Two sayings come to mind:- "We learn more from things that go wrong, than we do from things that go right." and "The man who never made a mistake, never made anything."
@N1gel2 жыл бұрын
Thinking ahead. In the years to come, when you start to update your miniture vintage machinery shop, you will then be able to make a little Tig welder on a trolly and then you will be able to repair that job in progress if you can still find your loop. Thanks Joe.
@ngauge222 жыл бұрын
I love watching you deal with these tiny parts. Unfortunate things happens. You have quite a following. You posted this video and within 4 hours received 900 likes and over 3.5K views - that's impressive.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
My analytics say that almost half of the people that view my material are not subscribed. I plan to run an experiment and see if thats true. Hold tight for some uncharacteristic thumbnails.
@russelldold48272 жыл бұрын
Sorry for your trauma. There will always be a place for hand operations! Wishing my American friends a safe Thanksgiving. Blessings from South Africa.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@billmckillip15612 жыл бұрын
This is a great series for learning work holding, order of operations and other strategies for making parts accurately and efficiently - thanks, Joe.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thinking ahead can really save time.
@dagorithe2 жыл бұрын
It’s half that in mine. Here in Ohio. Glad to see that the old timers still make mistakes. Makes us new comers to machining appreciate the effort it goes into making parts. Reinforcing that we need patience…speaking from personal experience.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It won't happen again, I assure you that.
@MadeInGreatBritain2 жыл бұрын
Oh Joe! My heart sank! Nice job on the survivor though!!!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@angelramos-20052 жыл бұрын
Beautiful piece and quite a lesson.You can not push nature beyond its limits.You decide where those limits are.Thank you Joe.
@marcialescalante16002 жыл бұрын
I always make these delicate pieces with a file, after having broken several I learned the lesson. Excellent job!!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I'll change the process just a bit.
@garychaplin98612 жыл бұрын
Great video, owning the mishap, no excuses. Gives hope to those of us who do this on a regular basis.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Live and learn. Just don't repeat.
@richardbennett60532 жыл бұрын
Amazing work Joe I learn as much from your videos as I did from the wonderful tool and die maker who taught me some too many years ago. Thanks
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Pass it on.
@davidbawden65672 жыл бұрын
It's so good to see a master at work....
@courier11sec2 жыл бұрын
Heartbreak! Thanks as always for sharing your work. This is a good illustration of how challenging working in such scale is and testament to your skill when you pull it off. Take care.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I like challenges.
@stratocaster1greg2 жыл бұрын
Glad to know Im not the only one trashing parts. You do real nice work. Thanks Joe.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I do it once in a while so I don't forget how it feels. :)
@Zircon102 жыл бұрын
That is a hugely sinking feeling when a part rides up over the tool. Usually happens to me with brass, so I wouldn’t have anticipated that with steel. For small parts like that I’ve learned that a file is often my best (if slow) friend. Sure cute and drop dead gorgeous how the one handle turned out! 👍👍👍
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
At least the video could be composed.
@Zircon102 жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 Indeed, with some editing taking place!!
@stanhobbs52922 жыл бұрын
Woukd love to see a video on the preparation of some of the form tools you use especially creating accurate radii using a bench grinder.
@Radiotexas2 жыл бұрын
Me too Joe!
@Rondawg602 жыл бұрын
Joe, you are an amazing machinist. Your attention to detail is absolutely incredible. I love the pop up about the clip may hurt a machinist's heart, I think all who were watching felt your pain. I too have found (Unfortunately not just recently) a place for 'Very Colorful Expletives' in my shop. For some reason it does help for as very short time but it does HELP...lol I keep telling myself that, and then repair/replace the part i just had the misfortune of ruining. Please don't stop, you are an amazing resource for some of the most detailed and proven processes. We have the pleasure of learning something new with each of your videos. I would like to take this moment to say THANK YOU!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Thats very flattering. I'm happy to share this stuff.
@hughobrien41392 жыл бұрын
It hits right in the heart to see Joe Pi have struggles. I guess we all deserve them.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Keeps us humble.
@claeswikberg89582 жыл бұрын
thanks for showing how its done and how its not, equally valuable lessons
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. Just be sure to remember both.
@CraigLYoung2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👍 We've all been there.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It reality in full color.
