may be embodiments of ice/fire or still below the two main balancing forces. Sorry if that's abstract, keep up the good work

[@skylersd]

Whenever the Others appear, they always seem to come during great times of turmoil, when Westeros is least prepared and already at war. The first time being the war with the First Men against the Children of The Forest and the Giants. Now, with the War of the Five Kings along with Daenerys' invasion, which seems to correspond with the First Men's invasion.

[@paulkuch420]

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[@kahlbutomacfarland]

Great video again. Always love the production quality. I do have a question, because I look at the Others and Long Night from an angle I don’t see among theorists and I wonder if I’m just an idiot or perhaps it’s too simplistic. I see the whole thing as an anthropomorphism of the seasons. You guys touch on this with the Valrians representing summer and the Others representing winter. The Others are quite literal with “The enemy doesn’t bring the storm, he is the storm” and countless other quotes towards that. I imagine you guys will touch on that some more. But if that’s the case and it is just an analogy (in the extreme) of the seasons, the Long Nights are coming no matter what and not as a result of man interference. It would seem to simply be caused by the planet’s obviously extreme elliptical orbit and the comet has a similar orbit and happens to pass the planet (I hesitate to use “Planetos”) around the time of the season change. Also, the seasonal change happens to intensify the power of magic. So if anything woke The Others from their seasonally opposite hibernation, I suppose it would be the comet signaling season change. This would fit to me as an extreme orbit would account for the apeshit seasons and would make sense for the people to not realize it yet because the LN’s are separated by 8,000 years or more and they only have a rough account of the last one. So they certainly wouldn’t have an account of the LN’s prior to that, so they wouldn’t have enough info to catch the pattern yet. On a deeper philosophical note, if this is the case (in one form or another), then it could easily be argued that the characters in this world (especially the principals like the Others/God of Death, Valarians/Rhilor etc) don’t actually posses free will. They are predetermined to perpetuate this cycle over and over. Ultimately the Others will reign during LN/winter, and the opposite will reign during summer. It would be like if us on earth had to actually fight a physical enemy to bring the next spring.

[@MrFirextinguisher]

Let’s do this! Hope you guys add having a great summer, when’s the royal wedding?

[@Mantorch]

Can't wait to see what you'll amaze us with this time!

[@LaurensCorner]

As always, well worth the wait. Green Hand for eternity

[@lady_wasser]

Great job, Amazing video, can’t wait for the ironborn. Can’t even imagine how many hours took you guys to make the research and the video! Thank you 🙏🏽

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you...it takes more time than I'd care to admit

[@lady_wasser]

The Order of the Green Hand and that’s why the results are always a master piece!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you so much...we just love the challenge of trying to figure out what the heck is going on in this masterpiece of a series

[@redcd3743]

i like the part with the faceless men's meddling (they're always involved when sh*t goes down), and the inference about the giant in Bran's dream being Littlefinger and not the mountain (#refreshing), but on the rest i failed to see the innovation (which is what i usually expect from your theories)... there are so many more factors to keep in mind: the andals, the pact(s), the previous long night(s) and its (their?) resolution(s), dragons in westeros, plus the fact that the doom was several hundreds of years past current events. And to add to the tinfoil: the night's king, the starks in winterfel, the sacrifices (tie queen Allysane), Craster sacrificing his boys for some decades, the "meeting" during Dany's wedding, the magic awakening and so on...

[@jjvoity7797]

Have you read "The Ice Dragon" by GRRM? It pre-dates anything written about SoIaF, and the battling kingdoms in it cannot be placed. You have to uncomfortably shoehorn the setting in. But there are huge, huge, huge similarities that really jump out at you such that it looks very much like a proto-Westeros, I won't spoil the story for you and any other reader except one little facet. Anyway, my point, during winter, the Ice Dragon appears and it is much bigger than any dragon the King's riders' have. But the Ice Dragon only comes in Winter. Here's the spoiler part: the enemy kingdom's dragons are winning the war and come to the girl's village, the Ice Dragon she is connected to comes to save her. But this occurs in the middle of summer, until then, she's never seen him in summer. It's clearly only come to save her as it senses that she is in extreme danger. The Ice dragon in summer is still quite strong and powerful to be sure but is much smaller, less grand, is constantly melting, and is far, far weaker than it is in winter.

