The Dangers of Reintroducing Wolves to Colorado

Taken from JRE #1955 w/Cliff Gray:
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[@Stranger_In_The_Alps]

Wolves are vicious. There was this one time a poor little girl almost got eaten. Unfortunately it got her grandma before a brave woodman saved her. There was another time a mean wolf destroyed homes by blowing them down.

[@boriskohnson3006]

These homes you speak of mustn’t of had proper tiedown or bracing. And what method of blowing were the wolves using? The huff n puff method or?

[@spockboy]

I heard about that. Bloody awful animals.

[@seafoam6119]

@@boriskohnson3006 I won’t tell you by the hair on my chinny chin chin.

[@chadmann2724]

I remember a wolf that scared the ever living shit out of puss in boots

[@LSRepts]

You know what else kills a lot of children, much more so than wolves? Pitbull's.

[@hittjett]

I spent 20 years as an outfitter in the Yellowstone wilderness. The wolves and I came to Yellowstone the same year. The changes that they brought to that ecosystem were nothing short of miraculous. Yellowstone went from being a feedlot for elk to a thriving ecosystem with 50% fewer coyotes. The beaver, the vegetation, and all the songbirds returned. I would have never believed the transformation I witnessed if I hadn't seen it for myself.

[@gbhnjmkiol]

Tell me you're talking out of your ass without even telling me lmfaoo 🤡🤡

[@younggarden_]

😊😊

[@autumndh]

How Jet…..explain

[@hittjett]

@@autumndh it was pretty simple. They brought balance to the ecosystem. They killed the excess coyotes and elk, and then the vegetation returned. In turn, this provided habitat for the beaver and songbirds. Once the balance to the ecosystem was restored, the wolf numbers diminished, and everything began to work in harmony, as it had for millions of years before we came and removed the apex predator.

[@Captain_Yami_Sukehiro]

@Bud Ridenour its ni different than doing controlled wildfure burns it looks destructive but in a year or 2 it will be flourishing instead of a bunch of dead grass

[@shootthemoon6072]

I think reintroducing grizzly bear to California would fix alot of our idiocy problems in this country.

[@zac.s]

We don't need cocaine bear 2.0

[@scottcantdance804]

You would need them in the cities.

[@Aohhmadone]

@@zac.s Hollyweird Cocaine bears 2.0😂

[@norwegianblue2017]

Definitely fix the homeless problem. Urban grizzlies FTW!

[@AB-qt4dj]

Brilliant idea. Colorado should do the same. No grizzlies since 1976.

[@ianperez5122]

Wolves are insane. There was one that blew down like 10 houses

[@jerryrice8507]

10 houses is not that bad

[@paranoid2867]

i heard it was 20…

[@garse70]

😂 huffed and puffed

[@MarkTwain-z6y]

You made me laugh out loud

[@jsmith8646]

Yeah he was the Peado Wolf that got caught stalking some girl wearing red, they put a GPS collar on him after that.

[@bobsmith2637]

I live in western Alberta, my area is a mix of farmland, ranches and forest. None of the large predators were ever eradicated out here, and we still have healthy populations of grizzlies, black bears, cougars and wolves. They do sometimes kill livestock and pets but life goes on, it's just the way things are, predators will be predators. People still manage to hunt, fish, camp, hike and enjoy other outdoor pursuits, you just have to take precautions when you're out and understand that you're in the wild, even if it's just on the outskirts of town. Encounters happen but attacks on humans are rare, especially from wolves. A lot of people don't realize how common they are or how far these predators range east of the mountains, there are wolves and black bears in the Wabamun area (less than 50 miles west of Edmonton) and grizzlies not much farther west. Wolves have even recolonized Elk Island National Park on their own, this is to the east of Edmonton, in the middle of settled farmland, and this population will likely expand farther south in the future. I probably wouldn't have voted to reintroduce wolves to Colorado but with a healthy population in Wyoming it was probably only a matter of time before they found their way south again. This won't be the end of the world for the locals, they'll just have to adjust a bit and learn how to live with wolves in their area again.

[@coffeeortea547]

What does the adjustment broadly look like? On the top of my head, I'm guessing fencing up farmland, making sure stables and barns and whatnot are more secure. Like Joe said, pet cats and dogs probably can't roam around anymore. Maybe hikes and campers will have to carry like a shotgun for protection. Is it mostly stuff like that?

[@bobsmith2637]

@@coffeeortea547 pretty much that, don't leave trash and food outside, watch your pets more closely, have guard animals for livestock, and just accept that occasionally losing an animal to predators is part of life and not the end of the world. Carrying bear spray is definitely a good idea and guns have their place in predator deterrence, but I wouldn't go so far as saying that carrying a gun while outside is a must. Again, this is Canada and our laws about having firearms while out in public spaces are a bit more restrictive than in the U.S. In particular firearms are not allowed in our national parks and attacks on hikers and campers are equally rare there.

[@TheLumberJacked]

I have a friend up in Alberta who loves on an acherage outside of Alberta’s capital city. So quite a populace place. Anyhow he and his family had walked his property along the fence line with snow shoes last winter, he told me he had seen occasional prints he thought could be wolf, and hear them, but it wasn’t until the night after was liking his property, he went out to check his chicken coop, he was using the flashlight on his iPhone, he was about 15’ away from his coop when out of the darkness loomed a large wolf, that came around the edge of the coop and went between him and his coop. As it did it took one look at him and he said the raw intelligence was breathtaking. It looked at him and immediately wrote him off as not a threat. It didn’t change its pace or direction it just lopped along with these long legs. He said his flashlight wasn’t even on the highest level so when the wolf came out of the darkness it was like it was there and then it wasn’t. He quickly figured out why the wolf had used that route through his property, it was because they had snowshoed along his property line through deep snow and being efficient the wolf simply used it to travel. He said it was probably a young male that hadn’t yet found his own pack. Needless to say, I was impressed. I’ve heard Alberta is Gods country and between wolves and wolf packs roaming around major cities to the mountains and the prairies it seems like it would be a stunning place. I want to visit sometime. Oh he also told me that he has found cougar prints and that while they have an enormous range they are surprisingly common in Alberta (relatively speaking) all that farmland really does allow wildlife to keep away from more populated areas. Here in Colorado that would be unthinkable, in Alberta it’s just another day and I find that really amazing. Clearly they figured out how to make it work and isn’t Alberta a huge producer of meat herds? So obviously it can work.

[@TheLumberJacked]

Hey sorry I hadn’t read to the part about elk island. Ya my friend said he believes that wolf on his property was from an Elk Island pack. I had no idea how special elk island was until he told me something about it. I get why it’s a national park now, it’s extremely unique and self introduction of wolves east of Edmonton is just amazing. Well, visiting is on the bucket list now.

[@bobsmith2637]

@@TheLumberJacked your friend is spot on about cougars, but they are very, very secretive and stealthy, you can live in cougar country for a decade and never get a good look at one. They also reintroduced themselves to the Elk Island area some years ago, before the wolves returned. Alberta is a very stunning place and it's a lot bigger than people think, it would take a whole day to drive across east-west and even longer north-south. And about half of the whole area is still wilderness. The mountain parks are especially beautiful and are the best places to see wildlife. Regarding predator co-existence, I also think that over 100 years of sustained hunting pressure and the more modern selective culling of individual problem animals (i.e. garbage-addicted bears) has produced a change in the behaviour of wolves, cougars and bears. They no longer seem to automatically view people as prey and try to avoid us whenever possible. The majority of close encounters and attacks that I am aware of involve a bear being surprised or defending cubs and/or a food source, or wolves or cougars going after domestic dogs, they both seem to still view dogs as prey or competition and will take them yet leave nearby humans alone.

[@jp-cb8wc]

As a Colorado voter to put this in perspective I asked one of my very liberal friends what he voted for when it came to reintroducing wolf's. He said yeah I voted yes why not I mean why not bring them back. This is the extent of The knowledge that most people that voted yes are bringing to the table.

[@andyc9902]

They save Forrests

[@brownsound545]

Do you expect the average person to be a conservation expert?

[@Dbright1982]

Well we already have a ton of mountain lion eating the dogs. Idk

[@andyc9902]

@@brownsound545 no but the average person can google

[@DeadSexyAdamCheney]

As a Colorado native and resident i voted no.

[@hugjuffs]

15 minutes of talking about wolves and Joe didn't make a single wolf noise. Very impressed with your willpower, Joe!

