Johan’s Thoughts on Tomorrow’s Gravel Stage | Tour de France 2024 Stage 8 | JB2

Johan and JB break down todays sprint, reflect on the ridiculous UCI fine of Julian Bernard from yesterday, and Johan gives his opinion on the addition of a gravel stage to this year's tour.
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[@michaelflores7657]

The JB2 content is so brilliant! The show gets better each year! The Peacock commentators are light years behind you guys when it comes to useful analysis. I literally fast forward through their takes. Great job guys!!

[@J-cz7yv]

Peacock is rough

[@PazLeBon]

useful info on both if receptive to it

[@michaelflores7657]

@@PazLeBon 100% agree! I was to harsh in my comment. I feel grateful that we have both JB2 and the guys on Peacock.

[@WNRoss]

Excellent analysis. I consider Johan and Chris Horner (chesterfield/knucklehead😉) the two best cycling commentators - with maybe Bruyneel having the edge, because of his sources, and his 'inside baseball' analysis 👍

[@PazLeBon]

chris horners hands scare me tho

[@jonoharper4729]

Horner, if you can get past his biases towards frail framed climbers and grand tour cycling. Nothing in the broad range and wide world of cycling has any credibility in his eyes unless it contains both of those factors.

[@loveelroi4453]

Johan since the first day of bini .. everything you said and predicted came true , you have always see the positive and beautiful things about bini .. thank you for supporting our bini .. we make sure we are keeping the 💚💚💚at all cost .. 💃💃💃💃🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🤔😂💚💚💚

[@IvanMalechko]

If you look closer, Abrahamsen didn’t just gain 20 kg; he also grew a couple of inches. This wasn’t simply an intentional transformation from a lean climber by adding muscle. It was due to delayed puberty caused by dietary restrictions and intense training. He was essentially trapped in a middle schooler’s body and only developed his natural adult body shape by removing some restrictions and letting nature finish its job. You can't just start feeding a grown-up climber like Bardet, add 20 kg, and suddenly make him a Roubaix contender-it doesn’t work like that.

[@ravenclawparagliding]

Appreciate you guys so much! Great vibes always

[@MICHAEL_MAY_8]

JB2 has become must watch analysis. Lance better keep this show on the WEDU channel!

[@dickieblench5001]

If one of the favourites loses the tour because of this stage there will be trouble

[@loveelroi4453]

Wa do you mean ?

[@royoser9956]

Thanks, great show. I looked at some of tomorrow's gravel sections on Google Earth. Johan is right, it's crazy. Narrow gravel roads and sharp turns in and out. The TDF could turn on a flat or a crash.

[@TheGamer-ux2lr]

I only see a downside with gravel segments. The tour cannot be won by riding a gravel stage but it can certainly be lost due to the higher chance of mechanical's and crashes.

[@mracer8]

that's racing

[@adventuresona700dollarhard5]

I'm a fan of the gravel stage. Anything can happen. I think Wout has been biding his time!

[@user-if8nz2yo5n]

Thank you Johan! " Road " racing !

[@charlesmansplaining]

Also a comment about the stage with the gravel sectors, Road racing has a time cut. If you don't make it to the finish within the time your TDF is over. Gravel races and the logistics of getting bike changes and assistance could turn this upside down. What if the same rider has multiple issues? How are they going to work it out so no rider gets tossed out of the race? I see a lot of equipment failures possibly if weather conditions are bad. And we know there is going to be crashes. It is just unnecessary to put gravel sections in the TDF.

[@911dion]

In a post race interview, Powless or Bisseger, said the word came from their car to give up on the break. He didn’t seem that upset about it, but he was being careful in his comments about that decision - disappointed for sure.

[@josebernardoduran4897]

I always see you gaya, really good, technical and professional program I also watch La movids in spanish with VP

[@TheGamer-ux2lr]

I was also wondering what the heck EF was up to. Vaughters being in the car explains it all. When he was being interviewed the other day by NBC his opening statement was that he had no say in the team tactics which is BS. Before the stage Powless said he was looking forward to the stage since it was an excellent chance for him to get a win in a breakaway.

[@UhuruFrontier]

If it rains, then trouble. If not, it's like Paris-Roubaix.

[@farcydebop]

I was just waiting for Johan's daily rant on UCI, my ASMR routine moment.