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Finally the ironborn!!!

[@TurinInquisitor]

TO SHOW YOU THE POWER OF FLEX TAPE I CRACKED THIS HORN IN HALF. gl sounding it Sam!

[@brucewaite3733]

Ok....that awesome. You've made understanding these singular events, comprehensive,and connecting the two (the doom and the breaking) seamless. So can i assume that you guys are saving the breaking of the neck for later??? and food for thought...moat cailin gets its great defensive advantage from the events of the hammer of the waters....so who was moat cailin originally meant to defend against? in each breaking, i always get the feeling the children aren't keeping men out, but keeping them in.

[@lucasluu1919]

hey there, fã from brasil here... got really exited just reading the tittle, awesome topic. Just wanna say that i loved to see about the podcast you guys are going to do with Preston Jacobs, really good news for me, could not be a better assemble, cant wait to hear it. Best wishes from brasil

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

thank you ser

[@pwnzer33]

The Order of the Green Hand Is this for real? Im a huge PJ fan but i think you two are the ones right his errors.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

this is for real...we're going to start doing podcasts with him and Carmine in the next few weeks...it should be interesting...and fun

[@undarkwin]

The Order of the Green Hand tbh, you amd Preston will be interesting and well, oh well, Carmine might be funny, at times lol

[@undarkwin]

The Order of the Green Hand tbh, you and Preston will be interesting and well, oh well, Carmine might be funny, at times lol

[@tylerbarrett6652]

You know... considering the yin/yang thing, I have to wonder if there might be some pendulum effect going on here. The idea is to try to achieve a balance... but when the pendulum swings too far into darkness, it's swing back to the light is inevitable... isn't it? The farther it swings into darkness, the farther that pendulum is going to swing back into the light. So... perhaps we could consider that the Hammer of the Waters was a swing one way... and the doom of Valeria was a swing back the other way - though one's cause was frozen fire and the other fire... with the goal being a natural balance. I mean... it's hard for me to put the children on one side and the realm of men on another - because they are both living realms, and we are led to believe that this ultimate battle is between life and death. It's just confusing to try to keep everything straight, but I'm pretty sure we are looking for the Goldy Locks world... not too much magic, not too little.... not too much light, not too much darkness... not too much fire, not too much ice... The answer is to balance chaos and order... not for one to dominate the other... isn't it?

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Kvothe I'd also recommend Preston Jacobs

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Sorry for the wait. And thank you so much. m’lady’s mother is making tremendous progress

[@scottmerryman]

Glad to hear she's faring well!

[@Jockeylotforfun]

The Order of the Green Hand I'm delighted to hear that she's making progress. It's a difficult journey for the patient and family. I'll keep all of you in my prayers, love QOT.🌹

[@johndaly5268]

Glad to hear she's doing better. Your iron born videos are going to be epic! That section of TWOIAF was one of the most interesting parts in my opinion

[@serbowdster2311]

Lovin this vid guys.

[@serlawrenceharlem6715]

I needed some clarity.

[@malmorbidus2788]

maybe the old gods are similar to those native american lore, where they are literally part of the flora and fauna, the earth. and so clearing it all away in the name of some gods from another place woke up an ancient power within it all. it's protecting itself.

[@michelerowell3467]

Love the quote as well. I've always thought that was a huge foreshadowed element in the saga.

[@TonyTheProphecy]

I'm late... but i'm here let's do this 🤓👂

[@kylelouer4323]

Love the video. I just see the giant made of stone as a mountain, the Mountain. Looking over the Hound and Arya as they need to kill him together

[@bobbyritchie8031]

Super excited for your iron borne series!

