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[@joentell]

Something I wanted to add is that a common and horrible tactic I've seen from reviewers is that they "mislead by omission." They purposely don't disclose their obviously sponsored videos. They have undisclosed motives and hidden bias towards people and product manufacturers that that bash and bad-mouth. I've seen publications go as far as to omit time-consuming, perfectly relevant, objective measurements because it made a sponsored product look bad. This is disingenuous and evil behavior in my eyes. They pretend to be objective, but they always have a personal agenda. They claim to be on the consumer's side, but they really care more about protecting their relationships with paying customers/companies. This is weak behavior. These people are scared to be fully transparent in fear of losing money. I've seen it in previous industries also. These are the people who end up losing it all anyway, because they're scared, but will never admit it to themselves or to others. They don't have any values they deem more important than making money. Not honesty, nor integrity. Watch out for this behavior. These people hate to see other succeed. Their jealousy and envy are obvious to everyone. But, im just speaking in general terms. 😉 The names aren't important. Look out for this behavior for yourself and you will know the names.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

This is why I love JoeNTell ❤❤🔥🔥🔥🔥. Speaks the truth even when it will make people uncomfortable. This should be the way we should all live our lives. Don't be afraid to make people uncomfortable by calling them out on their lies and deceptive business practices.

[@gaborszabo2880]

Joe it's OK a rent once a year is fine! However, when you talk for 15 Minutes, you should say the name XY-ZED. If you don't want the drama, smoke, and so an and that is fine. But now everybody will insert the names they don't like, and assume you are talking about them. So you either can stand the heat, make the video and call people out by name. Or get out of the kitchen, and not make a rent video.

[@joentell]

​@@gaborszabo2880 I made the exact video I wanted to make. If you think I'm afraid to call someone out, you obviously don't know me. I've done it before and I'll do it again if I want to. I chose not to. For the same reason that I don't want to sell you on which speaker to buy, I'm not here to sell you on who to trust. Make up your own mind. You're a grown man. I spoke my mind and that's it. Don't talk to me about that smoke and getting out of the kitchen. That's hilarious talk. This video was for me to get something off my chest.

[@projectx9394]

💯 Joe 👏! Coming from me, as someone who grew up with parents who are very talented with music instruments, a step brother who produces music digitally, and myself attended band class and marching band, I absolutely concur with your video sir 👏🙌❤. When you grow up around actual music instruments and musicians, and know what it means to TUNE your instruments and play in unison while in TUNE with multiple musicians at once, you develop a hearing skill set for what instruments sound like in real life in the most accurate representation. Some folks are even gifted with perfect pitch. I personally take an objective listening approach when playing back content on "x" audio reproduction devices. I like to think I usually don't take a subjective approach to audio playback because anything outside what my hearing has been trained to hear just sounds off to me. You can tell things such as, "X" instrument playing doesn't sound right on playback. The microphone used to record things also determines how something is recorded, some mics record "lifelike" and others record with a certain "flavor\color" of sound. Something I've noticed with many audio device reviewers as you mentioned here is they don't take an objective measurements approach like you've mentioned here for yourself and others mentioned who are doing an awesome job in the scientific approach to this lifestyle\hobby. In addition to that, there are so many folks in the audiophile hobby community that don't have a true "musician" background and therefore don't have, if you will, objectively musically trained ears. Oftentimes they will express their personal "untrained hearing" subjective opinion on how something sounds, or will "shill" to grow their channel. Again, from my musically trained ears anyway, I've found my preferences often closely align with frequency measurements I've seen graphed. I've been messing with EQs so much at this point in my life that I can tell which ranges are set too high or too low. My wife thinks I might have some level of perfect pitch 😆 , humbly I'm not so sure, though I see where she's coming from😆. Just because a speaker sounds fun, doesn't mean it's accurate. Thanks for finally saying what needed to be said Joe 🙏. P.S. I have a new AVR to replace my Elite SC-95 and some other goodies coming in (I'll share in the discord), and I'll finally be able to take advantage of my early bird ordered Spatial Audio Calibration Toolkit 🙌.

[@gordowg1wg145]

@@gaborszabo2880 Gabor - it's "rant"... Also, if you don't like the way this chap does his videos and reviews, try doing your own - heck, you may even be good at it.

[@br1878]

Glad you acknowledged Erin’s Audio corner. His channel and yours really set the standard for the kind of reviews consumers deserve. Keep up the good work.

[@scottlowell493]

Except for the fact that Erin uses less than perfect measurements to bash affordable speakers. But his $7000 dynaudio measure like crap and he flips and says "They don't sound that way". He's a hypocrite and lost all credibility with one video.

[@TexSupport]

Your honest and direct aporoach is what drew my interest in your channel. Keeping it 100!!!! Keep doing what you do.

[@X1238-u1v]

Learning to calibrate the acoustics is much better than updating the hardware, thanks Joe. 😀

[@shaficknazier9125]

Great Video. Lots of respect especially in the light of Jay's Iyagi and GR-Research's recent posts. Erin's Audio corner is a GREAT channel and so glad he is back!!

[@joentell]

Yes, I'm glad Erin is back. I don't pay attention to those others you mentioned, so I'm out of the loop.

[@davidhoover2446]

I have been an audio engineer for like 15 years and interested in hifi for another 10 years. I know audio inside and out and do it as my career. I watch your channel because I get real useful information for my budgetary home audio systems. Sometimes you can’t listen to the speakers so in my opinion you steer me correctly. Keep up the great work and keep learning about your craft because audio is great. I’ve done almost every type of audio and still love it and I am still learning like you and everyone else should be.

[@donsazon3608]

I've got alot of respect for you bro, I've been watching you for many years now! I agree with you, but there are dishonest people in all industries though, especially online. Keep doing what you do man, integrity is worth more than a million subscribers!

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

Love where your heart is at Joe. Grumpy but still full of humanity and humility! Like your attitude towards this hobby... No arrogance, lots of testing and tweaking and continuous learning. Keep up the good work and trust that KZbin viewers will be able to discern authenticity overtime.

[@joentell]

Reasonably Grumpy. 😁

[@saxon4065]

100% well said. I think most people eventually do work it out. I find it amazing how many new products come out and get "better and better". We must have really listened to shit just a few years ago.😄🙃

[@joentell]

When it comes to technology, which is my background, we do expect things to improve. Every year, our phones really do get better. But how much advancement has there been in loudspeaker design, not that much. Some, but not a lot. Most of the advancement is in the ability to get accurate measurements, and for people at home to be able to do good measurements on their own as well. That's why I'm so excited for DSP.

[@irish7460]

@@joentell 100% i just recently picked up the Klipsch Synergy F-20 loudspeakers. I think they're from 2010? they sound fantastic to me.

[@markwilson0077]

Thanks for all your efforts Joe! I appreciate watching & learning anything new and useful from you, Channa, Erin, Ealan etc. So I pretty much filter out the ...less useful fluff channels, so to speak. Keep doing your thing bro, much respect!

[@mattgiunt]

This was great Joe. Something that needed to be said and not only in the audio/video world.We are being inundated with so much salesmen garbage in this world and everyone is out to separate the consumer from his money. Really great that you mentioned some of the respected people out there since calling out the best is just as effective as wasting your time mentioning the worst. Back in the day before the internet we had no where to go except to ads from salesmen and an occasional review magazine. We are so lucky to have so much information at our fingertips today and yet dishonesty is everywhere. Thanks to you and the daily HI FI staff for clearing the air and helping us make intelligent, fact based purchases.

