Great setups, Crappy results, and the reasons why. Take a look

This video will walk you through a small production run of a very simple part with solid setups. Unfortunately, all the parts come out different because the 'Shop Gremlins" saw an opportunity. This video is a bit long, but the summary descriptions of the setups and potential problems reviewed at the end is worth sitting for. Enjoy

[@duobob]

People like to watch chips being made. Most YT creators fill that like. You show us how to make good parts efficiently and on size, knowledge we can take to the clock and to the bank... Thanks for showing us what we REALLY need to know...

[@joepie221]

Its cool to watch big machine chunking away, but I like to provide some theory and knowledge you can grow from. Thank for the comment.

[@TheGazuk]

Total novice here to the world of machining but learning so much from your videos. Please never stop producing them, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[@Metalloys]

33 years a machinist and watched like a kid in kindergarten learning 1+1=2 !

[@mathewmolk2089]

I am an engineer with over 30 behind me and am now retired. Other then design I have also have made my share of chips and have been responsible for others, but .I too watched just like you did This guy is a TRUE machinist. Hate to admit I have been nit in the ass by the collect registration before. More then once TOO!.

[@john90430]

I am not a machinist, and I've never even touched a lathe, but I follow everything you're saying. Well done!

[@brucewebb8749]

Thanks Joe, I'm a 40 year machinist and have been trying to teach a young guy that controlling dims, making good setups and being consistent is half of the battle. Tuesday morning I'm going to set him down and show him this video, I'm sure it will help him become better and maybe start him thinking first to make good parts rather than trying to figure out a fix later.

[@joepie221]

That quite a compliment. I hope enjoys and understands it.

[@ellieprice3396]

Good explanation of common setup problems. One minor point for extreme edge-finder accuracy; when the .200 diameter contacts the part edge and jumps sideways, you're actually .099 from the part center line instead of .100 as commonly practiced. Usually doesn't matter but sometimes it does. Thanks again for your great teaching skills.

[@bcbloc02]

I saw this one coming as floating datums are always bad news. A great video on overlooked problems though!

[@joepie221]

Gotta be careful. Even on simple parts.

[@peteramor9810]

Cheers Joe Yet another great video Been an engineer for just over 50yrs and now finally retired Never too old to learn and I have to say I always learn something from you Keep up the good work and I am looking forward to the next one Pete from the UK

[@joell439]

Thanks Joe for taking the time and energy to share these incredibly valuable tips with the community. Your experience and knowledge is priceless. Glad you got some well deserved r&r after kicking it hard for your customers. Joel.....

[@joepie221]

Thanks. I needed it.

[@Bereft777]

Flipping that rod perpendicular to the vise is a great point. thanks and welcome back sir!

[@aigretbenoit]

This should be the first video any aspiring machinist should see. Great stuff

[@joepie221]

Thanks. I agree.

[@jimmilne19]

For me, one who hasn't had the advantage of formal training, your videos are invaluable! You have really thought things through, are excellent at explaining not only the results, but also the mechanisms behind why things happen, and you present them in a complete way so I have no doubt as to what you meant. Your review and summation at the end of many of your videos, solidifies the material you have presented and answers questions I had not dealt with during the video because I was involved in learning at the time. You are a very good teacher. And, you have helped me improve my machining . . . a lot! Thank you.

[@steveclark..]

Same situation with myself,.....Joe's videos are great, can't thank him enough.

[@joepie221]

Thanks Guys.

[@brucewilliams6292]

Great video! I feel like I've learned so much from your videos that it would be years of working on my own to catch up! Thank you so much!!!

[@joepie221]

Excellent. Thats the plan.

[@katyfox2749]

I learned this trick while working 3rd shift in a production shop , if you're following a 2nd shift operator who hasn't kept track of his O.D. tolerances , measure ALL O.D.'s & group parts according to size . Start with biggest O.D. , set O.A.L. & face to length . Then change length for next sized group , with a 5C collet ; .001 Thou. on O.D. = 0.006 Thou. in length.

[@joepie221]

I hated working second shift. Picking up someone elses trash was a daily task.

