JOHN CENA WAS WWE'S PROP, NOT A FRANCHISE PLAYER

[@12redpeg]

I'd argue Shawn Michaels & Bret Hart were more of a franchise player than Cena can ever be

[@Nooblet92Ca]

Chris Toussaint no doubt

[@12redpeg]

AmbroseFreak95 this was in part to WCW being incredibly white hot at the time HBK was "the man"

[@jrad410]

Alright cmon now I'm not a cena fan but cena was far more successful than those 2 from a purely business point a view

[@bronxmade8710]

Cena didn’t have no competition in having another wrestling company as a real threat like how Bret or Shawn had when they were on top.Thats why Cena was able to do alittle better then them as far as merch sales or ratings so to say...

[@wwetnaful]

HBK and Bret were the best in a bad situation for WWE and were on top when WWE were in a shit period in relevancy........"franchise players"

[@JJ-je2zb]

It started a while ago... starting with Jericho, Angle, and Christian Jobbing out to Cena back in 05/06 fans were tired of him because you could see he wasn’t going to lose clean (look like Superman) by then, but on that night in the elimination chamber back in 06 fans were definitely tired of him the only cheers he got were mostly from women / kids.. Edge winning definitely needed to happen as an end to Cena’s title reign was long overdue. (Nothing was worse than when he faced RVD at ONS though). He did however, make the company a whole lot of money but WWE were driving out the fan base they had for years and as a result almost all those fans will never come back from all these years of Cena. Fact is his first reign was rushed he should’ve kept the gimmick that won the fans over in the first place for at least another year if not at least for a while . Sure, Jbl’s reign was horrendous but what was gonna hurt giving the title to someone else at the time like Kurt Angle who was Red hot putting on classic segments and matches every week during that time . No one can tell me there wasn’t a single Cena segment from 03/04 that they weren’t interested in. (Even though by 04 he was getting kind of ridiculous.. should’ve stayed heel longer but that’s another off topic thing) I never saw Him as a mega star but he did have a lot of charisma and that “look” I think that’s why he won the fans over so long ago but eventually when you get shoved down our throats on a consistent basis burying more deserving talent we’ll definitely have some backlash for ya no matter who you are

[@powerspyin1games]

What you said about New Year's Revolution 2006 was spot on. When I was 6, I did not understand why people started to boo him (because I use too always cheer the faces and boo the heels). Needless to say, now I do.

[@JJ-je2zb]

Powerspyin onegames yes they started booing him around summer slam 05 it became noticeable around the fall / winter of 05 then they completely turned on him once 06 hit

[@Xehanort10]

Cena's just a glorified mascot and human merchandise stand.

[@merriemelodiesfan7425]

Agreed.

[@georgebrice3831]

I been saying that for years to me cena and roman reigns are the worst franchise wrestlers ever in wrestling history these two pieces of crap ran off more real true hardcore wrestling fans than anybody else I know people going to say lex luger but luger never ran off wrestling fans like cena did so yes he the worst franchise player and this is rarely but I agree schelegdaddy for once is really telling the truth

[@thelinedrive]

So your indictment of him is that he makes a lot of money for himself and the company. That sounds like a star to me.

[@diesel101raw]

Bret Hart was an Underrated Franchise Player. In America sure they went down but international was Booming. During the mid 90's had the best feuds him vs Owen, him vs Austin, him vs Shawn and the Montreal Screw the created Vince. He helped built 2 stars(Austin & Vince) and elevated others(Owen, Shawn, Diesel, helped Undertakers in ring work). Even appeared on the Simpsons when it meant something. And Bret was chosen and did a better job of a bad situation over Diesel, Undertaker, Razor Ramon, Sid, British Bulldog, Yokozuna, Lex Luger, Bam Bam Bigelow. All those big guys I just named and they couldn't be the best of a bad situation like Bret did. Montreal Screw Job 1 of the most talked about events till this day. Bret Hart coming back to WWE was a huge deal.

[@eagleslfootball]

Cena became the guy because Brock left and Orton failed. The wwe never had big plans for him but Cena got himself over.