[@trauma50disaster1]

those guys are better that the old days where even the magazine was biased. But we really don't have any proff of bias, it still comes down to their salesmenship, can they sell us they are independent? So if you "get the feeling" they are telling you the truth then I have some ocean front land to sell you...

[@joentell]

Yeah, but you can watch ones actions. I have sponsored videos where the company paid me monthly to review their products. I disclosed that in my video. Then I proceeded to give their product a less than positive review. Look at where they land on my speaker leaderboard. And pretty much every other product that I reviewed that I believed to be subpar. And then I let that company go as a sponsor because I got tired of reviewing products I didn't like. So, I turned down money. It was easy. Actions speak louder than words.

[@nottoolive]

You sir, are the sole reason i bought the kali audio lp-6 v2. Because of your insight and liking. I looked at your measurements and that suited my needs. You explained how each frequency sounds. And your opinion too. Keep doing you man. Youre an OG

[@joentell]

Thanks. And the most important thing...how do you like them?

[@nottoolive]

@@joentell they absolutely blow me away everytime i sit in front of them. I can sit and listen for hours. As neutral as they are all sound coming from them is cleaaaan.

[@adamjj85]

Amen Joe. I watch pretty much everybody and there's so much misinformation out there. There are only a handful of reviewers who I would actually trust when making a purchasing decision. The rest are pure just entertainment and are more focused on being an "influencer" rather than reviewer. Honestly, I'm at the point where if you want to be a serious audio reviewer, I think you should have to go through certain steps, like read Floyd Toole's book, become a Harman trained listener, etc. Show you're serious and dedicated to the craft like you are.

[@joentell]

I remember your name because you always seem to have good insight. But you're also one of the few. And I think that's how it is most of the time too. This is a niche industry. But it's just annoying when the majority of reviewers also are uninformed and spread misinformation.

[@mohanbaggam]

Your truthful opinion is 100%correct .Some reviewers are just describing high about some stuffs due to which the music lovers are misguided.Frankly speaking there are very few reviewers (includingJoe ) who are very honest and trustworthy

[@orlandomiranda5011]

Joe, I really appreciate your honesty. I can see through a lot of the influencers out there. Keep up the good work.

[@Jason-hf8he]

KZbin encourages consistency and quantity. Not inconsistency and quality. Cheap Audio Man is very good at feeding the KZbin algorithm, but he is taking this hobby backwards. And he did it at the expense of all the KZbin reviewers who graciously offered their channel to give him a voice. Nice guy. Funny. But Randy is a puppet for Schiit, Emotiva, Geshelli, Chi-fi, and Wiim. He’s biased and he knows it… but he’ll fight that opinion because those companies are putting food on his table.

[@joentell]

I think you're spot on with your take on how the KZbin algorithm works. I'm not paying close attention. It's always changing. No comment on the rest.

[@JACT1101]

His cringey screen shots for his videos tell me all I need to know about his channel. It's commercial YT garbage.

[@RickPfeister]

I think Jig is up for Randy, or it soon will be. I'm noticing more established KZbinrs venting their frustrations with these light-on-substance "reviews". He's basically the poster child for how not to be taken seriously. Like you said, nice guy and entertaining at times, but losing credibility by the minute. A few months ago, I watched an interview he did with Jason Stoddard of Schiit Audio, and I got the sense Jason thought the interview was a bit beneath him. It's a shame b/c this is his livelihood, but he's doing a disservice to folks genuinely looking for guidance and education on HiFi equipment. He gives a false sense of quality when peddling these Chi-fi brands and claiming you can have true HiFi for dirt cheap, which isn't realistic...at least not without many caveats.

[@greenbeginner3353]

⁠@@RickPfeister Any examples of the KZbinrs who have expressed negative feelings towards Cheap Audioman? I haven’t spotted so much as one case.

[@Jason-hf8he]

@@greenbeginner3353 Randy is the only one who has complained. Ask him his opinion of GR research sometime. And ask him to be honest about his relationship with New Record Day, Audiophiliac, DMS and Josh Valour. Randy is burning bridges everywhere right now

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

The first time I saw Legacy speakers my jaw dropped by how beautiful the looked on the show room floor. The drivers were all so well put together and their cabinets were a piece of art. And they were expensive, one pair cost more than most people's entire home theaters! When they started the demo I thought maybe they were playing over the wrong speakers because they sounded thin, no low end, and mushy. Maybe they were catering to old rich people with more money than sense, but these speakers sounded horrible and they were charging over 12k for a pair of them. I'm sure they tell potential customers "this is how the artist intended their music to sound" or some bullshit line like that... It was one of those "never meet your hero" moments - in the magazines you'd see these beautiful speakers and assume they sounded as good as they looked - they don't. I was let down and learned then that just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's better - and often times in the audio world that is more true than not true. There is a lot of snake oil and misinformation out there, and very few people are willing to call out the bullshit for fear of losing sponsorship opportunities, or they're just outright paid to lie. Maybe Legacy sounds better now but my first impression wasn't a good one and I struggle to see where you're getting your 12-40k dollars worth of audio.

[@scoobtoober2975]

I gave them the door test. If you are at an audio show, stand at the door before going in. If it doesn't sound good. Don't go in. I didn't go in there. Super expensive for less bang. Raidho, elac, vanatoo, devore, martin logan. If the room is setup right and good gear, great. If the suppliers don't know what to do. Then no. If they do know and it still sounds bad then no. Amen on truth and garbage sorting.

[@bencausey]

Most speakers in showrooms don’t sound nearly as good as they do after setting them up perfectly to your tastes in your own room. Your point is sort of moot until it’s set up perfectly in your own room.

[@gordowg1wg145]

@@bencausey You're rather missing the points - especially the one about the demonstration not being set up to show off the speakers, or worse, being set up for that and STILL sounding bad.

[@HOTpopcornVideo]

Pretty much the only audio channel I tune into and listen too. Respect your opinion and you’ve pointed me in some interesting directions. Will make a habit of liking your vids.

[@joentell]

Thanks! I encourage you to listen to others and for your own opinion. I can be wrong at times too. I appreciate it though.

[@joentell]

My homie @technodad keeps it real too! Sometimes too real. I didn't want to mention him in the video in case he came in too hot dropping names! LOL. He's like the friend you have to calm down because he gets too intense. LOL. Kidding...kinda.

[@EveryDayJay415]

No one: @technodad : HOLD ME BACK HOLD ME BACK!!!!

[@TechnoDad]

Bahahahahaha!!!

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Channa is a ride or die friend. He is my kind of people Doug MacRay: I need your help. I can't tell you what it is, you can never ask me about it later, and we're gonna hurt some people. James Coughlin: ...Whose car are we gonna take?

[@carywatson1146]

Love the transparency! Thank you! For me, it’s about trust. No transparency, no trust. Still planning Magic Beans…gotta a few WAF things to handle first. Take care.

[@outlawGFXaus]

Honesty is what we need more of in the audio scene

[@JayCham_JC]

Joe is on fire... don't be upset my brother. Shout out from Portugal...

[@joentell]

Hey, passion and love can look similar to anger sometimes. I put thought into this before I said it. I've been thinking about this for years. I just felt like it was time to say it.

[@JayCham_JC]

I understand and I think you hit a nail. You must know when to hold em and know when to fold em...