[@winklerbees2]

Joe your videos are awesome. My little guy Jacob is a couple months old and we watch your videos together; its our father-son bonding time. I think he's taking it all in. (Start them young) Thanks so much!

[@joepie221]

make sure you load him up on building sets and puzzles. More reasons to spend time together.

[@fredgenius]

You make the world a better place. Thanks Joe.

[@stoparret]

What a great video! Thank you so much! Very few KZbin machinists post videos that are as genuinely insightful. Thanks for making it!

[@rgetso]

My beginner's shop is filled with these types of gremlins which are almost always the result of assuming something or getting in a hurry. I immediately spotted the gremlin of taking two passes instead of three -- I recently got burned by trying to speed up the process with deeper cuts on thinner parts. Seeing how this taper variable affected the collet retract distance is obvious ... once you point it out. I really got a lot out of this video. Thanks, Joe!

[@joepie221]

Excellent.

[@roverinosnarkman7240]

Thanks so much for these videos- I’ve been binge watching, they’re really good. You have the gift of being able to explain the how and the why things are done a certain way....you’re a natural educator. Your sincerity and good nature shines through, thank YOU for sharing. You don’t make viewers feel stupid while you show us good ways of solving common problems. Much appreciated. Two big thumbs for up Mr. Joe Pie!

[@copasetic216]

Funny how the very first operation perpetuated the rest of the job to fail. I typically try to save the easy stuff or something I'm most comfortable with for last, although that usually doesn't work out... Great reminders here and a great video. Good to see you back on the KZbin.

[@joepie221]

Right...This job was doomed before it got to OP 2. Thanks. Good to be back.

[@TreeTop1947]

Having made the same mistake before, I knew the potential problem as soon as you gave + or - .005" on the OD and then proceeded to use a 5C collet with a stop. A really good machinist would have recognized the potential issue before running the parts but I had to learn the hard way! Hopefully you have saved some folks from making this error BEFORE they kill the parts! I really am enjoying your videos, Joe. Old, retired, tool & die maker, TreeTop

[@joepie221]

I am glad you cringed. I was looking for that effect. Thanks for watching.

[@dimitar4y]

"Hey, boss, Shop gremlin" xDDD I LOVE how you do the job WITH the errors completely unmentioned. For a second I didn't even realize what the problem is. More educational materials need to be like that.

[@dimitar4y]

@@kristiandecker7230 go away you autistic parasite. You and your stupid spambot.

[@pcrengnr1]

Joe thx for showing how sneaky one setup is vs another setup. The analysis at the end covered all the gremlins quite well. I'll always remember the length dependence of a diameter in a collet. The takeaway here is think about what problems are inherit in a setup. If you can't change the setup then you have to compensate for each part. Thx again Joe for the insightful and practical tips and your time in producing the video.

[@Redmech80]

Another great video. I pick up so many great tips that I wasn’t even thinking I’d learn when I start each production. Thanks

[@bvcxzgt5451]

Wow. This is brilliant. Excellent method of demonstrating lots of problems, their sources, and their solutions. Wow.

[@TroubledTimes2024]

Another simple to understand yet exceptional video Joe, thank you.

[@robwalmsley8235]

Joe you have a gift for relaying information clearly and in an engaging way... every video you spew out great nuggets of practical useful info ...cant thank you enough....love from 🇬🇧

[@OldSweetTed]

Thanks, Joe! I'm a woodworker with similar problem scenarios, and I can apply these lessons in my work, too!

[@ryanr2n2yc]

seriously thank you, im just a home hobbyist but i always try to run my best parts. i would have been the new guy going to the boss to ask why all my parts are different. not anymore in this case. thanks joe. you definitely have a new fan

[@joepie221]

Excellent. Thanks.

[@markmccornack7983]

Hi Joe. These videos are a real treasure. This one was especially good food for thought. I realize you take time out of your shop production to do these (when you could be making money on the job), so thanks again. I’m learning a ton!

[@anthonymarande8361]

Thank you!! most of your info. goes over my level of skill , however I still learn so much each video I watch !!

