Johan v. Felix: Venezuela's Best

[@AndThatsBaseball]

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[@leiinho1]

As a Venezuelan, there's nothing better than a video talking about these two goats. They were my favorite pitchers growing up and one of the main reasons I got into baseball so early in my life. Thank you so much for this one :)

[@AndThatsBaseball]

These have to be the guys that every single Venezuelan pitcher looks up to now. They were so special to watch

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Felix definitely did the Impossible. He played almost his entire career in Seattle and didnt even attempt to self delete once

[@fortynights1513]

As they said in the last part of the Dorktown doc, unlike A-Rod, Griffey, Ichiro, and Randy, Felix stayed. Edgar Martinez of course also spent his whole career here, but he peaked at a later age (he was 32 in 95), and may not have made as much money if he went to free agency. But we’ll never know.

[@battle4truth701]

​@@fortynights1513Ichiro was traded though

[@andygreeley5196]

This is Kyle Seager erasure

[@fortynights1513]

@@andygreeley5196If they ever do a follow up, Seager deserves mention.

[@fortynights1513]

@@battle4truth701He was. But did he request to be traded?

[@cosmoid]

I miss Felix 🥹 Cant wait to see him inducted into the Mariners HOF in a couple weeks

[@fortynights1513]

He had a great career here.

[@michealconnell7499]

As a Braves fan I always liked Felix he was loyal. I was excited when we was going give him chance in 2020 but with Covid I respect his decision not to play.

[@battle4truth701]

​@@michealconnell7499 Can you only imagine!!!

[@fortynights1513]

Mariners fan here, and Felix was an excellent pitcher. His perfect game was an amazing thing to see in person (was there with my Dad), and he was no worse than the second or third best pitcher in the game for a half decade and change. It was unfortunate that he started to get hurt right when we got Nelson Cruz, and the lineup improved. With an average lineup in his prime, Felix probably retires as a 200 game winner. Santana similarly had an incredible peak, and it’s unfortunate that he went one and done on the Hall of Fame ballot. He might deserve to be in. What say you?

[@AndThatsBaseball]

I could see myself voting for either of them, but I understand that they’re prob both gonna miss because they didn’t stick around the league into their thirties

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

I think Felix gets in. The Perfect Game cemented it. I don't think it will be first ballot or unanimous...but he gets in because of it. That and a few impressive stats like 10 straight seasons of under 4 ERA. The King is the type of Pitcher Old Head types love. The type where in 10 years they can look smart talking about him because being in Seattle hurt his reputation amongst casuals.

[@fortynights1513]

@@AndThatsBaseballThey are both essentially peak players without the longevity. Kind of like Dave Stieb if you’ve watched Jon Bois’ Dorktown documentary on him. From a Mariners fan, I’d argue that Johan Santana should get in if only one of them is to. Either way though, worst case scenario both deserved to be debated by the Baseball Writers, and Santana went one and done.

[@fortynights1513]

@@justinlast2lastharder749Being in Seattle might have caused some to overlook him at times as he never pitched in the playoffs, and with how bad our lineup was from 2010-2014, his record wasn’t as good as it could have been. Regardless, Felix should get 5% of the vote if enough voters wish to go off peak performances.

[@nickpeitchev7763]

Felix makes it but not Johan

[@3SailorMartin]

I'm glad Dave was still around to call his grand slam!!! We miss you, Dave!!!

[@AndThatsBaseball]

I really wish I got to hear him call more games in my life. Even as a Yankees fan, his game 5 alds call gives me chills, might be the greatest call of all time.

[@fortynights1513]

Niehaus was a great announcer. Dave Sims had a good call of the perfect game too.

[@joshhalilej901]

Getting recommended this video when I was literally at this game is too much lmao

[@AlbinDavidN]

This video reminds me so much of my early childhood . MLB the show , on tv , these were by far two of the most dominant 05-06 era pitchers . What a time , I fell in love with the sport around that time . Thanks for the video great work

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@BensPitchingClips]

I've had this take for a while. His stats career wise, and Kofaux, are so similar, its hypocritical to have one in the HOF and the other not.. ERA+ shows they were just as dominate for a similar amount of time, and way.. And looking at their careers, it just makes sense. This isnt me saying Sandy isnt a Hoffer, but Johan Santana had hall of fame chances, that were totally over looked because of his ERA.. Thanks for the video!

[@AndThatsBaseball]

If he won the 2005 Cy Young, I don't see how he wouldn't have made it. How can you leave off a guy who 3-peats the Cy Young?