@MikelNaUsaCom2 жыл бұрын
it's 29 F @ 1230pm, where I'm standing. 52F would be so nice right now... =D Love the videos. Thanks for sharing your time with us!
@TomokosEnterprize2 жыл бұрын
-22C here in BC Canada.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
You Guys win.
@geneard6392 жыл бұрын
I was watching and expecting you to do something like stick some square stock in the broached hole and wrap a support around it. There can't be more than 1/64th of an inch of metal in those corners.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
A plug would have probably worked.
@multirole2402 жыл бұрын
Thank you Joe for being honest enough to show what can happen even to the best of the best.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Many thanks.
@MHolt35732 жыл бұрын
Joe Pie the definition of a true machinist.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Many thanks. Its been a life long passion since 1975
@cannon4402 жыл бұрын
Holy Crap, Joe Pie is HUMAN!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Shhh, Don't tell anyone.
@lucasdominguezandamoyo62452 жыл бұрын
Great work. Thanks for sharing.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
My pleasure.
@farmalltomf2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done Joe. A wise man once told me that if you aren't making any mistakes, you are not doing anything. I can't wait to see all of these miniatures setup on a board for display!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It would be a fantastic wall mounted display.
@farmalltomf2 жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 Agreed. Looking forward to it!
@mith51682 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much.
@rohrertech88822 жыл бұрын
Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want... Take it in stride and try again. Always a shame to see a good part go flying, but at least you got it on camera, so maybe some of us can learn from your pain and not have to learn the hard way. Thanks for sharing!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
There was value in it.
@angelopedro22232 жыл бұрын
Would have loved a lesson on creating those form tools
@4GSR2 жыл бұрын
Ouch! I hope Santa Elves are not disappointed just getting one crank instead of two for their shaper for their workshop.😊
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
They'll have 2 by lunchtime today. ( maybe 3 )
@davidberlanny33082 жыл бұрын
Bad luck Joe, those pieces are just so small. The completed one looks great. Thanks for showing us what happened and the analysis in the outro. 52°F must be something like 10 1/10°C. Cold and snowy down our way too. Good luck from Spain!!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. I hope the final assembly is up to par.
@TQPDiY2 жыл бұрын
perfect . I like the way you do it
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@CreaseysWorkshop2 жыл бұрын
Haha thanks for the chuckle. It happens to the master that makes us apprentices feel a bit better.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks John. Thats exactly why I did it. :)
@voodoochild19542 жыл бұрын
Joe that just reassures us common folk that you are indeed human. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you too!
@ChazzC2 жыл бұрын
Cuff Links rather than a pendant? Very brave to share, Joe.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
To go along with my miniature gold micrometer tie bar. Perfect.
@bruceanderson94612 жыл бұрын
I take solace in youtubers having catastrophic events as well as dropping nuts, bolts and wrenches as they assemble or disassemble projects. It makes me feel somewhat normal as I do that and worse in my projects. Just recovering project wise and mentally from not taking the edge finder .100 thousands into consideration on a involved part. Thanks for including these events into your videos as it helps us amateurs keep on keeping on. Have a great Thanksgiving!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I did a belt tensioner and serpentine belt on my truck this weekend. I dropped an acorn nut that hit something and was never to be seen again. Like the automotive black hole.
@minbannister36252 жыл бұрын
There is so much for an amateur (me) to learn here, many thanks.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
We should learn everyday.
@timmienorrie2 жыл бұрын
Joe, I feel bad about the accidental breakage but the finished article is a work of art. It is really beautiful. Thanks for sharing.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it. It almost looks real.
@russellmcclenning96072 жыл бұрын
Thank you Joe for another great video .
@TomokosEnterprize2 жыл бұрын
You never cease to amaze me my friend. Neat how you dealt with that burr. OOPS, Seeing that piece try and head to the moon really does give a fella that feeling of doom. It really can dull a fellas day. With all the tiny things you make I am surprised it doesn't happen more often. Esp with brass. Really cold you say. It is -22C here. I thought that was warm, LOL. Take care Joe, See you soon my friend.
@christurley3912 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video Joe.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
You bet.
@outsidescrewball2 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed….great discussion/demonstration/build along with “RIP”
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Greetings Chuck. Thanks for stopping by.