[@xz-187]

He didn't make any single grizzly voice either when he discussed that animal in this very same podcast. I applaud for his self-restraint as well 😂.

[@PaulineXCX]

Hahahhaha

[@dreamersdisease2481]

Bears really turn him on

[@jtthor3068]

Owhhhhuuuu 🐺

[@autumnthomas3923]

Or a bear noise lol

[@riccardostucchi1423]

In italy we have more than 3000 wolves and they do not cause so many problems, it always seems to me that you freak out over nothing in the US

[@Reed411]

That is 100% true. Many rural Americans still believe in the fairy tails of the big bad wolf and glorify those who killed the last one. They have let irrational fears dominate their lives and culture.

[@henoch44]

Let me guess, you live in the city in Italy and have no clue what those wolves are actually doing.

[@Reed411]

@@henoch44 Maybe we do know what the wolves do and we just don't care who gets in the way.

[@redhat4363]

The American wolves are huge! Google that 😂 it’s scary 😱

[@wilfredoesqueda]

Hate to say it but, US citizens are sheltered

[@nicosmind3]

It's amazing that wolves learned how to ballot and are now reintroducing themselves throughout the world.

[@VestigialHead]

They will be on Wall Street before we know it.

[@WeighedWilson]

AI rigged the vote in order to get rid of humans.

[@goldilox369]

​@@VestigialHead 😂

[@martinh1437]

Paws for thought

[@Mike-xi4zt]

@Michael Sørensen why would you want to keep them,? So they can chase and maim and kill game animals 365 days out of the year and not have to pay any fees or be arrested by a game warden for killing over the limit or out of hunting season. Wolves are not beneficial to other animals who have to survive in the same place where they have wolves chasing, biting, and ripping out ungulates entrails before they are even dead.

[@bikinggreg]

The ballot initiative to reintroduce wolves in Colorado only passed in Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs; areas where the wolves aren't being reintroduced. The communities that are going to be impacted soundly rejected the ballot initiative.

[@claywells784]

@@woketopian112 if that is true how come the elk population in Yellowstone is as healthy as ever? Your point is invalid.

[@libertariansasquatch]

@@woketopian112 Wolf populations have actually made the ecosystems better, where they have been Re-introduced

[@woketopian112]

​@@claywells784 if you guys are so obsessed with Yellowstone why don't you live there?

[@tylermassey5431]

​@@libertariansasquatch still doesn't excuse people dropping them onto other people's property.

[@kaiserkonnigratzer1528]

@@woketopian112 Elk coexisted with wolves for millions of years, they’ll be fine. If you really cared about the elk you’d be calling for the humans to get removed lol.

[@HappyG1lm0re]

I live in the Colorado mountains (Rifle) and watched this whole thing play out. It was so weird, first time I saw politics spill into my personal day to day. Everyone in the mountain communities overwhelmingly voted against this, but all the bleeding heart leftists in Denver thought it would be cute and voted in favor. That's how you get wolves. Now we have wolves.

[@codyroersma]

We had a similar situation with Detroit and Michigan's upper peninsula

[@trikstari7687]

Train them to eat leftists.

[@crazyj3133]

LUCKY

[@SoulEternalPeaceWarrior77]

This also sounds like more "Great Reset" tactics. They don't want people living in the countryside peacefully, enjoying self-ownership. They want you being dependent on their liberal cities, eating their morally approved junk, watching their approved media & being an "ally". There's a cultural takeover going on right now & it's insane to see it play out.

[@Bob_Smith19]

Shoot, shovel and shut up.

[@jmacomber86]

To stop the reintroduction because they attack domesticated animals is insane, no one living in the high country should be leaving their dogs or pets out. We live up here for a reason, to be close to nature…including wildlife. I welcome the animals, and excited for their return.

[@spiderhands]

Facts

[@kingjonstarkgeryan8573]

Yep, coyotes and mountain lions already do that. So people near wild areas already knew not to leave small animals outside in unsecured yards or livestock without guard animals.

[@slimjongun5111]

Yeah but humans are idiots who chain their dogs outside we can’t just release wolves

[@trickyhickey69]

I live in northern Ontario, and when I was a kid, my grandfather had five Clydesdale horses. Every night you could see the eyes glowing in the tree line, but they never did make a go at it. They hung around for three years every winter they were there in that tree line For five hours every night looking for any sign of weakness

[@gregcushing1716]

Where abouts are you ? I been up in Moose Factory twice and seen wolves a few times but never had any problems with them. Currently live in Ottawa and am super jealous of anyone living in North Country 🇨🇦💪

[@satanicrepublican4781]

I imagine Clydesdale vs Wolf would go about like Donkey vs Coyote, and the Wolves knew it.

[@richardmueller7023]

Nowadays we have thermal. No more hiding in the dark.

[@boosyaa]

@@gregcushing1716what’s so significant. about northern canada?

[@gregcushing1716]

@@boosyaa the peace & quiet for one,the wildlife. All sorts of different things.

[@1MADS1]

In Denmark, which basically has no more than 11% of forest areas, we have wolves again. rumor says that they immigrated by themselves but rumor also says that someone moved them here. In our neighboring countries, they are widespread, e.g. Germany, Poland, Norway, Sweden, you don't hear of people being attacked, but the sheep farmers have problems.

[@dawnkeener9836]

We bought 2 wolf's when I was a teenager. Paid $2,000 each for them. They were 3/4 Alaskan Timber Wolf's and 1/4 German Shepherd.They were huge! They had to be chained by big chains because they kept breaking the chains. But we allowed them in the house. They were trained. When they grew up I could only take one at a time for a walk. But yes they understood us. For sure. However they loved to chase cat's and squirrels.... If they wanted one it took all my commands and strength to keep them from tearing one up. We had to eventually give them to a lady who could put them on her land and let them run free she had 30' fences..not Sure why but she did and they were so happy to be able to run. They ended up dieing of old age... Happy and long life. The lady loved Shyanne and Dakota. I sure miss them too.... I used to go outside and just lay down and they loved to play.....

[@wills242]

My dog went to the same farm when I was young

[@TheBasher-_-]

​@@wills242 lol

[@nickcool2455]

@@wills242 bro💀😂

[@mus.k5929]

That’s crazy! Unless there are multiple lady’s with a bunch of land and really tall fences, with two wolves that they got from two teenagers that we’re getting to much to handle, that were 1/4 German shepherd and there names were Shyanne and Dakota. Then I am pretty sure you gave them to my zoology teacher!!

[@christopherstephenson7199]

@@wills242 LOLOLOL!

[@walbert801]

I live in the canyons of Colorado and this year there is an initiative to discourage people from living there. One issue we ran into was the fire insurance cost. Our fire insurance went from $ 8:02 1200 a year to $6000 a year. I asked the insurance broker why the premium had gone up so drastically and he iterated they don’t want you to live there. Through drought, the water table has dropped in the Rockies leading many residents to convert to cistern reservoirs for water. This means you have to buy water by the truckload or fabricate your own transport system to bring water to your property. Wolves are insurance. People move quickly to the high density residential areas within the urban envelope. In my canyon. The lions in one year killed 26 pets. I’m sure this will be exacerbated by this introduction.

[@The_k1d206]

I'm assuming if you live in a area with high risk of wildfires your insurance is going to be high

[@Iceman_Cool]

Why would insurance care where you lived? Big corporations dont care about the environment, only profits

[@camcambambam5128]

My buddy found an abandoned Belgian Malliois and we learned why they abandoned her. She’s the most docile malliois I’ve ever seen. No aggression, derpy asf, isn’t that smart but she is incredibly athletic and constantly escapes her crate, climbs 8ft dog fence etc

[@nycoolj3]

Why would someone abandon a dog because of that? Genuinely curious.. because I would love that out of a dog

[@kyhlekable8088]

Think of it as a job, if you can't do the job correctly, they're going to fire your ass

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

​@@nycoolj3 malinois are trained bite machines...

[@nycoolj3]

@@richfarfugnuven6308 well then maybe people should stop breeding them to be that way and expecting them to be like that instead of abandoning them if they don’t

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@REVMATCH they are 100% meant to be police/military dogs. I honestly think regular citizens should never buy one, unless they can afford schutzhund training, which is about 50k...