[@curtvaughan2836]

Excellent commentary!

[@oneloveonelove1087]

Congratulations Bini 🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷we are so proud of you and thank you 🙏

[@EITiga]

MVdP, Mohoric, Pogi, and Van Gils are the favorites on this gravel stage in Troyes. Pidcock and Bernal are specialist on this gravel but he will help teammate CRC on this stage. Watch out maybe there are gonna be attacks in the GC.

[@juhapdx]

Johan, the derision directed at LR channel is petulant and unnecessary. A rising tide floats all boats so take the position that you can lift other voices.

[@sorenbergeson4976]

If he would (could) deride them by criticizing their actual arguments-- that would be interesting! Instead it's just "youtubers" "procyclingmanagers" etc etc. They talk a lot! They make a lot of points. Choose one or two and argue with them!! It would be fun to hear!

[@iminc5498]

I wish they had Johan on NBC

[@pcontiman]

Love this analysis

[@SamuelSilva-bb9pd]

i agree and disagree with johan on many things but i think his point is way off on the gravel stage. the tour de france is bike racing, not only road racing. for many years, mainly in mountains the roads were not even paved, “gravel like” if you will. also makes the tour more complete, needing the skills to survive/race a parkour like this makes a worthy test in a race that’s supposed to represent the biggest test in the sport

[@rttw9726]

Out of curiosity, it’s not the first time I hear Johan mentioning ‚youtube kids’ - anyone specific in mind or it’s just a saying?

[@SpurOne76]

Now I know why Visma selected Jan Tratnik for the TDF even though he is moving over to Bora. He needs to be riding behind Jonas the entire stage 9.

[@raskolnikov1242]

Fun fact: Adam Hansen himself used many times to joke with the public and drink beers with them... 🤔

[@adventuresona700dollarhard5]

The good old days! ❤️

[@Sills71]

The Tour needs a 50km TT

[@PazLeBon]

im sure 40km after 3 tough weeks is plenty enough and thats what we have

[@lazlo2511]

It needs a TTT!

[@PazLeBon]

@@lazlo2511 for def

[@mickelkobeck7376]

Jonas will NOT be able to hang with POGI if he goes on a gravel sector....

[@PazLeBon]

here come the spaewife

[@SpurOne76]

I’m with Johan, I don’t like the gravel. ROAD RACING!

[@J-cz7yv]

Gravel road

[@martinsolden1595]

Well we have gravel and cobbelstone classics, so thats not a valid point. I´m looking forward to a hectic day.. but its not something id love every year.

[@apolloniusbeitsman5444]

​@@J-cz7yvWhat's next? Dirt road?

[@J-cz7yv]

@@apolloniusbeitsman5444 well gravel road is pretty much dirt so yeah lol you called it!

[@conorgallagher6171]

Would Johan elaborate on his dislike for Vaughters?

[@cooldude.1811]

Arnaud de Lie's time will come. He certainly has the talent.

[@ThistleandInkwell]

Agree, fine for Bernard is silly, my 85 year old mom loved the human element of this when it happened 💛

[@bif3578]

Bruneel's snide little remarks about other YT commentators are a bad look, especially as actual WT teams are hiring (seeing value in) these guys. It is "punching down", and he should stop it.

[@dwaynecoy1871]

Hey Johan, 99.7% of the people that watch this podcast are fans watching it on TV. And if they are anything like me, they like things like the gravel sections added to the Tour. Since I'm not working on any team, I really don't care how much more challenging it is for any of them. In fact, I like it better if it's harder and more challenging for the teams. I makes it that much more interesting to watch. And let's face it, anything they can do to make the non-mountain stages more compelling is a better watch for me, the guy sitting at home watching on TV.

[@aleksandar2919]

Yess totaly agree . I hate flat stages, i never care who is gonna win flat stage. If there is no mountain its better this way

[@toddtyrrell]

UCI reminds me of SCOTUS

[@adamgoodman3422]

He who thinks Biniam doesn’t look like a sprinter need to get familiar with Noah Lyles.

[@guytamam5039]

why Johan don't like Jonathan Vaughters?

[@TheLogancoats]

Look for MVDP to make his mark.