[@ryanbigbabykinlawbrisbin753]

I like defined bass and clarity . You and Nemo will always be my go to sources 🙌

[@joentell]

Nemo seems like a real one. He connected me up with RSL, so I'm thankful to him for doing that.

[@backrack01]

Nemo is the man.

[@edbek2442]

@@backrack01 Nemo is a Beast and i love his vids :) and he is very truthful to everything he says!

[@scaudioav]

Too much everything is amazing....you are pretty spot on. Rant is valid. I find myself dropping some of the people I have previously subscribed to. I'm either not learning from them or I feel like I'm just in a sales presentation.

[@joentell]

I tried so hard not to seem "shilly" about those Monolith M518HT's and THX Compact Satellite. Watch my video. I'm trying not to sell them, even though I think they're ridiculously awesome! I didn't want to come off like these others. But, the problem is I really did think they were awesome. So now that I have this off my chest, I feel a bit more free to say good things about products I really like. The objective measurements will back me up anyway. You already know what I'm gonna ask... How do your sound now that you have them hooked up? :-)

[@scaudioav]

@@joentell I am going to hold off watching your vid until I get them fully setup. Trying to listen before I watch ;). Right now they are hooked up but just kind of tossed around and not placed properly. So far pretty good. I have been enjoying them even in their current state. My initial impressions 👍👍👍

[@orl2222]

You hit it on the nailhead! It's flavor of the month for audio gear. And your right, some reviwers are all about expensive gear, which by the way were expensive back in the seventies when I was growing up, much less now with inflation etc. Or they get sucked in by sponships, promoting brands that reward them with free gear. I never was a turntable guy, when CD's came out it was a blessing. Nowadays I checked on amazon for turntables "1-16 of over 1,000 results for "turntables"" or vintage gear going for way more than they were worth new! This "hobby" is not attracting the younger people by far, as even my my grand nephews and nieces have blutooth buds and are happy. Its no longer about the joy of listening to music, but rather with this ( insert amp, preamp, DAC Speakers, whatever here) " I can here the lil nuiance of the drummer shuffling his feet with this gear which I never heard before! " Ok, end of my rant!

[@joentell]

I feel like it's partially my responsibility to get some of the younger crowd interested. They need to know that we aren't full of crap first. Or not "cappin" as they say. 😁

[@gordowg1wg145]

Part of that is because the young'uns haven't had the chance to experience actual good sound systems. I watch a lot of music "reactions", of different genres and times, and the number of them that are using lap-top speakers, cheap 'n' nasty earphones or buds - or worst of all sharing a single set of in-ears between two people, so getting a single channel is shocking. I've frequently pointed out that at least buying a few hundred dollars' worth of decent s/hand amp's and speakers - doesn't need to be high end - will give a MUCH better audio experience, even with the lappie supplying an MP3 based source signal to the amp'.

[@DescartesRenegade]

Can't stand audio reviewers who just blabber on about how it sounds to them. It literally takes nothing but a claim to become an "audiophile". Imagine claiming to be an engineer with the only credentials backing them up is the claim. I love what you try to accomplish. What does it scientifically mean for a tweeter to be "bright"? What does it scientifically mean to hear "clarity"? How does science measure "openness" with high end power cords? I recently engaged in a debate with Danny from GR research about what "clarity" is. I merely stated that whatever "clarity" is that's gained from upgrading some binding posts or a power cord can be detected by a microphone. If you can hear it, it can be detected. He said it can ONLY be heard and not recorded...I just couldn't. -_- Im an Engineer and studied advanced physics. I need a little more than broscience.

[@joentell]

To be clear, waxing poetic about an audio product isn't easy. I've tried in my April Fools videos, and it takes a while to get in the flow of being full of $#!^. You kind of gotta get into a groove of sorts. ;-) Clarity is easy. It's lack of distortion and unwanted sounds. Unwanted sounds can be reflections that cause smearing of the direct sound. I don't think any binding posts or cords really affect that. Placement, good speaker design, lack of resonance, good room acoustics, your listening position can all impact that. The binding posts would be the least of my worries.

[@downdog0136]

Joe, You hit it out of the park, you are 100% right.

[@Newbie4Hire]

They really do say every bloody speaker is good.

[@HomeTheatre101]

Always enjoy listening to your thoughts! Keep up the good work 🔥

[@NakeanWickliff]

Yeah, it’s pretty ridiculous. How many people do this for a living but can’t bring themselves to break out a microphone and REW to show what’s really going on. It didn’t take me too long to figure out the people using different superlatives for all the speakers. we’re all full of it. Measurements aren’t everything but they are certainly where you should start.

[@joentell]

It takes me 5 minutes to measure a speaker using my method. It can take longer if I want more data, but a quick frequency response measurement will tell a lot.

[@NakeanWickliff]

@@joentell By the way I got your spatial disk. Love that I can finally hear what's going on in my setup. Thank you.

[@jikenj]

Thanks Joe keep it up! A few years back I bought two sets of elac speakers and I was happy to see you're positive review of them I still have no regrets and love them to this day

[@dan.nathan]

Decided to take a shot every time you say "Right".....I'm 5 minutes in..... please call an ambulance.

[@joentell]

That's what you got from this? 😁 That's cool Dan. Insightful stuff.

[@dan.nathan]

​@@joentell I'm guessing you don't do too well with criticism? 🙃 Since you asked, what I got from your video is that you pride yourself on being honest and have integrity - then go on to produce a 15 min video ripping on fellow reviewers whom you won't mention by name, and calling them sell-outs. That's cool. Insightful stuff.

[@joentell]

​@Giani P yes, that's part of it. I don't like the fact that someone can be "successful" on KZbin by spreading less than honest information, compared to someone who uploads less, but puts out great information. But that's a KZbin problem. That's a me problem. Am I not allowed to be frustrated about that? That's why I say that this video is for me. They say, don't hate the player, hate the game. Well I'm hating on the game, that's why there's no need to call out the player. I'll just change the game. Look, even this stupid rant video is my top recent video by far. Do you think that's good? I think this video sucks compared to some other videos I've made recently when it comes to educational value. But you clicked, you watched, and you commented. So you've contributed to making this popular also. I'm guilty of responding. So now what?

[@joentell]

​​@@dan.nathan I don't know about that. I'm still here. I'm just saying, out of all the things you wanted to focus on, it's that I say right a lot? Thanks by the way. I didn't realize that. But still, that response was at the top of your priority list? I'll try to be more conscious to say right less. Ok. Now where are we? Is that all you have? The call the ambulance part was pretty funny though.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

JoeNTell puts up to 40 hours into a video that makes less than $100. Then he does a 15 minute rant video and within days it is approaching 20K views. This video is not useful or Educational to most people probably other than to prove JoeNTell's point that people are attracted to entertainment. Controversial topics draw in people from both sides of an issue. JoeNTell is a smart guy especially when it comes to marketing and sales. He could manipulate his views , put in less work, get more views and entertain people by promoting or destroying products, just check out Fresh Hater Jay. But JoeNTell shows his integrity by being very critical of sponsored products . He has also gone out of his way not to destroy products that measure extremely poorly. He is getting something off his chest. A message that entertaining controversy sells and fact based reviews do not. He isn't wrong and he had every right to be pissed off

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

This is why I love JoeNTell ❤❤🔥🔥🔥🔥. Speaks the truth even when it will make people uncomfortable. This should be the way we should all live our lives. Don't be afraid to make people uncomfortable by calling them out on their lies and deceptive business practices.