[@paleo52]

Before the wolves were reintroduced to Idaho and Montana. Idaho had a thing going on called the Idaho wolf watch. The state asked you if you saw a wolf to report it to the USFS,the BLM, or Idaho Fish&Game. In June of 1990 I saw two wolves to the west of Salmon Idaho near the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. The next time I was in town I went to the North Fork Ranger District office and reported what I saw. Their reply was that I was wrong and I saw coyotes,I told them that I have seen a lot of coyotes,and what I saw were Wolves,and they were like no-no-no. I ran into that same reply after that. Then I talked to people in the USFS who knew what was going on,and that the powers that be had set up the wolf watch to fail. No matter what numbers that they had,they would doctor the info to show that the wolf reintroduction had to take place,so they could get 14,000,000 dollars to start the program. They did the release in winter,Jan or Feb. The wolves were brought down to Salmon ID from Canada. They had them at the Salmon BLM warehouse. The plan was to fly the wolves out to the Indian Creek Guard Station in the Frank Church along the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. But it was winter time in central Idaho and weather had come in and they could not fly to Indiana Creek. So they drove the wolves to the town of North Fork and headed down the river road to Corn creek witch is the end of the road. Their thinking was it's the wilderness and the wolves would just head off into the back country and all would be well. Some of the wolves headed south and in less then a month people in the Salmon area were having dogs killed and ranchers were having cows killed,and then the whole deal turned to shit. And it is still going on to this day.

[@IdahoRanchGirl]

And now they're paying us to kill them. I live along hwy 12. Nez Perce Reservation. Clearwater/Selway River area. And they are on our ranch. They are paying like 2k per wolf kill.

[@VestigialHead]

Who cares if ignorant people that let their dogs roam the neighborhood are having their pets killed. They deserve it. If your fence cannot keep wolves out then you do not have a fence good enough to keep your dogs in. While I agree that the authorities often do a bad job when they release animals and much more due diligence should be done. But dogs being killed is not a good enough reason to not bring back predators.

[@utubedude2842]

Similar situation here in Kansas with mountain lions. People are posting pictures online from their trail cameras, yet the state says they’re not here.

[@Cdub541]

@@VestigialHead how dumb can you be 😂

[@davidstrom597]

We had a fantastic elk herd on the north fork, after wolf introduction i found elk dead everywhere, and no they were not eaten just killed, they killed every animal they could catch, wolf reintroduction is distructive and assinine, the oldtimers poisoned half the animals out there to get rid of the fukin wolves,

[@brandoncruise6398]

This has been an interesting topic to me for a very long time. There are multiple sizes did the story but I’ll try to keep it simple. In the 18 to early 1900s wolves were hunted to near eradication but not because of an irrational fear, but because they were seen as competition. Because they were seen as competition they were seen as a nuisance that needed to be eradicated. After that happened, deer became too plentiful for the land to be able to handle, so plant life was drastically affected. People look at the woods today and think that that is a normal site, but what is seen is not home a wood is supposed to be. Entire ecosystems are destroyed. There is no man made machine that can do for an ecosystem daily what a top predator does. Unfortunately, people have gotten used to not having to protect themselves. We’ve gotten used to not paying attention when going outdoors. People love the idea of nature bouncing back, but are not willing to put up with the dangers that need to come with it. Ironically, this is especially true for many people who want to move into the wilderness to “ get closer to nature”. If you wanna be close to nature, have a gun and/or some dogs.

[@joerodriguez3002]

Great way to say it. So true.

[@dhooter]

It's not necessarily the wolves that are the problem. It's the roads and logging roads. Giving wolves easy access to prey is devastating. It's proven they use these roads. Wolves can move crazy milage. They move on quicker to kill more and shit we can bring the pups too. Watch Steve Isdahl he explains this in detail. He is a hunting guide in the Canadian Rockies.

[@Khornedevotee]

@Bob1934 Well then that was on that lady's part. She knew the risks and she paid for it.

[@Johhny_B]

@Bob1934 That's a sad story. Poor Labradoodle 😭😭

[@Ap_twsh]

Yup, if you live in the “wild” then you should expect the conditions that come with that.

[@hiroshi138]

"None of the people who voted for this are going to have to live with the negative consequences of it" - essentially explains every ballot initiative ever.

[@killingjoke535]

Wouldn't be negative consequences if people hadn't populated those areas in the first place

[@IKB28513]

It’s called the ‘Good ideas club’. See any military in the world, they run them.

[@tman8939]

I agree, Denver, Boulder and surrounding area should have never been populated. The wolves have been here for decades without introduction. @@killingjoke535

[@rainasworld1]

​@@killingjoke535All of us don't live in cities, nor should we be forced to.

[@voytron1]

I live in Kelowna British Columbia and people have been seeing wolfs in around town. You have to know we have many wild animals that could get your dog like eagles, owls, coyotes, cougars, bears. So you need to watch your dogs at all times

[@carlobrigante881]

And or have some dogs that can pull their own weight

[@beneatspizza2380]

Thank you! If you want to live the little house on the prairie life guess what… you’ll see some wildlife If you don’t like wolfs move to the city dorks

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

@@beneatspizza2380 Exactly. People who want to turn the whole world into their safe suburb need to start asking themselves if the whole world is not the problem, but maybe it's they themselves. The wolves got here first, and do a tremendous service to the environment by promoting the growth of trees by various methods.

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

Yup. It's up to you to watch your dog. If you're going to leave it up to a roll of the dice, you've got no one but yourself to blame if your pet gets eaten. In Los Angeles, for instance, coyotes abound. Moreso than in surrounding nature. And pets are their PRIMARY FOOD SOURCE. Wake up, people, and be responsible. The answer is not to blame the coyotes. The answer is to take some damn responsibility on your own, for goodness sake. The race to make the world a hermetically sealed playground for infants and the infantile is taking away our agency and intelligence by more and more. You're not helpless unless you want to be.

[@beneatspizza2380]

@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 preach brotha

[@BlackWhirlwindSett]

I live in Colorado out in the country. I've had multiple encounters with mountain lions. Only guardian breed I'd trust to leave out at night by itself, is a caucasian ovcharka. Two of them would be around 450-500lbs, their super dense fur protects against bites. They were used in siberian prison system to chase escaped cons.

[@Aohhmadone]

They use necklaces with spikes also to protect from wildlives bites.

[@AB-qt4dj]

Mountain lions freak me out because you don’t know they’re there until theyre on top of you. Of course moose freak me out the most. They’re huge and temperamental.

[@AlowisciousMahoney]

Some of those Turkish dogs, like the Kangal, are impressive guardians as well.

[@BlackWhirlwindSett]

@@AB-qt4dj I've been 10 feet from one. Our 70lb pitbull was scared to death to go outside, to go the restroom. We forgot to pick up a dog bowl of water. Another I was sitting at my walkout, felt a strange feeling start walking inside, as soon as I close the door a young mountain walked on my retaining wall, literally 2-3 feet from where I was.

[@BlackWhirlwindSett]

@@AB-qt4dj there was a project happening out here, and the the employees were talking about all the tracks of mountain lions. Some following people. So they decided to kill it. The hunters were following tracks, till they looped back around and noticed mountain lion was following them the whole time. That's a dangerous cat. My buddy was out hunting for elk and accidentally walked between a momma and her cub while he was walking back. He had to shot twice at her to scare away. He was hours away from a hospital.

[@Stella77_7]

I'm a Farmer in Wisconsin. About 15 years ago, they reintroduced Wolves to WI. And may I add they didn't being back the Native wolf they brought in Canadian wolves. About 75 pounds bigger. Our deer population has been so badly devastated. I raise Great Pyrenees Livestock Dogs. Breed to protect my cows, pigs, and chickens. Their size and deep barn alarm me and put wolves on notice. But my neighbors just last year lost 7 adult pregnant cows in one night. The state of WI wants to hunt them and we have but as of last year the Feds stepped in to stop our wolf hunt. Feds need to keep the Fuk OUT if state conservation. We need to controls these effen wolves. Talk about dogs. A community member just north of me was walking two German Shepherds on leaches, and 2 wolves came out of the ditch and destroyed the dogs right in front of her. The argument is wolves help the environment, Bullshit! We have enough hunters in WI to keep our Deer population in check, we don't need wolves. Wolves are over eating everything here. We farmers decided long ago to take care if this problem. Eff the Gov.

[@stillholding4975]

Damn. How frustrating

[@TheGuyFromWI]

Facts

[@HankPBFord]

Yupp

[@Stella77_7]

@counselthyself2591 if only you could figure out auto correct and I don't give two shits

[@peteconz]

@counselthyself cuz good spelling would teach those wolves to play nice!