[@MarsKidd27]

Don't get it twisted, if you took Cena out of the wwe back in the day, WWE wouldn't be in this financial state. But for us who are actual grown ups and weren't Cena fans as kids, we see bullshit

[@ttv_cards8133]

Another one. Cena is only presented as a franchise guy because WWE made it that way. He never got over because of his talent he was just a prop that the WWE controlled because they knew he would never leave. That's all he is just a fake ass marketing prop.

[@ttv_cards8133]

twinsofsanity The thuganomics gimmick never truly got over with me, some haha moments but the gimmick never felt natural at all I could never see John Cena as this serious thug he is too goofy to come across that way on TV. I would have never had John Cena close to an main event level but whatever that's just me I felt there were so many better performers.

[@ttv_cards8133]

twinsofsanity I probably should've clarified better, he was popular in 2003-2004 but never truly got over to the masses, from a drawing standpoint, that thuganomics gimmick made him popular but he was a high level midcarder & the gimmick was starting to get stale then Super Cena came, as a main event talent he never truly got over & you could probably agree with me on that. And even when it came to the guy working the guy Triple H was great in that role he was a great utility player he was solid in all areas, and a great antagonist, him as a top guy though was unbearable.

[@ttv_cards8133]

twinsofsanity I yeah I love Brock but I hated RA Brock, he just got opportunity after opportunity way too early and he was a great talent but he was someone that was shoved down everyone's throats. I've actually like this run much more b/c of what he did in UFC there's a certain aura about him he's more believable than anything they've put on TV the last 10 years.

[@illkid86]

cArDiNaTiOn420 youre a fucking idiot cena was over in 03-05 whether you like it or not fuck what you like

[@humbertoduran8664]

cArDiNaTiOn420 Um...he got over on his own with his rap gimmick in 03.

[@joseaguilera6355]

While Cena was on top the ratings went down, house show attendance went down slowly, the product was diddly poo

[@Naminator5]

Yeah, over the course of 10 years. So in my eyes, the ratings and attendance was more stable than what the ratings are now w/o him.

[@jordannewsom3606]

@@Naminator5 this aged well

[@GeorgetheGreat]

I find it so funny that people say wwe failed to find the next Cena in Roman. But Roman gets a lot of the same reaction Cena did and still does lol. Wwe successfully made another's mistake of a Top guy. This company will never learn. How u can hate Roman but like Cena??? It doesn't make any sense

[@Naminator5]

Because Roman isn't Cena. Only the idiot SJW smarks call him that, because to them, anyone who wins all the time (even though that's not the case) and is >6'' is Cena.

[@jic333]

Emperor Nikoli Omg stop calling people smarks, people who use that word usually are their own definition. And both suck, only PG kids do not get that.

[@Naminator5]

Notice how I'm saying "SJW smarks", I'm separating them from the rest since I know you SJWs love to double down and call everyone a smark. I probably should just say SJWs since it's redundant.

[@lzi9452]

GeorgetheGreat no matter what roman is better, at least he’s believable, has potential as the silent bad ass, and his moves don’t look awful

[@ontherealoldisgold9647]

Cena isnt overpushed like b4

[@Profess84]

Your arguement is on point, but you will have a lot of current fans who let the WWE slide, because of what his character represents.

[@J8rdz]

WWE Apologists are the worst, so happy to drink the koolaid and take in whatever nonsense WWE put out and never question it and call people who complain too much smarks and negative.

[@d.cverasity5807]

J8rdz I hate wrestling apologists they're the worst. I did a rant on them and they deserve to be exposed.

[@TheMYERSFAN25]

The funny thing about this video is things are actually WORSE now.....This vid is from 2017 and in 2022, the viewership is even LOWER!!! Your video is almost prophetic.

[@TCVB491]

John Cena was the beginning of the development of the present days harshest truth, it's not about the talent anymore, it's the Brand, hence why they pushed Cena how they did, and how Reigns is being pushed now.

[@raymondmacmichael3268]

Truth is I'm neither a cena fan or hater. Its amazing to me that someone as resoundingly meh as him inspires such emotion either way. Some fans can't handle the truth. Business has went rapidly south since he's been on top. If anyone's a major fan of his and has been for years cool. Keep supporting him no problem with that. What's amazing to me is the last few weeks in August the internet hated Cena for burying Boring Corbin. Amazing how many Corbin fans came out the woodwork for all of one week then disappeared again. But suddenly he feuds with Reigns and all of a sudden his promos are amazing despite the fact its the same one he's cut for the last 15 years. How many of the fans moaning about cena in the run up to Summerslam were the Same ones praising him in the No Mercy build up? Bit like the fans desperate for HHH to take over. How many of them moaned years back about him burying people but now want him to take control?

