Skinwalker Ranch Is A Grift. There, I Said It. | Answers With Joe

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Skinwalker Ranch is touted as one of the most active paranormal hotspots in the world. It's also one of the most lucrative. Let's talk about what's really happening (and not happening) at Skinwalker Ranch.
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[@lasalsssa]

My biggest problem with skinwalker ranch is that it seems like it doesn’t know what it wants to be. You have aliens, skin walkers, portals, ghosts and spirits???? It’s like they took every famous myth/legend and blended them to get as much interest as possible. What are the chances that of all things unimaginable, they’re ALL concentrated in skinwalker ranch?

[@CaseyAvalon]

Lmao

[@kradehteno8233]

Santa Claus might pay them a visit too

[@goldenmemes51]

@@kradehteno8233 and captain crunch

[@froeloe]

it’s an elaborate “mysterious” human-driven sensationalized fake but very convincing story. they’re doing a great job so far.

[@user-A1A1]

@Authentic sure...

[@Darksomnium]

I used to spend the summers in Fort Duchesne Utah at my grandparents house, Which is right next to Ballard. The entire 24 years I was there nothing weird happened. I almost wish it was haunted or something cause it's so boring out there lol Edit: I also wanted to say that I grew up in this area and there's alot in this video that I didn't know and it was really cool to have one of my favorite KZbin channels teach me about the place I grew up in haha. Second edit: I forgot that if you edit your comment, it takes away the heart a channel gave you...

[@maxh.365]

I can confirm. Utah is rather boring. Which is granted why I like it…

[@vlork666]

Oh crap I didn't expect to see you here, listening to your videos gets me through long days at work

[@Darksomnium]

@@vlork666

[@thatsnodildo1974]

Love your videos man

[@einienj3281]

😄 I've been waiting for someone to call them out..

[@mahina1963]

As a skinwalker myself, I can confirm that this is a grift. We skinwalkers are are not bound by form, species or geographic location. There, I said it.

[@Odd_Combo]

Well played. Dig it!

[@catavajonexcel9324]

Seems pretty legit

[@Odd_Combo]

@@catavajonexcel9324 I’m not easily fooled, but, I believe him.

[@mattbshiesty]

Doubt it

[@lensenstark9819]

I'm a werewolf let’s hang out some time👍

[@BobBob-qg4lo]

"Skinwalker ranch is a grift" Sounds like something a skinwalker would say...

[@audreyr.johnson8965]

I am on the Skinwalker Ranch skeptic bandwagon. My biggest question is: When the Shermans moved in they said that there were huge shutters & padlocks on the inside of of all of the windows & doors, which is unusual for a rural home... Why the huge security? (This is where my imagination goes into overdrive... Perhaps there is some type of drug cartel activity in the area & the Shermans wanted no part of it, or got on the wrong side of it - so the "paranormal" activity was actually things being done to warn them/keep them in line. To escape the situation they sold the property at a loss & to ensure they weren't putting anyone else in danger sold it to this research company as opposed to someone who would live there.) It sounds bizarre, I know, but I lived in a remote mountain town for a year that seemed like Mayberry on the surface & was actually fueled by organized crime.

[@xybersurfer]

actually it sounds like the most plausible suggestion, i've read in these comments

[@sirscrotumthethird7096]

Brilliant!

[@lulumoon6942]

VERY plausible, well stated.

[@thewildcardperson]

follow the money wasn't it a billionaire who bought it then moved a "research" team in could just be a film crew

[@patwest1815]

How old were these buildings? There was a time not that long ago where every house in the west was well secured.

[@AlphaAchilles]

As soon as I hear someone claim something is “millions of years old” I immediately know they have no idea what they are talking about.

[@elizabethpemberton8445]

The combination of spooky happenings and rich natural resources in the area sent my brain straight to Scooby Doo.

[@Kevin-t6n4d]

It's amazing that a places like Skinwalker ranch can make all these claims that have absolutely no proof

[@tara5742]

I had never heard of this place. Sometimes things that are sort of like Santa Claus, but for adults is fun. As long as it doesn’t go too far.

[@paulbradford6475]

Tara, for a measured look at the weird phenomena at the ranch, I suggest two books: "Hunt for the Skinwalker" by Colm A. Kelleher and George Knapp, and "UFO's, myths, conspiracies and realities" by John B. Alexander. The Alexander book is especially enlightening regarding how the government interprets and handles unusual events like UFO's at Skinwalker ranch and other such unexplained happenings around the world.

[@Betleyman7853]

You mean like religions?

[@TK2692]

Yeah, it's one thing to enjoy stories and think about how interesting it would be if something like alien visitations and abductions or whatever were real, but it's something else entirely when people actually start to believe them as absolute truth, and then engage in conspiratorial thinking just because those beliefs aren't accepted as fact. It's like so many people have forgotten how to have healthy skepticism when considering outlandish claims, and people are more willing to just believe whatever they want to be true.

[@dogsbollox4335]

George knapp will believe anything ,he thinks James van prague is a real psychic 😅😅

[@Meilk27]

@@paulbradford6475 I wouldn't purchase anything from George Knapp. He's another Nutjob who pretends UFOs are real. His career is built on that. Financially motivated. Not even worth a second look

[@stephaniesadie832]

Ice circles in rivers are a natural phenomona, theres a guy in Alberta can reproduce them to demand in his lab, its all to do with circulation and temperature.

[@Ickuriss]

Well my gawwd Joe! This just puts ANOTHER ding in my reality check ........ Thanks dude. Lol I know that there are a lot of hyped up, money-grabbing situations out there but I also want to keep believing that there is something Supernatural as well

[@MalO.ver1.0.x]

To be honest, I really like the name Skinwalker Ranch. It's eerie and something I would probably name my ranch in Harvest Moon.

[@AlisonBryen]

My favourite scene was in season one when Travis Taylor literally stuck his head in a cesspit and then complained about feeling ill. The show then tried to pass it of as symptoms of radiation exposure 🙄.

[@frankG335]

Kind of like the eternal show about the supposed lost treasure on an island. It's not that innocent when people believe it to the point where there are 2 girls who tried to murder their friend in order to sacrifice her to the skinwalkers. So it's not always innocent to believe in crazy stuff.

[@alicemilton8756]

Maybe the giant black bulletproof wolf will come back and eat them all

[@SpydersByte]

19:44 finally a sponsor I can get behind, I've bought like 6 displates and they've all been amazing. If anyone is a Final Fantasy fan they have a lot of good ones. The one of Aeris in the red dress? NSFW but it's absolutely stunning

[@phangirl2484]

pretty sure displate steals art and sells it without the creators permission... at least they used to

[@janbounds911]

My prob is on Secret Of Skinwalker Ranch is the cow that died was black and white. Later, when they went to see 'the cow that predators won't eat', the cow had changed to a brown n white bog-standard hereford cow. That's spooky. Ahem.

[@goodlookingcorpse]

When they occupied the area, the Archaic people were called the Completely-Up-To-Date people.

[@NP44449]

Documentaries where research is involved should be pretty obvious as to intent. They are trying to share their findings with the public... and any monies made from the TV show aid by providing access to the top specialists and equipment. You are leaving out the part where the government tried to crack the code for years and won't release their findings. The only logical conclusion as to why is that what they found would cause mass hysteria.

[@jerometaperman7102]

Applying Occam's razor, I vote SCAM.

[@pitolove3846]

Yeah.. You ask me about my property or profit from it--a perfect stranger--& I'm definitely going to halt any future conversations.

[@UberHypnotoad]

They can do what they want with their own money, but once they’re using our tax dollars to research something, we should all get their methods and results.

[@DrewLSsix]

That's not how it works. That's not how it has ever worked.

[@henridenim8951]

@@DrewLSsix It is, however, how it works in the EU

[@danieljensen2626]

@@DrewLSsix That's not too say it's not how it SHOULD work though, especially with matters that couldn't possibly be relevant to national security.

[@Kremit_the_Forg]

@@henridenim8951 Depends highly on what exactly is studied. Studies/tests regarding military /law enforcment technology are payed with tax money and depending on exactly what type of test/study it is, you'll never see results or hear from it in the first place. That's pretty much a universal rule across the continents.

[@birdfartfpv4205]

Don't you worry, any patentable material or technology the government comes up with out of this will be given to some industry titan for safe keeping.

[@TheClearSight]

the most funny thing, that the camera team seems not to have any problem at all. their equipment and staff must have paranormal activity shielding around them.

[@anonymouse7074]

I watched the rocket launch clip. Mega cringe when the guys electronics all shut off in the car, but the cameras don't. I would be more interested in why his laptops don't have batteries than that rocket launch.

[@appletherapy]

@@anonymouse7074 My only theory is that the paranormal creatures don’t want us to record the evidence. It just means they’re way smarter than they let on. Probibly even very keen on the media and hivemind mentality politics pushes out. Note, ghosts drain batteries too. Could they be the same very intelegent creatures trying to fool us? But you’re right, the cup doesn’t hold water no matter how you tell it.

[@Rimmsolin]

I thought about the laptops too. Only explanation I had was that they recreated something that happened off camera.

[@TheClearSight]

@@Rimmsolin then they would have to mention it that it is a recreation etc. no something is fishy.

[@杨鹏-n4i]

yes...that is what i'm taking about ！is the “ghost”want people to see them ？so why just shut the cameras down ！

[@jackielinde7568]

Joe, I think I can answer the Alien-Cow-Butt thing... by going to Africa, were you have Lion-Zebra-Butt thing and Hyena-Zebra-Butt thing, or even in the Mohave and Sonoran Deserts where you have the Vulture-Cow-Butt thing and Vulture-Horse-Butt thing. See, hide can be a touch thing, so a lot of animals will tear into the rectum of a carcass because the hide is thinnest there and requires less work to access those protein rich organs and muscle tissues. And Aliens, being the smart people they are, probably observed this and adopted it under their "work smarter, not harder" philosophy.

[@kirkbrown1267]

thank you or that

[@DanCooper404]

Here in New York State, we have the Coyote-Deer Butt-thing. They naturally go for the meatiest part first.

[@joescott]

Actually, I think this is the answer. Scavengers tend to go for the tender bits. Buttholes and eyes. Which are exactly what the Shermans experienced with their cattle...

[@glance302]

@@jacktyler58 Seems like an "I can't explain it, so...aliens" situation

[@joshuahadams]

It’s similar in Labrador. Seagulls, ravens, and crows go through the eyes, mouth, and butt of dead animals to get at the guts and meat. Once you think about scavengers and their methods a lot of these things simpler.

