John Adams- Posterity

From the HBO series "John Adams" Now on DVD

[@kevinzhang3313]

Jefferson: "Why should we talk about politics, the only thing we disagree on, when we can agree on so many other things?"

[@jtfairchild3838]

Aye !

[@jtfairchild3838]

Many agreed that Providence handled and controlled all things ....and that He watched over those that humbly came to Him for protection , provision and the salvation of their souls now and for eternity because of the finished work of Christ.

[@raspherion]

Because, even though men may disagree, it is one most speak. We need discussion and understanding, not discourse and division, yet it is the very nature of politics to make so. It is quite the paradox, is it not?

[@WalkingTaako42]

If these two old white powerful men to whom the consequences of politics are theoretical and impersonal can get along, why can't the rest of us?

[@ThrillaWhale]

@@WalkingTaako42 Yeah, it’s not like they lives in the times they affected or anything.

[@jeffreylombardo782]

There was never such a collection of great minds,at the right place,the right time under the right circumstances to ensure the birth of an old idea in a new world.

[@30AndHatingIt]

Where did you get that quote?

[@orlonarsino6729]

Yeah correcr me if I'm wrong but a democracy and republic type governments were contenplated during the romans and even further back to the greeks right ?

[@cnquistador]

@@orlonarsino6729 "...to ensure the birth of an old idea in a new world." He's not saying that America's founding fathers came up with the idea of Democracy/Republic, but that they created a new version of it which combined the lessons of the past with the ideas of the present (their present, at least).

[@dalepeto9620]

The greatest in world history??

[@ZephLodwick]

@@dalepeto9620 I'd say there are several flaws in the US system. Elections are held in a first-past-the-post fashion, which has caused the creation of a two-party system. The president has very few direct checks on his power. He can have his veto overridden, but that takes a degree of bipartisan support that America doesn't have. I think the preferable system over both the American and British models is one where there is a president who is in charge of external policy and a PM chosen by parliament, who would gain most executive powers. This system would decrease the likelihood of a governmental shutdown--which is a common problem here in America.

[@kingwacky184]

The way John Adams ends the first letter, I am sir your afflicted friend, John Adams. That line always brings me to tears.

[@dogguy8603]

Well, up to this point, Jefferson and Adams hated eachother. When Jefferson ran against Adams it was and still is considered one the nastiest campaigns ever in American history. But, as the years went by, they never spoke to eachother, until finally, they were all that was left, the last 2 founding fathers, who lost their close family. Through these letters they rekindled their friendship until they died, on the same day July 4th 1826, the 50th anniversary of the signing of the declaration of independence

[@martinconnors6200]

I think of my maternal Grandparents during this segment. Sorry for my tears. I'm ever so sorry for this

[@Jack4nd1]

"It is of some comfort to us both that the term is not very distant that which we are to deposit our sorrows and suffering bodies, and to ascend to an ecstatic meeting with friends we have loved and lost, and whom we shall still love and never lose again." The use of the english language in this scene has always moved me.

[@JB-gw7xf]

Jefferson had a lot of flaws, but you can never say he wasn't a gifted writer.

[@ryanthrasher2719]

I know! I am in tears every time I see, hear, and experience that moment.

[@inigobantok1579]

These Americans were in essence British and a lord from Bristol remarked during his visit to the colonies that Americans speak better than their own subjects in Britain

[@abehambino]

That line is made all the more deeper when you know that both men departed this world together, on the same day, neither knowing the other was departing, and on the 50th anniversary of the nation of which they dedicated their entire lives to creating and preserving.

[@anthonycunningham8116]

​@@inigobantok1579 Ro be fair, he was from Bristol. What they know about speaking coherent English could be written on the back of a postage stamp

[@Jeff_Loveness]

"Your Friend, Thomas Jefferson." Gets me every time. What an incredible production.

[@Robertz1986]

It's worth noting they died on the same day... which happened to be the 50th anniversary of the signing of the declaration of independence... July 4th, 1826

[@saudade2100]

Perhaps also worth noting, on July 4, 1826, as both Adams and Jefferson died, each with the other in his thoughts, on that same day, Stephen Foster was born near Pittsburgh. Adams and Jefferson helped create America, and Stephen Foster wrote America's first songs.