[@PazLeBon]

hes hardly even managed a lead out tbh

[@n.heroep2786]

Maybe they need a dropper post. Since there's no high mountain climb, so a bit of weight might fine? I hate this gimmick gravel or cobble stage. It's a 3 week races, and there's too much luck play on it. Besides it's "road racing" not gravel. 🙄🙄 Want to spectacular.. watch unbound. On the other note, I fear for Primoz. The guy is prone to crash, and tomorrow will be marred with crashes. I just hope all the GC guys all stay upright. Up until now, we have a very exciting GC race.

[@PazLeBon]

Want to spectacular.. watch unbound.?

[@5508Vanderdekken]

The best should be determined by who’s stronger on the bike and who has the better team, not because of crashes or mechanicals. this gravel stage seems like a cheap way to manufacture drama at the risk of injury

[@suersu3963]

But that is the same for any stage. I don't like watching people risk their life but I also wouldn't watch the tour if everyone just rode on rollers. This stage doesn't seem any more outrageous than all the crazy insane life threatening descents they do all the time.

[@PazLeBon]

maybe it shouldnt be teams, that isnt individual is it

[@PazLeBon]

@@suersu3963 toughness isnt the issue, its basically punctures obviously

[@lazlo2511]

History of most tours had gravel sections so not sure what all the fuss is about? There will be drama, especially in this out and back course.

[@PazLeBon]

@@lazlo2511 thatd kinda naff logic tho. we didnt even have tarmac roads back in the day lol and the tyres were made of car tyre rubber. its pretty much f1 now, you dont ask f1 cars to do a rallly seection, that would be simply stupid. just cos something happned before doesnt mean its good..

[@guylaub8505]

Its the first time I hear Johan give a bad take which is really surprising (maybe it's just because he hates EF manager ;) ) The EF Tactic was pretty obvious. They knew they didn't have a chance to win the stage with such a small breakaway of only 3 people with 5-6 sprint teams chasing them. When the lead went up to 2 minutes and they were only 3 they intentionally dropped from Abrahamson, because they wanted more people in the breakaway. They didn't want to waste energy just "to be in the breakaway", they aren't competing for the polka dot jersey but for a stage win. With a strong and big breakaway they might've had a chance today. Abrahamson on his part didn't want more people in the breakaway because all he cares about are the polka dot jersey points so he didn't mind to pull hard. When the 2 EF guys dropped from Abrahamson (intentionally) Bettiol and Healy were pulling hard on the climb to close the gap and encourage more teams like IPT or Trek who didn't have a sprinter to join the breakaway. In order to make a bigger breakaway with a better chance to win. I was actually surprised no other team tried to join the breakaway at that part. In my opinion, EF did they right call, they tried to go on a breakaway with a big group. When they saw it didn't work they adjusted and tried to make the breakaway bigger and then they made the right call to call the guys from the breakaway back in order to not waste energy on a breakaway that didn't have a chance. The only bad call that might hurt them was that they pulled too early for the breakaway in the flat/descent instead of waiting for the climb which might've cause a bigger breakaway in the first place.

[@PazLeBon]

the guy got 10km from the finish alone. with 3 riders they stole that

[@guylaub8505]

@@PazLeBon That's hypothetical, with 3 guys in the breakaway the Peloton wouldn't give the breakaway 6 minutes. The reasons they gave Abrahamson so much time is so no one else joins the breakaway and it's easier to manage. They calculate pretty easy how to catch a breakaway if there are few riders, when the breakaway is big then it becomes hard to manage time. The goal is to always catch the breakaway around 10-20km to prevent further attacks.

[@PazLeBon]

@@guylaub8505 it was a retort to your hypothetica lstatement , bottom line is we will never know

[@guylaub8505]

@@PazLeBon No, bottom line, they didn't have a chance with 3 people against 6 Sprinter Teams lol

[@PazLeBon]

the 3 riders werent a gc threat and a single rider got 10km away and it was an effort to catch hiim

[@PazLeBon]

Gravel stages do not belong on the tour full stop.. Team time trials however! philpson looks unbalanced powerwise with left side underpowered... and why he seemingly always goes right when he hammers it and losing bike lengths.think eg were waiting for thier teammate to join in but he couldnt get away from the pack

[@richardevans2421]

hmmm lance 58 to 78....