[@robw2379]

When in line at the supermarket, I used to browse a tabloid rag called the "Weekly World News". It always had a headline about a werewolf, bat-boy, or bigfoot. One week, they published an issue with the headline "Gay Martian Vampire Gets AIDS". It was the most awesomely ridiculous thing I had ever seen and bought the issue. Unsurprisingly, the full article had no real pictures or evidence, but some neighbors were interviewed about the "strange goings on" next door. The only logical explanation was apparently a homosexual extraterrestrial in poor health with a blood fetish. After reading the headline, the article was a pretty huge disappointment. The "Weekly World News" has since gone out of print, but I can only assume that their entire writing and editorial staff has since gotten work at the History Channel.

[@CrustyMcButternuts]

I remember that shit from visiting my cousins in the 90s! One of the headlines was something like "half-man half-alligator marries two-headed elvis clone".

[@rlorendean]

Favorite tabloid headline, "Followers get high smelling guru's feet".

[@classiclife7204]

That rag was funnier than the Onion.

[@skyking9835]

My favorite was "Terrified Toddler Tormented by Teddy Bear Possessed by Demons"

[@jswong8200]

That rag was awesome! It was a satire rag, actually. Sort of like a pre-Internet version of The Onion crossed with X-files.

[@angeldelvax7219]

Ice circles are actually a rare natural phenomenon. As far as I understand it, they can happen when pieces of ice on a moving stream start to freeze together. Sometimes a piece of ice can get closed in, but because of the still moving water underneath, it slowly turns around. This turning causes it to collide with the ice around it, but not freeze to it, and eventually the piece gets bigger, and bigger. The constant movement causes shavings around the edge, and it's obviously round because it keeps spinning slowly, causing both the piece and the ice around it to "erode" in to that round shape. come to think of it; this could actually be an interesting idea for a video, if you haven't done that yet XD (sorry, haven't seen all your video's yet...)

[@TheMcal9909]

Ice crcles form where eddies are present. This is where the waters current moves in a circlular motion, usually these are found where the bank of a river or stream curves in towards the land.

[@Win7ermu7e]

There is literally hours and hours of ice circle footage on the internet from all over the globe. It's hardly an unexplained or unusual phenomenon. Also, Skinwalker Ranch is about as legitimate as Bar Rescue.

[@Back_and_Better_Than_You]

I see these in the creek near where I live sometimes-I wondered what natural phenomenon caused this.

[@gothafloxacin]

​@@Win7ermu7e Hey don't say that- bar rescue is at least entertaining enough.

[@billyo.9969]

I don't mean to sound rude, honestly, but did you actually watch the video? The ice circle, shown starting at 15:00, is a circle "etched" in the ice. I know what you are describing about the floating ice circles formed in rivers and steams. They are really neat to see. This ice circle was "supposedly" found etched in ice and there were "supposedly" no traces of tracks or prints that could explain how it was made. I guess we are supposed to believe that something came from the sky and hovered above the ice, then etched a circle without melting it and flew away. I live in Northern Maine. If I walk across a frozen stream that isn't covered in snow, I don't leave tracks or prints either. I'm not really sure what was Paranormal about it. But, like the show, it makes good entertainment when you're bored and don't have anything else to do.

[@brentcowell2294]

My concern has always been the issues with all of their electronic devices. They show so many issues with various electronic devices all over the ranch such as cell phones, ground-penetrating radar devices, etc. however, there are never any issues with the television cameras. The last time I checked, TV cameras were also electronic devices. Why don't they experience failures?

[@codename495]

How could they document the electronic failures if they didn’t use skinwalker proof cameras?

[@tabithacooper3625]

Hey good question

[@BJ-bi9xv]

@@codename495 😂

[@yevrah2866]

@@codename495 damn, can they make my phone skinwalker proof? What materials do you need to make your phone skinwalker proof.

[@kurthauenstein6401]

Lol.

[@oumarh.gassama8063]

Okay, after "Robert Bigelow, Paranormal Giggolo" I needed like 5 minutes to get my shit together and continue watching. Thanks Joe. :-D

[@HRae87]

I couldn't stop thinking that when I first heard the dudes name

[@Alesha_Lewer]

It was hilarious and I needed a few minutes to recover as well 🤣

[@Junkinsally]

Best line ever! The dude even looks like a 70’s/80’s Giggolo!

[@oumarh.gassama8063]

@@Junkinsally Gosh, you're right, indeed he does! 😀

[@MajinRixch]

as a native I always find it interesting when people talk about skin walkers, for one a lot of people commonly confuse skin walkers with wendigos (or they somehow combine the two) and secondly lots of tribes believe in skin walkers but the only main theme between all of them is an evil person or spirit that can shape shift or imitate animals. for example in my tribe I've never heard that a skin walker was some type of witch or did witchcraft, although there is people you could call witches, to us a skin walker is usually a person who murdered a family member and becomes an evil spirit, they can shape shift and they'll mess with you by misplacing things or scaring like horses or cows, and if they are in animal form and they stare at you and you look into their eyes they can make you kill yourself and do other evil things to you. there's also some interesting things about owls but that's another story.

[@brokentoy8616]

Non american here, but what tribe are you?

[@GTSN38]

I'm a native American and all I can tell people is it's all BS. Everyone likes a scary story and that's all it is, a story. When a hungry bear is trying to eat you, does it really matter if it's an evil spirit or just a plain ol' bear ?

[@scoobertdoobert-v4z]

I can tell you the whole skinwalker idea becoming popular in the mainstream is due to a few different creepypasta stories from 4chan etc around 2011-13 ish getting massive amounts of reshares/retellings across social media platforms. Meme culture and bs paranormal media has carried it since then

[@Mortthemoose]

​@@GTSN38very interesting to hear from a native American....thank you. I'm British, and I vividly remember my mum telling me that a huge Crocodile lived in the pond on the farm just across from our house (obviously to stop me playing in the deep pond). I used to play all over the farm (pretty dangerous games too! Lol), but I NEVER played in that pond! I was a little tom boy (little girl that loves playing in the outdoors....not indoors, with make up and dolls) and played in all kinds of dangerous places, miles from home. The funny thing is, that the uk, doesn't even have Crocodiles in the wild! 😅 Most cultures have their boogey men, who will eat little children if they do this or that....and like you said, it's just to try and keep children safe most of the time.

[@flowersandblood]

Malevolent tricksters

[@incubusprime2578]

I can't, for the life of me, figure out why so many people will watch these shows where someone in the background says "Hey, what was that" and then the camera man just turns and runs away, screaming the whole time. Then they cut to a studio interview where someone says they heard a voice. There's never any proof, and even if they play a clip of the supposed audio, it's distorted to the point where you can't tell if it was recorded in situ or not. I like to think I have a healthy skepticism for most things, but I dismiss "supernatural" stuff out of hand these days because there is always an explanation that ends up not being ghosts/ghoblins/specters/aliens, et al.

[@cinderellie9583]

Here here! If it werent for personal experience, of which ive had some, i wouldnt believe any of this crap. Reality tv is so rediculous

[@Rattus-Norvegicus]

"Coughghosthunterscough"

[@dewiz9596]

I’d include biblical “miracles” in with the supernatural stuff. . . Burning Bush, walking on water, Lazarus, water into wine among them. . .

[@NattyFlump]

Exactly! This is the thing that always gets me, there's never any good evidence presented - it's all smoke and mirrors. People lose their scepticism because they want it to be true, so they ignore the conventional explanations. The only thing I can think of that does have evidence, and research projects, are the Hessdalen lights in Norway. That's what I'd expect to see if there was a genuine phenomena occurring - documented observation.

[@AvangionQ]

Why do people watch this crap? Life is so bad that people want to believe in escapism and magical thinking. Whether that be conspiracy nonsense or religion or the paranormal or reality TV or whatever else speaks to you. To a lesser extent, it's why we read, play and watch fantasy and SciFi, though I'd never say those who do believe this is real, but there's a similarity.

[@Anyuism]

Reality television is what happened when supermarkets started thinning down on the tabloids.

[@razeezar]

Tabloids are alive and well in Australia... Except that their covers focus on the same fake British royal family breakup stories every issue.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

MSM and network news picked up the slack.

[@jonathansoko1085]

I actually buy the tabloids still, why? Because its fun. Anytime im at the supermaket i buy a copy if its new.

[@elinahailie1072]

@@razeezar Interesting! I know nothing about tabloid culture on Australia but now I know something

[@jcortese3300]

And when traveling sideshows stopped being a thing.

[@abigaillayton6043]

I’m from this area of Utah. I do really believe there’s something off and most people I talk to about it feel the same. At the same time, I do really believe their stories are highly exaggerated. I did try and visit the ranch in 2015 and stopped by the military. I always found that weird

[@OceanMachine_]

Have you ever seen anything out of the ordinary?

[@oyaji_sus6882]

​@@OceanMachine_Being stopped by the military from entering a private (TV show owned) land is not out of the ordinary?

[@kaitlynmaxwell3737]

​@@OceanMachine_ Obviously there's something weird that goes on there, otherwise the military wouldn't have a continued invested interest in it. I live in Utah today, and it is still land that is blocked off to tourists. You must be there on official business.

[@b22times]

most military secrets are not brought to public attention by commercial shows @@kaitlynmaxwell3737

[@NathanTarantlawriter]

Or it might be the fact there's like 9 military bases, air forces bases, and space force bases around it. @@kaitlynmaxwell3737

[@keiththorpe9571]

This is exactly like the Amityville house. Several owners have lived there in the decades since the Lutz's reported their 'paranormal experiences' in the 1970s. None of them have ever reported anything like what was claimed by the Lutz family.

[@jackielinde7568]

Yeah, I kind of got that sense with the quote, "They didn't get there until the Shermans got there." Maybe they realized the property wasn't worth the investment and decided to spice things up to make some money.

[@dontworryaboutit4255]

Some people carry some demons around then. Or maybe the spirits were happy with everyone but certain people they couldn't handle. Same thing could apply for both circumstances. Or you know, with Skinwalker ranch, you never know. Times change.

[@HckrNeo1]

It's funny how every time something "paranormal" happens there's always two constants: zero actual evidence and some huckster is selling a book/show/movie about it. Now I'm not saying they're making stuff up for money or attention but...yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.