[@ghennifergrievous9463]

Cena only benefitted wwe not the fans thats why rating are so bad now

[@Alan-oj3ps]

This is why WWE sucks now. They spent a decade feeding talent to Super Cena. Yes Cena was on top of the company longer than Austin. But it's a young person's game. No single man or woman needs to be the face of a wrestling organization for ten years. Now that Cena is middle aged and can't physically work a full time schedule the WWE is screwed. All that time Cena was eating future stars for lunch was the time they could and should have been grooming the next face of the company. By the time Roman Reigns was knighted the man the talent pool was already depleted.

[@MrRed88]

Let's not forget everyone else was around Hogan. Let's not undersell guys like macho man and warrior. If call those guys some damn good franchise players

[@MrRed88]

twinsofsanity I get what you're saying what I was just pointing out how I find it odd how he only mentions one franchise player from the 80s but multiple from the attitude. I mean come on they were plenty back in 80s

[@GackZalifinakis]

Mr. Red 88 That's not true, there were no internet, smartphones, or high quality video games back then, so tv shows were all people had available to watch. Hogan, Macho Man, Warrior were popular simply BECAUSE wrestling was one of the few things on TV back then. They SUCKED in ring and were roided up monsters, like Jinder Mahal. The 80s was overrated trash.

[@MrRed88]

Goodbye Eva Marie, We Love and Miss You! Sure brah. Whatever you say

[@jakesmith44]

Macho man sucked in the ring? Yeah I can tell you know nothing about wrestling other then that boring sack of shit you have as your profile picture. Your nothing but a casual.

[@mudlup5094]

Kinda off topic but looking back at the time period Lesnar left, it would appear the company new around No Way Out when they took the belt off of him, so does that mean they were planning Goldberg/Lesnar for the title? What would that have left Eddie and Angle with, would they get the same match without the belt?

[@MadroxAsylum]

This is why I'm subbed to this channel. Shleggdaddy hits it on the head.

[@eagleslfootball]

Cena was never bigger than WWE and he wasn't even WWE's top choice. To be fair wwe hasn't have a franchise guy since Brock Lesnar in 2002

[@innercirclejessetyla-dough8578]

He is wrestling’s biggest star your just salty that cm punk got released

[@innercirclejessetyla-dough8578]

He is wrestling’s biggest star your just salty that cm punk got released

[@bronxmade8710]

I still remember that feeling watching WM28 with The Rock Vs Cena and me sitting there saying to myself damnnn, The Rock just oozes out franchise big time mega star and what a mega star larger than life star suppose to look like and feel Vs Looking at Cena like you don’t belong in The Rocks league 💯

[@DarthVaderReturns1]

im proud to be a hardcore john cena hater

[@jg3000]

Andre The Giant drew the most money for WWE.

[@Naminator5]

This is bullshit, because one may argue that when Cena was on top, the ratings were more stable. Sure they were very slowly dropping, but it was over the course of TEN FUCKING YEARS. But now that it's no longer about him, and is becoming more about these indie guys, of course the ratings are taking a nosedive and attendance is dropping, and it's only been a few years. And the lack of a true franchise player after is what's really hurting WWE, and the fact that these fake indie wrestling fan SJW smarks are going to boo and highjack shows/storylines for every single one of them doesn't help either.

[@reeseangle9621]

Goldberg was a franchise guy in WCW I wish people would start mentioning WCW more

[@edwardellis3038]

Ironically John Cena NOW is more of an actual franchise player than he was 10/11 years ago. He's doing a lot of mainstream stuff and he's about to star in a major Hollywood movie and he hosted The ESPY's.

[@iomis2001]

Edge should never have been a main event guy. Even the WWE never let him hold the title long. Edge is one of the most overrated wrestlers of all time.

[@billybarnett9518]

I'd say he's one of the most underrated wrestlers of all time.

[@johnnycage2987]

edge isn’t overrated you fucking idiot!!! he’s one of the greatest heels of all time, solid in the ring, alot of charisma, great on the mic.