@graemebrumfitt66682 жыл бұрын
Rite Joe, you could put the part in some resin then make a frame and sell it on ebay or other such sites bet it'd go for a few bucks, I'd bid on it but getting it over here would probably cost an arm and a leg! I've had a few woodwork projects go this way, just putting the last cut on and BOOM no more bowl/vase 😭Great vid as always Dude stay safe n well. TFS, GB :)
@joeziegler90542 жыл бұрын
Another awesome video Joe! I now you heart sank when this happened I feel your pain. It happens we regroup and go again. Thanks for sharing these projects and your skills with us. If I don't see you again before Thursday Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Yep, major exhale.
@terrybailey27692 жыл бұрын
You are not so proud that you are afraid of showing your mistakes. it happens to the best engineers, excellent video, thank you Joe.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Though I don't mind making the occasional mistake, I do enjoy analyzing why.
@benkeller32 жыл бұрын
A good video might be grinding a wee form tool like you used. I would learn from it.
@tonywilson47132 жыл бұрын
And so would the rest of us. I believe Joe has done that before on one of the other models or on one of his "How To" vids. Another person to check for form tools is Stefan Gotteswinter. If you search "grinding a form tool" you'll several people worth watching these include clickspring, oxtoolco and joe
@benkeller32 жыл бұрын
@@tonywilson4713 Stefan is also very good.
@tonywilson47132 жыл бұрын
@@benkeller3 As is Robin Renzetti, but he hasn't done anything for a while. Another good channel on precision grinding is Suburban Tool.
@samrodian9192 жыл бұрын
Oh Joe, I'm so sorry, when is the funeral so that we can send flowers ?
@eyuptony2 жыл бұрын
That was interesting Joe doing the broaching one corner at a time and the hand ground form tools. Shame about the mishap, like you say, all that work. Tony
@mperry90252 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe
@dlstanf22 жыл бұрын
Love your mastery of the miniature parts. Even the heartbreaks, a part of life, but still ouch!!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Just a miniature ouch.
@danielfilion2252 жыл бұрын
The only ones that don't screw up are the ones that do nothing. BHeautiful job Joe
@rallymax22 жыл бұрын
Thanks for answering my magnification question. Passed on to the family for Christmas ideas.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Glad to help.
@rallymax22 жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 you’re an influencer! I installed a Vertex HV-10 on my Bridgeport on the weekend as an early Christmas present. I see how well it works for you and couldn’t imagine managing with a smaller 6 or 8 as you typically see with KZbinrs. Next I’ll be grinding up your go-to facing and turning tool!
@benchapman52472 жыл бұрын
Top marks on your audio improvements Joe, makes a good video even better. I nuked 5 hours of work with one 2 second brain fade on the weekend so I feel your pain!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I will slowly improve over the next couple weeks.
@123Shel122 жыл бұрын
My deepest condolences about the ruined part, but otherwise you’ve given us another great video. It appears that making the larger parts was only a warmup for the smallest ones. Can’t wait to see your next video!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Hang in there. Coming soon.
@toddz85792 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about the split bushing you used to hold the main part of the lever perfectly concentric in the the lathe. Did you mill the interior of the two parts of the bushing to match the profile of the lever?
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It was a step bore. One diameter for the small ball and one for the center.
@PaulSteMarie2 жыл бұрын
Damn, that hurts. I think i would be tempted to start it with the broached hole and the flats, and then remove material from the end and work back towards towards the other end, so you're always cutting fully supported material.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It was almost done that way. When putting the final radius on, the square area strength never crossed my mind.
@borderm32 жыл бұрын
Good job and cheers for taking that one on the chin like a man!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I really don't mind breaking the part, but its the setback and time involved. I don't enjoy stepping backwards when doing anything.
@peterpocock90622 жыл бұрын
Joe, love the new slick intro, well done. I loved your hint about feeding in the cutter from the end and not the side, I'll be putting that little trick in my repertoire, thanks. Pity about the little stuff up, I know exactly how you feel. I gues we would not call ourselves machinists if we had no mishaps like that. The upside of the downers is we (well I know I do) just get a bit better at what we do!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks on the intro comment. I really like it too.
@colincreedtattoomachines2 жыл бұрын
The finished part came out great, Congrats!! As for the broken one, think of it more as the "prototype", allowing you to complete the finished version. Had you NOT re-evaluated after the prototype failed & pursued the same way for the second, then THAT would've been the FAIL.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It would have also halted the release of this video.