[@rickymcginnis7300]

@@dontworryaboutit4255 That's what I always contended. It's the people themselves that are like a radio receiver but only certain individuals are tuned into a proper station...

[@herrschmidt5477]

shocking

[@les6645]

"Robert Bigelow, Paranormal Gigolo" I'm dead.

[@jeremymcgrath3301]

How did this comment only get 69 likes...?

[@mikeclarke952]

The fact that Bigalow sold it tells me there's nothing going on there. He loves this stuff, if there was actual weirdness going on there it would be priceless to him, he'd never sell it, ever.

[@cinderellie9583]

Right but if nothing is going on why would he have kept it for so long? Maybe its not a mystery to him anymore?

[@piccalillipit9211]

THATS a good point. Yeah, he is not short of the cash is he, so logic says he found nothing and got shut...

[@kylek29]

True .. Did he sell it or did he transfer it to a holding company? Adamantium Holdings is a shell corporation, so it's possible he's still involved with it but the show/products required it go into a holding corporation.

[@chrisguerra2848]

I agree, but I also look at the other hand and think that if there was something there then whatever it is, is no longer there or removed from the property. And will never be located again. So it's either option A of nothing was ever there ever and Bigalow sold the property because it's of no interest to him or his companies. Or option B where there was something there and he removed it and secured it in some military base or lab. And the new owners Brandon Fugal will never have any chance of finding out what is or was there that Bigalow removed or found out about. Those are my two theories about the property which just expands a little on your theory you've stated.

[@Roush97BC]

@@cinderellie9583 Well he was getting government funds for research, he sold it after that program was cancelled

[@vladdracul7810]

Skinwalker ranch has always sounded like BS to me.. Ya want giant shape shifting werewolves? We got 'em! Ya want bigfoots? We got 'em! Ya want aliens? We got 'em! Ya want ghost? We got 'em! Step right up ladies and gentlemen! See anything your twisted mind can dream up! Just don't expect to get a picture. Werewolves, bigfoots, aliens, and ghost are way too smart for that.

[@DrMackSplackem]

Haha, like the guy who used to go on Coast To Coast AM and talk about his research into psychic sasquatch. There's a ufo connection, too.

[@gaiusleviathan8110]

It’s because what we call “aliens” “ghosts” and “Bigfoot” are quasi-intelligent, partially imaginal, manifestations from the spirit realm. Maybe They are too smart to be captured on camera, or maybe their very manifesting interferes with electronics. Skinwalker Ranch is merely a place where these things can manifest with relative ease

[@DrMackSplackem]

@@gaiusleviathan8110 Oh yeah, mannn. Manifestaions...purple kush, and those Owsley Stanleys we did back in the day really meant something. It's like suddenly, everything around that portal we opened back then is only now finally all coming together, and stuff.

[@lensenstark9819]

@@gaiusleviathan8110 Omg I’ve never heard such bs😂 Like fr. Where did u get this from? Your understanding of science must be very limited lol

[@yaellramirez69]

Such a fair analysis. THIS is why I watch and trust your judgments Mr Joe. Even with all your success, you seem to keep your authenticity. So respectable

[@InfinityDsbm]

The guys a muppet lol

[@TheBeakersDream]

@@InfinityDsbm Going out on a limb here and assuming that you don't like his arguments and thus resort to insults

[@mooselightning8391]

@@InfinityDsbm your a muppet if you think joe is a muppet. Lighten up man, maybe you need read up on Sigmund Freud on your infinity name tag..

[@InfinityDsbm]

@@mooselightning8391 im entitled to my opinion, his face + personality annoys me

[@InfinityDsbm]

@@TheBeakersDream I like his arguments he is just anoying im9

[@stixvane]

Sounds like the land is full of toxic minerals and gasses that when effecting a person strange things happen...

[@TK2692]

The real question is why those aliens and warlocks put them there in the first place....

[@gaiusleviathan8110]

I think that’s absolutely part of it. Even the guys on The History channel show claimed they had symptoms of radiation sickness

[@thomasdickson35]

I live in Utah and grew up Mormon. Let me tell you, this state is one big grift. Beautiful nature though.

[@trevorwhite915]

The problem I have with “reality TV shows” is I was talking to an actor who told me the best paying job he ever had was being on the Australian version of BigBrother.

[@LazyRare]

all fake anyway

[@enysuntra1347]

@@LazyRare If that only were so, then we'd know people weren't really that stupid...

[@DrBe-zn5fv]

thats cuz the rats ate his face and 2 and 2 are 22 as well

[@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13]

You needed to talk to an actor to realise that?... Man you should have a chat to some of the producers of these literal puppet shows. I've had the mixed fortunes of getting to know some of the more influential Australian ones professionally. Of all the corporate media grifters and charlatans, except for maybe the news gatekeepers, the "reality show" producers appear to be exclusively doing the work of Satan himself. Intentional cultural degeneracy... Aimed at those of us least able to see what they're doing.

[@shonaodonnell4848]

How were big brother contestants actors? Lol as an Australian I can confirm this is absolute rubbish lol

[@pAWNproductionsDE]

As much as UFOs and aliens fascinate me, I always appreciate rational, well-researched explanations. There's enough legitimate stuff related to aliens that we can't explain even without people making a spectacle out of it all

[@TheMetahedron]

Yeah, I'm tired of this Area 51 crap. Everyone knows that the Aliens are in Hanger 18 at Wright Patterson Air force base in Ohio. 👾

[@captainstabbin5374]

@@TheMetahedron a scientist who proved he worked there talked about some of the stuff hed seen there including futuristic technology and fingerprint scanning doors all the way back before that stuff existedf

[@TheMetahedron]

@@captainstabbin5374 Megadeth - Hanger 18 [Official Video] [3D]

[@VintageWarfare]

define rational

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@TheMetahedron The Aliems are simply scouting this planet to see if its worth conquering yet. I've informed them that we're a waste of time.

[@apathyreview3964]

So here is the thing, I stay on a farm and you gotta understand that farmers view cattle deaths as VERY serious and cattle dying under suspicious circumstances would fuel all kinds of speculation and supernatural explanations. It's like a perfect storm of conditions it seems.

[@-xirx-]

There is a theory that some of the original cattle mutilation stories were faked as a way for those farmers to collect on the insurance, through an "act of God" clause (or fake a lightening strike as opposed to regular death through illness). It became so prevalent that insurance companies started offering "alien mutilation cattle insurance". No joke, check it out.

[@baneverything5580]

Our entire community went through very terrifying things very similar to Skinwalker Ranch in the 1960s-70s. Something killed my cousin`s animals....a dozen large deer hounds ripped to pieces in their pens, pony found dead 30 feet up in an oak tree, all his chickens dead. There were multiple UFOs seen in the area along with beings that tried to get into houses during the sightings. One hovered over the truck my brother and I were in and we had nearly four hours of missing time. Multiple witnesses, including myself, saw a large red glowing head putting off heat in our house. Giant birds were seen, and my cousin saw a large black flying creature right before he found his dogs dead, and my aunt saw it ripping branches from a large tree. I saw the damage it did to the tree and the limbs it snapped from the tree were several inches in diameter. Multiple members of my family lived on 30 acres there and we all moved. The family who bought our house abandoned it within weeks after all the doors flew off their hinges.

[@ExpatZ266]

@@baneverything5580 Proof?

[@slartibartfast7921]

@RobertRagnarsson Sad to say, you’re right, but due to the caloric return compared to the energy and ecological impact required to produce meat, the very act of animal farming at all is significantly unsustainable.

[@choronos]

To me it sounds like the Shermans were tired of losing cattle and just wanted to get the hell out, so they were willing to take a hit financially. I don't think they were deliberately concocting lies, I think the stories were produced by the combination of the weird circumstances of the cattle deaths and the Sherman's preexisting superstitions. I think it absolutely became a grift as soon as Bigelow sold the ranch to Adamantium Holdings for $4.5 million. All roads going in were blocked off, and a security perimeter of fences and cameras was installed. They also applied for a trademark on "Skinwalker Ranch" which would allow for "providing recreation facilities; entertainment services, namely, creation, development, production, and distribution of multimedia content, internet content, motion pictures, and television shows," and an additional filing to use the trademark for various merchandise. Clearly, this Brandon Fugal guy learned about the ranch and its lore, and saw dollar signs.

[@LydianMelody]

Saying something has a “chemical smell” is kind of like saying something looks like a color.

[@userequaltoNull]

Yeah, but we know what they mean.

[@thecoobs8820]

Do you not know what chemicals smell like? Haven't you been to the hospital? A tattooist? Have you never CLEANED ANYTHING!?

[@fredericgadoury6610]

@@thecoobs8820 his point is, virtually any odour comes from chemicals

[@jack00scarecrow]

@Daniel Paulson i suggest you read her comment properly. As Frederic Gadoury says, "his point is, virtually any odour comes from chemicals"

[@paulbradford6475]

The implication of a "chemical smell" is that it's not natural to the immediate area or local, general environment. If you were in the middle of no where and suddenly you detected the smell of freshly baked bread or perfume for instance, though pleasant, wouldn't you think these smells odd?

[@juantonio0788]

Just a theory but, maybe the Shermans where scared off their property with a ridiculous Scooby Doo like scheme that actually worked. Given the lack of information connectivity back then, I could see how you could put a cleverly devised ruse to scare people off for good.

[@TK2692]

It's far more likely than time traveling ass munching aliens or whatever.

[@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457]

I'm thinking the same thing.

[@MrUbernoob9000]

I like your way of thinking, I'm sure such clever ploys have been attempted with both failure and success over the many centuries and millennia. If prostitution is considered the oldest profession I'd bet scamming is close behind.

[@MrScandinavio]

That was my thinking. But, they werent stupid, they retained the mining rights to the land.

[@juantonio0788]

@@MrScandinavio It still highlights the importance of having meddling teenage potheads with a cowardly dog roaming free around the country knocking down Jimmy McGill type chicannery.

[@99kylies15]

I love how this channel is both skeptic AND polite. Makes for an enjoyable watch.

[@flyingdutchman4794]

Occam's Razor is as sharp as ever. If there are extensive petroleum deposits at the place, then the landowners, the government, and the energy producers all have a vested interest in scaring people away from it, or at least running them off on a wild goose chase. Thanks Joe; an interesting video as always.