[@nickgreen9080]

They woke to stop catelyn

[@HebrewsElevenTwentyFive]

Brilliant 😂

[@darylchurch2115]

The Stoneheart must be stopped! ÒwÓ

[@protoncoccus3229]

I love your theory videos ❤️💓

[@NegativePleasure]

Is it wrong that I mostly use your videos to help me sleep? You two have really good narrative voices.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

not at all...I guess we'd probably prefer that you were awake when you watched them, but we're in no position to be choosy...it still seems almost surreal that people actually click on our videos

[@bbunnyscribe]

This is why I am so excited for Fire & Blood to come out because I honestly feel like there is information contained within that is pertinent to the main series. We all know George's world has gotten so expansive that he probably needed to take a step back and write more history just to fill in gaps that he wouldn't sufficiently be able to do within the last two books. It's short-sighted of people to get angry about Fire & Blood coming out before TWOW, imo.

[@pallerdog]

Using my geologic comprehension: the giants caused a MASSIVE claw impact UNDERNEATH the crust of the planet causing the claw-shaped set of islands where the land bridge once was. The planet is just one large dragon egg. Except a claw of a dragon to dwarf the size of the wall when it returns to set the planet back on course.

[@subarnosinha8042]

Absolutely mind blowing! But the Titan of the Braavos has a face too, with fiery eyes, I think. I maybe wrong.

[@benagaran20]

The Others were woken by Hot Pie discovering the secret of browning the butter first. It smelled damn good and now they are heading to the Inn at the crossroads to get themselves some pies.

[@pankratos5017]

This would certainly be the story's plot if it had been written by Terry Pratchett!

[@Altorin]

I got an advert that used your theme song. It was pretty meta

[@princeprocrastinate6485]

I always thought the reference to giants waking in the Earth was a metaphor for earthquakes, that the Hammer of the Waters and the Horn of Joruman could cause massive amounts of seismic activity through some magical process. It's also worth noting that in the real world seismic activity does have a knock-on effect with volcanoes and can lead to eruptions. Interesting theories as always, great stuff.

[@PBRStreetgang]

Been looking forward to this! : ) The Others are a key aspect of the Old Powers, and we know so little. I have also come to terms with the fact that the Breaking and the Doom were the same event, seen from different accounts and perspectives. Also, isn't it strange how often we are drawn back to Bran III, more than any other chapter in the entire series?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That falling dream is loaded with information

[@PBRStreetgang]

It is truly amazing how George wrote that chapter, so early with so much information. He says he doesn't like writing when he knows where the story is going, but the layers of mystery and foreshadowing in the first novel are too impressive to believe that.

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

Glad to here that your mother's doing better also I just wanted to let you know that their is another group of gaints in the east called Jhogwin is the Dothraki name[1] for the stone giants that once inhabited the Realm of the Jhogwin, the northernmost region of the snowcapped Krazaaj Zasqa in northern Essos. They were massive creatures, said to have been twice as large as the giants of Westeros.[2]

[@dratheart]

PS- Guys, I believe some of the German Nazis spoke of "the giants" that would join them in The Reich but to them "the giants" merely represented "the supermen", giants of power and "purity of blood" I believe - it doesn't actually mean giants as creatures of incredible size but incredible power instead. How can we be sure that GRRM didn't mean "giants" in that usage rather than the common parlance?

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

That’s very close to where I was originally going with it until we remembered the legend of the ice giants

[@adamantiiispencespence4012]

Not necessarily Frederick the Great of Prussia was obsessed with the idea of having an army of giants. And to some extent he got one he had an entire regiment of the vertically. The shortest man in that regiment was 6'7 or 6'8.

[@scottofgreywaterwatch1298]

Excellent video! I can tell you put in a lot of work! I've always thought the horn of joramun was meant to wake the dead stark kings, but I'm not as sure now. I do think the horn of winter is important though. As far the hammer and the Doom I'm with LML'S moon meteor theory. The time line is jacked, but great work peeps.

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

how does a moon meteor cause the Others to start moving south?