[@MK-Ultra-1984]

The lack of awareness RE: predator prey relationship impacts on the ecology of a area is stunning considering the benefits of wolves in yellowstone, well studied and proven economic and environmental benefits.

[@047Kenny]

JRE is at his peak when discussing nature.

[@elsancho-mx7om]

🤣🤣 peak ignorance

[@anarmyoftigers]

Joe Rogan doesn’t even understand the basic evolution model. No Joe, we’re not going to evolve to a point where we can’t reproduce and become machines.

[@divadrestas]

You mean his stand-up isn't his peak?

[@joeysausage3437]

He shows his ignorance.

[@Axxxel_in_Harlem]

​@@joeysausage3437 ok, joey sausage.

[@the_watcher_abc]

“Step loudly though the land of bears, but step quietly through the land of wolves.” That about sums it up.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

I think both gets you killed and eaten. Blackbear isnt really even afraid of you. Only so it appears until you run across one thats extra hungry

[@fangarbangar]

Wolves are already here in Colorado. I ran into a pack crossing the road in North Park last year. Ranchers are already having problems with them and their cattle.

[@joerodriguez3002]

That's Great! Humans want to live in the mtns wit no danger,,haha ,,it's the wolves land,,not cattle

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Yeah theyre already around. Sometimes the ones up there come down into our area but its a desert, they run out of food and hang around peoples backyards I assume becsuse of small dogs taking their last poops before bed. Its been years since weve seen one around our house but theyre out there.

[@huntercool2232]

Wolves had this land long before we did. They have every right to live in the areas they once roamed. Plus it would befit the ecosystem drastically. Just look at how they changed Yellowstone for the better! Wolves shouldn’t be considered a potential problem, they should be considered a potential solution.

[@henoch44]

Wolves have no rights, they are bunch of murder dogs. We can keep them at minimal population. We have ranches in Colorado, it's not all national park.

[@gizzodadon4038]

Canadians listening be like "wtf is wrong with having wolves around?"

[@bjkarana]

That is totally inaccurate. Canadiens be like "wtf is wrong with having wolves around, eh?"

[@brownjatt21]

Idk 90% of Canadians live in big cities and have probably never had to deal with them.

[@smooth_pursuit]

We definitely have coyote problems

[@jero1918]

None of my Canadian family feels that way. Of course they actually have to live with them. ;)

[@mishaarthur7689]

Cars are more dangerous than wolves 100%

[@h8today]

I was shocked when I saw this on the ballot. I'm not really sure why they think those of us that live in the Denver Metro are capable of answering whether wolves should be reintroduced in the west part of the state. Shouldn't have been allowed on the ballot, there's virtually no way for us city folk to understand whether this is a good thing or not.

[@jdallz3676]

My dog totally just jumped up and headed for the door hearing Joe say “You wanna go OUTSIDE?” 😂

[@Anita_Backrub]

😂😂 that’s so cute

[@RobertoTheGreat]

Lies

[@Laocoon283]

Bo

[@dustinvergara8401]

I'm a wildlife biologist, there are already wolves in Colorado... The transplants will die or get pushed out due to the packs already in Colorado. Alos they need an extreme range of territory. Talk to ranchers and ask how many wolves they bury every year.

[@betsie696]

Crazy thing is wolf have been in Colorado moving across state lines from Wyoming. They’ve even been having pups in Colorado. They don’t see politics or state lines.

[@danwhitehurst6293]

My roommate has seen them

[@Scrambledbrains3601]

My roommates never seem em either

[@TaylorKromOFFICIAL]

The voting should have been strictly limited to the residents who live in the area that the wolves will be in.

[@wvjeepguy8178]

My thoughts exactly. These city liberals are allowed to make the laws for people in rural areas and never have to suffer the consequences.

[@mishaarthur7689]

​@@wvjeepguy8178 what you're describing is rural people wanting to live in rural areas and not deal with the consequences. Don't like tornadoes? Don't live in Kansas. Don't like wolves? Go live in a city

[@Alex-me3yn]

@@mishaarthur7689 sounds like they already solved the problem and its simply being undone, not really the same situation u are alluding to

[@chrismcaulay7805]

@@mishaarthur7689 That was... ignorant of you to say. People in the Cities (for which I live mind you), should not be delegating their bullshit on the people in rural communities. If they want wolves, they can have them in the cities... If you dont want them in cities, then why would you stick rural communities with them? Something about do unto others as you would want done to yourself...

[@paulb8118]

​@@mishaarthur7689 that's a dumbass take. They literally lived in a wilderness setting without wolves for a century. If people in a city want wolves fine then release wolves in the city.

[@nickcontabile]

If wolves were there first then they deserve to be back.

[@jonvia]

I played a gig out in Vail and its out of this world. My band and I did an acoustic performance on top of one of the mountains at the ski resort during the fall season. Before we played, we all had to take a moment to look around and soak it all in. Colorado as a state is just incredible.

[@YourWaterBoii]

We have wolves here in Minnesota. They're heavily monitored. But they're amazing to watch!

[@KBeth35]

I just want to commend you for spelling wolves correctly. I have seen countless comments of people giving their opinions on wolfs and all I cant take their opinions seriously since they can't even spell it. And I'm not a grammar Nazi I usually don't care. It's just interesting that people can't spell wolves but have an opinion on if we should reintroduce them to the population.

[@YourWaterBoii]

​@@KBeth35 That's interesting. The correct spelling is right in the title of the video.

[@pkz420]

In BC, we don't really have problems with the wolves. But that's because we take precautions. We've been living with them a long time, and have built safeguards against them into our daily life. I'm not sure the people that voted for them are prepared though. They are going to learn some hard lessons. Nature is not kind or fuzzy. It is brutal and unforgiving.

[@brownjatt21]

What I'm getting from this is, The people that voted for them are most likely folks from the city like Denver etc who would never have to deal then on a day to day basis. all the folk in the country side who voted no gonna have to deal with it.

[@justinthejerkoff]

None of the people who voted for it live anywhere where the wolves will be. All of the people who have to deal with it voted no. But Denver metro outnumbers the rest of the state.

[@user-vj9qz3br6l]

I don’t think they will be introduced in large populations all at once

[@andyc9902]

British Columbia?

[@cleigh113]

​@@andyc9902 haha! Yeah b.c. in Canada is short for British Columbia!

[@grizelda4526]

From what I understand, it had excellent results in Yellowstone and the Adirondacks. Positive, wide ranging effects on the ecosystem.

[@bandwagon240]

Spot on.

[@scottwall8419]

Exactly, I'm no tree hugger whatsoever but he conveniently avoids the downright amazing effects it had on yellowstone on purpose. This guy has an agenda and if he was just honest we might agree but he's being held back.

[@libertariansasquatch]

Yeah all the studies have shown they actually make the ecosystem way more healthy

[@paulb8118]

Wrong there are no wolves in the ADK

[@evj1326]

Hunting isn't allowed in yellowstone. That would have helped. Colorado manages the varying herd populations by hunting so that controlled numbers are harvested

[@tadblackington1676]

Wolves have reestablished themselves in the Netherlands and Colorado is too small/densely populated?

[@omglawton]

Just moved here to Wisconsin. Saw a wolf early morning driving to work. It was big AF.

[@alaskansummertime]

Wolves fix everything. Too many deer release wolves. Need to improve worker productivity release wolves. Wife giving you trouble? A wolf is your solution.

[@joemonteirosportsshorts3343]

A Wolf, Bear, and Bullshark all walk into a bar on DMT…

[@JMW_JMW_JMW]

... and got yelled at by Alex Jones

[@70KDS]

And a chimpanzee to serve as the bartender

[@kathleenlovett1958]

😅😂😂🤣

[@karnage2948]

….Joe freaked out

[@adnan4688]

​@@JMW_JMW_JMW In the dark,you wouldn't be able to tell who is Alex and who the bear and wolf are.

[@peter-radiantpipes2800]

Lol mentioning men out there with sheep. My dad before he died used to say”back when men were men and sheep were nervous.” A really cheesy old timer joke but will never forget it.

[@Kirby12352]

I don't think Joe realises how much he greatly overhypes how dangerous wolves are, and how much he undersells the need for predators in ecosystems.

[@lauriwelch4948]

I have a funny story of my great aunt Cher from Burns Oregon back in the 80's, She had a ranch and the people went to a meeting about the concern of wolves and livestock. The people that wanted to protect the wolves said '"maybe we can castrate the male wolves to control population." She spoke up and said " They aren't coming to rape my calves, their coming to kill them." She was a character.