[@swoodc]

this is retarded theres petroleum deposits all over the place in that state look on googl earth north and south east from there whats that have to do with the activity

[@MrIrrelevantComments]

Lmao replace petroleum with treasure and you've got every other Scooby Doo episode

[@Smokie181]

This doesn't make sense at all, if anything shrouding the land in mystery is going to attract all kinds of people from all walks of life and bring all kinds of unwanted attention to the area, creating folklore, tales, lies. This peaks human curiosity. Out of the places in society, where are the places we do not go as citizens? Places where there are perimeter setup with some kind of military or security personnel backed by laws and regulations that would lock you up if you break them. Guys with guns is going to scare me off more than some unsolved mystery the intrigues me. Simply and sign that states "Private Property. Trespassers will be shot." is more than enough to deter me.

[@stephenschmill9267]

You're going with the storyline of Scooby Doo ("and they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you pesky kids").

[@b22times]

well if that made sense than it wouldn't be the only such example. More likely just lies and active imaginations stemming from an old native story. I mean it seems americans are quick to believe supernatural events when old indian stories are involved

[@vapormissile]

Ice circles are normal. I've seen a dozen of them in flowing cold water. Strange things happen for free, not on ranches. Eff these guys for muddying the waters. Thanks for the enlightening video, man.

[@JoshGreenSEO]

Came to say this. Here is the wiki on it, but there are tons of videos about it too. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_circle#Ice_discs

[@hastobe303]

Interesting. So, hypothetically, if there is a place with paranormal activity somewhere and someone starts to take economical advantage of it, then it's not a "paranormal spot" anymore? I can see how that makes the owners grifters, but I can't see how that detracts from events that might've been real. Just saying that some strange shit might've actually happened at a ranch, and then someone might've had the brilliantly stupid idea to make a living out of it. One doesn't negate the other.

[@keithmayes4358]

You beat me to it about the ice circles being normal, I saw a documentary about it a few years back describing how they are naturally formed by currents. Nothing to see here folks!

[@vapormissile]

@@hastobe303 No, man. I submit it is NOT any more paranormal than the rest of this haunted planet. They are grifting charlatans, profiting from people's gullibility. Don't be stupider than you need to be. The entire Universe is completely magic. These turds are tricking folks into giving up their money by making them think there is a special deal. They are clowns, quick-change artists, pickpockets, and con men. They have no magic, only tricks and lies. Full stop.

[@hastobe303]

@@vapormissile I never stated it was any more paranormal than the rest of the planet. I was arguing that it’s not any less paranormal than the rest of the planet just because it’s a ranch and people are profiting from it. Please do not insinuate that I’m stupid when clearly it’s you who are making things up. To make it even clearer to someone who might have low capabilities: I have no opinion on these alleged phenomena. I know very little about it and thus I would never say that it’s either true or untrue. However, I do know that a place doesn’t inherently become less ”strange” just because there’s money involved. Let’s say you saw a UFO from your backyard. You are absolutely certain of what you saw, maybe even your next door neighbour saw it as well. But your other neighbour saw it as well and he decided to do lectures, exclusive interviews and movies about it. He’s obviously making a grab for the money, but does that negate that you had a real experience as well?

[@MrYTGuy1]

I love how you have to explain and justify why you don't like dishonesty... I guess dishonesty is just that common and accepted now.

[@asburycollins9182]

Honesty logic and fairness should be some of the most highly regarded attributes

[@DrBe-zn5fv]

liar!

[@jpdemer5]

This is about as shocking as discovering that there are no real pirates on Disney's "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride.

[@cyberfutur5000]

Ok, I just had a weird moment. I recognized a smudge on my screen, an rubbed it away with my thumb. Just than I realized, that it's exactly on the spot of the screen, where Joes cheek was. In that moment I had a strange feeling of unease. You know, when I was little, my grandma used to do that thing, where she liked her tumb, and rubbed it in my face, to get rid of alleged chocolate bits. This was an utter horrible, terrifying and disturbing procedure. And here I am, sitting on my PC, drinking tee and giving Joe the grandma licky thumb treatment. Think I just died a little.

[@Jan-bz4ce]

Wtf man

[@bozena6111]

Hahaha

[@cannibalbananas]

😂 cute

[@samhumphrey5389]

😂😂😂😂

[@kingapri8794]

I'm happy the world knows of this moment in time.

[@kingoliever1]

What to do when visiting another planet Step 1. Take your clothing off so the natives can better see your alien ass, the atmosphere sure is fine Step 2. Just draw random stuff into there fields Step 3. Sneak around so people see you just for a second so at best they get a blurry photo Step 4. Stand at night before someones bed waiting until they wake up and to yell AYY LMAO Step 5. It´s probing time Step 6. Visit a mental ward to show some crazy people aliens are acutely real and give them and tell the most crazy people how your spacecraft works

[@brettkeeler8822]

I lived in the Uintah Basin for a couple of years. Most people out there roll their eyes in disgust and exasperation when you mention the ranch. Humans are a gullible lot.

[@LizardLevi]

The saddest thing is that most likely the native american tribes are not seeing a cent.

[@billyo.9969]

What do you mean? What's sad? Why would the native American tribes see any money? It's not their property. The local tribe has 4.5 MILLION acres with the mineral rights and they make a tremendous amount of money from it.

[@LizardLevi]

​@@billyo.9969 It's been 2 years since i made that comment, but I'll humor us both by actually responding.... Multiple occasions within the video it talks about and refers to Native American tribe reserves, From movies to tv shows it talks about "Skinwalker" which in itself is the name of the Navajo special forces, They do have the right to use and to tell others how to used their names and inform others on how to do so..... There's not a reason why they wouldn't have ownership over their own creation. Furthermore there's a level of understanding normally between nations to not used each other's names, you don't see france using "The U.S Navy Seals" as the official name of their Air Force, or Germany using "Texan's den" as a name for a cave that no one should go into..... A name has alot of meaning, and misuse of that name can be insulting (which all these people making money off "Skinwalker" 100% are) the tribes who have every right to use their name however they want should get a cut of the pay for the use of their creation if not complete oversight on how its used

[@billyo.9969]

@@LizardLevi I was in the USMC. We were called a lot of things to include Devil Dog's. Does that mean if a person makes money using the name Devil Dog, that I should get a % of their earnings? I was married to Rose from the Rosebud Reservation in SD. I know the mentallity of the tribes. Just because you make up a name doesn't give you permanent rights to anyone else not being able to use it.

[@LizardLevi]

@@billyo.9969 the difference between skinwalker and devil dogs is that "devil dogs" is the nickname of your unit.... Navajo skinwalkers were ALL of the Navajo special forces..... Just like the USMC. So while specific skinwalkers might have a specific nickname all skinwalkers are skinwalkers, just because you are a devil dog doesn't mean you aren't a marine. As for not having rights to something you create, actually there's this thing called copyright, while i may disagree with its existence. Copyright DOES happen at point of creation.... Ask Micky mouse why he has lawyers who stop people from using him in their commercial property without compensation

[@jelenahegser445]

these ice circles are quite common. i saw something a like in norway. I think they form by a circular stream of whater, around the freezing point. so a patch of ice forms, and begins to rotate, while ice forms from the sides of the river. and because the patch in the middle rotates, the ice forms a perfeckt circle. when the circle and the sorrounding ice meets, the circle stops spinning and the ice fuses together, to form one continous path of ice, with a circle in the middle. i thik it is even possible to make a small skale experiment with a pump and some citchen stuff.

[@lucaswallo8127]

bruh

[@kolgax2064]

Well I encourage you to try it and upload a video to KZbin. Explain your theory, set up an experiment and report your results even if it doesn't pan out like you think

[@robw2379]

That's just what an alien/mole man/lizard person would say, so.... keep away from my butt with that probe.

[@rustymustard7798]

@@kolgax2064 This is a well known phenomenon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_circle

[@kolgax2064]

@@rustymustard7798 Sure, but in the middle of a crop field? Hmmm wait I don't know why but I thought someone had posited that as an explanation for some crop circles...

[@briangarrow448]

Grifting seems to be a growth industry in the past decade or so. I have passed by my “bumblefuckery acceptence” quotient during this period. I used to be interested in these kinds of stories. I can’t accept them anymore. I’ll keep my fantasy stuff on the pages of thrilling alternative history novels or grimdark tomes.

[@joshuamiller8235]

I hear you, I grew up being naturally curious about the fringe world, not truly ever really believing it, but all of it opened my eyes to the sciences. But yeah, I just find myself annoyed nowadays at all the people who believe this stuff hook line and sinker.

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

Yes it's called growing up and getting wiser.

[@mikeygee4564]

Grifting has always been around. It's just more exposed and proven these days. But yes, there is a new surge of profiteers getting on board

[@davidk1308]

I'm the same way. I'm on the younger side of adulthood, but when I was in my early/mid teens, I would watch every alien and paranormal show I could find on Netflix, with a smattering of astronomy and disaster shows (like how to survive the end of the world or evacuate Earth). I don't know when I started getting bored of them, and just watched science and space related documentaries, but it was entertaining when it lasted. Looking back, there was a lot of interesting info on urban legends and cryptids, and ideas and explanations that would make a pretty cool science fiction or fantasy story, so I just let my imagination run.

[@raidenwolfe6495]

You hit the nail on the head...this stuff used to terrified me...

[@blanchequizno7306]

One of the problems with Skinwalker Ranch is that the paranormal events rest solely on the testimony of those who SOLD the ranch (and stayed on), who had every incentive to make it juicy.

[@divinity1079]

The show has some extremely compelling stuff, unless it’s faked (which is very well may be; I wouldn’t doubt it)

[@appletherapy]

The biggest evidence are the people who are putting their reputation on the line. If this whole thing turns out to be fake, then a lot of people are going to be labeled as crooks. Including doctors and public figures. I’d even wonder why the government bothered testing the area if there’s other areas very identicle to skinwalker ranch

[@CRneu]

@@divinity1079 wait do people actually think reality tv is real? lmao holy crap no way

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@divinity1079 It’s all edited.,,

[@spirocorbett3839]

not true. a team of experts was sent by a third party.

[@pistolen87]

I'm going to stay open minded, but not so much that my brain falls out.

[@joshuamiller8235]

The actual scientists involved in this show should be ashamed of themselves imo. I was onboard with the show at first because I thought they were going to conduct legit experiments, What we got is middle school level science fair exhibits mixed with soap opera level cliff hangers to keep people watching. And why were the "experiments" only run once? Travis of all people should know the scientific method. And I'm pretty sure if they detected radiation strong enough to damage skin, the insurance company would have shut the production down. I have SOOOO many little nitpicks with this show, I'm gonna stop now or I'll be here all day.