[@joentell]

Master of making it awkward huh. 😁

[@epi2045]

Joe thank you! I won’t name who but I can think of two reviewers that drive me nuts. Keep up the good work!

[@joentell]

How about you name some one of your favorites, other than me ;-) . Also, what do you appreciate about their reviews. This could easily backfire on me, but go ahead. LOL.

[@epi2045]

@@joentell Podcastage - this isn’t really an audiophile channel but actually “before” the audio. I think more audiophiles should understand how music is made and this reviewer focuses on microphones specifically for voice. Maybe you can occasionally talk about music production and recording… that would be great fresh take compared to the other reviewers.

[@eaglesphiladelphia1933]

I used to like Andrew Robinson when he was the recovering audiophile, Cheapaudio man seems to be trying too hard to be funny and New Record Day is GR research groupie. Imho 😂😂😂

[@imz14u2nv]

@Joe N Tell Thanks so much for being genuine, it is so refreshing to have someone in the space that is actually interested in helping the consumer base connect with great gear. You are correct, if something cost zillions and only a few can afford it, then I say: What Freaking Good is that??? I am so sick of the cute so called “reviews" where they just Smile for a Dollar, I can go to my local Brothel for that. I can say that even at my age, you have made a tremendous impact on me and I truly appreciate having you in this space, Keep up the great work Joe, there are lots of people that need you and might not even know it yet as the sharks are always circling.

[@joentell]

I LOL'ed at your second paragraph. "Smile for a dollar" 🤣

[@slick1979uk1]

Thanks for the video Joe! I think I know one person you are referring to. They never calibrate the stuff they review and then compare it to really expensive equipment.

[@joentell]

I had a whole list of reviewers in mind.

[@silva_579]

I think a big reason for all the fluff reviewers out there is that the a/v industry is strongly aimed at folks who have the financial means to purchase fluff without much thought. Love the discussion, keep staying true to yourself! 👊

[@Firebottleman]

Good on you man! Love the HONESTY!! Something that a bunch of audio reviewers need more of. There are a few good ones though, and we know who they are. The rest of them are just playing the #s game to make money. Some people are shameless, that's one of the problems, the other is a lack of knowledge when it comes to audio. I feel the frustration too. Keep em' coming Joe. Excellent work! God bless.

[@howieduncan216]

Thanks for being honest and getting to the point. I always check your videos out. Stay true to yourself and your audience.

[@Rev8]

Love it see it. Your straight up SCIENTIFIC , MEASURED reviews are so much better than the other guys. I just bought the 2000 watt 13in Monolith sub you reviewed. Your leaderboard is so efficient and clear, I wish all reviewers did this!

[@joentell]

I appreciate you saying that

[@hificonspiracy]

Not only do they not care about me. They don't even know who I am! HA! 🤣

[@77Cardinal]

Hi Joe. I'm hoping to send some positive vibes your way. I first saw your channel while my brother and I were talking long distance about building 2 home audio systems. One for his daughter and one for my son. Like a lot of people I'm not in a place where I can go listen to gear so I shopped audio reviewers online to try to get some informed opinions about bookshelf speakers. I watched maybe 8 or 10 different reviews. I found a consensus pick that all said was a true hi-fi speaker at a value price. But I narrowed it further to 3 reviews that gave the good and bad and comparisons of features and benefits with other speakers at a similar price. Your video made my top 3. You gave some of the best information which helped me get past brand names or price points. We picked speakers that sound really good (I finally got to hear them) and fit both systems really well. Our "kids" enjoy listening to music at home more than ever. Thank you for a solid recommendation!

[@joentell]

Thanks for the good vibes! 🙏 Which speakers did you end up with?

[@77Cardinal]

​@@joentell ​ Elac Debut Reference paired with a vintage 1980's Mitsubishi DA8 receiver/Amp, Fluance RT 83 Turntable and Yamaha WXC 50 DAC. Really nice starter Hi-Fi for about $1600. My brother and I got to demo the system with my niece and her husband in their home. As you said, wide stereo image, big sweet spot and very forgiving against the wall of a small-ish room. Build quality and finish compares to a pair of Paradigm Reference Studio 20 speakers I paid $1200 for in 1998 (and still have as my daily drivers). Elacs are more entertaining and engaging to listen which you implied in your review. Thanks again for helping us get the "big win" on our family project to bring the hi-fi experience to the next gen. Cheers!

[@joentell]

@@77Cardinal that's a solid pair of speakers! Congrats!

[@Nightjar726]

You lost me at Amir. He is not science. He is cult. You can’t question him or his crazy crew. And that comes from someone who believes in science and not fluff But those guys are dogma. If you don’t agree with them you are out

[@joentell]

Yeah, that's not how that works for me. The guy can provide good data and not have a good handle on his community. I'm not giving props because of his leadership skills, I appreciate the objective data he's providing. Like I said in the video, not everyone is going to like everything anyone does. I don't even like all the stuff I do sometimes when look back at things.

[@Nightjar726]

@@joentell just go and look at his Benchmark DAC3 measurements. They were completely wrong and John Siau had to get involved. You really need to look at it and see how odd or hastily done they were. It’s worth reading through it Even when he redid the measurements , if you notice he places the measurements to start at +20db and it makes the performance look weaker. That can’t be something a pro does. It’s something I would do as a total novice in measurements. But like I said that one review is worth seeing how he makes ‘ serious mistakes’ Not to mention he does not put in the pdf of the AP analyzer settings he used. You can manipulate a lot with setting the analyzer differently Go read it and come to whatever conclusions you would like. Don’t listen to me Cheers man. Love your stuff

[@joentell]

@@Nightjar726 I'm not big into amp reviews, so I'll have to go by what you're saying . I've seen some issues in some speaker reviews, but that's what I said no one is perfect for everyone. I still think he tries to provide good measurements from what I've seen. The trying part is what matters to me. He does a ton of reviews, so I would assume he's going to make mistakes. I hear you though. He doesn't rub me the wrong way, but I noticed he does with others for some reason. We didn't get started on a good foot initially, but I think we have mutual respect now from what I've seen.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

I agree 100% on Amir's Cult of Narcissistic Personality being what is wrong in the audio community. Amir thinks he invented audio measurements 😂😅. And he has made way too many mistakes measuring for me to trust his "data"😂

[@sabbathAndy]

Love your channel bro, watching from across the world, keep it up and dont stay silent.

[@joentell]

Thanks. No one can shut me up in normal situations either. 😁

[@sabbathAndy]

​@@joentell ps i also have monolith products two subs, the 10 inch v2 and the 15 inch v2 and i love em ❤️😊

[@ryanrichardson2957]

Great video Joe. I have my own pet peeve in audio that drives me bonkers and it’s the people who say analog is always better then digital and that they can “hear” the digital artifacts. I won’t name names, but I saw a guy on KZbin say he trained his ears for 20 YEARS to be able to tell the difference. That right there tells me that if there is a difference, it’s VERY negligible at best.

[@joentell]

I'm glad you also don't feel the need to call someone out. I get the jist of it without the name.