[@snowiethetoolguy]

Thanks Joe you're a great teacher. Ive been making swarf 20 years and still pickup the odd tip from your videos.

[@joepie221]

Good to hear

[@chrisj4570g]

MOST excellent! I'd love more videos like this. Showing how to do something is great, but showing why something failed and how to avoid it is awesome!

[@peterzwart2830]

Joe, that was another great subject, logically arranged. Now I know why I sometimes couldn't make equal parts. How glad I am that you have the gift to explain it so neatly, now all your videos are educational. Thanks for your effort

[@mikestabile0526]

thanks Joe- awesome explanation! as a hobby machinish I've experienced many of these gremlins. this video is immensely helpful

[@pkerekes]

that was great, well explained, very educational, thank you, we need more insight and technics like this video, keep up the great work!

[@lornie212]

Thank you Joe for taking the time to make these videos...... You taught me to perform a more careful setup!!

[@sanjaysami4315]

This channel is just such a fabulous resource ! Thank you Joe, for all the work you put into these videos !

[@joepie221]

Thanks for your support and comments.

[@clivemilne7787]

Yep... one of the better channels on youtube. fwiw) The best way to support channels like this is to hit the like button, subscribe and also hit the bell and select "all" ~2c

[@tacitus101010]

Brilliant video. I love the way you put this together, showing each setup without mentioning the problems first, then coming back to analyse everything later. Thanks very much for making this!

[@joepie221]

It shows invisible gremlins that could really ruin your day.

[@thomasweinbrenner2092]

2à

[@jasincolegrove6651]

I’ve learned a lot over the years from others and some by mistake. But this type of video is a pleasure to watch. Thank you very much

[@joepie221]

Thanks for watching.

[@georgelewisray]

One of the best machine tool teaching videos ever !!! thanks yet again.

[@joepie221]

Thanks. Its real world stuff.

[@alexvonbosse5090]

As always, very valuable advice! Thanks for sharing and keep up your great work!

[@jeffreyblankley]

I wish I had you when I was an apprentice!! I’ve been in the trade for 38 years and have had Some crabby, crusty guys that were more like a dictator than a mentor. You are definitely the latter. I vowed to myself to share my knowledge with the younger guys because they are the future of this trade.

[@joepie221]

Unfortunately, knowledge is about the only thing 'you can take with you' when you go. Why not spread it around and help someone before that time comes. I've worked with those insecure, paranoid, crusty old guys and never enjoyed it. They are usually worried you'll steal their jobs.

[@billthomas6833]

I really enjoy learning from your videos. I recently bought an old Harrison M400 lathe and a Summit mill for my hydraulic shop. Most of my jobs are building new chrome rods that people bend using their 30hp Tractor as a D5. Turn the end down and cut some threads. I did get to chase a 5.75" nut with a buttress thread the other day. I had to make the tool holder and grind a piece of HS steel to get the job done. Certainly appreciate your time producing these videos.

[@russelllee8220]

Another great video, I did get three of the gremlins, because I had them happen and had to ask my journeyman how to fix them. As always Thanks for the information and for the time you spend getting everything set up and putting them out.

[@Legalmachinist]

An excellent instructional video. I learned a lot. Thank you Joe!

[@jackbonanno8186]

A lot of great advice on that one some I would have never thought of, the idea of using another part or same diameter in the other side of the vice I've done for thirty years, didn't learn that it just seemed like a good idea at the time. Another great video Joe, you are truly a great instructor and insperation.

[@joepie221]

Thank you very much. Glad it was helpful!

[@patrickmoore5508]

Hi Joe. Always enjoy your videos and learned a lot from you. Being semi retired from an engineering career - earlier as a toolmaker/production machinist at an advanced level - and later as a manufacturing and mechanical design engineer...enjoyed how you explained everything (and tested the viewers). You are a terrific teacher and the viewers are lucky to have you.

[@joepie221]

Thanks for the compliment.

[@perrannormanshire8783]

Hey Joe, Really enjoy watching your videos. I am an apprentice engineer/machinist and your videos have really helped me out. I have even taught my boss a few things that I've learnt from you, especially your video about setting precise angles. Keep up the great work.