[@jamescurley9551]

That’s what’s up

[@ateram]

while John Quincy Adams was the president of the US

[@IDBTitanosaurus]

J. Adams wanted to write to T. Jefferson on the 4th too. Thomas was telling his father, "You can write tomorrow."

[@kevinzhang3313]

God made a deal with Satan to make America...50 years later, it was time and he gave it back to the Devil.

[@scotthimowitz8400]

Genius to film Adams upside down walking through the cornfield. Shows how disruptive his life was after losing Abigail.

[@John-Adams]

Nah, it was just filmed on location in Australia.

[@JoshuaMNielsen]

@@John-Adams Where corn falls into the sky?

[@joliecide]

On another note, Monticello looks glorious.

[@aussiegod4269]

@@John-Adams salty but fine

[@jacobjones5269]

And that in almost 50 years, the world they knew had been turned upside down... As ours will be 50 years from now..

[@Jubes123]

"Well, posterity, you will never know what it cost us to preserve your freedom. I only hope that you will make a good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that I ever took half the pains to preserve it." -John Adams

[@aarfeld]

I think that whay he is trying to do is speak with a slight lilt of a Scottish accent. By all accounts of those who knew him this is how Jefferson spoke, which he absorbed firstly from his mother, who was Scottish born, and secondly by his earliest schoolmaster, also a Scot.

[@ZephLodwick]

@@aarfeld I thought it was interesting how the series handled the accents of the characters. We don't know what the accent of colonial America was like. We know they spoke with a distinct accent, and we know that New Englanders spoke differently from other Americans, but we don't know exactly what they sounded like. The creators of the series side-stepped the issue by giving characters all sorts of accents. Thomas is Irish, John's is a pretty standard east North American, John Quincy is from the south of England.

[@gorgefood9867]

He's repenting now. Government keeps getting bigger and our number of rights keep getting feweer.

[@htf5555]

doesnt matter. their statues are torn down and the founding myth is replaced with, whatever it is they're replacing it with

[@johncostello5533]

"Your friend, Thomas Jefferson." True friendship never dies.

[@colinbagel860]

It’s hard to find true friends

[@meganbateman5634]

I guess why they died on the same day as America's 50th birthday.

[@divisioneight]

There's a lesson to be learned in these two men, completely different in all political aspects and opinions, yet dear friends and forever bonded with respect. We ought to learn from these two gentlemen and take from them their lesson to us to get along, not belittle and hate one another, call each other names and take to the streets to battle one another, all over a simple difference in political opinion.

[@macree01]

Jefferson and Adams reconciled a long time before each others deaths. They started writing each other almost immediatley after Jefferson left office.

[@herondelatorre1737]

DivisionEight : Your suggestion is a good one. However, these days the political parties in the US are so far apart and are in the extreme political spectrum that even trying to extend a hand of friendship from one side to the other would now be considered as treason or heresy. One can only hope that one day personal friendships from political people like John Adams and Thomas Jefferson will return civility to the United States.

[@steed3902]

@@herondelatorre1737 Justices Scalia and GBG were famous friends!

[@countravid3768]

We judge ourselves on the extremes in which few hold that belfie and never let go to that idea of animosity. Never recognizing the commonality of our foes and purpose of the state to be of the people and for the people, for when we cease to respect our adversaries, we cease being respectable people. Let us find joy in the things in which we share, whether it be nationality or our pursuit of liberty, life and happiness.

[@kevinzhang3313]

You're not really making that point with Adams and Jefferson considering how long they had drifted apart and reunited when they were elderly.

[@EtzEchad]

I'm so glad that these two men wrote so many letters to each other at the end. It was a great condensation of their history.

[@BCsouperfan2124]

I love the way JQA’s wife says “Thomas Jefferson” at the end. It’s like she can’t believe her elderly father knows Jefferson, let alone was President himself

[@nathangonzalez9710]

They (Adams and Jefferson) were intence political enemies, I took it as shock that they were writing so kindly.

[@lucassimmons3496]

@@nathangonzalez9710 their politics aside they were best friends prior to Adams presidency. There’s a letter from much earlier where Jefferson thanks the adams for traveling to help him raise his children for a short period after his wife died

[@nathangonzalez9710]

@@lucassimmons3496 I knew that. I ment the daughter in law reaction.