[@redstarwraith]

I've never been in the "measurements camp" because charts, graphs, numbers, etc., make my eyes glaze over. Yeah, I know I'm handicapping myself. For instance, I would be curious to know if there is a measurable commonality to the speakers I like, but I'm not interested in diving into measurements to find out. Someone else can do that (if they're so inclined) and I'll happily listen to them explain it to me. I think it's kind of funny that you (Joe) are a "measurements guy" and yet, my biggest audio purchase to date was a pair of Larsen speakers I became intensely interested in after watching your review of them. As I recall, you didn't talk much about measurements in that video but you spent a good deal of time describing how the speakers present sound. That was something I could relate to. I ended up buying Larsen 8.2s and I think the presentation is very much how you described it in the Larsen 4's! Anyway, if I never thanked you for hipping me to Larsen . . . THANKS!

[@trauma50disaster1]

Yeah I don't take him as a measurement guy either, weird he claims that now and just throws some rudimentary graphs up. I'm more interested in his off the cuff first reaction based on his listening experience.

[@joentell]

Rudimentary? At least I take the time to even do them! And I cross reference by rudimentary "Spinorama" measurements with Erin and Amir's Klippel and they line up surprisingly well. I am actually one of the first reviewers to start providing measurements. Ask Erin from Erin's Audio Corner if that's true. But as the other person says, it makes their eyes glaze over. To the guy who got the Larsen's, I did provide measurements of the Larsen 4.2's. it might have been on a separate video. The reason the measurements matter is because it helps describe what's happening. Even if the Larsen's weren't the most neutral, their directivity and interaction with the room is why I liked them so much.

[@trauma50disaster1]

@@joentell rudimentary yes as in easy, what do you do hold your phone up or lay a microphone on a stand? We don’t know what you do to achieve your sophisticated sound tests, maybe a 3 min video to teach us.

[@saiyan75]

Thanks Joe. Appreciate all you do.

[@RYTHMICRIOT]

This needed to be said. This is a big issue on KZbin. And don't get me started on all the people pushing Raycon earbuds.

[@wktek48]

Joe you're out of this world 😅, great speech and i love your measurement and advice video's.

[@joentell]

I appreciate that. I also think pretty highly of myself. :-) But, I try to be honest by looking at my reflection often. I'm probably guilty of a lot of the stuff I mentioned others do. But I'll be damned if I'm not at least aware of it and try to fix it.

[@King_Dusty_Of_Pookytopia]

You sir are great on camera. Just keep being you. YOU are enough....!

[@joentell]

Thanks. I'm trying to improve. Thanks for the support

[@juanmillaruelo7647]

Yeah, Joe, we know, we notice, we can tell. Thanks for being open and honest.

[@rizwanroshan5355]

Love your honesty Joe, you are one of the few reviewers i check out before making a purchase because i know you tell the truth. Love your videos.❤

[@elianese9319]

I've been around the block a few times, and I agree with you. Many reviewers just copy other people's videos because those received many views, so it's easy work for them. Also as a musician, I know what instruments are supposed to sound like. I will see many reviews before even forming an opinion on a product, and even then I prefer to listen before I purchase. You are a rare person and I respect integrity first. Sadly it is a lost art

[@joentell]

Is integrity not cool nowadays? 😁 I don't get it.

[@elianese9319]

@@joentell It's all become about views. I wish I had a better answer to the integrity question. It's still cool from perspective and #1 in my book. It's ok though, you and I can still do it differently

[@joentell]

@@elianese9319 I will figure out a way to do both. It's easy to get views if you're willing to say or do anything. I have some self-imposed constraints because I do value truth, honesty, and integrity.

[@kalexan9]

Even though I was disappointed in this video and felt it unnecessary and unprofessional, after reading through some of the comments, I am bewildered by the fact that most of you don't understand the risks that come with naming names. It's one thing to put something like this out there, it takes it to a whole new level to start naming names. What if one of the names mentioned is a guy you trust? That would immediately trigger a divide in loyalties that damages Joe, YOU, and the other party. Now take that and multiply it times thousands. All it does is alienate the fan base and would prove counterproductive in hindsight. I still feel though that this video is a bad look for Joe, and as as time goes by, he'll look back and agree with shame as something done as his "younger" regrets.

[@joentell]

Look at the number of positive supportive comments compared to the negative ones. I don't have any regrets. I said what I meant and I meant what I said. My question is why is this video my most popular video even though it's my lowest effort video ever? It's all subjective. Just my opinion. It's not even relevant to audio. My complaint is what's promoted on this platform. Maybe I'm just complaining about human nature. I'm to blame also. But regrets...no.

[@Burythelie]

Yeah you hit the nail on the head with that one.

[@ENGLISHISBEST]

I actually agree with your thinking, it doesn't matter what they show or tell you it's just filling in another weekly video, Everyone's room or taste & budget is different, they can't say this is brilliant or bad because your small or large room with different decoration & furniture right down to the quality of your own personal hearing capabilities with or without cotton buds cleaning your ears is different for all. I gave up ages ago & went for mainstream regular hifi seperates on my budget as a warehouseman with a redundancy payment from my old company that had to pay me to leave, so that's another factor can I afford what I really want. What I do know is I have just approached 65 years of age with around 25% loss of hearing in my left ear due to my step mother slapping me so often, that's another factor, I bought my first record deck at 17 years old along with Al greens let's stay together vinyl album, 2 speakers & I don't even remember their brand names or rating, I just loved music & not oh dear "they are a bit on the bright side" or worried where the speakers were at the right height & angled. I JUST LOVED MUSIC. Anyhow I slipped into this wierd bull that a lot of people suggested, but rarely do they talk about a great album its normally about the bloody machine that plays what we really want & that's music. By the way mine today is reasonable priced, reasonably matched rega planar 3, marantz pm & cd6007usb with B&W 607s2 anniversaries. Not O.T.T. but my music collection for my partial deaf left earhole is my pride & 48 years of collecting vinyl & cd's, tapes, minidisc, & listening. Thank-you. Your my new regular youtuber.

[@HomeTheatre101]

Loved my 607’s! Currently breaking in a pair of 707 S2 and excited to hear the results!

[@midevil1980]

Good talking points. Well said, brother. 🍻

[@HiFinest343]

“His” review did mention you can achieve 98% the same experience at less than half the cost. I think that’s an honest assessment that people DON’T want to hear. Everyone always assumes the highest cost Endgame equipment is actually better. If it’s measurably better, doesn’t mean it’s subjectively better. There’s an emotional attachment to anything you spend money on at your discretion. Measurements are one component of many emotional triggers. Youthman thinks the binding posts on the Emotiva MR1 looks odd. But would he feel the same way about those binding posts if his experience with the RMC1 was better? Keep on keepin it real, subscribed because I like facts and data, as an engineer. I also like shiny bells and whistles and what invokes positive emotional reaction, as a consumer. Plenty of car reviewers out there that don’t know $#!^ about how a car works but people watch their videos cause they’ll never step inside one of the nice cars they’re reviewing…

[@joentell]

I get you. People watch channels for different reasons. Some reviewers are misleading through omission though. They don't disclose a bias, a business deal, measurements that would make the product look bad, or other pertinent information. It's done on purpose to keep a narrative to push an agenda. It's often what they don't say that will tell you everything you need to know. I don't know who "his" you're referring to. I didn't watch any particular video that triggered this video. I've been thinking about this for a long time. Years. It was a few thumbnails that I saw that made me decide to do this though, but not a particular video.

[@Audiodreamer192-24]

A good example without naming names would be a guy who used to say that the bluesound node was the streamer to beat for the money now he says the wiim mini and pro are the best…. But then you realize that wiim is his biggest sponsor….. Just trying to pedal product for kick backs. Even if the product is junk. Thank you for your honesty! 👍🍻

[@joentell]

I've never even heard of wiim. That should show you how much I really pay attention to some of these guys.