[@tobydulanski9480]

Thank you Joe for demonstrating the variables in machining 101. This is a valuable lesson that I have tried to explain to others in the past. Now I can just send them this great video you made that’s perfectly illustrated with explanations of why. Straight, Flat, Perpendicular, Cylindrical And Parallel down the line equals good parts. 👍

[@ChrisB257]

Lots of useful things to consider Joe - good video.

[@mrfrog3350]

Great vid as always Joe!Thanks for posting,and have a nice,safe Memorial Day!

[@michaelburke5750]

Fantastic videos Joe, keep up the great work!

[@richardmckay5102]

Another excellent topic . Very often overlooked Well done Joe

[@dolata000]

Glad to see ya back, Good info as always,

[@FredMiller]

Outstanding video! Thanks for taking the time to educate us. Great info! Fred

[@joepie221]

Thank you

[@alleznape]

Great vid. Never thought about diameter affecting finished length with a collet. Makes perfect sense when pointed out.

[@urgamecshk]

alleznape it's very dramatic if you even adjust the draw bar

[@pamedeo]

Honestly, that is the only part of the video that puzzles me: It's obvious the influence of the difference in diameter when using a stop on a turret/tailstock (e.g. turret lathes, screw machines, etc.). But, either you're displacing the stop (therefore, you're getting parts longer and longer during the production run), something possible with that type of stops, held in place only by a set screw, or the stops holds up properly and the collet jaws slide slightly on the part, when it bottoms to the stop.

[@mirager3873]

as always great video joe. thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@bustednuckles2]

Thank you for this. As a relative neophyte to machine work I have just learned something that took other people years to figure out in the time it took to watch this video.

[@EmmaRitson]

as always, learned a lot. thanks for taking the time Joe.

[@joepie221]

I enjoyed shooting this one. Had it in mind for a while. Didn't you win the toolbox a while back??

[@EmmaRitson]

thats me. I might even meet you at the Bash, if you make it.. keep these coming, I usually watch all the way though...

[@joepie221]

Good Morning ( Texas Time ) My presence at the Bash is still up in the air at the moment. I have been invited. Thanks for commenting and taking the time to watch these. Much appreciated. Congrats on the box.

[@jeffryblackmon4846]

Really good info! I never thought of how much could go wrong. Many thanks.

[@joepie221]

A bunch of things could chase you on a small job like this. Start tight, end right.

[@TactlessWookie]

As always a great video Joe. Thank you. I learned a bunch.

[@alexvonbosse5090]

I got the eerie feeling that the hair on the back of my neck was standing up from like you were standing behind me and watching every mistake I made and then compiling it into this video. Your explanation of things going wrong during machining hit the nail on the head! Thanks for sharing and keep up your great work!

[@joepie221]

Some reasons are just not obvious. I'm glad this gave you something to think about.

[@baronvonrichards8376]

Just found your channel and as a retired machinist/toolmaker you have already taught me something I didn't know after 40 years of cranking handles. Fixing to set up a mini-shop at home and I'll be sure to tune in and search your knowledge base regularly. (That is one thing I really miss about machine shop; a good machinist always willing to help make a better machinist.) THANKS!!!

[@joepie221]

Glad to help.

[@JonesAndGriesmann]

Great video Joe, Please don't stop making them.

[@brendanrice6795]

Joe, I'm an engineering student but took 2 years of manual and CNC classes at the community college before I started engineering school. Your videos remind me of lectures back then. I miss being in the shop! Thank you for the tips

[@ScottGMerritt]

Excellent again, Joe. Thanks a billion!

[@rcflyingisfun]

An eye opener to say the least, time very well spent. Thanks!

[@joepie221]

So many different thing contributed to the failure. Its good to have a reference list.

[@cavemansmancave9025]

Good stuff, Joe. I've experienced some of those myself and couldn't quite see the mistakes. Attention to detail. Thanks, John

[@couldbanyone9318]

Great video, really appreciate your work and delivery. Keep em coming.

[@joepie221]

Thanks, will do!