[@jeremyrossi2716]

After politics in their eldest years they became good friends again. Even as political adversaries, they disliked members of their own parties (Hamilton and Burr) before they disliked each other.

[@mikkye2571]

@@nathangonzalez9710 thanks for this I was Choi g speak the facts but you already did lol

[@joelbeske1504]

Two of the most important individuals this country has ever produced.

[@acdragonrider]

and yet society and political correctness addicts hate them so much

[@benny569]

“but you and i are not to die before we’ve explained ourselves to each other…” i don’t have anything politically inclined to say, but all i know is that their friendship was beautiful. flawed, revolutionary, bountiful, but enlightening and thought provoking. i would love to have a friend like that.

[@Rensune]

So close that they even died on the same day, of old age.

[@dinodude-nx8yt]

They both died of health issues

[@paulwagner688]

Truly Adams was the firebrand of the revolution. Little Massachusetts dragged the rest of the country to its independence.

[@tromboneman4517]

And thank God for it!!!

[@joliecide]

Yet the show suggests he was absent from the revolution itself, having been away to Europe for most of the war. Agree though, he was instrumental in the declaration.

[@paulwagner688]

@@joliecide True. But without him there wouldn't have been a revolution.

[@dogguy8603]

​@@joliecidenot only that but his personal morals of that eveyone deserves a fair trial led to him defending the soldiers involved in the Boston massacre

[@shiralboone5792]

The letters between friends Thomas Jefferson and John Adams . These two men died on July 4th the same day ... of the same year.. Amazing men of faith and foresight.

[@god9364]

exactly 50 years after independence

[@Robertz1986]

50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, which Adams did more than anyone to ensure passed, and which Jefferson actually wrote.

[@Gravelgratious]

This series made me not worry about growing old and drifting away. We are all fated to live and die best to love one another than hate. Life is too short to hold by the collar. You must let life run as it wishes.

[@XykuJoxa]

Great pic/name.

[@cranky1chick]

What has been published of the Adams-Jefferson correspondence is excellent to read. I'm glad the series paid homage to their great rivalry/friendship and showed the mellowing of both as their correspondence grew later in life.

[@mafaldarox]

"...and to ascend to an ecstatic meeting with the friends we have loved and lost and whom we shall still love and never lose again."

[@wcottee]

Amen

[@davecrupel2817]

All i can think of are my grandparrents 😞😢😭

[@dalepeto9620]

Astute words, beautiful words, kind words, and healing words.

[@artygunnar]

yeah, these people wrote the constitution and declaration of independence, what would you find today? "Ummm, like, sooo, we's gottsa to make a county, what's the word? country! oh, we's gottsa to make a country (wow, big word) so can we can be not under control of someone"

[@jeffnaslund]

It’s a nice thought, but won’t happen

[@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247]

I miss this way of eloquence when even conversations were poetic

[@allies7184]

John Adams and Thomas Jefferson both died on the same day. One in Virginia and the other one in Massachusetts; when they went to heaven that must have been some reunion.

[@martinconnors6200]

I'm still afflicted by the intense pain, of my Maternal Grandfather's and then Maternal Grandmother's deaths (both lost to the lethal pandemic in late January 2021). I still cry because they were an enormous part of my life. Due to strict guidelines; I was prohibited from seeing my dear Grandparents (for the very last time).

[@CustodianVirgil]

I'm not sure why, but this ending reminds me a lot of Lord of The Rings. Bittersweet.

[@cumpanions8105]

the cornfield and walking stick looks so lotr

[@haraldisdead]

Maybe cuz it's exactly like lord of the rings?

[@emw1994]

It's about the parting of friends. That's always sad.

[@DJCoolK1d]

“One more step & I’ll be the furthest away from Massachusetts I’ve ever been.”

[@Zomfoo]

Adams was rather hobbit-like (one of the Sackville Bagginses). Nevertheless, if this were like Jackson’s atrocious adaptation, it would have had five endings.

[@sawzaw203]

What a tremendous exchange of words between to people! It's unfortunate how nobody speaks like that anymore or acts towards each other in such a manner. Thanks for the posting!! 5 Stars all day!!