[@BensPitchingClips]

@@AndThatsBaseball Same way they'll leave Bonds off, or Lofton off, or Stieb off.. Baseball voters are weird man

[@Gemnist98]

@@AndThatsBaseball This, right here. Santana has the stats, but isn’t in because Big Sexy decided for once to not let us have nice things. Now we know how his wives feel.

[@ahogg5960]

​@@BensPitchingClipsWell, Bonds is arguably the easiest of the three to leave out, with the PEDs and the DV allegations. Lofton and Stieb should be Hall of Famers, as should Carlos Delgado (who I reckon got snubbed for not supporting the Iraq War at the time)

[@fortynights1513]

@@Gemnist98Colon had a solid year for himself, but Santana definitely should have won that Cy Young. Colon, along with Rick Porcello in 2016, are probably the last two times that Cy Young awards were handed off of older criteria and way of looking at it.

[@aaronstreitenberger6012]

I remember going wild after that Regnal Slam. Felix in his prime was nigh unbeatable if you put up more than 1 run a game. The Ms lost a lot of games during that era.

[@benpeltola1364]

without Jon Bois' coverage of this one in his history of the M's, I wouldn't really have an appreciation for how absurd it was when Daniel Camarena did it.

[@nomorefielders]

Great choice of photo for Felix’s cutout

[@silmarian]

I’ve been to fewer than 10 baseball games since 2000, so it’s weird to see 3 of them in one video (Twins playoffs and one of the Mariners v Twins games).

[@TheTEN24]

Loved watching both of these guys pitch. Johan was awesome for the Mets and even tho his no hitter wasn’t the best I’ve ever seen and had some controversy I’m so glad he delivered one for us. King Felix was just so dominant and he’s still my last perfect game and a legit Hall of Fame candidate

[@RoyalPear]

i gotta say dude, i always love your music choices

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Been using more and more video game music recently

[@JonathanSpringer]

I actually went to that game. King Felix absolutely tomahawked that ball. Unbelievable.

[@mikael.00]

pokémon BW music makes this video even better than it already is, great work

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Song is called “coronation day”

[@FroyoMNS]

@@AndThatsBaseball Unova music continues to absolutely slap

[@gaberobison680]

@@FroyoMNSAlmost like hiring actual composers instead of keyboard wizards to do music is a good idea

[@Snazzeo]

coming back to this and man, shea was a special place. I’m too young to have ever gone and it’s one of the biggest regrets of my life

[@jeffarmfield2346]

Also, absolutely LOVE the putter choice!! That's the exact putter I'd get if I got a scotty

[@SconnerStudios]

Felix will probably get snubbed in Hall voting like santana did, even though he should stay on the ballot. Santana probably had the best 10 year career a pitcher had since Sandy Koufax, and even though it didn't last long, he was hands-down the best pitcher in MLB for 3 years.

[@fortynights1513]

A lot of older voters tend to look at raw, cumulative totals as opposed to peak performance, and as such, Santana probably wouldn’t occur to them. Though the case can be made that Santana belongs, and Felix is at least worthy of making 5% of the vote based on his peak.

[@gaberobison680]

Felix is a guaranteed Hall of Famer

[@djsvarietychannel9664]

I thought this was gonna be about Santana's no hitter and then King felix's perfect game in 2012 lol

[@foundmp3689]

I don’t think anything can compare to how great it was watching Félix pitch from kings court at a kid. One of the most beautiful thing is baseball.

[@WhatHappenedtoBaseball]

Surely an American League pitcher won't hit one of the last grand slams in Shea Stadium...

[@LordWafflestomp]

Hearing the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Lake Trio Theme in a baseball video wasnt on my bingo card 😅

[@adamlarocca2557]

Yeh them in their prime was so fun to watch.

[@alcidesrios7222]

Background music sounds like Donkey Kong Country from SNES

[@54raynor]

Yes, that was easily the highlight of Seattle’s 2008 season. Hell, it might have been the only highlight of Seattle’s 2008 season.

[@fortynights1513]

That, and Richie Sexson throwing his helmet

[@fortynights1513]

What’s the music at 5:58 out of curiosity?

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Cello Suite - Bach Full music playlist is linked in the description

[@fortynights1513]

@@AndThatsBaseballMy bad. Will make sure to look there next time. Good for you for putting those in your descriptions, a lot of KZbin channels don’t.

[@awesome123306]

Before watching this. This has to be the grand slam 🤣 I was like 13 when this happened and it was amazing

[@Guiltyconscience83]

I wouldn’t be surprised if that was the only runs the mariners scored that game… someone should do a video and see if an ace or any pitcher has gotten worse run support over their career with one team as Felix. He should’ve been a 300 game winner, I forget what year, I’m pretty sure it was the year after he won the cy young (and should’ve won it again this year) but he shattered the record for consecutive quality starts of going 7 or more innings while giving up 2 or less runs. I think the record was 13 and he ended up getting something like 18-19.