[@rogerrascal8632]

Brilliant and simple as usual thanks Joe !

[@johnmcdonnell6109]

Another great lesson Joe. Thanks!

[@coleenlofgren6385]

Joe; You are fantastic !! Thanks for sharing Mark

[@davestrong6472]

MM ? Not a friend.......nice to see you back.

[@joepie221]

Once upon a time.

[@michaelriehl7206]

Thanks. 35 yrs machine builder, retired. Brought back great memories of trying fig things out in the early days.

[@joepie221]

All you need to do is look. The answer is already there. Buried, but already there.

[@bsteleven]

Joe you keep on talking and I keep on learning. THANKS!!!!

[@TXShelbyman]

Great video Joe! Really makes me examine every step of a job. I am a hobbyist and this video was extremely helpful.

[@craigs5212]

I learn something new every day. Thanks

[@ellieprice3396]

Very helpful instruction. One tip about edge finders for very accurate use. Even high quality tools with lapped surfaces sometimes stick and refuse to jump over consistently. To help this problem separate the mating parts slightly and add a drop of light oil. Also, once the end jumps over, even slightly, you've already moved over half the diameter for the tool. For .200 dia. tools move your table .1995 for improved accuracy.

[@fordtruck193]

Awesome vid Joe! Like you said, once you're shown what went wrong, it makes perfect sense. I did think of a vee block before you mentioned it. Machining a vee block was one of my first assignments in 10th grade machine shop back in 1980. That's when I fell in love with a beauty named Bridgeport.Thanks for posting! :-)

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hi Joe, I was enjoying you were constantly moving the reference point to get further away from the goal... ;) It's one of the first things we learn in school, keep your reference at one point and keep it there... Very good video on the subject and very well structured... Cheers, Pierre

[@jim6265]

Knowledge! More knowledge! Great videos and learning a lot from them, thanks!!

[@finnrock5558]

This was fascinating! Thank you for explaining it so clearly and thoroughly.

[@joepie221]

Glad it was helpful!

[@aconitum158]

WoW! That was great. I never paid much attention before, but this is right on the money!

[@paulmorrey733]

Brilliant Joe - Love your videos Thanks for sharing

[@johnware5312]

In two words --- EXCELLENT demo...

[@aldimmett]

Thanks Joe for the lesson. Being a newbee I need videos like this.

[@arborvitian]

Happy to say I watched this for the second time, a few months later, and spotted all the problems. You're doing a real service and I hope your wolf spider makes you a billionaire lol

[@tomherd4179]

Really great information. Being retired and a hobby machinist I have yet to make more than one or two parts: BUT thanks to your information I will be able to improve making one or two parts! Thanks, thanks, thanks!

[@fpreston9527]

I'm new to machining . you have explained these points and it all makes perfect sense.

[@joepie221]

They are applicable across the board. Keep the problems and solutions in your book of knowledge.

[@prairiemountaineer]

Thanks again Joe for another very informative video.

[@cjl76]

That was superb. Work holding can be easily overlooked, especially by the novice machinist. Thank you.

[@benkeller3]

Thanks for this one... Made me think about setups much more.

[@wiremonkeyshop]

I learn so much from you, Joe! Thanks.

[@onlooker251]

I've learnt something useful tonight watching this video - Thanks for explains these issues so well

[@joepie221]

Thank you

[@jonsand1]

Fantastic example of compounding errors. Thank you Joe!

[@joepie221]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@craigspicer4296]

Gee i am a hobby machinist and i know have a new found respect for tool shop machinist. Another great video Joe and i am loving the content.

[@dominus124]

Great info. Thank you for the lesson!

[@chopthesheep90]

As a young machinist that's only been in the trade 10 years I'm enthusiastic about it and always looking to learn something (even in my off time). I sincerely appreciate an old head that's willing to share his experience and knowledge. I try to absorb as much as I can about the why and how and a lot of experienced guys don't want to share with the younger generation. Keep it up, there are those of us young guys that want to be proud of what we do. Thanks again!

[@joepie221]

Glad to help.

[@anthonythomas3231]

Lots of food for thought there Joe. Thank you.