@JonDingle2 жыл бұрын
That is very fine engineering indeed.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@Bob_Jones_2 жыл бұрын
very cool... lol the pendent from the dead piece is funny
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Ear rings maybe.
@oregonexpat2 жыл бұрын
Hey Joe, probably a dumb question, from a non-machinist. I noticed that the formtool gave a very nice finish, Would it not be possible to flip the form tool, and run the lathe in reverse to make the cut? Then the shape achieved would be symmetrical, and do away with the filing.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Yes. Still a sequence issue.
@hemanthharrilall58782 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love your videos. Thank you
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc2 жыл бұрын
This is good practice for the 19 ball handles on the quorn tool an cutter grinder!!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Ouch. That thought hurts my brain.
@MatthewTinker-au-pont-blanc2 жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 Well, a Quorn build would get you a huge following!
@jhawker28952 жыл бұрын
Even the Pro's fumble once in a while ... Thanks for Sharing .... Stay Safe, Well and Warm ...
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you too!
@markshort90982 жыл бұрын
I had the copper tip out of a soldering iron that was to fat and needed thinning down bite and bend last week, luckily it didn't break and i was able to straighten it because i didn't have material to make another and it was a job for a mate and he needed it for work the next morning.. it always sux when mr bozo shows up
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Always without an invitation.
@ianhand48452 жыл бұрын
Bugga!! But the master is still the master! Thanks for your work and educating humble mortals
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that, I'm a little more humble today myself.
@billmcleangunsmith2 жыл бұрын
Did you make that little broach for the square hole or did you buy it?
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Made it. Go check out this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/r6aTY4WCpdaSgZI
@mikeburston94272 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe 😢. Just wondering if there is a reason that you didn't make the form tools to be inverted and do one side of the ball turning in reverse
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Depth of cut. I'll do it that way on the replacement and finish the tit with a file. Lower load.
@mikeburston94272 жыл бұрын
@@joepie221 it would make a good followup video to give others a look at how to use the reverse tool method to get around these sort of issues. i am looking forward to the day you have all of these finished and show us them all working from the overhead running off the steam engine, reminds me of the old shearing shed as a kid
@Unrivaledanime2 жыл бұрын
Happy Thanksgiving Joe.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Same to you!
@richb4192 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe, I'm surprised that you didn't use a form tool or file on the back end of the lever before you parted it off. by the way when I got up this morning it was 9 degrees here in Chicago land, 50 would have felt like an Indian summer. Nice video as usual! Rich
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I did it that way before, but I'll certainly do it that way next time.
@chuckinwyoming85262 жыл бұрын
No ball of fun.....Joe gets cranky when he messes up a part! But a great video!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I was just a 'little' cranky on this one.
@noelhenderson73372 жыл бұрын
10 C in my shop. 😀 I have a Stanfield shirt on under mt shop coat. It's a balmy minus 5 C between the house and the shop
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Fire up the heaters.
@TrPrecisionMachining2 жыл бұрын
good video joe
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thank You.
@keithaj19832 жыл бұрын
I would be happy to weld that back up for you Joe, it's fixable.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I bet it would fall apart if I tried to reestablish the square. I know a guy who welds under a B&L microscopic scope. It probably is possible. Would cost about $500.
@KevinWoodsWorkshop2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes small parts can take a lot of work compared to larger parts as you know but Nice looking part in the end.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Certainly a different bag of considerations.
@petermoore95042 жыл бұрын
You should have followed the breakage with an upbeat sponsorship message as in Alex Steele's video where Will drops his power hammer. Cheers for showing the bad as well as the good.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Or a Kleenex ad for absorbing tears.
@taranson30572 жыл бұрын
I use Blue Magic Metal Polish and it works great. It cost roughly $14 for 7oz but a little bit goes a long way.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It sure does. I love the product.
@claytondennis80342 жыл бұрын
Not to make light of it, but it's nice to see that you are indeed fallible from time-to-time. Great video Joe!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Never saw it coming. I'll never forget the reason why.
@HM-fn2xe2 жыл бұрын
Another informative video…well done Joe
@metalmill522 жыл бұрын
Another great video, thanks Joe!