[@AnthroGuitarist]

Wow!! Back when KZbin had stars and not likes!!!!

[@scottjohnson7450]

Greg Giraldo did an absolutely brilliant bit about this exact topic. Granted, it was about letters from soldiers in the Civil War, but nonetheless the way these men spoke to each other was almost poetic. Nowadays - like the comedian Louis C.K. said - words almost ooze out of our faces, we're so linguistically lazy!

[@joliecide]

The congratulation on John Quincy's election is so heart warming.

[@HistoryNerd8765]

Just because we disagree with our fellow citizens doesn't mean we can't live them at the same time. Democrat or Republican, we're all on the same team: America.

[@mchanson9332]

This is hilarious given how savagely they insulted each other when running for office

[@acdragonrider]

It’s highly reminiscent of how the best friends behave. So often friends fight fiercely

[@ThisTimeRound]

Friends don't sleep with your wife.

[@benderthepirate]

This is one of the greatest scenes in movies and shows. So heartwarming and beautiful. Especially considering the evolution of their relationship. They went from colleagues, to friends, to best friends, to sworn enemies, to best friends again. We can learn a lot from these two. Giamatti’s and Dillane’s readings of their actual letters was also spectacular. I’m having trouble just putting into words just how amazing this scene is. It’s simply gorgeous.

[@tbwpiper189]

They wrote so eloquently in those days in beautiful sentiment.

[@rosanawan]

This is one of my favorite scene of the whole John Adams miniseries. Both men came together and put behind their differences to share their interest the future of the new nation.

[@hallmichael35]

“My dear friend” gets me every time.

[@garrett1987]

my absolute favorite scene in the whole series.

[@martinconnors5195]

I cannot stop crying when I see and hear this clip. Makes me think of my Maternal grandparents 😢😢😢. Both lost to the deadly Coronavirus pandemic a week apart (in Late January 2021). I still miss them terribly, and I cry almost every day.

[@ThrillaWhale]

Aw man....that was just too beautiful

[@mev186]

Thanks, surprisingly enough, It was difficult to decide where to end the scene because the entire series flows so well.

[@CMichael2276]

What a lovable cantankerous man he was. A true patriot.

[@arthurlandrycf]

this is one of the most well done scenes i have ever seen on TV or the movies- no action- but so deep- amazing

[@OfficialAshArcher]

A true friendship - one that rises above differences in beliefs and is built on respect and a shared journey.

[@captainamerica6525]

Our Founding Fathers...in the twilight of their years. Rest in peace honored sirs.

[@bbaker4117]

None of the boot-lickers in Washington, democrat or republican, are worthy of these men's legacy.

[@sqseq1237]

Jefferson says, time and silence are the only medicines. In fact, when Charles Adams died of alcoholism in 1800, Thomas Boylston Adams said, “Let silence reign over his tomb.” He really did have such a great sense of imagery, like his family.

[@aleksanderkorecki7887]

Thomas also struggled with alcoholism in his later life.

[@AquaAtia]

The correspondence between these two are some of the greatest between two individuals in American history. Jefferson and Adams are the faces of political rivalry and differences within America and yet at the end of the day, they could reconcile. Perhaps it’s naive of me to think we could all take a page out of these two’s books.

[@Jeff_Loveness]

"Your friend, Thomas Jefferson."

[@morbius109]

The men who were our Founders - Washington, Adams, Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton, and on and on - were remarkable and gifted gentlemen, successful and educated and driven. What this land might have been had we not had their enlightened guidance in the birth of the USA....

[@IronMan-tk8uc]

As a black Brazilian, I always admired for what the United States stood for (not a perfect country, since it's supported many atrocities around the world and prologation of slavery well into the 19th century), BUT, it is a great nation, especially your Founding Fathers - truly gifted men, indeed. It looks like they were to be born in that specific period of time to establish the United States of America!

[@morbius109]

Michael Nascimento I agree. Their sole destiny in life was to be there to play the role they did in this nations founding. I hope we can restore some of the purity of their legacy some day.

[@IronMan-tk8uc]

morbius109 I really look forward to that. Even though I never stepped on American soil, but I consider the U.S my secound country.