[@johnmccarron7066]

Considering how lethal this area is to cattle due to the likely presence of carcinogens, fossil fuel gasses, etc., I would say hallucinations from being slowly poisoned by their ranch was behind a good chunk of what the Shermans saw. I think they did see and experience things, but that doesn't make it supernatural. Combined with the psychological stress of losing so many cattle (which is ROUGH on small ranchers; they will likely know their stock by name and personality, not numbers), there's a lot of ground to here for the conditions that could lead to stress induced hallucinations brought on by chemical exposure.

[@michaelchildish]

Now this is interesting. I think aliens likely exist somewhere in the humongous universe, but I don't think they're HERE at all. I did briefly fall down the rabbit-hole because of the pentagon releasing UAP footage, combined with Joe Rogan, and his 'special guests' Bob Lazar and David Fravor, but yeah nah, they're full of it, telling tall stories for attention and possibly money. The UAP footage has been credibly debunked by Anton Petrov and others, and the 'tic-tac' could easily have been mocked up CGI in this Deep Fake era of technology. Where's the proof it was a genuine Air Force camera, to start with?

[@andrasbiro3007]

@@michaelchildish Lex Fridman did a deep interview with one of the pilots. So it's real, in the sense that it's not fake. But it's still not aliens. Most likely. Here's a plausible explanation. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZrOZp59iN-df8U

[@alaskansummertime]

I did a huge tile job on the Big Island of Hawaii. It was a hot and miserable job and I kept hallucinating during it. I'd look up and see a woman in a blue dress standing at the entry way to the patio. One day the owner takes me to a corner of the yard and shows me an active volcanic vent which was so hot it burned my hand. LOL everyone in this neighborhood was fucking crazy. A major symptom of carbon monoxide poisoning is hallucinations followed by insanity.

[@SpeedOfThought1111]

the incidents went beyond just seeing things though...there were cattle that seemingly teleported into a small building for instance on one occasion..or the time when the owner's dogs went running out into the woods to chase an orb and were turned into meat paste.

[@alaskansummertime]

@@SpeedOfThought1111 LOL Haven't you ever met anyone who tells wild stories?

[@boeingseven6939]

Joe i've been watching you for a few years now, and all your videos have the classic English class essay format, especially with your intro. I like it! It still works. Oh, and as far as reality shows that fund their own research... The Curse of Oak Island? I got sucked in 6 years ago and never missed an episode. Keep it up Joe

[@patwest1815]

The question is, do you wish you hadn't got sucked into that never ending scam?

[@boeingseven6939]

@@patwest1815 not really with that one, it's not paranormal stuff. History bits to feed on.

[@damyr]

@@boeingseven6939 I'm interested, did they ever found anything odd there?

[@Jared.Elliott]

@@damyr I live about 10mins away from oak island, they definitely have recovered more artifacts in the past decade than they have in a long long time, but I wouldn't say they're any closer to finding anything incredibly serious. Most people that live around here are divided by either fully believing that treasure is there or like me don't think there's anything. I watch the show and there's definitely history there that isn't written in books but I doubt that history is treasure, haha!

[@thejagman22]

The Farce of Joke Island…

[@majorskepticism7836]

In 1978, before I, or anyone I knew ever heard of a duende, my brothers, sister, some of their friends described something like a duende in my mom’s basement. Some saw it, the ones with their backs facing it said they smelled a horrible stench. It ran from one room past the bottom of the stairs and into the laundry room. My brother and sister immediately gave chase, turned on the lights, found nothing but the stink. That basement is alleged to have produced loud, strange noises over a 40 year period. Guests have said they heard weird sounds coming from the basement. I’ve never experienced anything unusual there myself. Maybe I’ve got some kind of anti-paranormal shield or something. There’s been a Cuban family living there for 5 or 6 years. Cubans are familiar with the duende legends. I’m thinking maybe I should drop by - I found the original blueprints to the house I could use as an excuse - and casually ask if they’ve ever seen or heard anything odd. If not, more water on the duende legend.

[@amnes1aa814]

Uptade us, the world is a strange place

[@jordanwhite8567]

Leaving a comment here for the update

[@majorskepticism7836]

@@jordanwhite8567 A friend of mine owns Waverly Hills. For all the work that’s been put into it the last 20 years, if it weren’t for people believing in ghosts, I don’t think it would have the value it currently has. Both my wife and my sister worked there in the 70’s and 80’s when it was an old folks home - they never heard anyone speak of ghosts, much less saw anything paranormal. Spending 40 or more hours a week in there, for 20-odd years (combined) and never seeing a thing. Now almost anybody that pays the fee for an overnight stay, or just a tour comes home with PROOF that ghosts are real. Most of this alleged proof comes from owners of digital cameras thot don’t know what the “Night Mode” is for. Skinwalker is a goldmine for the same reason. There was a “paranormal photographer” that claimed to have photographed a ghost at Waverly - a picture of a naked young woman that you could see through, presented as proof that ghosts are real. He was a professional photographer with a web page showing some of his paid models - odd that one of his models looked a lot like the naked ghost girl. The owner of Waverly was not in cahoots with this presenter of *proof* that ghosts are real, no, the photographer was in some kind of paranormal club from Missouri (I think). A double exposure on a piece of film isn’t proof of anything except that you’ve got a genuine double exposure, but the True Believers were more than willing to accept it. If ANYONE ever comes up with proof that ghosts are real, he will also have proven that there is Life After Death, and his name will be on the lips of every human being on the planet forever. And let’s not forget the fortune that will be his beginning with his Nobel Prize. Same for PROOF that we are being visited by aliens from Space. Or that leprechauns and duendes are real. By the way, many years ago I noticed Sasquatch footprints in the snow in my backyard. Took pictures of them too. I think the CIA stole them.

[@lalaraeray777]

@@majorskepticism7836 I've personally had a UFO experience. Happened almost 3 months ago now. Was outside and my friend pointed up freaking out saying "what the f*ck is that?" It was a giant t shaped low flying soundless object hovering above us. Then I pointed to the other direction where a giant beam of light appeared in the sky and literally I bet it was over 100 "lights" streamed in through this beam and shot out in multiple directions across the sky. Some splitting off into two pieces. It was crazy and we were so scared we were both in tears. We thought the world was about to get invaded or we were getting abducted. Most horrifying experience of my life actually... there were so many of these "lights " ..that had no tails mind you.....that for a moment my brain could not process what I'd seen. I was confused by my the experience because I thought all the stars in the sky were moving... I'd just never seen that many things flying that fast all over the sky at once. The next day I searched the news.. over 100 ufo spotted over ukraine. Ufos are 100 percent real and I'll never question another person's experience after that. It's changed my whole way of looking at the world.

[@majorskepticism7836]

@@lalaraeray777 many years ago I put a ten gallon air tank in the freezer overnight. Next day was hot and sunny. I took some large black leaf bags, sealed the open ends except for a small hole for inflating. Taped them together in a hex shape, then partially inflated them and sealed the holes. The sunlight heated the bags…. They rose rather quickly. I kept them tethered to a fish line until I saw cars stopping along the road, and reeled it in fast enough that nobody saw where my UFO landed. It was on the local news. I’m not a “believer,” but one night my brother and I were watching a satellite traveling north, almost directly overhead. Then, without decelerating, it stopped, didn’t move for about 10-15 seconds, then it split into two parts, each as bright as before, and the two parts took off east and west, very quickly, with no apparent acceleration. I do not drink, use drugs, and I am a well-educated man. My brother has a Master’s in computer science. We both saw the same thing. I don’t know what it was, but there is no way, that in these days of EVERYBODY carrying a small movie camera in their phones, we wouldn’t have tons of evidence of extraterrestrials if we were being visited by them. My stunt with the plastic bags probably contributed to the belief in aliens coming to Earth - I wish I had not done it.

[@daxdadog]

I've got to say that I've been enjoying the hell out of this show, but it does require the suspension of my natural skepticism. They did however trip a breaker in my brain, when they set up an electrical circuit between two location, and were amazed that that ground rods driven in at both locations were able to be used as part of the current path. Like it hasn't been working that way since the beginning of the the electrical age! Brandon marveled when being informed of this, that the earth there was acting as a battery! No, no, no no....

[@marckyle5895]

That's how Nikoli Tesla thought we were all gonna have free electrical power...

[@baconsarny-geddon8298]

I've had a morbid interest in the UFO scene, and followed the Skinwalker Ranch story, since the 80s, and I wouldn't say that the Ranch itself is "a grift"; The REALITY SHOW is grift, 100%- Like all that broad "ghost-hunter"/"Finding Bigfoot"/"UFO spotting" genre, they MUST produce """mysterious phenonemena""" every episode, or else they have no show. Any 10yo knows that NOT finding some unconvincing spookery, isn't an option, on those shows. But the story of the ranch itself makes perfect sense WITHOUT deliberate grifting- Dry, desert areas like that are ideal evironment for ball lightning, which fit the description of much of the early phenomena, which established the ranch's reputation. So the Shermans see real ball lightning events, but don't recognize them as ball lightning (since BL was only officially accepted by science, less than a decade ago. And is STILL "unexplained", despite being confirmed real)- To the Shermans, they genuinely believe they saw "some mysterious UFO activity", so now they're on the look-out for spooky "paranormal", "unexplained phenomena"... and so they see what they expect to see; Animal deaths that are inevitable on a ranch, become "cattle mutilations". Any noise you can't explain becomes "ghost activity", etc- In short, the Shermans sincerely spooked themselves. That's why they sold the place at a loss, have always avoided publicity, and have never really tried to capitalize on the "paranormal" meme. But by now, word's getting around about the Shermans' claims, and super-rich, long-time UFO-nut Bigelow turns up, setting up a well-funded but very secretive investigation team, to investigate the ranch, back in the 90s. THAT was like ringing the dinner-bell, for the conspiracy-theorist rumour-mill; A reclusive millionaire, known to be seriously studying the ranch (using supposedly reputable scientists), but without publishing the results of these studies, leaving the UFO scene to do what they do best- ie, Fill in the blanks with the most wild, exotic, wish-fullfilment speculation, possible. (But Bigelow's notorious secretive/reclusive tendencies are the exact opposite of what someone motivated by grifting, would do. AFAIK, The only time he made $$$ of the ranch, was when he sold it. But he could have made 100x MORE $$$, by selling books, tv rights, opening up to tourism, etc, and THEN selling, at an even more inflated price. Instead, he remained mostly silent, and conspicuously avoided hype and the spotlight) So by the time Bigelow was selling the ranch in the 00s (the height of the X-Files-fueled fad for UFOs and "the paranomal"), "Skinwalker Ranch" was getting extremely well-known, and that interest would intevitably drive up the price of the ranch- That's not a delibetrate "grift"; It's the inevitable result of public interest- Multiple people wanted in on the excitement of living on a "haunted ranch", plus the financial opportunities that come with that fame- Tourism (like the tourism that's surrounded Area 51, or Pt Pleasant's "Mothman" tourism, etc). Or the reality tv show. And basic economics means that, when you have multiple interested parties, price goes up. But the ranch itself isn't "a grift", any more than any other site that becomes well-known, and the focus of public interest. The people who've bought it NOW may be motivated by grifting (again, like any famous site will attract people trying to capitalize off that fame). But the people who built Skinwalker's rep, the Shermans, and Bigelow, were utterly inept, if they WERE trying to grift- They both blew just about every chance for cashing in on the Ranch, that they got...