[@MrWgk]

Great honest video

[@gerardfletcher1203]

ur right talking loud and saying nothinhg thres a few reviewers. that are like this well said Joe

[@joentell]

I thought you were talking about me for a second. I re-watched this a few times and thought to myself, "Are you saying anything in this rant?" :-) Hopefully, I am getting some valid points across.

[@AbsoluteFidelity]

Lets see who will rat themselves out by makin a response video to this. 🤣🤣🤣

[@joentell]

That's funny! You'll have to let me know. I don't follow many others. I see their stuff by accident when Google recommends it on my phone.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

Crickets , they didn't want to out themselves 😂😅

[@editorjuno]

I appreciate the nods to Erin and Amir -- IMO those guys are heroes!

[@Yakena1]

What is the channel for Amir?

[@mikeman1110]

Yeah...Joe. Couldn't agree more. Most of the reviews we see these days are those that tons of graphs and measurement with no real plain down to earth answer in the end. Any product for that matter regardless of pricing will have good and bad. It is just the need that everyone has to fit in based on their budget, preferences etc. The rest is just sitting back and enjoying a good movie or music.

[@jimmitchell8490]

It was interesting to learn while watching Zero fidelity review the CSS audio Typhon that Jay partnered with then two years ago. Isn’t that about the time he was ranting about how fantastic the 1td and 1tdx are???

[@joentell]

Trust your gut. I don't know about this situation you're referring to.

[@HowDareYouu]

bingo

[@JACT1101]

I will say that CSS has been transparent and easy to deal with,Dan in particular is a true DIY guy and a good dude. They did willingly submit their Criton 1TDX to Amir at ASR to get put through the measurement gauntlet. The whole Jay and Typhon deal is definitely marketing but it's not like they are trying to hide it from anyone.

[@tothemax324]

Does it really matter?!? The release of something different to market in a design aspect injected curiosity for me. HiFi I find can be soooo boring so repetitive like generic looking tube amps for example... Yawn. Blessed day everyone.

[@nickhuynh6321]

It's the same for many other topics as well: backpacking gear, tech gadgets, foodie stuff, etc. It's just the nature of the beast of social media. However, that being said, it's great to have rants like yours every now and then to unstuck ourselves... Thanks !!!

[@raeelliott8880]

One of the best videos I have ever watched on hifi reviews. You said it all and very accurately too. Don't worry about how passionate you were during the video, because it helps to express your opinion...I wish you had call some names, because I can too. Lol It took me awhile to figure out that a lot of these reviewers are hunting for kick backs and free stuff. Then they try to give some of it away to their patrons. In other words, they try to sucker us in, in order to make this KZbin thing a good living. I can't blame them for trying to make a living off of their KZbin channel. So consumers beware! Nothing is wrong with doing what's right. So be true to yourself and keep on doing what you think is truly right. You may not make as much money as those other guys do. But it will be food for your soul and enrich the person you are, and there is no shame in that game.

[@joentell]

How do you know I don't make more money? I wouldn't know. I do know that I have other business ventures. You've seen the Spatial Audio Calibration Toolkit that @technodad and I made. That's pretty successful. I have an app coming out. Having integrity and making money aren't mutually exclusive. I actually believe that having integrity leads to more financial success in the long run.

[@raeelliott8880]

@@joentell Spatial Audio Calibration toolkit. Wow! I have never heard of it. I will definitely watch that video. To tell you the truth, I have no clue how successful any of you guys are, but I do enjoy watching your videos. I wish you all the best. So please keep on educating us with your technical expertise and most of all, your honesty.

[@starker1971]

I have had some of my own frustration. I was kicked from a forum because I disagreed with a claim there was no such thing as a fast woofer. This was after accusing me of being a troll. It's not constructive when the experience becomes similar to asking questions on CB radio.

[@joentell]

To be honest, I don't love the term fast or slow woofer either. The speed of the woofer determines the frequency that emanates from the woofer. It's ability to start and stop due to inertia has to do with the cone material, compliance and many other factors (T/S parameters). In most cases, a powerful amplifier can control the cone movement and any stopping or starting is probably inaudible to most people. When people talk about a slow subwoofer, they might unknowingly be talking about the inherent delay caused by the DSP in certain subs. The solution is to use DSP in the AVR to delay the other speakers by the same amount. This is by design. Most 2-channel integrated amps don't have this capability, so the subwoofer is delayed "slow" compared to a subwoofer without DSP. The real solution is for integrated amps to be able to delay the main speakers, but audiophiles won't accept it.

[@starker1971]

@@joentell My general interpretation of fast versus slow is focused on the driver systems mass. Maybe my thought process is wrong. In an analysis, there is a statement that calls the spectral decay plot a decoration. If I understand correctly this is based upon the theory as long as there is high enough frequency response, the decay is largely known. I wonder if there is amble analysis that proves once the frequency response is analyzed, there can never be anything interesting shown in the spectral decay. I would like to see one because I am not convinced. Don't the engineers fight to get the best rigidity with minimal mass ? I think this has driven much materials study. I am also very interested in the effect of signal driven versus non-driven characteristics. My novice hunch is there could be something witnessed in that regard when describing sound characteristics of paper woofers.

[@HowDareYouu]

🤔🤔 i also have some audio guys that i watch but i would never NEVER NEVER trust them to buy a product: 1st place: Paul McGowan Ps audio 2nd Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac 3rd Jay's iyagi & the guy from GR-Research 4th Andrew Robinson & Darko Audio

[@what-mf4zg]

for sure, Paul McGowan it's just a sales man

[@joentell]

How dare you? Sorry, I couldn't help it. 😉

[@HowDareYouu]

@@joentell haha, cheers

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

This is my list as well 😂😅

[@HowDareYouu]

@@keepingupwiththejones2933 well... we ain't crazy

[@uceddiemo]

Hey Joe just to let you know why I bought the Spatial Audio Tool Kit, first I bought it because I like you and Channa just by watching your KZbin videos, I think you guys are great, second I wanted to support the people I like, oh also trying to get the most out of this Hobby, keep up the good work and thanks for all you do

[@joentell]

I'm talking to Channa now and I read your comment to him. Thanks man.

[@ottoburgess1555]

Joe. I agree with a lot of what you say. But we need to allow for these creators even if they are mostly subjective. I really appreciate what you and your friends are doing. Elan helped me take make the decision to dip my toe into separates with Emotiva MC1. Not the best but I find it much better than the Marantz AVR I had. Keep up the great work.

[@joentell]

There is room for everyone. And room for me to rant as well. It's not everyday. Just this once. Out of 447 videos, I think I'm "allowed."

[@TheSFFV]

Joe keeping real AF! Love it. Great call out. All audio for the most partis good audio and has a market. Really thinking about those Jamo S803's. Not the best but that v curve I bet will make me happy when partying down.

[@joentell]

I think you might like others better. Check out my leaderboard. Http://speakerleaderboard.com

[@ythagakure]

And the truth shall set you free… 👊

[@AaronHuffmanPerson]

Personally, I prefer to hear subjectivity and opinions. Not everyone aligns with what my tastes are and that's the real burden in listening to subjective reviews is that everyone has different tastes. Due to my interest in subjective reviews, objective reviews objectively bore me and I feel like as a customer, there are a lot of important points that objective reviews don't touch on and I shouldn't have to learn about graphs and such. There are many headphones, speakers and such that have a flat level, a harman curve, a bassy thing and all. Yeah it could mean something but there are more dynamics to the sound than the frequencies the setup leans on. One thing that matters a lot to me specifically for IEMs is how far is it going in there? Earbud? Wet willy? Tripple flange ear plug? I can hear my heartbeat? Ear surgeon?! I like Z and Crin for what they do best but they have their specialties on each end of the spectrum.