[@scottofgreywaterwatch1298]

The Order of the Green Hand Well I didn't say moon meteors caused the Others to go south. Just the cause of the Doom and the hammer of the waters. Again great video! You're editing is top notch! I can't wait for pt2!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hmm...so the Doom and the breaking were caused a moon meteor showers? that's an interesting idea...the descriptions seem more like massive earthquakes followed by tidal waves but I can't say that's impossible...only George knows

[@scottofgreywaterwatch1298]

The Order of the Green Hand you're correct sir. I'm hoping Fire and Blood will tell more about the Doom. Anyways I thoroughly enjoyed the video. Have a good night

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

same to you

[@mickdundee364]

yay! you're back! pls don't leave me again lol

[@SvenTuSventu]

So Jenny of old stones and the blood of nearly all the royals at summer hall is the REAL reason. I know you didn't say that but you made me think it.

[@anaisabel713]

I can't wait for the ironborn series. This is very interesting. But I have a question, if you guys think the others are woken by this kind of sacrifices, then where do they go once they fulfill the wish? Do they just stay in the land of always winter or they just disappear as some kind of gods that only came to fulfill the wish? And what cataclysm woke them up now at the very start of a game of thrones? Lovely video guys! Loved it! Hugs for you!

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

hey Ana...it seems to me that the Others bring with them an underworld of sorts...a world of darkness and death, where the undead serve them as minions...we think they woke the first time when the Children used the Hammer of the Waters to break the arm of Dorne, and the second time when the Faceless Men used the Hammer of the Waters to break Valyria (the Doom of Valyria)

[@TheOrderoftheGreenhand]

the Hammer of the Waters wakes them...the Doom of Valyria was the second successful execution of the Hammer of the Waters...the same thing woke them both times

[@anaisabel713]

The Order of the Green Hand I would wait for the big ironborn video where you would cover the "others/city". So you think the children summon then again or do they now have their own agenda? I wonder what cataclysm is coming next to round the numbers. Hugs for you!

[@wolfsbanealphas617]

SO what your saying is the ANdals commited genecide on to groups of people the first men and Vaylarians

[@bryantaylor9874]

As usual great work! I don't agree with a few things you theorize, but I won't be shocked if it turns out you are 100% correct. My immediate reaction is that you overlooked the multiple instances of Sworn Brothers of the Nights Watch declaring that they are "black of blood" which cannot be coincidence. I know Bloodraven says it to Bran, and off the top of my head I believe Yoren says it to Ned after racing to KL with the news of Tyrions arrest, and I'd bet it's said elsewhere multiple times. Haven't had time to let it digest completely, but it sure has the feel of a once religious catechism that over the centuries has lost it's true meaning, yet is so ingrained in the mythos of Sworn Brotherhood, it is still used frequently, even while lacking it's deeper meaning. If I'm right, and you as well, this could be the first hard evidence of NW and WW sharing a history that was not always one of opposition. Could be those Heresy threads got this one right.

[@bartimaeusofuruk9681]

bryantaylor9874 Or the NW wants to set itself apart from the rest of Westeros, especially the noble houses. The NW takes no part, so the members don't say they are of andal, FM, Stark, or whatever houses blood. Instead they say they have black blood, for a sense of unity. That was more important back in the days when most of the NW were knights, but the saying outlived the Targaryens.

[@sophiemoconnell]

Perhaps the night's watch were once undead themselves? That could explain their black blood.

[@bryantaylor9874]