[@johnnycage2987]

And if your talking about the wwe title? Yeah edge didn’t hang on to it for that long because Super Cena had to win it back.

[@jjb33083]

It's like going back in time.

[@TCVB491]

At least Flacco (and Anquan Boldin) brought a Ring to Baltimore though, it wasn't Ray Lewis hopped on deer antler supplements at 37.

[@11combatzone]

I'm 19 and john cena is trash. Not my reality.

[@harrydaniels7423]

Thru Goldberg's career he wrestled guys that were already established stars. Mostly big stars. So they elevated him. Like I said Cena, never elevated anybody.

[@thelinedrive]

CM Punk, Kevin Owens, AJ Styles, Edge, the whole US title open challenge. Even if the guys were talented in their own right they still need to be put over with the WWE audience as main event players.

[@sairajdas6692]

@@thelinedrive Only guy i can agree is Owens. The pipebomb did for cm punk, matt hardy lita edge love triangle did for edge.

[@bam2617]

Watch John U.S. title run then your decision will be reversed

[@darthdesidus4361]

He saw it dude. But he saw the same thing we saw: they did all of that to make Cena important, not the US title. They made him work with the best talent, gave his matches the most time, and they always protected him at the expense of everyone else. Because where did that belt go after the Cena reign? Back to nothing. It’s all in the booking sir.

[@reeseangle9621]

People always blame HBK and Bret, but that's not pretend like The Undertaker wasn't on that roster also.. Big Daddy cool had the title for a whole year.. he was awful.. wrestle mania 11 the fans was so ready for HBK to win the belt off of Nash. Also Bret and Shawn didn't face each mother enough.. who would wanna see Shawn vs Sid.. or Bret vs Nash for the title?? Vader should have been booked better in 96.. Razor should have gotta a run.. poor booking is the reason the New Generation was a fail.. wcw wasn't doing that good at the time also.. wrestling just wasn't popular in the mid 90s.. Austin was white hot. But so was the sting NWO storyline. Wrestling was just in a good place 97-2000 DDP Goldberg just great TV.. mankind was doing good things in WWF

[@nickheel7096]

The WWF never seemed to be fully behind Brett Hart. They wanted Lex Luger, they wanted Diesel, they wanted Hogan back. They just kept going back to Brett when these things didn't play out. Lets not forget that it was that match with Hart that put Stone Cold over.

[@komirules]

So you are saying he was treated like cm punk. Expect they didn’t even let punk headline a wrestlemania. These 2 are 2 of my favourite all time. This is because Vince still lives in the 70s and 80s where size trumps all. Riccochet and Finn Balor should be big stars with title reigns. Even when you think he had a slam dunk with a big guy with other attributes, he doesn’t know what he’s doing in ec3’s case.

[@daprofessor3154]

wrestlings history of the top draws did not mean they were the franchise player in the company eyes but merely a spokesperson to that promotion think about that for a second people the heavyweight champion at its purest form was meant to be a great representation to that brand the identifiable element of the company.... and there lies the factor the company itself is the franchise player not the person think about your sports teams Jordan only played on the bulls from 84-98 so while hes the greatest player in the team aspect he was a great representation to the bulls and his accomplishments are immeasurable hogan rock austin cena sammartino are representations and part of a rich history of the company of wwe just like u can plug names for ROH TNA NEW JAPAN see the pattern lol

[@Xehanort10]

It's funny to think that before Stephanie McMahon heard him rapping backstage once in 2002 and WWE gave Cena the Doctor of Thugamomics gimmick Cena was about to be fired. I wish he had been looking back. No one knew the 12 year horror that was about to ensue when Cena debuted in a match against Kurt Angle. They called Triple H's run from 2002-2005 the reign of terror but that's nothing compared to Cena's decade and 2 years on top.

[@codejjm]

It’s such a coincidence you made this video today because I had a conversation with a cop about dragonball z. Somehow it turned into a conversation about wrestling and he straight up said I stopped watching when that cena guy started being forced down my throat. To be fair he started ranting about cena acting ghetto and hood so I think his reason a lol deeper than cena sucking

[@GeorgetheGreat]

codejjm lol talkin to a cop about DBZ That's dope

[@TheLuiscelaya]

Comparing Cena to Joe Flacco is still giving Cena too much credit

[@Nooblet92Ca]

TheLuiscelaya ikr at least Flacco won a super bowl and got 0 picks in his play off run I’d compare him to jay cutler

[@ttv_cards8133]

At least Joe Flacco performs well in the playoffs, Cena never performs well.