[@incomemobile8566]

Michael Nascimento Delighted to hear this comment. Trust me you are more of an American Patriot than most Americans. these days. Today being an American is to be a communist big govt loving entitlement slave. America is now just an ideal. It's not even taught in the govt schools over here.

[@captainnerd6452]

IronMan93 America is an idea, a belief, an ideal that hasn’t always been lived up to, but to which men and women like the founders strove hard to live up to, and which has been the goal of most Americans to live by. I believe that there are a lot of Americans in the world who have never set foot here, but who have embraced “Americanness” and as such would be welcome here, by most people at least.

[@PaperGrape]

This series ought to be homework for the upcoming generations.

[@michaelmccurry6279]

Hearing President Ford’s son give the eulogy that his father wrote about President Carter at President Carter’s funeral today reminded me of this. Despite our differences, we are all brothers and sisters with so much we agree on.

[@kenrudd6362]

this is HBO's best show by far

[@morganhale3434]

The promise of America is encompassed by the reconciliation of Adams and Jefferson. It's heart warming that two bitter enemies could beat their swords into ploughshares.

[@treyb387]

When Benjamin Rush calls John Adams and Thomas Jefferson the North and South Poles of the American Revolution it really tells you just how incredibly devoted those two men were to the cause of revolution, despite their later disagreements on the constitution or even how strong the federal government was to be.

[@Jeff_Loveness]

One of the very best scenes. Thank you very much.

[@rg31404]

The nature of their relationship does give pause to consider whether the heat of disagreement that can burn our relationships really does need to burn so hot.

[@jennifersaar1611]

I think that the higher the stakes, the hotter the burn. Jefferson and Adams had such different ideas about how the country should be governed. America was still so young, so fragile - I’d imagine at the time it was rather like keeping a top spinning, and the founding fathers were all too aware of the consequences of letting it fall. Adams believed in a strongly centralized government. Jefferson...not so much. The gossip rags of the time didn’t help matters, and neither did the backstabbing and infighting in Adams’s cabinet.

[@mechanomics2649]

@@jennifersaar1611 Finally, someone in this comments section with a fucking brain.

[@tylero8595]

The makeup and costumes are excellent.

[@xhagast]

I have read the letters exchanged by gentlemen of the time before engaging on a duel and I was astonished at the politeness and gentleness. Maybe face to face they were less polite but if not I would have found it difficult to fight to the death somebody so polite and outright nice. We are a strange species.

[@snakey934Snakeybakey]

Probably my favorite scene in the whole series

[@johnmassoud930]

Can't watch this or the death of Abigail without tearing up. Amazing miniseries

[@martinconnors6200]

I still cry, because I miss my Maternal Grandparents so much. They died in Late January 2021; but seems like their death's; only occurred yesterday or last week. I still wear a broken 💔

[@NotTheWheel]

We cannot mend the hole left by the dear ones we love. Still, in incorporating the same love, the same humor, and the same virtues of those we cherish we can build upon our character and share that version of them with others as a passing torch a flame imperishable, and in doing so we grow as people so though the hole remains we have grown bigger in their memory making the pain less significant. Sorrow itself is like a dropping pebble in still waters. At first, the ripples are rapid and overbearing, but in time, they ease out into a space. Those ripples can build into waves, and in periods of peace, we may find ourselves unaware of their approach. Yet, when they reach us again, they are no less devastating. You will find your love for your dear grandparents a beacon of example, and the love from those around you still to weather the storm of sorrow to safe harbor. May you find peace even in a world where sadness attempts to envelop you completely in courage and conviction in faith. 💙

[@matthewhedrichjr.5445]

How heartwarming and sad a scene can be.

man i wish i was in Pennsylvania in those days. from Philadelphia

[@ke11yke11z]

A bromance to last the centuries

[@DakotaImmortalis]

Such is life in an Age of Enlightenment and modernity,respect shall be forever

[@NotTheWheel]

Remember these two as friends, the basis of our political parties stems from them, but in their end days, they could reconcile as friends. Remember it was that George Washington himself was wary of the division Political Parties could cause, but he was as always the one to lead ahead, Adams and Jefferson to follow that perhaps in their age could catch the wisdom of their commander and chief from so long ago.

[@twincity6079]

I like how they have each other busts of each other’s faces.