[@scal3guy]

Hey Joe 👍 I stumbled across your channel a couple of year's back when I was looking for "real" reviews on the Wharfedale Diamond 12.1speakers After watching your review 😊 and a few other sugar coated reviews' I knew these speakers deserved an audition ... Long story short ... I'm a proud owner of a pair of 12.1speakers! Keep up the informative and unbiased reviews 👍 Thank you for your help 👍

[@pat_hcn]

This is why i love your channel man.

[@villegas24]

Go get them hermano.

[@mpgcamo]

Good on you bud, I only started watching a few videos around some desktop/bookshelf speakers I wanted for my PC Music/Games setup. You sound like a guy that I can relate. Subbed, Belled and Liked. As a side I was going to get the Klipsch The Fives for my setup but can you recommend a set that is a good all rounder that's cheaper?

[@joentell]

Thanks. I'm gonna have to go with the Kali Audio LP-6 V2. I made a video about my favorite speakers under $500 and under $200. Also, my speaker leaderboard might give you products to research. Http://speakerleaderboard.com

[@mpgcamo]

@@joentell Thanks Joe. I will order them now. 👍

[@joentell]

@@mpgcamo see if there any others you like also on my speaker leaderboard. Http://speakerleaderboard.com

[@mpgcamo]

@@joentell I received the Kali Audio LP6v2s and OMG its amazing what I have been missing. I am going to upgrade from using RCAs to using balanced TRS cables via an Motu M2 audio interface though as I would like to silence the hiss.

[@markhensley4397]

I subscribed to you because what you have to say oozes integrity and sheer grit to get it right. If you believe in a product, you say what you mean and mean what you say. A while back, you got it wrong concerning a review on Bose. I believe in Bose and like Bose very much. I have enough sense to know better exists; however, you put your rep on the line and got it right. Your review on Vanatoo T0 was key to my purchase, and I love them. We need you...I need you to keep doing what you are doing. This work of yours matters a great deal to me. Thank you

[@YitbosSwede]

I agree, it needs to be both. Lack of knowledge is self-explanatory, but I find the knowledge > subjective/experience more insufferable. When I am asking questions about something, I am genuinely curious as to why they think a certain way, when I have heard different in real world experience. I have noticed that most of these people do not actually care about what I have said and what I am looking for, but more so on defending their opinions and findings (SOMETIMES ON A PIECE OF GEAR THEY HAVE NEVER EVEN SEEN OR HEARD IN REAL LIFE, MIND BLOWING). Protecting their ego and validating their point is all they care about. Reminds me of Engineers. When you go so hard on Objectivity, you loose sight of other things. For instance, I don't like the flat boring lifeless sound so many seem to strive for. I always turn it up to inject some feeling, which I noticed was too loud and too long at times. Sure you can show with measurements if a speaker is energetic or lively, but how much is a different story. Have had speakers blasting rock that made it seem so dull and boring that I would prefer slow and dull music on a lively speaker. At least then, I would probably be nodding my head, where as before I would not so much as tap my foot. Or imaging and soundstaging for that matter. While two speakers that measure the same may image similarly, a more resolving one could have a more dialed in localization of the source, or less noise between the instruments and people. How do I objectively show that there is a smaller point source for each sound/less noise in between. Sure, airy and spacious isn't perfect, but I can read that in 2 seconds, and it gets me closer to understanding if I am interested. I believe your experience and subjectivity should be ever so slightly first. If you are not actually enjoying the hobby or listening for fun, why bother? You can choose not to be the hardcore vacation planner of the audio world, and actually start enjoying that trip (gear) you spent the money on instead. I get it, I love playing with tech and it fascinates me, but I also do that for fun or to serve a purpose. Measurements should give you information, or help you find or tweak little differences in your system. Like finding what you want to change, decide there is a DAC that would fix that, and you would also know what you lose from that DAC, and how that will affect the change. That IS fun, but I would find A/B testing more practical for me, quicker, and much more enjoyable. I guess it comes down to be open minded of others processes and journey, and stop being rude to each other. Give what knowledge you have on the subject with the intent to help. I spend hours researching hobbies, and very few things in it make me feel better than getting a random question, and being able to boil those hours of research and experience into a paragraph (or 4 at this point...) of what I have found, and saving somebody some time while hopefully letting them experience what I do and why I love it. TLDR: Everybody has their own process. Use your knowledge to help give them information to make a decision, even if you don't agree with it. You are here to help people reach their endgame, not sell and validate your own, grow up.

[@joentell]

Grow up? You didn't have to end it like that. I'll ignore that for a second and let you apologize if you're man enough to do so. If you have both knowledge and experience, you'll understand the importance of both. If you don't have the knowledge, you can't speak about its importance or lack thereof. I'm here to inform my viewers, not other content creators. I'm here if they want to learn. The books are there on Amazon. The white papers are on AES. When the information is there and "experts" refuse to learn from it, that's their fault and a disservice to viewers.

[@YitbosSwede]

@@joentell Apologies. "Grow up" may be a little harsh, but I do feel people in the hobby can carry themselves as people better than we do. My above statements show I'm no exception. My issue comes when it goes from people exchanging knowledge (Objective/Subjective/Experience/ect.), and turns into trying to lead them down a path that may have worked for you, and not others. For example, I'm talking about the person who recommends Elac to somebody, after they say they enjoy the livliness of their Klipsch speakers. You can argue which is better for any number of reasons, but at the end of the day, it won't match the voicing they want. I'm not doubting measurements, DSP, or things of the sort. I use a miniDSP in my main system myself. I just don't like when it's used as the end all be all to shut somebody down for enjoying something that measured poorly. If clarity and lowest amount of distortion is the objectively the "best sound" I doubt we would see so many tubes. I just want a community where people respect the preferences of others and can help them accordingly. We will always have biases, and yes the amount of money we spend at times makes us quite protective when we think we are being called fools for it, but this is likely the only place that would understand that obsession. Sorry for the rant. Just fealt a certain way about when I see somebody that can help, but chooses to push their own preference of gear, and ignores what the person said they are looking for. Similar to a reviewer who has measured and listened to a product, has that intimate knowledge to help, but chooses the kick back instead of sharing the former.

[@davidliotta-wo2cc]

WOW, that was a great smackdown of Shane Lee from Spare Change.

[@joentell]

I didn't name anyone.

[@astrotrance]

I agree in principle. I wish I knew specifically who you were talking about, and either I must not follow any of them, or I'm just not very picky about who I watch. I mostly watch audio reviews for entertainment rather than as a guide for a future purchase, so maybe I let entirety subjective reviews slide by.

[@thomasward00]

Agree 100% too many channels is simply latest is greatest basically feeding FOMO because of advertisers. It's an advertisement.

[@johnh3476]

I think you're spot on. I quit watching one reviewer because 99.9% of everything reviewed is great and then they started to become one brand shill. More entertainment then informative review.

[@careymacisaac9165]

As viewers we also have to filter through the bs . There is not a lot great reviewers out there but there is room for more .

[@taz291819]

Well said... You, Channa, and Erin tend to call it what it is.