[@HHHBFResurrected]

The biggest indication of a franchise player's effectiveness to me is how many people who know nothing about the sport know who they are... e.g. I've never watched a basketball game in my life but I know who LeBron James is, don't know his position, why he's a big deal, but I've heard of him. People who've never watched wrestling, never watched any fighting sport, who look down on wrestling specifically, more often than not they'll know nothing, but if they do John Cena is the name they know. He's WWE's only franchise player, and he's not a very good one.

[@OldSlyEyes]

You oughta run for office you are a great speaker

[@isaiahallen1113]

I agree with you 100%

[@Biffo316]

It's a joke that this company outright refuses to make any sort of effort top stars any more. Putting a title on someone doesn't make them top stars. Especially Cena. A franchise player should be someone who takes who takes your venture to unseen heights. It's hard not to be a massive merch mover when you've got someone's merch scattered all over the place with the sheer variation of March it's hard for them not to sell . Wwes failures in recent times is all down to them and their laziness and sheer ignorance towards creating any sort of star power. A franchise player should be bigger than the franchise itself and gravitate towards mainstream like hogan savage rock Austin and even Vince himself but you factor in wwe using new agents like road Dogg who said wins and losses don't matter well if that's the case then rbe hall of fame doesn't matter either. Because that's supposedly the grand prize at the end of your career. Put it this way would Tom Brady be a future hof QB if the patriots never won a Superbowl or even made the playoffs during his time? No. So why wouldn't you consider the same in wrestling

[@stingrey1571]

Yes cena is a prop. I do believe Vince also sabotaged him as well. By keeping him at top, it kept him away from Hollywood. Cena is no rock. However he probably turned down roles because Vince kept talking him into coming back and staying. They made him the top guy....with limits. Vince made sure to elevate cena but insured he didn't fully crossover.

[@ZOP34]

for me, a guy that was only interested in WWE mainly because of The Undertaker, I really don't care anymore about this shit show of a company.

[@malvane8061]

But but but his music says he is!

[@KeymoEmbryo]

Okay Daddy, okay.

[@Resloy812]

Never a truer word said

[@thedriannasequences7234]

The franchise player cycle consists of 3 rotating parts The "no nonsense product": Austin wwe's quarter pounder with cheese, then "the larger than life" big mac: the rock, then comes the transitional period where the big and tasty/quarter pounder deluxe carries the ball (The third string sandwich). Hart was the quarter pounder deluxe following hogan and due to the cheers and favor Y2J was getting, he was the true next in line after the rock. The day they had Jericho get carried out of the building crying and begging not to be fired in order to make cena look good, was the day WWE ruined their franchise player 3 part cycle and any chance of getting a new Austin and rock. Can you imagine if they made Bret hart beg and cry for his job publicly after losing to a lex Luger?! Especially before facing Austin?! Hart was the one who passed the credibility/tough as nails torch to Austin. Jericho was supposed to do that for the next Austin like quarter pounder (probably punk) but that never happened properly due to how they ruined and humiliated Jericho for cena and HHH. so here we are. HHH (the mc chicken) also castrated and buried every other potential quarter pounder, Big Mac, and quarter pounder deluxe sandwiches to come around including Y2J, he even castrated cena when he did the suck it after cena got half booed in their mania match (cena was SUPPOSED to be smackdowns whopper (like sting was to WCW)) So now what we have is a HHH chicken sandwich run chickfil'a where only chickens sandwiches, chicken nuggets, and the dollar menu are allowed to shine.

[@FrankTentertainment]

How do you have 15K subs???

[@csquad81]

The Bret Hart Shawn Michael era was not bad, its just that WCW was better. Also Cena was a franchise player. He was just booked so strong that people were getting tired of it. Cena really did not have that opponent that he could challenge him.