@theundergroundesd2 жыл бұрын
Maybe do a video on making the tooling? Good job. Keep up the good work
@theundergroundesd2 жыл бұрын
Did you get the wooden wedges I sent you?
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Yes. Quite a variety. Thank you.
@richardcranium58392 жыл бұрын
i cant help but think the artifact left from the parting tool is what caught. facing that off might have helped.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Possibly.
@jimpaquet37702 жыл бұрын
Awesome information always like to watch 😊
@davemoeller21012 жыл бұрын
It's all good. Happy Thanksgiving from Dave's Machine shop . Chattaroy WA. 8 deg. This morning no heat in my shop 😭 headed out for a while.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Same to you!
@Tasarran Жыл бұрын
Can't argue with your results, but I wonder why you didn't put some kind of support under the part while you were broaching?
@jimrichey59192 жыл бұрын
52?... I would kill for that.. it's 7° in mine right now.. Love the vids from northern Montana
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
7 in the shop means dad is on the couch watching a movie.
@sharg02 жыл бұрын
Well things happen. The skilled machinist looks into it learns/verifies what happened and moves on. The bad ones blames "something/someone else" and will repeat it.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Just don't do it twice.
@jerseyjoe26842 жыл бұрын
Good analysis of the failure, Joe. As much as it hurts, it happens to the best of us , good Ol' Murphy. 👍 🦅 🇺🇸 🦅
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
My Father used to say " If it can happen it will....and usually does" Hi Pop, miss ya. :)
@Preso582 жыл бұрын
I'm astonished that the handle survived the broaching process! And the rest, as they say, is hysterical.... I mean, history. 😂
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Hi Mark. Its a very sharp tool and soft steel. Only the first bite is heavy. .098 hole, .080 square broach.
@Raymond.Butler2 жыл бұрын
I am just trying to learn about machining and I almost hit the floor. This is a much more sensitive trade than I ever thought.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It really is. Its artistic and analytical. You don't have to heavy hand everything like people may think. Finesse is your friend.
@marksturgis35362 жыл бұрын
Ouch, that hurt.
@josephpavelich43272 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t it have been easier to make the part out of square bar stock ? Do the hole and the broach . Put centers in the bar and the machine the diameters on the the lathe then part and hand finish the ends.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Interesting thought.
@mikepelelo56572 жыл бұрын
That's a dang shame. How come those things always happen at the end? Better luck on the replacement piece. Thanks for another great video Joe.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
I really wish they would happen sooner. That was an expensive little part.
@transistor7542 жыл бұрын
Oh dear never mind the breakage... Beautiful work,,,,, Thank you for the info on using a broach... so it's not done once you push the broach though? I.e. one should use an under size broach and "shape the hole" to its final size? One really needs DRO.... cold hands? Warn your wife!
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Pick a broach size that just fits the pilot hole to reduce the risk of bending or breaking the part off then walk the table around to get the size you need. My broach was .08 across and the hole was .098. As for the cold hands, she wouldn't appreciate the sharing at all.
@janneaaltonen7366 Жыл бұрын
Joe I think you should get yourself a schaublin 70 with a hand-turning rest for stuff like this
@4n2earth222 жыл бұрын
Still got both eyes and eight fingers and two thumbs and most of your blood? It's all good my friend, it is all still good.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
There is always somebody worse off. Stay focused on the positive.
@DrDelvan2 жыл бұрын
Oh no, that hurt me deep down, I can't imagine how bad it was for you. Thanks for including the gristly parts though, life happens.
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Definitely a setback.
@bcwoods3602 жыл бұрын
How is the first tool bit ground? The geometry that is
@DoorKnocker2 жыл бұрын
Amateur/hobby machinist here. Would it be faster and more accurate to drill and ream holes into the form tool blank on the mill then mill away the flats rather than creating it on a grinder?
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
Only the tool was done on the grinder and it didn't have the capability to make the holes since the part was spinning. Did I misunderstand the question?
@billchiasson20192 жыл бұрын
Don’t want to add insult to injury, but it looks like the surviving part has a crack it the corner of the square?? Or is that just the camera playing tricks! Great video! Sorry the mishap “ shit happens”
@joepie2212 жыл бұрын
It drops onto the radius. It does make it look that way.