[@Unkown-1727]

From colleges to friends to bitter rivals/enemies, and then in there final years best friends. and then they passed away on the same day

[@LtScarecrow87]

I really wish that cameras were present during Adams life. Imagine all those of the first Continental Congress who signed in our freedom, weather they were present or not one day and showed up another due to the war. And then took a group photo to commemorate that moment. It would have been as glorious as the Signing wall mural, if not more so.

[@Nebulasecura]

The first photograph was taken a month before these men died I believe. Sadly it was in France though

[@kaixiang5390]

watching this again I've noticed jefferson's writing tool is meant to produce two letters: one to send and one to keep so you know what you wrote haha

[@OneofInfinity.]

Great friendship goals for any one searching.

[@silverbeernuts4229]

I don't know. This HBO show and its original writer, D. McCullough, did an absolute amazing job and a testament to our fore fathers and to the relationship between Adams and Jefferson through their letters. I am sure every one of us who follow this show must think why our leaders today act and behave as civil as to the past leadership? As our society today is totally controlled by corporations, media and the rich to the point where todays "democracy" is just a pretend word and the rich corrupt capitalist are the real government in power.

[@JoeKerr420]

3:13 Jefferson kept the bust of Adams. Says alot how he thought of him even with their differences

One of the best movie ever

[@johnfahrer5038]

Wish this video would’ve included Adams’ saying “this boy here has made me the proudest father in America” as well as the toast where he didn’t like being reminded of being old

[@carlosgale6777]

And @ 3:47 a Time Traveler mistakenly passed in front of Adam's home in a 12V Vespa GTS Super Sport

[@LeathanL]

One of the better series I've ever watched on "cable" at the time. I miss art like this. So tired of the idiotic "superhero" stuff that passes for entertainment now.

[@synnr666]

I agree with you both and merely stating so. I will add nothing else, but my affirmation, and in that, nothing more can be said.

[@TeamBlizzFM]

😥they loved each other!

[@thedukeofswellington1827]

My dad was a widower for 10 years...he and my mom were married for 38 years. Heartbreaking...😢

[@timheavrin2253]

If only we in 2022 America would only learn from these 2 men & their example.

[@kevinzhang3313]

This kind of love for their home is gone from the atmosphere in America... Let's bring it back while moving forward. What makes us different(In our potential) is not WHAT opinion we have but how we handle the DIFFERENCE in opinion. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 How many countries have been split apart because that was never even a possibility for them? Every citizen needs to put themselves out there to make this country a better place and to enact progress, as they perceive it. That's the spirit of America. Be honestly for and honestly against others as much as you can honestly tolerate. And it's no cakewalk. What's the true spirit of America? If you truly believe you have it, then you should not need to have anyone tell you what it is.

[@minimannik]

They'd roll in their graves if they saw the America of today.

[@romancandle416]

Greatest American broship.

[@Baseballisbest67]

Amen! So well said

[@meganbateman5634]

Glad that they made amends. Jefferson knew Adams needed someone to talk to. Jefferson lost his wife and 7 of his 12 children so he knew what Adams was going through, losing his wife and two more of his children.

[@donfisher8035]

Never buy the idea, which dates are indeed, accurate, that it was coincidence, both died, July 4th. Mysterious are the ways of Providence, to which we mortals understand

[@huybonga3953]

26/7 21h30

[@trevor462]

The way we were.

[@trevor462]

And never will be again, alas.

[@michaelandcarina_personal]

It's based on the accent of his ancestors. They had lived in Virginia for less than a century; he is speaking a sort of proto-southern accent. To think that the English accent transformed into the mottled, Scotch-Irish drawl (that it did evolve into in following generations) in a mere century is silly. :P

[@rickyray2794]

@TheDarkerKnight How exactly do you know?

[@mechanomics2649]

@@rickyray2794 Obviously, he was there. Duh

[@geminiwriter8875]

Just noticed that they have busts of each other - also, not as expiring old but aspiring young.

[@DragonNo1]

A lot has been lost over time. We used to write better and with deeper respect to our readers. Nowadays you only have to see how most of comments in any language resort to emojis to ensure that we don't take too seriously what we want to convey, or simply embrace chicanery for the sake to destroy our opponents. Living faster lives have made us more stupid. This isn't an age of reflection; this is why we're stagnant as a culture.