[@merrychristmas3968]

John Cena is not as popular as Hogan and Rock was. He doesn't respect the wrestling industry. If he did, he would have turned heel and babyface more than once his entire career. He's as cardboard as it gets. People love to compare Hogan, Rock and Austin to Cena. The fact of the matter is that all John Cena ever does is manipulate, brown-nose, says baloney whenever his character gets criticized, distorts criticism and just isn't hysterical at all. John Cena is not The Rock-like popular and entertaining and quite honestly, won't ever be. If people think otherwise, more power to them, but they labor under a misapprehension in my opinion.

[@wwetnaful]

"He doesn't respect the wrestling industry. If he did, he would have turned heel and babyface more than once his entire career." Right off the bat stupidity in the first 3 sentences

[@merrychristmas3968]

wwetnaful *Sighs* There's always that one dickhead.

[@merriemelodiesfan7425]

Merry Christmas I agree. I don't want to hear this baloney that John Cena respects the wrestling industry because he doesn't. It doesn't matter how much John Cena tries to put himself out there in the public eye, he isn't even an household name, period. Workhouse? This guy is an all-round awful wrestler and actor, if you ask me. So the Cena fans, the WWE commentators, the wrestling industry and John Cena, himself, can distort criticism towards the John Cena character all they want. At the end of the day, John Cena is a pretentious phony. His character is cardboard. The whole "friendly, smiling, every day man" shtick that Cena is trying to make himself out to be is a nothing but a facade of him trying to keep up his good image in the public eye.

[@wwetnaful]

Merry Christmas Yes......there's always at least one dickhead that comes around to at least call out the mass of stupidity spread by dumbfucks like you during your circlejerks. Turning heel to go back to being babyface shows he "respects the wrestling industry" ala like Hogan, nevermind that Hogan in the last decade alone despite doing that shows he has zero respect for it with all of his dipshit antics in the business and out making himself and the business look bad but hey he joined the nWo and took WCW to new heights for 2 years before basically taking that company for all it's worth before leaving so when it closed it's doors he can say "well that place was still in business when I was there".......yes your comment is still stupid.....

[@merrychristmas3968]

wwetnaful I really don't give a flying fuck if you think my comment is still stupid or not. The John Cena character is monumentally pretentious.

[@codejjm]

A lot of people started watching wrestling because of ultimate warrior

[@LURADZ]

codejjm mainly hogan tbh

[@codejjm]

I’m just saying from my own experience. I never been a fan of hogan. I respect him tho. Even after the racist shit

[@jerryworld3656]

Dats because of wrestling itself not because of Cena

[@jerryworld3656]

It's more like you don't want it to be true than it being true

[@darthbigred22]

Interesting to see these talks now. Cena was and always will be trash. I always used the Bret/HBK analogy as well but WWE revisionist history now has the kids believing there was the magical time when these two "gods of wrestling" ruled over WWF and we all loved and watched them. When you point out this time is called 95-97, the low point for WWF and when the 83 weeks happened they come up with all sorts of excuses. I think you're too generous defending HBK and Hitman. Unless Montreal was a work of course and if that's the case then maybe they are gods of wrestling and even more so if they realized they were the drizzling shits and were man enough to step aside for Austin and the rest of the Attitude era talent to rise. Cena, RKO, HHH never did fuck off when it mattered and between them and PG it killed off the mainstream fan base. WWE did good scamming Fox and NBC with the Smackdown and the WWE Network but you can ride past glory for a long time, look at ESPN. Only now are the chickens coming home to roost for them and they've been unwatchable over a decade as well.

[@humbertoduran8664]

I disagree, Cena was the franchise from 2006 till pretty much now.

[@harrydaniels7423]

Cena, is and will never be a franchise player. Because he didn't elevate anybody, he kills careers example Nexus also Wade Barrett and Bray Whyatt, also Kevin Owens and Dolph Ziggler. Cena was and is a star but never a franchise player. Love your videos Jeff keep up the good work, your very knowledgeable.

[@innercirclejessetyla-dough8578]

Cena. Elevated Edge he didn’t bury Kevin Owens Even if the nexus won at summer slam they still would have been buried bray Wyatt is the fiend now even if dolph is underrated he didn’t have that main event look like cena and cena is wrestling’s last big star now shut up you smark

[@onehand-yusuf7212]

@@innercirclejessetyla-dough8578 Cena literally buried 10 guys that were involved in nexus, he buried wade under a pile of chairs and wrestlemania 30 is all ill say for bray Wyatt.