[@pavonirollup..7352]

Viva.. 🎉🎉Bini🎉🎉🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷🇪🇷💯💯💯🦵🦵🦵

[@kevinsande1677]

Juian Benards fine was about safety for the other riders coming through...duhh!

[@PazLeBon]

innit

[@erbterb]

Fines for kissing your wife. They wanted him to make out with his transitioned husband. Regarding the strange EF breakaway. I thought they were picking up the third EF rider when they dropped from the front. Tomorrow we will be back to the tour roots. Farms, eggs, bacon and a bottle of wine from the local café. Then off for the next 300km ride.

[@JohnBrownlow]

All the reasons Johan hates it are all the reasons why it's a good idea

[@lazlo2511]

Starting to show his age, gravel is the biggest thing to happen to cycling and we don’t have room for this traditional mindset! Gravel is not going anywhere, best to get used to it.Road racing across the globe is dying a slow death, just look at bike sales.

[@TT-rk4uy]

@@lazlo2511I don’t know where you live but I have never seen so much road bike interest in the last 3 or 5 years

[@JohnBrownlow]

@@lazlo2511 nobody wants to have to duel with cars, basically. At least not me. And back in the day the Tour was far more wild and brutal than it is now.

[@dwaynecoy1871]

He said it is great for folks watching on TV at home. Well, that's pretty much everyone watching this podcast, including me. I don't care if it's more challenging for the teams and the riders. That turns a non-mountain stage more compelling to watch (other than the last 10K).

[@JohnBrownlow]

@@dwaynecoy1871 even Lance basically talked himself into it being a good idea if you watch the podcast

[@barrysmith7168]

Johann and the UCI are like oil and water.

[@CliftonDon74]

First! Hi Johan!

[@ravenclawparagliding]

Oh yea JB you still haven’t gone flying with us at Aspen Paragliding. George’s family and Lance’s family have gone. You’re up JB! Ask Lance to call Alex at Aspen Paragliding

[@TheJbhager]

Scared shitless but my 22 yr old daughter would do it in a heartbeat.

[@jonathanhowland42]

EF will EF

[@Sills71]

A French guy in his last Tour wins the first stage... Vino keeps up with Pogacar despite being off for a month... Now Cav breaks the record... seems more a WWF story line than a TdF...

[@PazLeBon]

world wildlife foundation?

[@elliotoliver8679]

‘A French guy’ ? Bardet is a cycling great, check out his Palmeres

[@maxwellmcdowell3744]

Lol I love the shot at the know it all, never a pro , Playstation playing, KZbinrs. No names needed..😂

[@Oldgames1000]

When did he say that?

[@PazLeBon]

we have cycling on play station? thought they all on zwift? :)

[@maxwellmcdowell3744]

​@@Oldgames1000 16:31😊

[@lucycat7585]

EF sucks.

[@NothingtoSay9817]

Come on Johan. The constant digs about Vaughters is getting pretty old. It’s like you’re a bunch of bullies trying to impress the head bully Lance. 🤷. It’s toxic and you’re better than that.

[@alwaysglamorous8941]

He was honest, he doesn’t like him, and he has that right, stop being a snowflake

[@NothingtoSay9817]

@@alwaysglamorous8941 every single opportunity there is a dig about Vaughters. Getting pretty old. The analysis is brilliant without all the schoolboy bullying crap.

[@kevinsande1677]

gravel favors Pidcock...he wins tomorrow. Think his Starda Bianche victory.

[@lazlo2511]

I’m with Ben Healy, Picock is not firing on all cylinders in this TDF

[@kevinsande1677]

​@@lazlo2511...like I said Pidcock!

[@howlinhauler]

give the people what they want! the wedu way. stage9 :MVP vs WOUT vs POGI ,fight

[@PazLeBon]

lol @wout

[@mikeoc217]

Who ever does the Le Tour reporting for Google News must watch y'all's show for Jahon's expertise. They had a headline about the difference in calorie consumption with Tadej!! Hit the big-time with that one! 👍🏻💯 Tomorrow is going to be Haywire! 🚵🏽‍♀️🇨🇵

[@PazLeBon]

the difference was different software lol

[@mikeoc217]

I know that I was just letting them know someone at Google News monitors JB ^👍🏻💯🚵🏽‍♀️🇨🇵