[@MrMalicious5]

The Shermans selling at a huge loss and never talking about it ever again tells me something’s not right with the place. The whole reason why people lie about UFO sightings and paranormal activities is for attention and/or money and they wanted nothing to do with either.

[@rdizzy1]

@@MrMalicious5 The answer could very well be just a normal answer, like they knew the ground leaked high levels of radon or something, and it would kill cattle.

[@MrMalicious5]

@@rdizzy1 It very well could be but Joe basing his entire opinion that the place is a hoax from someone who never even lived there is laughable especially when locals disagree that strange things do happen in that area. Whatever Bigelow found is "classified" now. Could be just some government craft they weren't supposed to see, radiation from testing the government wants to cover up or anything. Who knows?

[@simon3240]

I've got some theories to explain some of the weird stuff: 1. the ice circle could be formed when hydrocarbons with the good proprieties are being released from the ground into the water, get trapped by ice, form a nice circle because its hydrophobic and then evaporate when the sun rises, leaving a nice circle of water in the ice. 2. The electromagnetic abnormalities could be due to the sudden release of radioactive material carried by hydrocarbons gas or just radon gas. We know from space science that ionising radiations can produce funny results in electronics and an antenna to measure electromagnetic abnormalities could be pretty sensitive to that. 3. The Cattle died because of a mix of ionising radiations and hydrocarbons exposure. All of those are just hypothesis. Joe super video! Sry for bad English

[@Baelor-Breakspear]

Your English is better than most Americans I know. Good work outta you pal.

[@rafqueraf]

Yeah. If you even found the scientific answer through physics and chemistry, you still can't rule out alien technology. It's like finding out the organic systems we call life, share the same DNA, therefore proving evolution. Then we conclude : we figured out we didn't get made by ghost aliens/ Gods. Because it would not make tiny stuff. Ended up funny.

[@breccamerie1]

Better than anything I've heard off the Skinwalker ranch show. Thanks for the share.

[@mickelodiansurname9578]

"I've got some theories to explain some of the weird stuff: " Nope... you have ideas about what might have happened there... and no actual explanations. Get back to us when you can demonstrate them... then it becomes a theory. Americans misusing words, and worse making a word the opposite of its actual meaning is a pet peeve of mine.

[@MrDJAK777]

What made you assume they're American. And also pretty sure every "version" of English allows for multiple definitions, go check a non American English dictionary and you'll still find one of the definitions of theory is about unverified speculation.

[@Kindlesmith70]

ARGs? Alternate Reality Games? They piss me off when people will take them as real life as opposed to a piece of entertainment. The frustration is towards those who push these fake shows and games as if they were fact making fact finding harder. This has to be the first time I have heard the Skinwalker Ranch was just an ARG. That puts all mystery to rest. You've provided more information than any of these documentaries I had found on the subject matter, information that was by my opinion conveniently left out. Thanks. I hate mysteries pretending to be real. I prefer to know its fake, and enjoy it for just being entertaining.

[@Kindlesmith70]

@Duncan MacLeod So real science hasn't been able to prove their existence. I'm kool with not mixing fantasy with reality. The real world has enough amazing content. The mind can be quite an unhinged machine.

[@bobbymcjoey9432]

@Duncan MacLeod nothing is more credible than Keanu Reeves

[@reginacarmenbanda9131]

@@Kindlesmith70it doesn’t mean things don’t exist.

[@Kindlesmith70]

@@reginacarmenbanda9131 Not the point. Most cases they are complete bs.

[@GoofierClock]

​@Kindlesmith70 How do you know their own eyewitnesses are bs?

[@nancydietrichlux6679]

I love your analysis, however, I'm almost embarrassed to admit that I'm one of the suckers that absolutely loves the Mystery of Skinwalker Ranch on the Ancient Aliens Channel. 😊

[@CoolBreezyo]

lol @Ancient Aliens Channel :D

[@OHB666]

LOL

[@guineapig0983]

That’s okay! You’re allowed to enjoy it :)

[@funningames2243]

This video is the newest type of grift. The nay sayers grift. Whacka whacka whacka!

[@fullsend_ny7948]

stop watching that channel you are part of the problem ... the more you people watch this fake bullshit the more they will keep making shows like this smh

[@paulknight5018]

Very sceptical about these kinds of things, but Utah is a strange place, beautiful in a stark way.

[@DenkyManner]

strange enough to have phenomena that *definitely* don't exist?

At least Utah isn't Wyoming. kzbin.info/www/bejne/paupcqB7hZhjfrc

[@baneverything5580]

Our entire community went through very terrifying things very similar to Skinwalker Ranch. Something killed my cousin`s animals....a dozen large deer hounds ripped to pieces in their pens, pony found dead 30 feet up in an oak tree, all his chickens dead. There were multiple UFOs seen in the area along with beings that tried to get into houses during the sightings. One hovered over the truck my brother and I were in and we had nearly four hours of missing time. Multiple witnesses, including myself, saw a large red glowing head putting off heat in our house. Giant birds were seen, and my cousin saw a large black flying creature right before he found his dogs dead, and my aunt saw it ripping branches from a large tree. I saw the damage it did to the tree and the limbs it snapped from the tree were several inches in diameter. Multiple members of my family lived on 30 acres there and we all moved. The family who bought our house abandoned it within weeks after all the doors flew off their hinges.

[@jbirdmax]

Yep. There’s this race of bipeds that randomly ring your doorbell asking for your money and trying to indoctrinate you into their archaic belief system. It’s so strange. Can’t remember what they’re called, sounds something like “morons”. 😜

[@ingloriousbetch4302]

@@jbirdmax right? Like incredibly advanced brings who've figured out how to travel millions of light-years makes it here and all they want to do is mutilate animals, probe butts and make pretty pictures in fields and ice? Sounds legit. 🙄

[@st.anselmsfire3547]

Skinwalker Ranch: Home to Luke Skinwalker, the lesser known cousin.

[@ApacheMagic]

Lol

[@gusmonster59]

I know his other cousin - Luke Basewalker. He couldn't learn the force, so ObiWan taught him how to walk the bases. (this was an entire story made up by a co-worker decades ago -it was hilarious.)

[@SmilingIbis]

I went to Skinwalker Ranch and saw Bigfoot take down a UFO with a potato gun!

[@teemusid]

I went to Skywalker Ranch twice as part of a former delivery job. I've also walked through a prison yard during exercise time. You could say it was a job of extremes.

[@my1lastword]

Out of boredom I watched most of the show to laugh at some of the wild theories they'd throw out. One of my favorites is the high powered patterned radio signals they would get around 1-5k feet in the air. Was looking at some maps of the area and there's a HUGE high power VOR DME station just south of the ranch. But... Yeah I if you put a weather balloon up and see radio traffic think aliens not the very normal documented radio beacon to your south 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@GrgMRnlds86]

FWIW, I live in northern Utah and have friends who live in the Uintah Valley. They said they didn’t believe that stuff when they moved there but they do now because of the things they’ve seen and experienced there.

[@Mortthemoose]

Like what?

[@memurphy1223]

I find Skinwalker Ranch hilarious with the manufactured drama and suspense. The funniest thing was the first season they were all about safety and no digging. They would fly Fugal in to discuss plans and they were all “Can’t dig! Not safe! Safety, safety safety! No digging! Safety! And the second season they decided “we’re gonna strap this guy to a tether and have him hang out the side of helicopter at 5,000 feet while we shoot rockets in the area! And the whole gang - “yeah let’s do that”! Because, you know, safety.

[@spackle9999]

I saw another reality show called "Paranormal State" that went out to Skinwalker Ranch. They took some footage of lights in the sky...that got redacted. Like legitimately redacted, probably by thegovernment. Which just makes me think they're near a military base that's testing next gen aerospace tech. That's all.

[@Mangaka-ml6xo]

If there's magnetic disturbances in that area for whatever reason, then it would be a great place to test equipment and vehicles to make sure they are impervious to that kind of potential attack eventually, or just make sure they wont go down from some weird natural phenomenon we haven't properly figured yet.

[@harrietlyall1991]

It’s the word “Skinwalker” that’s so unsettling, it makes you think of some animal or human, flayed, then someone or something walking around wearing the flayed skin, a gruesome, horrible and unnatural thought. Other than this word and its connotations, however, and the local tribes’ belief in the concept itself, there doesn’t seem substance to the strange stories. Strangeness can be found most places, it’s got more to do with people’s dark imaginings than with points on the map.

[@fatalshore5068]

You know that your definition of skinwalker is any human with a fur coat/leather jacket ect ect lol. That is EXACTLY what humans do.

[@RisingRevengeance]

@@fatalshore5068 People that still wear fur coats are argueably nastier than skinwalkers

[@johnathanmandrake7240]

Is native american mythology. And they still believe it.

[@johnathanmandrake7240]

@@fatalshore5068 vegan.

[@fatalshore5068]

@@johnathanmandrake7240 lol, are you a child? Throwing the word vegan around like an insult. I am not vegan, I own a leather jacket and I have utmost respect for vegans moral choice not to eat animals.