[@jordannewsom3606]

He didn't kill Bray Wyatt, Owen's, or Zigglers careers

[@LordRaptor]

I grew up during the ruthless agression era, so yeah, my Hogan/Austin and Macho Man/The Rock were Cena and Batista, but that doesn't mean that I don't acknowledge the flaws with a Cena and his stay at the top, I am a big fan of Cena, because I have very fond memories of him and moments he was a part of for years which I still like to this day, do I think he's one of the greatest of all time? not neccesarily.

[@jerryworld3656]

Hogan ratings was down too

[@RDSArcade]

Jerry Marshall Yes. Around the start of the 90's. WWE wasn't booking him to put other wrestlers over and were keeping the title on him way too long. If anything, 50/50 booking started with Hogan.

[@MegaKilerr]

Why state the obvious?

[@isaiahallen1113]

Wwe force people to know john cena people like the rock and Austin they didn't need to everyone wanted to see more of them every week

[@bronxmade8710]

Ecclesia agree 💯 you said a key word, Time, and time was why Cena is “ so call” called the franchise player.In this time there no competition as far as other wrestling companies to be a huge threat for Cena to change the business.Hogan,Austin and Rock and I agree with shleg Vince was them franchise players that drastically change the wrestling company and brought new eyes on the product, something Cena failed to do in his time.

[@al112v4]

You look at Twitter and then tell me "Why state the obvious?" It's okay if you like Cena, more than fine, but to deny what the problem is or at least take notice of it, it's just dumb. Unless you're a little kid who enjoys his crap, you just can't be that blind.

[@bdottelevision5654]

How many KZbin videos will we get saying the WWE is dying and the end is near? Is it TNA bad?? Yes everyone wants to compare the current product to the glorious Attitude Era or Golden Era with Hogan. Why not enjoy the product for what it is? All of these complaints and various videos of why the WWE sucks make being a fan THAT much harder....yes the previous eras were great but the fans also were great too. I bet back in the 90’s and early 2000’s there weren’t all of these “smarks” on KZbin telling and “manipulating” fans on who to like and how to watch the product! Thumbs down 👎

[@jerryworld3656]

SMH when I see videos like theses when you talk about Cena not being a franchise player but you talk about wrestlers like stone cold and rock or hogan

[@Battle_cry88]

Uhh jackass they were draws they put asses in the seat cena chased people away and killed people's passion

[@redchaos130]

If one wrestler killed their so called passion then it never existed in the first place.

[@jerransperarman9411]

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[@thomasrodriguez2183]

So if Brock lesnar would've stayed from 2002.2017 he would've been a franchise? I call BS because Brock lesnar didn't really put anybody over. Same with Austin. He didnt put peaple over clean. Look at 1998 he always got screwed, by Vince. He didn't put Taker he didn't mankind and when he did it was the wrong time look it summerslam 99. It was supposed to be Triple h,s time. He didn't really put Kane over really it was a lost in a first blood match. Then he got the title back the next night on raw after KOTR 98. And then we all know happened in june 02. When he gannna. Lose to lesnar he left. So yeah. Austin wasn't that franchise player either really. And Brock now. Please. He's doing the same shit over and over. Look at Samoa Joe and now recently Broun Strowman.

[@RockSolidEJV420]

Thomas Rodriguez How does putting people over make you a franchise player? You make no sense.

[@thomasrodriguez2183]

RockSolidEJV420 exactly yes I do make sense so shut up because to be a franchise player you got to act like a leader and be fair And to be a fair franchise you gotta put others over in order to get respect and her yourself more over as a top guy. See Hogan see. The rock. See undertaker Kurt Angle see Triple h. Now they wasn't franchise players. But they were in somecases. Leaders and new how to play the game. They were top guys and made the company more money,

[@WilliamElvin]

You don't make sense.

[@RockSolidEJV420]

Thomas Rodriguez Lol Being "fair" has nothing to do with being a top star. The reason why they were stars because they develop strong characters and use it to connect with fans inside the ring. The fact that you don't claim Austin as a franchise guy proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@marifrmdarose]

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[@shadowknight7750]

1st Bitches lol

[@Bearcat-MMA]

Drink It In Maaan 😂😂

[@shadowknight7750]

Drink It In Maaan Thank you for proving my point need I say more lol.