[@elyfel1183]

The Mets are blessed and cursed. lol. It was a treat to watch these two careers... hope they're doing well in retirement. ... and yes, both SHOULD be in the Hall.

[@Trillyana]

I was at that game ..........the 2-0 game the Yankees lost to Johan in the playoffs, not the grand slam game

[@coolbreeze4249]

Felix is the most underrated pitcher in the history of the game

[@PTFVBVB]

Just another casual ATB banger

[@AndThatsBaseball]

The usual

[@4everinpanama]

"How can you not be romantic about Baseball?"

[@AREALLYBIGSPOON]

beautiful video.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Thanks!

[@chreeess]

😂😂😂 knew I recognized the game freak songs

[@notreallyadog9646]

Title: MLB's Weirdest Grand Slam of All Time Video: Actually just a comparison of two pitchers' careers, and shows Grand Slam in passing for about ten seconds during last 90 seconds of video.

[@matthicksxx]

Wow. Great editing.

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@HeySalina]

Best beisbol KZbinr tbh

[@AndThatsBaseball]

Agreed

[@bubblerman]

Now this is cinema

[@AndThatsBaseball]

You know ball

[@bubblerman]

@@AndThatsBaseball the sequence of Johan’s no-no was 🤌

[@hateusernames2]

The best Venezuelan pitchers Los mejores pitchers Venezolanos

[@Brippy12345]

Love the Yankees plug

[@NoUploadJustComment]

I remember it well. I was there.

[@Andy_Babb]

I love the folks from Minnesota and I don’t want them to lose their team… but it’s amazing they still have a team with how poor they’ve been for decades. Those fans deserve so much more.

[@jeffnak5598]

Felix really should have 2 Cy Young awards in his career. He got robbed, I believe it was in 2014. He had better stats than Kluber and it wasnt close. It felt like the usual popularity contest where the voters couldn't vote for a Mariner. The only excuse they had was Kluber's K's. Felix had a better ERA, ERA+, BB, WHIP, hits allowed, ect. How do you justify giving the other guy the Cy Young, what a joke. The same robbery happened to Verlander with porcello winning, even though Verlander was better.

[@bmac4]

IMO that year's Cy Young should have gone to Zack Britton. I dont care he only pitched a third of Verlander's or Porcello's innings when he was nearly six times as effective in those innings as a reliever and pitching in high leverage situations all year. (And WAR doesn't tell the full story when that stat is already skewed significantly against relievers) Though among starters I'd still say Verlander got robbed by someone who recorded more wins in a weird vote overall.

[@jeffnak5598]

@@bmac4 I think relievers should have their own award. It feels odd to give a pitcher with 60 innings an award others with 200 innings are up for consideration for.

[@fortynights1513]

@@jeffnak5598Ever heard of Rolaids relief man? And it’s later name?

[@jeffnak5598]

@fortynights1513 I have and I just think things should be completely separate. An innings minimum for Cy Young and a start max for relievers for their award.

[@fortynights1513]

@@jeffnak5598I could get behind those restrictions

[@TheSeattle6]

Cracked up laughing as soon as I realized the track for Felix’s perfect game was God of War

[@misfortune6666]

8:02 describes Felix's entire career

[@ajhernandez27]

Did they ever play a WBC together?

[@AndThatsBaseball]

I don’t believe so

[@gusmilonas4140]

I was there the grand slam

[@-linusthegoat-4825]

who’s here after the title was changed

[@AndThatsBaseball]

It’s been changed a good dozen times 😭

[@-linusthegoat-4825]

@@AndThatsBaseballit just got changed again

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

Im upset about the Domingo German news but he probably doesnt deserve much sympathy.

[@Andy_Babb]

Back when baseball was good and not dominated by nerds who never played

[@jamese4729]

Johan would have won several more Cy Young awards if voters cared about anything other than pitcher wins in his prime...

[@AndThatsBaseball]

2005 is such a ridiculous vote in retrospect

[@jamese4729]

@@AndThatsBaseball the only stat Colon beat Santana in was walks, where he walked two fewer batters in nine fewer innings. What a farce of an award that year... :(

[@fortynights1513]

@@jamese4729Not that it should have been a major factor, but Colon also led the league in pitching wins and had five more than Santana. Also, his team won 12 more total. Not that it makes sense for Colon to win it, but that’s probably what those going off of older criteria would cite. Side note: Was Colon even the best pitcher on Anaheim that year?