[@user-dc1dr9kr8x]

I bet she was fun to have a few with....thank you

[@tannerlyday6290]

My brother and I came across a wolf deep in the Colorado Rockies. We called it in when we returned to service and the CPW was not surprised what so ever. They are here already

[@utubedude2842]

Similar to mountain lions here in Kansas. People are constantly posting photos from trail cameras and the state keeps denying they are here.

[@amirlach]

I was working up past Smallboys Camp repairing a limber while they were trapping the wolves sent to Yellowstone. We came down to camp for lunch and there was a bit of fresh snowfall. We seen the wolf tracks, but never seen them. I have large hands and placed one over a track. It was the size of my palm and half of my fingers. So close to five inches across and about six long. They walked all around were we were working. Was a little un nerving to think they were so close and could stay out of sight. The drivers had a chainup area halfway between camp and the log deck. They were real nervous for a while.

[@lushlife6864]

And yet you all lived.

[@amirlach]

@@lushlife6864 They tend to avoid people and especially the machines. On Baffin Island we had polar bear sightings. They are not scared of much. We would lock down in secure buildings. Except for the 992 loaders and haul trucks. They kept working. The big loaders had to shut down when we brought pickups into the load zone because they could back over your pickup without feeling it.

[@TheLumberJacked]

Wow, looked up smallboy’s camp. That’s an interesting place and story. Beautiful country.

[@NoMoreMrNiceGuy223]

Wolves are fascinating

[@davidbiga7285]

Beautiful animal...

[@rhettsholtz2827]

And should be kept away from us

[@davidbiga7285]

@@rhettsholtz2827 no it's wrong!!!! Why??

[@davidbiga7285]

Because we are enemy... I never ever see a wolf with gun or rifle

[@Djk-cc2sr]

Rogan needs to get the dude from River Monsters on here

[@Alex-dk1um]

I love it. Base the laws around wether our pets get eaten as a result of them or not. Love it.

[@ge2623]

I like the morons who weigh the economics of it.

[@AZTLANSOLDIER13]

Yup, pathetic

[@spiderhands]

Its so stupid, just take care of your pet, they dont even belong in the woods

[@markive9907]

I saw a pair of Mexican grey wolves in 1980 just east of Rangley Co ,I knew they were not coyotes to big ,they swam across the white rive heading north ,so they have been around .

[@highaltitudeexperience]

They were also present along the Wyoming/Colorado border before this introduction even took place.

[@blueorangeblossom]

In the Texas hill country I encountered a lone tagged wolf, on a dirt road at night. I thought it was a husky at first. The wolf came around my car and tried to bite me through the door when I opened the door to open and close a gate. I’ll never forget that, it attacked me, but I had the car protecting me. Wolves especially hungry ones are very dangerous. Low hanging fruit could be children not just family pets.

[@Elementalism]

Don't let children and pets outside in the wild. Got it

[@spicyboy5330]

​@@Elementalismstay in your city and leave us alone

[@Elementalism]

@@spicyboy5330 learn to live within your environment.

[@Strychnine1276]

Wolves are hands down one of the most ferocious and proficient predators on Earth. So beautiful and impressive, but terrifying all the same.

[@earlmyname4257]

What u talking about! Be scared of man not animals

[@Largetalons]

They can get in line behind orcas, hippos, grizzlies, and all of the big cats.

[@debrataylor4509]

Terrifying if you are between them and a meal, only!! They leave people alone otherwise!!

[@TinyTalesBookClub]

@@Largetalons i was going to say...

[@granslam175]

Great to see a local issue I’ve become very passionate about be featured on the JRE Podcast

[@eyekon4295]

Dogs are unbelievably intelligent, I watched my small schnauzer poodle X walk down the fenceline jump onto the compost bin and over the fence to get onto the park, some people like to think these dogs are small inside dogs but both breeds were bred for hunting and retrieving. Each breed has a purpose and their home determines whether they meet their potential, they also understand a lot of terms even without deliberate training.

[@patdenney7046]

Hey we really do need to transplant a large portion of grizzlies to California ! They’re so cute and we want to go back to natural!

[@mandarb23]

I have a Malinois. that look Joe talks about is so true. they look at you like a wolf. it takes a long time to get past the fear from their look. but once you do its the best love gaze you'll ever get to see. yes I have kids.

[@foolishEmporer]

Joe, that incident in Idaho was a wolf attack on a group of Elk that lost their fear of predators and humans because they came to a feeder set up by someone. When the wolves found them they had no clue how to react

[@arronjohnston742]

and because wolves were gone the gene pool of prey animals suffered, same kind of thing happen to people, people are weaker today because of interference, everyone's scared of peanuts 🤣 years ago that was unheard of, woman with narrow hips died in child birth thus limiting faulty genes now we have C sections an faulty genes are passed on, once down syndrome/ disabled died now we keep them all alive to pass on the bad genes and more health issues an deformities than ever, when weak genes are limited or eliminated the species is better for it...... wolves belong there, people not so much

[@pipolchamp8205]

@@arronjohnston742 damn imagine an alternate reality where people intentionally stops giving healthcare to see the best gene pool and population that evolution can offer. i'd probably dead years ago but it would be interesting to see what pure evolution and stronger genes can do in a millenia or two, that would be a good premise for a movie where the mc is desperate for medicine or some shit like that

[@poppinc8145]

@@pipolchamp8205 It has to be a balance. Because physical qualities is just one side of the coin, mental abilities is another. If you have a society where it's just based on physical, you're going to have problems too because the guy who could have been a thinker or inventor simply never grew up to be one.

[@superm530]

@@pipolchamp8205 Its called EUGENESIA ,,,

[@KarklinPumpkin]

​@@arronjohnston742 Right, but you are here.

[@jrm4408]

In Michigan a long time ago they started transplanting "problem wolves" from Minnesota to the Upper Peninsula. The results were predictable; each one eats a deer a week to live, so do the math. The wolf population numbers are vastly undercounted and the DNR minimizes the issue to keep people from thinking about it as being a problem. We can see the impact on the deer herd and it's devastating. I personally know someone who had a dog killed by one (very large Newfoundland) right in their yard, and it even dug up the dead dog after they had buried it.. The next door neighbors (on a rural county road) don't let their small children play outside anymore. It's only a matter of time until they kill someone's child, at which point maybe someone will care about it. Encounters are increasing and they're getting increasingly bold and unafraid of humans. One thing to remember is that almost all state natural resources departments are run by people who are extremely hostile to deer hunting and deer hunters, and want it to end. If they achieve their magical "natural balance" by increasing the wolf population then there will be no need to issue deer hunting licenses to regulate the population, and the tradition will die without ever having been banned. At this point that isn't politically feasible so they're doing an end run around that by going this route. Out west, the same agencies despise the ranchers and what they do, so they're fine with making them suffer while the city dwellers can bask in the glowing warmth of knowing what good smart people they are, bringing back the majestic wolves.. 🤢

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

Jokes on them, our solution is to now hunt wolves 50% and deer 50%. We are going down in history boys. Lets groom them to transplant grizzley and moose so they will have no choice but to sell us that armor pericing black tip am i right boys lets goooo. The more "invasive" species the less hunting licenses am i right boys lets goooooo

[@juliaorr8503]

seriously? There has not been any incidents of wolves eating children EVER here in the U.S

[@jrm4408]

None that we know of. A lot of people go missing and wolves don't leave much. That's not a valid basis to say therefore there's no possible danger, especially when encounters keep increasing annually. I know people with some pretty dicey stories regarding wolves.

[@matttroy8107]

I am a hunting guide in the Bob Marshal Wilderness since 1999, we used to have thousands of elk in that area it was nothing to see groups of 800 head of elk at a time the biggest group I saw in the 2022 season was 75-100. It used to be rare to see a wolf maybe a few a season now it’s constant almost an every day sighting. The deer, elk and sheep population is way down moose are almost gone in that area now.

[@TheSchmuel]

The wolves have decimated the Elk and moose populations.. Mule deer are also being reduced fast

[@jaybee6505]

I live in the Grand Mesa forest, the population is already down here too.

[@commonsenseconservative]

every environmental person says that having wolves there helps the entire ecosystem.

[@osmosisjones4912]

Here is the full clip : kzbin.info/www/bejne/jnyQkpyOo9yGotk

[@dustinbono]

The bob marshall is an awesome area. Have some family there between the missions and the bob. Heading there in July. But I agree lot less big game around in recent years

[@wolfpack9958]

Please let us back into Colorado.