[@mechanomics2649]

Speak for yourself. There's nothing stagnant about culture at large. Also, people were saying the exact thing you're saying back then too.

[@DragonNo1]

@@mechanomics2649 Back then when? Yesterday? A month ago? Replacing statements with chicanery, clicks and emojis is a prove of originality of thought? If you disapprove my statement bring something better to think about. No doubt I speak for myself. Who else do you speak for? Or it's just chicanery?

[@Illmatic67]

Is it fair to say that Thomas Jefferson may have been the closest person we have had in America to da Vinci?

[@Robertz1986]

No, that would be Benjamin Franklin, though he is close.

[@drewhendley]

@@Robertz1986 Leonardo da Vinci was a Renaissance man and Thomas Jefferson was Americas first Renaissance man. There is the correlation between the two

[@jacobjones5269]

Yes, Franklin was Da Vinci... Thomas was Thomas..

[@jec1ny]

Don't forget Theodore Roosevelt.

[@StarWarsObservation-vs2sg]

Jonny Kim is the public servant/warrior version and he's still young and alive.

[@iLY0X8]

if anyone wants to upload anything, could someone please upload the miniseries?

[@wcottee]

OK, let's face it. No one writes like this today. We have people speaking with "so" and "like" every other word. The tweets have "your" instead of "you're" and "there" instead of "their" as well as other things. What has happened?

[@kurtjk01]

The Frankfurt School has done it's damage, as well as the Stalinists of the 50s. Either time for the Silent Majority to have its will known, or to water the Tree of LIberty. We shall see.

[@dixitmk]

“My dear wife of 54 years has been taken away from me”

[@Rascal_Prime]

1:17 I need to hear these words sometimes. Most of all today, so I'll put this here so I don't have to keep looking for them.

[@paulmiller6647]

Amen

[@theoceansandbox2712]

Fun fact, this scene shows Thomas Jefferson writing with his left hand. He was in fact ambidexterous

[@lilchromozome]

Political enemies turned friends in the end. If only that could be the case for today's politics.

[@PakRoc-dev]

This is why men involved in politics should retire well before their terminal years.

[@J.B24]

These are what you call letters.

[@sly8926]

JB24 no kidding. Jefferson’s initial response to Adams is, for my money, the finest piece of American writing. What beauty he could paint with words!

[@CitizenAyellowblue]

It was a time when communication was more of a luxury than it is now. Letters had to “count” so people put a great deal of effort into their writing. In my childhood, my grandfather used to write to me from another country, and his letters were much like these- well composed pieces of prose.

[@thatsalittlebassist]

@@CitizenAyellowblue I wish we still talked and wrote like this. Much more proper.

[@mechanomics2649]

@@thatsalittlebassist Yeah and people were saying the same thing back then too. It's just old man yells at cloud nonsense. If you want to talk that way, be the change you want to see in the world. You won't.

[@mev186]

Part 7-Peacefield:)

[@jmpwfnfhbo]

@jman12725 I agree, although when Adams was president and Jefferson was his vice, their friendship really kinda tore apart. They hardly ever spoke or did anything. And they both died on the exact same day, exactly fifty years after the Declaration of Independence was ratified.

[@mgwilliams1000]

The use of language in their speech and writings was so profound and powerful. Today it is a simple text that really makes no sense when you read it.... not to mention the free use of profanity. Their writings and their letters almost seem to be a lost part of our exsistence today.....sigh.....

[@ferrer65]

I think we can elevate our speech again. People just need to wean themselves off of social media and read books again. Even watching tv is said to dull your brain. Few people do anything mentally stimulating anymore.

[@djohnson2499]

For the profanity you had to read Franklin's writings. They were full of them

[@dalepeto9620]

Forty yrs. ago they said "no one writes to each other anymore, how terrible. " Now people text all the time.

[@bombkita]

ferrer65 reading books won’t make a person use more sophisticated words. We could easily talk as they do. It’s just considered obviously weird to do in a normal conversation or most any at all.

[@kevinzhang3313]

@@ferrer65 You can't look into the past. You have to move forward using where you are now as a reference, not by the admirable past.