Bartimaeus of Uruk No doubt they say it in modern times to distinguish themselves as a separate entity but it's a peculiar choice of words considering they already have unique titles for themselves such as black brothers, sworn brothers, sword in the darkness etc. What I find most curious is how black of blood doesn't seem to be taught to new recruits, or used frequently at Castle Black, so how is it that so many Brothers use that term to describe themselves. One clue lies in the fact that it seems to be used exclusively by older brothers, all of whom are Rangers, or former Rangers that now command from the highest positions in the NW. This isn't the first time we hear of dark secrets known only to Rangers. Remember that Craster's sacrifices were so secret that even LC Mormont was unaware of it until acting First Ranger Ryker informed him, and in later chapters Jon mentions files of information known only to the LC. In Jon's case the secrets he mentions are about Brothers, not of darker knowledge, but there may be more that Jon has yet to uncover. Considering the unique situation at the Wall; Stannis, Wildlings, the LC not living in the LC's quarters, it's not a stretch to imagine secrets Jon hasn't found yet that he would have by now in normal times. Mormont certainly knew much more about things north of the wall, just reread his talk with Jon the morning after Jon tried to desert, as did the Halfhand, and the rest of veteran Rangers. His message sent to Mormont as they retreated was "tell him the trees have eyes again". The Halfhand expecting Mormont to understand that message proves the LC knows a lot more than we've been told. I'll wrap this up for now, but don't forget that we know for sure the origins of the NW differ greatly from the accepted history. The time line of the War for the Dawn, the creation of the Wall, the founding of the NW, and the exploits of the Nights King, is confusing and contradictory, if the accepted history of these events are true, so it can't be. So many hints and clues surrounding the NW, the Wall, the Rangers, the Others, the Nights King, and most of all the Starks. It isn't coincidence, and all we know for sure is that what we're told is the truth, isn't even close to what really happened.

[@sophiemoconnell]

That makes a ton of sense bryantaylor9874. It seems to me that the main secrets they seem to possess focus around the black gate and child sacrifice, the night fort and their black blood. There has been a mention of tree soldiers in the text a few times too, so I do wonder if the weapon the CoTF gave them the ability to create fire wights in exchange for blood sacrifice (unwanted children) to the weirwoods. The way I see it they would in essence be firey tree soldiers so to speak. It could even be why the right to the first night was first started... If you wanted to get ultra tin foil about it this could even have been a poisoned gift the children gave to the NW in that they were using these sacrifices to create more Others, knowing full well that the reasons for the sacrifice (i.e fire wights) would be forgotten over time.

[@bryantaylor9874]

I'm in total agreement with u. As for my tin foil theory, although I believe wholeheartedly I'll be proven correct, it's that whatever actually happened between the Nights King and the Others will happen again, but this time with Stannis. I think Stannis is going to pull out a miracle win against Bolton, restore the North to Stark rule (likely Rickon but other possibilities exist), and then he'll find that all the good he did for the North will earn him not a damn thing. Once again Stannis, who always did his duty, who answered the desperate pleas for help when no one else would, who avenged the Starks by destroying the traitors, will find that no one will stand with him. It'll be like Renly getting Storms End and Ned getting the credit for ending the siege at the end of the rebellion all over again. Only a thousand times worse. Grrm lives history repeating itself after all. When this happens he'll retreat to the Nightsfort with a handful of men at best. Even Mel will abandon him by this time, and we'll see the man who would not bend finally break. It's been teased repeatedly since Clash. Enough so to be considered a true Chkalov's Gun. We'll see Stannis, abandoned by fire, embrace ice, and all the evil powers the darkness has to offer. Not sure exactly how that will play out, though certainly it will mirror what the Nights King did thousands of years earlier. It's a shame bc Stannis doesn't deserve the treatment he's been given his entire life. The rage he'll feel will turn the best commander in Westeros, if not the world, into the leader of mankind's enemy just in time to begin the new Long Night. With Grrm's penchant for breaking tropes there's a good chance mankind won't survive this time.

[@mystiquevannoordwyk2452]

Awesome video guys!! Do you think there is any potential that Winterfell might possibly be literally where winter fell? In regards to where Ned use to clean Ice, could it be the “remains” of a ice dragon?

[@tulkas42o22]

I've heard a theory that the whight viserion from the show isn't an ice dragon. It spews blue flame where as an ice dragon doesn't spew fire. I hope for this because I have zero faith in D&D seeing grr Martins vision all the way through. They already fucked it up with sansa unless Harry the heir turns out to be a sadist as well. Who else is rooting for an ice dragon. In the books that is. Rumor has it that in the show jon becomes king but abdicates once he is done with his "hour of the wolf". ;)