[@bsrkoacar8414]

There are already wolf packs all throughout Colorado and they've already been established for years. I've seen them with my own eyes and have talked to Colorado wildlife biologists about it. It wasn't something they could talk publicly about. This is purely for federal funding.

[@stitch3163]

Yep. My neighbor runs a big helo op that darts and tags them under a CPW contract. We have plenty of wolves already. Told me our Governor’s partner is a huge animal freak… wonder how this got on the ballot.

[@bsrkoacar8414]

@Erikk Hyndman the first time I saw a pack in Colorado was probably 6-8 years ago right on the Wyoming border north of steamboat. It was a big pack too, more than 10 wolves. Not just a lone male. First time I saw a lone wolf was north of Craig, probably 10 years ago while elk hunting. They've been breading for sure.... Just last weekend I saw 2 wolves feeding on an elk carcass near wamsutter in wyoming. Wamsutter is not far from the Colorado border. They are everywhere now. Guessing they all came from the Yellowstone pack that was reintroduced in Wyoming. But wouldn't be surprised if they never completely disappeared to begin with.

[@bradberglund1154]

Dude I had a 8O lb border collie when I was growing up. That dog was mad protective. I’ll never forget I was 13-14 home alone with my younger brother. Some random dude knocked on the door and my dog almost ripped the door off it’s hinges. That dude peaced out real quick.

[@shunsuikyoraku5428]

Home alone...with my younger brother... hehe

[@Professionalwoodsbum]

80 lb border collie? I don't believe you

[@noedgetoadream]

Wolves are NEVER the problem. Humans are.

[@Reed411]

enter the angry rancher in 3.. 2..

[@NewEnglandGaming413]

They are amazing for the ecosystem there. They are a keystone species. People concerned about the wolves are mainly concerned about losing money

[@ROORY8700]

You’re exactly what they’re talking about you don’t have to deal with them and if you can’t hunt or kill them to protect your livelihood then why the fuck would you ever want them back into the landscape when you survive off that landscape

[@bplayerr1]

Safety anyone??

[@A-dizzleeeee]

I feel like the sad thing about this is the wolfs will do what they’re nature tells them to do and that’s prey and survive unfortunately they’re probably gonna eat someone’s livestock at some point and sadly at some point people are gonna go out there and start gunning down and hunting wolfs and then we’re just gonna see a bunch of dead when wolves even if it’s legally illegally to do so

[@brett6204]

We already have a amazing ecosystem

[@frenchpotato2852]

The American west is a wasteland.

[@9FisterSpit9]

I had a great pyrnees named Baxter. He was my best friend. I miss Baxter. He was an amazing Dog. In arkansas they are perfect against Coyotes. He took out 4 in one night. Rest in peace solider!

[@thehunzz]

4 in 1 night? Damn! My old neighbor had a Great Pyrenees. Beautiful animal.

[@schmingusss]

I think they should introduce Siberian tigers to Colorado.

[@thehunzz]

@@schmingusss 🤔 Better hurry before Russia starts sending tigers to Ukraine.

[@9FisterSpit9]

@@thehunzz Just had 2 calves born and pinned up. If you've seen the size of a pack of hungry Song Dogs in Arkansas. You would salute ol' Baxter. He was a rare kind of dog. In my eyes at least. Very beautiful breed.

[@9FisterSpit9]

@@schmingusss In all honesty, I couldn't agree more.

[@lewism9815]

I’m only two minutes in and it feels like I have been listening for a year

[@MrRyanmcmahon]

Cliff has one of the best hunting channels out there. Love his content

[@bc5208]

Lived 12 years in Alaska. 308 rifle works just fine against wolves.

[@aljosapetkovic69]

Its not a figment of imagination its literally the food chain and works every time unless we get involved. We exterminated wolves cause we don't want other top predators around that's what we do pretty simple. But introducing them back into deer and hog infested areas is exactly what is needed

[@chrisburke8284]

There’s no hogs in Colorado and the deer are managed.

[@pigtrapper1329]

@chrisburke8284 there's no hogs in Colorado......YET

[@MasterMalrubius]

@@chrisburke8284 There are feral hogs in Colorado.

[@coachhedge8218]

@@chrisburke8284 The deer aren't managed well enough. Adding wolves creates a predator prey cycle to their numbers which in turn allows plants time to begin growing, preventing overgrazing and returning habitats to animals that need it such as birds or whatever mammals live in Colorado.

[@chrisburke8284]

@@MasterMalrubius maybe extreme south east but not where the wolves are gonna be.

[@BenjaminNielsenFB]

Did you guys hear about Denmark? Very small country where they let wolves imigrate from Germany. The wolves pop up on random fields and when the farmers shoot them they end in big shitstorm and police trouble

[@sparkyfromel]

Walked the Estonia RMK Oandu to Ikla , 250miles track through the last old forest in Europe I saw moose , at a station a ranger told me bears were no problem , very shy but one could walk ten feet from wolves and not see them they kept to themselves , people were not on their " food" list they are on "avoid " list the worst animal was the mosquitoes ,clouds of them , they even carry a really dangerous encephalitis virus

[@brandonholliday7927]

Cliff Gray is an amazing outdoorsman! With a wealth of knowledge!

[@elsancho-mx7om]

Who is completely full of crap here, he just doesn't want to lose tags

[@stalker7892]

@@elsancho-mx7om He's was an outfitter for years he just sold his business a couple of years ago. He would likely want to keep the tag quota, but he's not full of crap. He knows his stuff.

[@elsancho-mx7om]

@@stalker7892 no he is full of crap, returning the natural predators does wonders for the environment. Wolves take out the weak helping to strengthen the prey's genetics, hunters do the exact opposite. From 2002-2020 wolves killed 26 people, 14 of those were due to rabies......

[@ZennExile]

no he's not. He's fake as a the "food" from Subway. He knows absolutely nothing you can't skim from any given release of Outdoor Magazine and proves it repeatedly throughout this video.

[@pedrogunner9750]

We have real wolf problems in Montana!! They’ve crushed the deer, elk, and moose populations. Wolves mate year round and have 5 or so pups per litter and deer, elk, and moose mate once a year and have 1 maybe two offspring…that doesn’t work well. Also wolves kill prey for fun

[@rodriguesjoel488]

Pretty funny that Joe says "why they don't listen to studied biologists" at the same time discussing this topic with a hunter and entrepreneur who obviously doesn't understand or doesn't want to understand the processes behind it.

[@eddiemoney18]

A vast majority of the voters live in Denver, the wolves are being introduced in the western/northern parts which is just ranchers with livestock! Sadly Colorado feels like California now💔

[@patrox428]

I dont really have an opinion on the wolves but it's funny to hear Joe say "How can they put this decision to a ballot initiative (the people vote), how can they let a ballot initiative (people voting) decide instead of the experts". He has expressed the exact opposite view before where he's shocked that it was left to experts instead of letting the people decide. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@veedubber7]

Have to listen to the biologists!

[@richardwigeland2074]

I camped in Montana in the late 70's and in our campground a lone wolf was prancing back and forth. It was huge and it came within 15 ft. of us but did not engage us visually and I can't say I wasn't a little freaked out.

[@mvtv-montanavigilantetv5976]

Northwest part, I assume? Got to see an amazing white pair on a back-door route into Glacier Park I always used (c. 2015) when living in East G., each time knowing they tolerated it and always from extreme distance. They saw me first of course each time then vanished like smoke. Biggest impact from car-camping in a small Corsica along Two Medicine River near a bridge that, apparently, the local wolf used to return home with a huge dead grouse in its jaws. I see it emerge from the forest line perhaps 50 yards away. Glare no issue; it was looking right at me as I sat in driver's seat, legs out of door but frozen as the wolf didn't hesitate at all. NO DANG CAM EITHER, or worthwhile one accessible, buried in junk. I swear on my honor this was clearly a wolf, a LARGE one but was colored exactly iike a Disney video cassette cover cartoon fox. Without any care, it trotted out then had to pass on passenger side between car and river bank. I also swear it was tall or taller than the windowsill as it casually turned to look at me as it passed. After that it broke into a fast trot over the bridge, up the opposite hill to disappear. Dang, gotta follow-up on that now I have a steady address ... do recall contacting Park or Forest Service and sense it that the wildlife folk were aware of it. And prob taking a meal back to pups as they aren't prone to carry-out leftovers.