[@joentell]

They keep it real. That's why we do @DailyHifi together. And if I ever am not, I hope they let me know. If they aren't, I'll let them know also.

[@taz291819]

@@joentell btw, nothing against rants. Always puts a smile on my face when Chana goes off. Ya don't even have to agree with him on the topic at hand, it's just fun to watch/listen to.

[@greenbeginner3353]

Who’s “Chana?” What’s the channel called?

[@joentell]

@@greenbeginner3353 @technodad

[@randelldavis578]

I can appreciate you sharing your feelings, there's nothing wrong with that,hec, everybody does. For me I'm new in the hobby but I don't think anyone can influence me to buy anything that I don't want or need. When I'm thinking about a product that I want I'll do my research and if any of the content reviewers are reviewing the product I do pay attention to what they are saying about that product. Because I'm new to the hobby what I look for is how to get the most out of what I have and I just want to thank you for being that part of my journey.

[@joentell]

Thank you for allowing me to be a part of it. 🙏

[@1Aquadon]

Thanks Joe!!

[@erod9088]

Call them out! I'll start with first names like Paul, Ryan, and Shane.

[@kenrickhadley4499]

someone with courage and honesty finally said what needed to be said, i knew you would be the kind of person to do it.I suppose there are people on youtube that create these mini movies about audio instead of getting to the point and by the end try to convince the viewer that a speaker for ten thousand dollars a pair sounded incredible, why because they are expensive. Joe,i love music like anyone else, but i don't like being led to slaughter.Thanks for all the information to help us make rational purchases and not head down the rabbit hole of insanity.

[@joentell]

Thanks. I don't know if it's so much courage as it's just being tired like I wrote in the thumbnail. I'm tired of this BS and I'm going to do what I need to do to take responsibility for what I can do to improve things on my end. That's it.

[@kenrickhadley4499]

I think it's a brave choice to grow while maintaining your integrity. Music is an important part of all our lives,but everyone has different financial means. This doesn't mean anyone should be excluded simply because they can't afford a piece of gear to enjoy music.I know you have others on KZbin that you like and respect ,but I hope your comments give reviewers pause for thought when they recommend products. Thanks again.

[@DescartesRenegade]

Stay away from any reveiwer with a ton of equipment but cant afford a simple recording setup (even in-room response) to back their claims that $6000 power cables make a difference and $8000 speaker cables make a difference. As an engineer who is also well versed in advanced physics, the only channels opinions I take seriously about audio is Joe n Tell and Audioholics. Joe n Tell because he puts forth effort in doing the best he can to scientifically offer you objective opinions. He does what an objective consumer can also do to make good objective choices. Audioholics because he has an Electrical Engineering background and performs actual measurements on cables and offers frequency response recordings. To this day, i dont think ive come across a more scientifically nuanced channel dedicated to debunking audio myths.

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

7:43 Sometimes expensive stuff straight up sucks😂😅

[@timothylewis2450]

Exactly. Price is NOT a measure of quality or performance.

[@joentell]

I was waiting for you. You've been watching me for a while. I've kept my mouth shut about this for a while. Maybe I let off a bit of steam here and there in the Daily HiFi podcast, but it started to boil over last night. 😁

[@keepingupwiththejones2933]

@@joentell The truth always makes people, who are more comfortable with lies, uncomfortable. I say get comfortable with being being uncomfortable

[@leo11877]

Most reviewers are trying to keep their user base and the vendors happy at the same time. So they are walking a very thin line. If they start speaking their mind, they will loose most of them.

[@joentell]

And that's just fear-based thinking in my opinion. I think great companies, the ones I want to continue to work with, are open to honest assessment because it helps them create better products in the long run. I'm not interested in a company that only cares about making an initial sale. If that's their goal, they better make a damn good product at a damn good price. 😁

[@shawnorjiakor]

Hey, Joe. Long time no see... I think the main issue is the conflict of philosophies between audiophiles and audio reviewers. Some believes in measurements and science to back up a speaker... Some believes in real world usage more because papers doesn't always measure up and experience shines more... And others are a bit of both. For me, I watch a plethora of people (regardless if it's objective, subjective or both) to get the idea of a speaker that i want to purchase. At the end, I'm a consumer and i need to purchase the product to know the performance and if it's worth it. Plus, I still consider myself as a novice to HiFi and home theater. Lol

[@joentell]

Measurements and subjective listening go together. I see value in both. It's the people who don't see any value in measurements that get me going.

[@donvittoriosierra]

I am okay with subjective only people when I get the hang of their reviews. What I mean by that is if I actually get to hear the products and their descriptions and enthusiasm aligns with me. The advantage of the technical reviewer with added subjectivity though is that there will just be more information to look at whether its looking at graphs for comparison sake when comparing different speakers on the same rig and room etc but still that has to be taken with a grain of salt as well because there are so many different rooms, different measuring rigs etc... So in the end everyone just has to be honest and we the viewer have to do the work in comparing firsthand with what reviewers say to confirm if we can trust them moving forward.

[@joentell]

I'm ok with subjective reviews. But how many try to pass their opinions off as facts? That's when they cross the line for me. I like to hear people's opinions. That's a human thing. But sometimes I want to see their claims backed up, the way I expect a manufacturer to backup their claims.

[@emmet7208]

@@joentell I experienced a situation where a reviewer, who shall remain nameless, thought a little too much of themselves and their opinion to possibly consider someone else's science based nugget of info. The fact that they were the reviewer meant only they could possibly know what they were talking about, and their opinion was above everyone else's, giving little thought to their audience having auditioned or purchased the equipment. The made a bold claim and defended it stubbornly to the end.

[@mosesr255]

Are we talking about any channel specifically here or just generally? I'm confused, sorry Joe!

[@davewin1792]

Cheap Audio man. NRD, audioholics, Amir.

[@myhometheater7029]

Great video brother. I agree with it all.

[@kennethwilliams4874]

We need more people who have your approach, and not just with audio, but with reviewing generally. There is subjective opinion, and there is evidence. While subjective opinion is not worthless, it's just about worthless. If a reviewer says that a piece of audio equipment is deficient in some parameter, but then does not support that statement with some kind of objective evidence, then of what real use is that statement? Like you said, not everything can be great. A reviewer can point out factual feature points ("This amp has no DAC"), but sometimes the reviewer, rather than simply making a factual statement like that, will convey negativity about the component in general. The most honest opinion is still just an opinion unless it's backed up.

[@seanb3303]

I’m gonna name drop Fresh Hater Jay. I want to see him more in your videos like the UB5 2.0 video.

[@joentell]

You're a real one for knowing that name. 🤣 He did come out a bit in this one, but not in full force without the 😎

[@joes3800]

I watch a lot of different YT channels, so I can imagine who you're referring to. ... That said, specific references to channels and videos would actually help me and others know what exactly you find as the most frustrating examples of fluff or straight-up lies. I also get why you might not want to do that too, but a video like this would be many times more useful if you did provide specific references. For example, I do watch Amir, and he is not afraid to directly cite a manufacturer's claim and (politely) rip it apart, even when it has created controversy. You could kinda do the same thing by at least referencing, if not fully critiquing, various other YT videos... if you want.

[@joentell]

The best defense is to educate yourself. I've cited good reviewers. We all cite the same sources like Dr. Floyd Toole's book on Psychoacoustics. Educate yourself and you'll know who's who. After all, it's not me who's being fooled, it's the viewer.