[@abrecordsdjschool]

Travis Taylor's credentials are what convinced me that the show was forking out a lot of money to get legit scientists looking at this. Taylor has a doctorate in optical science and engineering, a master's degree in physics, a master's degree in aerospace engineering, a master's degree in astronomy, and a bachelor's degree in electrical engineering. He has worked on various programs for the United States Department of Defense and NASA for over sixteen years. He still works on on several advanced propulsion concepts, very large space telescopes, space-based beamed energy systems and high-energy lasers. He would be putting a lot at risk to be on a fake show. Only science can say what is going on for sure.

[@briancathey498]

i agree , what are the video hosts creds. oh he doesnt have any.

[@pickneyjoshua9295]

It’s wild that he has a degree in optical engineering, but in just the second episode he doesn’t even recognize lens ghosting, and instead is like “tHe CliFf Is ReFlEcTiNg ThE lAzEr!” Like, every dang camera reviewer on this site talks about ghosting. It’s not uncommon. Someone can be super educated, and do legit complex work at their day job, and still play into fiction for an entertainment show.

[@timbraun2010]

@@pickneyjoshua9295 I recognized that aswell and i thought it was interesting that someone who was supposed to have an understanding for things as simple as light reactions didnt see the same thing.

[@RickJW-OSM]

@@pickneyjoshua9295 Yeah to get back to the start of this thread, the older I get the less surprised I am by legitimate experts selling out their integrity. And why shouldn't they? All those degrees that Dr. Taylor has, working for NASA; when you break it down he probably didn't make nearly as much money as he could as the 'consultant' for a 'reality' show.

[@altruismfirst6489]

NASA is science fiction btw a step of from Disney just watch one David Weiss documentary or even better prove his 2btc challenge

[@pjchurch1641]

I REALLY wanted to see a good debunking. And there's a lot of innuendo here about dollar motivations. But this clip explores very little of the actual substance that interests us skeptics. The repeated video footage of UAFs in the show? How do you dismiss that? What are they filming? The helicopter and the altitude anomalies and the footage of being skimmed by something. . . how do you dismiss that? The 1.6ghz phenomena that's been measured around the experiments there, what's that? You can't just say "gas leaking out of the ground" like in this video, because that has nothing to do with radio and electromagenetic frequencies that broadcast across the entire spectrum, and that when rebroadcast distort the radio signal. What about the testimony of multiple military personal who have reported the "hitchhiker phenomena" along with extremely highly correlated health issues? Joe has clearly also read "Skinwalkers at the Pentagon" but completely skips most of the substance of the years of recently declassified government research. Are they ALL lying? The "Tic Tac" video and released evidence around that? These aren't just trailer park meth heads. . . this is an abundance of collected data from multi teams of researchers across the last 20+ years. How is THAT a grift? And what about the duplication of research? These aren't one-off's or unrecorded witness testimony. These are things that happen over and over, with repeated teams, over a period of years, and that we've seen duplicated and recorded. Money? All I see is that this has COST money to research. The biggest money incentive is this highly monetized KZbinr who doesn't actually explore much of what has actually been documented, and throws at big vague "grift" allegations that don't add up. Classic projection. THIS video is the grift. I LOVE skepticism because it helps us think critically. But this video was a fail. No one in the current team is claiming anything. They are all approaching this skeptically. There's no assertion the recorded phenomena are aliens, or demons, or fairies. But there are clearly phenomena occurring that aren't understood. And this video completely fails to address any of the evidence of unexplained phenomena.

[@louislesch3878]

There's a KZbin video of an ice circle in action. It's just a stable slow moving eddy near the side of a slow river.

[@radonato]

There's more manufactured drama on this show than you can find at your average Prom. I read it for the articles.....'natch.

[@Durrutitv]

Bigelow literally got multiple millions in a tax payer funded sweetheart deal to study a property he bought for 200k...regardless of whether or not he's into the paranormal, scam is definitely the appropriate word.

[@MakerInMotion]

The money didn't go into his pockets, it went to the study. Negative results in research doesn't make it a scam. A fortune in taxpayer money has been spent researching fusion power. With nothing to show for it. Its a failure not a scam. The F-35 program went billions over budget and they ended up with a jet that can't hold its own against a 30 year old Russian Mig. The program was an absolute waste but the intention was a good one. To make a better jet. They just failed. I wish every dollar spent on research yielded useful results but that's a foolish fantasy.

[@450aday]

That's not actually a scam. Though it's true this method of funding something is sometimes used to launder money away.

[@Durrutitv]

@@MakerInMotion the fuck are you talking about? We've accomplished fusion, both deuterium/tritium and hydrogen, and scientists are currently working on improving technology to achieve net positive output, there are multiple projects that are currently working toward that end. The thing is, even if we hadn't fused hydrogen, even if all of the money spent on it had been completely squandered, it's still a scientifically valid endeavor, as opposed ghostbusting. And that's not to mention the very obvious conflict of interest in giving grants to your friend, and frequent donor, to run any kind of experiments on their privately owned property with little scrutiny and less transparency. Obviously some of that money went into his pocket as a sizable portion of any research budget is to pay wages, and CEOs are on the payroll, not to mention he has complete control over setting any fees or leases for his corporations use of his private property...but who knows, there's no receipts. Suffice to say there's tremendous headroom for all kinds of shenanigans.

[@MoCsomeone]

@@Durrutitv the US government does has a long history of doing ridiculously madman projects. I'm sad to say im not surprised they funded yet another grifter. At least people didn't get killed for this one.

[@killerjob12]

Well something has to pay for his space pods , why not the tax payers who will never notice sadly

[@BenHeckHacks]

I watched the 1st season. The "science" is laughable. Even if paranormal things are happening there they aren't being served well by this slapdash rubbish.

[@alden1132]

Just use Occam's Razor! Just find the simplest answer, which makes the fewest assumptions. In this scenario, the obvious answer is this: the explanation for the supernatural shenanigans is a dimension-hopping, time-displaced Navajo shaman wreaking havoc for the heck of it! It's just common sense, people!

[@xybersurfer]

i prefer Hitchens's Razor in these situations: "What can be asserted without evidence, can also be dismissed without evidence"

[@jackielinde7568]

"They didn't get there until the Shermans got there." Now there's a ringing endorsement.

[@a2pabmb2]

From a guy who didn't actually live there. The accounts I heard said that when the Shermans moved in they found an excessive number of locks on both sides of every door and window in the place which would seem to point in a different direction.

[@mahadaalvi]

@@a2pabmb2 lol exactly. If you know anyone from the area, you’d know that this thing was happening long before the Sherman’s.

[@officialspock]

@@a2pabmb2 exactly, and dumb Joe is basing it all from the brother, its a hearsay, Joe so dumb

[@mahadaalvi]

@@officialspock Joe is literally acting in an unscientific manner approaching this situation with an admittedly preconceived bias.

[@officialspock]

@@mahadaalvi just like what he did with the UAP episode, he just echoed all the debunking videos on youtube and didnt consider the pilots and the other ships detected it, and I thought this guy has a scientific approach, he's just a skeptic of everything just for the sake of being skeptic, "oh look Im a skeptic, how cool am I" syndrome lol

[@bilindalaw-morley161]

"What's with aliens n butts?" I once was evicted from a talk by a "ufologist" because I (politely and out of a genuine interest) asked that same question.

[@Mortthemoose]

😂😂

[@garethbaus5471]

Fossil fuels could possibly be hard on the livestock which might explain why an otherwise good rancher was seeing unusual losses. Also that ice circle is a natural phenomenon that can form when a specific type of circulating current is maintained while the surface freezes and it can be replicated in a lab.

[@Itstheoaks]

A perfect circle though? And what about the mutilations? Other than that I agree

[@garethbaus5471]

@@Itstheoaks Yes perfect circles naturally form like that under the right conditions. Livestock being mutilated is also a fairly common occurrence it is often(although not always) the result of a predator.

[@Itstheoaks]

@@garethbaus5471 I see what you're saying but allegedly all of the mutilated carcasses leave no blood staines on the surrounding area despite some being heavily mutilated..also there doesn't ever seem to be bite marks in the unexplained ones these 2 things don't make sense to me as a predator would leave bite marks and more of a mess along with blood spills on the surrounding grass.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@Itstheoaks it sounds more like a lack of context than anything supernatural, I know of a few natural ways an animal can end up looking mutilated that match that description but don't have enough context to be able to determine which explanation is most plausible.

[@garethbaus5471]

@Authentic Doing that in less than 15 minutes seems unlikely regardless of the cause, unless it was actually documented in a reliable way i am highly skeptical of the accuracy of that particular description. There doesn't appear to be enough information to form a conclusion on that specific incident, but it would be easier to rule out known phenomena if you linked me to a more direct source. I simply don't assume the unknown until we rule out the known explanations, it isn't reasonable to assume aliens or magic if something already known to happen can adequately explain the available evidence under those conditions I wouldn't consider that.a desperate fear of the unknown so much as simply not gullibly accepting some wild explanation without adaquate evidence.

[@almightytallestred]

You can always count on the History Channel to deliver quality content 🤣

[@lcdvasrm]

Ok, now you are ready for making a video about the "Scole experiment" mentioned in the Jeffrey Mishlove's essay "Beyond the Brain" that won the $1 Million Robert Bigelow's prize "is there life after death".

[@BreedersSyndicate]

Fugal is a pretty down dude. Super easy to talk to and converse with. As a skeptic I’ve asked him tons of hard questions - and he’s been open to answer them privately and very very candid in doing so. If it was a grift, his intent would be different. Interacting with random skeptics for hours isn’t exactly productive for a businessmen but I do believe it’s his passion.

[@a_diamond]

Fair, if they believe their own nonsense then "grift" may be the wrong term, but they certainly don't seem to mind cashing in while hyping it up.. which *is* grifter-y..

[@TheGreatDanish]

@@a_diamond a grift is a grift. there isn't a spectrum.

[@ConnorHammond]

@@TheGreatDanish Then they're not a grifter.

[@mikoto7693]

Fugal sounds like someone that I might enjoy conversing with. In regards to the aliens visiting Earth, I suppose I’m reminded of that old poster on the wall of Mulder’s office in the X-Files show. “I want to believe.” Except that I don’t believe it at all and that I’m a skeptic about alien UFOs visiting Earth and supernatural beings or phenomena. And yet I find myself enjoying learning and chatting about it. And that I’m not quite a full skeptic because I believe that alien life exists, scattered across the Milky Way and beyond. But I can’t know what kinds of alien life is out there and it could range from simple single cellular alien life to ful interstellar sentients.