[@FarradMuseumofTruth]

Was in South Africa 2010. Saw something with glowing eyes and hopped off, few metres before a dead turkey in a fence ripped open lmao. I'm thinking Wallaby lmao but the turkey was ripped open!

[@AZ-kr6ff]

I was in London backpacking and saw one eat my friend. It was actually wearing ripped human clothing.

[@factsdontlie4342]

I encountered one in British Columbia last summer. It was not scared of us and was massive. Like I knew wolves were large, but this thing was the size of a pony I swear

[@GreenFields-7777]

Love Cliff Grey. Great hunting videos. Very generous.

[@KanesWay]

I wonder if I will have issues wilderness camping in Rocky mountain national Park... This will complicate weeks in the mountains. I can't release a round in the park so I'll have to figure out a defense or a great offense.

[@blackbeard0323]

As a kid (junior high)I watched them release one of the pack of wolves in Northern Idaho. And within four year our elk heards went from 16k too 6k. Obviously a huge impact and now they're loathed and hunted with extreme prejudice!

[@cargage9523]

Wolves only culled the weak

[@RideBikes_Walkplaces]

Maybe the elk are over grazing the land and shouldn't be in such high number naturally. 🤔

[@adamostman3509]

@@RideBikes_Walkplaces These anti wolves guys are full of pure anecdotal evidence.

[@Elementalism]

Yeah and? So the elk heard was properly managed by a predator species. That culling helped the flora and fauna the elk herd decimated.

[@blackbeard0323]

Have you ever been to Northern Idaho?? Do some actual research rather anecdotal BS. Biologists have no real clue on the impacts rather a guess.

[@Jack-yk9by]

Somebody needs to tell these guys that Little Red Riding Hood was a nursery rhyme.. wolves are a natural part of the ecosystem and they should be there.

[@sacredseraphim3987]

I live in one of these rural areas in Colorado. The ranchers are petrified that the issues they had in the 1940s will come back. They had to hunt the wolves because their livestock were open season for wolves. They are pissed.

[@ONEIL311]

Hopefully a super pack forms and they March on Denver and this problem solves itself

[@DramaLlamaFishing]

The wolves we have here in Wisconsin are way bigger that we ever thought they could be, I understand people's fear of them

[@lukebonagurio4503]

False

[@DramaLlamaFishing]

@@lukebonagurio4503 good for you but you don't speak for everyone

[@Suckondeese]

False

[@DramaLlamaFishing]

@@Suckondeese I have seen them personally, along with many others, so your claim of false is worthless

[@Suckondeese]

@@DramaLlamaFishing Buy a gun if you’re so afraid lmfao

[@gramnenew6196]

I live in Idaho in the St Joe River drainage. We have had wolves seen at our children’s bus stops. Our Elk population has dwindled drastically. Wolves kill to kill not just to eat. Government management is a joke. One female can birth 5-12 or more at a time. These are not the little timber wolves of days gone by. They are huge! We too have liberals moving in and making it impossible to get laws passed. One must wonder how they would feel to see a circle of these beasts around their child at 7:00 am right near the highway. Introducing these animals to Colorado will be a horrible mistake. Just ask any outdoorsman in our state.

[@redbullsauberpetronas]

Liberals will claim to care about the environment then turn around and support tearing up a 1,000 year old forest to build housing for immigrants

[@Reed411]

I'm an outdoorsman in Colorado, I completely disagree with this statement

[@jillthompson1248]

Wolves do not kill to kill they can surplus kill to come back and eat later when hunting is poor man and cats are only animals that kill to kill

[@michaelkraus4135]

What is the LIMIT on ......LIBERALS ?

[@JA-rs3os]

Relax your kids are safe. We have one of the largest wolf populations in Canada & they never attack dogs or kids lol.

[@mikeott4113]

What most people don't realize is Colorado already has wolves migrating down from Wyoming. I have a rancher friend who says they are decimating his pregnant cows to eat the calf from the womb. The miscarriage rates on the remaining cows have gone through the roof due to the stress of these predators. He has not been compensated for any loss to his property. It's already getting way out of hand for ranchers and the planned reintroduction hasn't even begun.

[@levidein1628]

Absolutely. I was negotiating a land purchase in Moffat County and the landowners rely heavily on livestock and elk hunting. There have already been wolf encounters and the reintroduction is only going to increase those incidents. People’s livelihoods are at stake and all Colorado residents are going to suffer the consequences of the typical Denver/Boulder uninformed voter deciding this.

[@mikeott4113]

@@levidein1628 yup, that's an incredible trout in your photo btw

[@lukebonagurio4503]

Well everything changes deal with it. Imagine how the native felt when we moved in and killed everything making it impossible to live off the land.

[@fee33bee]

Interesting to hear this perspective. I’ve always loved the story of the Yellowstone wolves. I never heard this alternative viewpoint. Lesson learned. There are always unintended consequences and other perspectives.

[@rascalmatt6713]

I love animals so when i first heard about this way back when it all started i "assumed" based off emotion, that it would be "cool". I was young, ignorant, naive and uninformed.... in a word, "stupid". Then, later on, i decided to really look into it in earnest. My mind was changed. Problem is, there are far too many who are content to let others think for and manipulate them.

[@ProfessuhLemon]

@@rascalmatt6713 Funny, I was the same way, except in reverse. I initially was skeptical of it but became convinced after looking at the merits of both arguments. Funny how the world works.

[@PM_FC]

@@ProfessuhLemon what points convinced you? A lot of people/tourists go hiking in Colorado as there are hundreds of trails I can imagine people who don’t spend time in nature won’t mind, but it’s a pretty big part of the culture in Colorado

[@rascalmatt6713]

@@ProfessuhLemon Go to Wikipedia. Then type in "Wolf Fatalities". Start reading and learn something about wolves and human interaction. It's a pretty intense read to be honest. Globally throughout history and the USA as well. Wolves are incredibly dangerous because they are pack hunters, not solitary like bears and cougars. Packs can become extremely large with very large numbers of wolves comprising them. Furthermore, the wolves that were transplanted to the lower 48 were never native. They are bigger, more aggressive, more voracious grey wolves from Canada. The wolves that used to inhabit the lower 48 were "timber wolves" which could have eventually come back into uninhabited areas. Also, many top biologists have said, elk populations especially, cannot support wolf predation and human hunting together. It's not sustainable. I would have perhaps been open to reintroducing timber wolves with wholesale hunting on public and private land outside of national/federal parks where they are protected.

[@Hardcastle83]

Why would you believe these two knuckle heads over the experts?

[@BraveWilderness]

Very proud to say that we have been in major support of the wolves returning to Colorado. They will do wonders for the environment and balancing the ecosystem. The panic of them impacting cattle/livestock and peoples pets is not nearly the issue its hyped up to be. As for humans, there are next to zero dangers in regard to reintroducing wolves. Wolves DO NOT attack humans. In other good news, Phase 4 of the reintro plan, which would allow for the sport/trophy hunting of wolves, has also been eliminated which is fantastic as there is no reason to kill wolves for fun. Interesting story Joe but would also be beneficial to hear someone talk about the pros of bringing back wolves to the region, there are many credible sources in the wildlife community that could give insight as to why this is a positive step for Colorado and its wild ecosystems. - CP

[@TheAnimalHeeler]

Don;t ever listen to a trapper, rancher, logger, or outdoorman about Wolves- they are all completely biased and see Wolves as a threat but never see themselves as the ultimate, cunning, ruthless predator. I am happy to take you to meet some Wolves - don't ever compare a Malinois to a Wolf- you are not even the same category.

[@johnallen6836]

so who are we supposed to listen too? all of those professions are almost fully OUTDOORS.

[@BrainSturgeon]

@@johnallen6836 have them on?

[@SwedishWanderer]

Wolves are back in Sweden since 1970s/1980s. All wolf packs exist in semi-populated areas since there is no wilderness left. We have around 450 wolves/45 packs which approximately cause an annual loss for 350 sheep and 10 dogs yearly, no aggressive confrontations with humans. Regarding deer population they are still increasing but moose population has dropped, some say it's wolves and some say it's hunting caused by the forest industry. My personal experience is that you will never see them, so they are very shy of people, much more than almost any other animal. There will be a lot of Europeans that disagree with me and mean wolves are a huge problem here. A majority of politicians want to see the population severely decreased to 170. The experts want at least 300, so the situation is completely the opposite to the one in Colorado.

[@jennywarren]

It's like that in Pennsylvania as well. They dropped coyotes(not wolves)here years ago to cut down the deer population, and now they're paying farmers and hunters to shoot the coyotes.