[@TheGreatDanish]

@@ConnorHammond a grift is a grift. No matter how nice or stupid the grifter is.

[@roccov3614]

Ah, yes I remember that annoying and frustrating moment when I was first introduced to the stupid idea of skinwalkers. It was by a youtuber I respect and admire. His name, Joe Scott. It seemed like an age ago but was actually 20 minutes ago. Before that I had never heard of them and now I can never unlearn what I've learnt.

[@ronjones-6977]

I'm only a couple minutes in. Is this more "people are fucking stupid" stuff? I've had my quota for the day.

[@Wistful77]

Are you okay? It's been two days since you heard were " first introduced to the stupid idea of skinwalkers". Are you learning to cope, yet?

[@roccov3614]

@@Wistful77 As long as no one else ever brings it up and reminds me. Thanks. 😜

[@VintageWarfare]

say this to a native, see what happens

[@Wistful77]

@@VintageWarfare What will happen?

[@brandonfugal6413]

This is Brandon Fugal, owner of Skinwalker Ranch. While I enjoyed the video from Joe (great commentary, for the most part!), I wish to clear up a few misconceptions or errors: - When I purchased the property in April 2016 through my Adamantium entity, my focus was on establishing a scientific investigation & historical research project. I had no intention of ever revealing my identity as owner (everyone had to sign confidentiality agreements) or monetizing the property. I was also an open minded skeptic, having never claimed to have seen a UFO or anything of the sort in my life. - Filing trademark documentation was more of a protective measure against those who may exploit the property or undermine the primary focus. Protecting the integrity of our efforts & activity on the ranch is paramount. - I had no desire to be on a television program, and none of my core team had ever been on television. I was frankly terrified of having my identity revealed. It was only after over a year of persistence from producers working with HISTORY that I reluctantly agreed to meet. I was persuaded to participate and ultimately reveal my identity, in exchange for an agreement that everything presented would be 100% true with nothing contrived or fabricated, and my existing team would be the only ones featured (no Hollywood casting call). I did consent to allow Dr. Taylor to join the team as part of the investigative series, based on both his credentials and expressed skepticism (which I invited). - I have yet to take one penny personally in compensation regarding the docuseries, which has filmed on the property for approximately 9 of the 68 months that I have owned it.

[@jbailey5061]

Refreshing to see. Most content creators I've seen are happy to go along with the nonsense for free content.

[@zachjones8085]

I pretty much personally agree with the end thesis of "eh is what it is, could easily be in hopes of finding something and in good spirits". this was a great break down of the situation. would love to see an analysis of another "history" channel show called "curse of Oak Island" =. I have enjoyed it for a while and a lot of the stuff on there is obviously drama and not realistic but I have found it really interesting and intriguing over the years and would love to see what you think of it: in my biased min d its a more legitimate history mystery version of skinwalker ranch.

[@MJW238]

The Oak Island money pit (if that’s what you’re referring to) is also not real. Although it makes reference to a possible buried treasure, which given its lack of supernatural claims, is obviously less fantastic than what’s given here.

[@markdemanuellemd]

So many people have dug there, the soil is unstable.People have died when holes collapse.The government doesn't want more digging.

[@linkedinlove106]

Hey Zach - my thoughts exactly! It was fun at first but you can watch only so many iron sticks come out of the ground before you begin questioning what the attraction is. I gave up. If they find anything truly valuable - umm, like the actual treasure? - I'm sure it will make the news.

[@cobbler88]

I gave up on Oak Island more than a decade ago. It's just a contrived con job like a few other alleged archaeological excavations, with the usual tropes (experts not quite being able to explain things, equipment breaking/powering down/being used incorrectly even though it should also require experts for use, nonsensical limits on the time or level of intrusion given for the media project). I watched a doc or series on it long before History Channel got hold of it and it started me on the way to forming my vetting process for these things. 1) Did they find what they were looking for? Obviously no, or we would have heard about it on a legitimate news source. I kind of know what I'm in for when I watch something on the search for the Ark of the Covenant. 2) Should experts be having so much trouble? Again, it's almost always no. The equipment should be handled by people who know how to handle it and what good is an expert if he is so constantly befuddled in his area of expertise? Yet, there are always equipment problems - with real experts at home recognizing the use of the wrong equipment - and these academics just can't seem to explain anything. And most of these sites aren't anything that would rewrite how we view the settling or conquest of an area. If an academic is an expert on Norse conquest in Greenland - and they're excavating a Scandinavian settlement in Greenland - he should be able to make very good assumptions about just about everything. 3) Is it REALLY impossible to tell? Sadly, this is kind of a clincher. That Oak Island doc/series I watched ran into one easily fixable situation after another. But they would either claim they had no idea how to fix it, or lean on the oddly short and limited excavation they were allowed. "Sure, we COULD do that thing that would take only 2 hours, get to the bottom and answer all questions, but that piece of equipment won't arrive until tomorrow, and we're only allowed to work until about an hour before it would be able to arrive." always followed by, "I guess we'll have to pick up where we left off NEXT spring." And do ya think they ever show up next spring with that piece of equipment? 🤣 I'm rambling. Take care.

[@linkedinlove106]

@@cobbler88 i agree, A.J.! You said it well. I've given up too. Don't care if they find yet another nail...get to the good stuff!

[@petergunn2249]

One of my favorite KZbin channels, but Joe is incorrectly reporting that the DOI investigation of Skinwalker Ranch was under the guise of AATIP. In fact, the Senate Appropriations Defense Subcommittee allocated $22M to the AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program) program element at the DWO (Defense Warning Office) within the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) to study the ranch, and BAASS was the private aerospace company to undertake the work. It is unclear in this video how a program funded by congress -- that of which was kept secret for decades -- would be a grift. And it's not like the program didn't find anything strange: Dr. James Lacatski, along with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have recounted the strange encounters/sightings/phenomena experienced at the ranch. To speak to the credibility of Dr. Lacatski, he was an intelligence officer for the DIA's Defense Warning Office; a team leader for writing the annual Missile Defense Threat Environment series at the Missile Defense Agency; he's been with the DIA since 1998 and became program manager in 2008, as well as Contracting Officer Representative, security coordinator, and the counter-intelligence coordinator of the $22M DIA contract. And how is a billionaire like Bigelow successfully winning the official solicitation/RFP on Feb Biz Ops for BAASS to study Skinwalker Ranch a grift?

[@MeatMachine69]

Supra underrated comment, well done. If people actually watched the show, they would realize that many things reported in the show have absolutely no explanation. Thanks for the comment

[@mahadaalvi]

Thank you! Lol people calling something crazy or a scam without actually doing their own due diligent research into the massively suspicious anomalies. Also the fact that the government doesn’t pay scientists for many years to allocate millions of taxpayer dollars towards a scam. Joe is skeptic by nature but at what point does your biased skepticism stop you from accepting that things might not be as simple as they seem?

[@Fizzypopization]

You do realize republicans are crazy?

[@mahadaalvi]

@@Fizzypopization You do realize that has nothing to do with literally anything we’re discussing at the moment? The senator who authorized AATIP was a democrat so whatever you’re trying to imply doesn’t at all matter in the current conversation we’re having.

[@petergunn2249]

@@Fizzypopization bipartisan funding.

[@pairaka984]

You know, you said the paranormal activities are only reported to have been happening since the Sherman’s bought the place in 1994, but my family is from Utah and my mom and I lived there in the late 70s. I distinctly remember my grandfather talking about cattle mutilations happening at some place nearby. Granted, I was only 12 or so at the time, and that was 40+ years ago, and it may have been at a completely different location, but I do remember hearing talk of strange things happening the. Just a thought.

[@chipkrug4191]

Your inclusion of the natural and cultural history of the site helped me better understand the story. Thanks. BONUS: 2 YT rabbit holes to explore. Thanks again.

[@fiction-]

I lived in a tiny desert town in New Mexico. A saw a weird thing or two, and it's what inspired me to be interested in the paranormal and aliens. But interest is in investigation, not outright belief. There is zero reason to find random stuff compelling when it means nothing in the end. The light in sky that I saw when I was 15 that moved weird? It could have been something the airforce was doing, since I was smack dab between a major AFB and their bombing range. Since there is zero evidence other than my teenage brains recollection, it's just not compelling. It was enough to get me interested, but in DEBUNKING. Cause the thought that there is something that someday can't be debunked? THATS what is compelling to me, and always will be. Haven't found that something yet, but I'll keep being interested until I do. So thanks for these videos, they feed that part of me, no matter what the true believers leave in comments :p

[@mamaboocee]

Well said. Me, too - as far as my interest in this place!

[@frysebox1]

I MUST DEBOOOONK

[@pandakicker1]

I know the feeling as someone who still lives and always has lived just south of the Sands. :p

[@fiction-]

@@pandakicker1 Zia for life :p I miss NM so much lol

[@MsThangsMom]

“What’s up with aliens and butts?” Thank you for that much needed laugh today, Joe!

[@dannydetonator]

I often ponder the same question about myself. Just being a bit more selective, than these savages..

[@michaelpettersson4919]

Maybe the fashion industry never really took off in their culture and that is why they are typically depicted naked... Speaking of, they typically don't seem to have women among them either so perhaps they are locked into an eternal batchelor culture explaining why they don't care about details like clothes. Don't wear them and you never need to do the laundry... 😉

[@audreymuzingo933]

I'm with you Joe, the entertainment of SWR is harmless, considering it's not exploiting anyone's tragedy or anything. Meanwhile PAULIDES ........

[@misternewoutlook5437]

A guy I used to work with loved going camping in the Utah desert. He brought back fascinating photos of pictograms of the Anasazi people. I think these were more interesting than someone talking about what they saw somewhere with zero proof. These etchings by ancient peoples tell stories of everyday life. There are many weird things amongst it all, but that's all you can conclude about it really. Just weird and wild imaginations. But that's not the thing. I think what grips you the most about the pictograms is the sheer number. It blows you away.

[@aaronkindoll8242]

Skinwalker came from the Native Peoples and you can go around to different tribes where stories are passed down and get different stories with common themes and happenings. I actually think they knew something that we did not

[@goldiloks08]

1. It’s genuinely going to take concerted effort on my part to not actually buy every single person on my list something from Displate for Christmas - being able to move and level them is so freaking cool. 2. I don’t much care for reality shows (except Bake Off), but I’d 1,000% watch a reality show made from the first colonizations of Mars.

[@BelchingBeaver69]

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