[@Jz9222]

Hi loved and hated (ice hockey) neighbor :) Here in Finland last year wolves attacked sheepfarms over 50 times and killed 250 sheep by September. They kill hunting dogs every year, though that's understandable since they operate in the woods but at least two dogs were snatched from people's yard and killed last year. I saw a pack of six crossing the swamp two years ago when I was hunting with my finnish spitz, luckily she didn't met them. Here wolves are not so shy anymore, they have even gone inside a barn and killed a calf. They have been seen near Helsinki too. We have heated political debates about wolves every year, whether we should or not hunt them more to regulate their population. Green party and the left want to forbid hunting and right not so mich. It's been estimated that there are about 300 wolves in Finland. It's really hard to tell since they can go back and forth between Finland and Russia. My understanding is that there are far more than before. That's just based on my 16 years of hunting experience though, can't be sure.

[@Djk-cc2sr]

How epic would a Joe Rogan documentary be

[@sadimasochist4543]

It would literally him high out of his mind and commenting in ways like " Woah! " And " Wow! " And " Yo Jamie Check this out! "

[@elizaleroux9173]

That would be awesome.

[@Djk-cc2sr]

@Jack Tripper Before JRE bud, he’s more then an interviewer.

[@fakeshemp9599]

Someone on youtube made a doc on him awhile back and it was pretty good. I think it was sunny v2.

[@softwaresignals]

Kinda been done. OK, imagine Rogan's voice here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3upaWelr55moNk

[@tonysuchy292]

I'm from Minnesota and all I'm going to say is, be careful with the wolves. Once you have them you have a new set of problems.

[@Reed411]

Like what? Lower big game population? Pet kills? Livestock mortality? What else? Because we already know all that.

[@tonysuchy292]

@PKhunterFR you are correct on all of those. We had high enough number of wolves and had a season for a few years. During that time the population actually grew faster. Now the season has been blocked for a long time because it's been a fight in the court system which is causing the wolves to spread into non-native areas as they call it. It is costing the state a lot of money in damages and our moose population is the lowest it had been in a very long time.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

​@@Reed411 where im at the wolves sometikmes come down through colorado and people will see them sometimes at the edges of their backyards because the wolves wait for when people take their dogs to go poop right before bed. So yes. Wolves are cool so long as their main food source doesnt end up being the residential neighborhoods family pets.

[@ricardobotello1725]

I remember reading how reintroducing helped meadows and clearing because the herbivores were clearing to much. Which affected water levels.

[@AZTLANSOLDIER13]

Yes this happened in Yellowstone

[@deathbyvanity1955]

sounds legit

[@AZTLANSOLDIER13]

@@deathbyvanity1955 riparian environments benefited the most. Over grazing near river banks completely changes the environment, for the worse. There are wetlands in Rocky mountain national park that would greatly benefit from wolf reintroduction

[@deathbyvanity1955]

@@AZTLANSOLDIER13 I agree

[@tdec6009]

As someone that grew up in the exact areas being talked about. It was voted by people in the front range and wont have to deal with the problem wolves will bring. Colorado has the highest Elk population and generates alot of revenue from hunting. This will hurt the economy. The second is the lack of management will really cause a strain. It was feelings and not science that lead to the management decisions. You can currently share your thoughts as a public right now that hopefully help with future management of wolves in CO.

[@tstouder]

I'm a resident also here in CO. Denver and Boulder voted this in and I'd love to see the wolves introduced in those areas first. I haven't see wolves yet, in the areas we hunt elk or deer. BUT, they are appearing in the northern end of our unit...so it's just a matter of time before we see them on the south side. they will decimate the herds in a few years.

[@Nunya-gk9fr]

So deal with them if you have to, simple as that. they should definitely be reintroduced

[@dmanatan]

@@Nunya-gk9fr LoL. Definitely based on what??

[@Nunya-gk9fr]

@@dmanatan because they belong there , why not. Should they be managed? Yes. I’m definitely not some liberal goof making emotional decisions either, watch your dog, watch your kids, watch your cattle, get a gun, they’re not a Terrible as everyone acts. People have lived with them for years as well as mountain lions, grizzlies etc. nature will always take its course. The only reason people don’t want it is for their own convenience, todays world could use a little more inconvenience

[@AZ-kr6ff]

@@orionsshoe2424 Yeah. They definitely won't, you know, reproduce or anything.

[@IWantToBeATree]

I live in a national park in canada and the wolves can be a huge problem. My dog (Golden retriever/Husky mix) caught scent of the pack that was on the property. There was 4 that i could see and my dog wouldn't listen at first. He was freaking out. Thankfully i got him inside, i tried to scare the wolves off with some loud noises and a spotlight. They stood completely still and stared at me about 30m away, one looked massive, around 4 feet. Thankful for my dog as i was outside with him at the time doing late night woodwork with my back to where the wolves were.

[@spiderhands]

Thats not a huge problem, thats just you not wanting to understand your dog should be at risk in the wilderness

[@MyAsh05]

Wednesday & Thursday's podcast is not showing up on Spotify even though it tells me there's new episodes!!!!!

[@matthewg17]

The overlords didn't like them

[@blakestevenson813]

As a Canadian let me say this wolf's are one of the predators that can compete with humans without guns and most people probably don't own guns or know how to shoot them properly people will die in Canada we had a lady in Cape Breton who was kill by a pack of coyotes wolves are larger and more aggressive

[@saltysea411]

Every time humans get involved, we mess things up.

[@Mattatamus]

Except for when we eradicated all the wolves apparently. I guess that was a win and should be preserved

[@durden91tyler]

you mean win? triumph. survive? thrive? what do oyu mean mess things up? you mean alter our surroundings to better suit our needs and expand? just because you can think doesnt mean your not a meat eating air breathing animal like all these other savage monsters like bears and sharks and crocs, you think theyd not eat you cause your cute? wtf is this mentality? so you prefer animals to people, okay..... get a fucking dog and go live in the woods then, theres plenty of places for you to go. i like my living spaces .

[@thistledewoutdoors3331]

​@@Mattatamus Youve never lived a day in the country... Have no clue about how devastating the coyote really is

[@JA-rs3os]

We live with wolves all around in Canada and they never harm people or the environment. They're peaceful animals, that yes, hunt for food, but you rarely ever get in the way.

[@tylerconrad453]

That's also been my experience. They are the most amazing animal I've ever encountered. But the wolf bias is a hard egg to crack--they get so much unjustified hate.

[@Jrodshoots]

I love hunting oversized coyotes ;) the flat tops are going to be fun this year

[@tylerconrad453]

@@Jrodshoots I can promise that there is more enjoyment in valuing the beauty of creatures than destroying the beauty of creatures. One of the things that the resurrection of Jesus teaches us is that beauty is bound up with life and not death.

[@chrismcclain6518]

Do you live in a rural area with wolves, cattle and dogs? Wolves are misunderstood…by the people who don’t have to deal with them.

[@TheOutlawMan]

Canada is not the US

[@Jgmo209]

Wolves have been know as keystone species, very beneficial. If there are wolves to prevent overgrazing, then more organisms have access to vegetation when it’s in a state of plant succession that they evolved with(because they evolved with wolves) Big benefits. Plants control their ecosystems for the bottom up and overgrazing has big effects.

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

We just have to be careful bro. If it turns into invasive species too fast you gotta get people trying to figure out wolf meat recipes that are actually worth it. Ill try some of that. I dont wsmt the rat or the bugs though. Ill try manly meat like wolf, bear, elk, deer, cow, chicken cluck cluck like a duck and what else, maybe goat? Pork. Bacon bro. Bacon is a gift from God. Thats how you know the muslims have the wrong god. I definetly think we have positives and negatives. I dont like wolves coming into my area though bro. I dont have the gun budget to handle a pack of 7

[@killingjoke535]

​@@TheAnnoyingBoss How can they be "invasive " when they were originally native???

[@TheAnnoyingBoss]

@@killingjoke535 "they were originally native" yeah, and then they left and a bunch of new speices moved in that couldnt when there was wolves. Now theyll be eaten, the wolf population will go up and then collapse as all the food is eaten and now you have less wolves and less lf other speices. The Trex and sabertooth tiger were native species too. We dont wsnt to bring them back, theyll eat everything that has since moved in after they left

[@juliaorr8503]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss the only invasive species on this planet is humans

[@juliaorr8503]

@@TheAnnoyingBoss they didn't "leave" !! they were killed to extinction