John Deere memo: Farmers have NOT won, but that won't stop the news from pretending they did.

[@FTBREACTS]

The fact that his local dealer would retaliate against the farmer for speaking out his concerns is un-American to say the least. I hope he starts recording conversation and collecting emails if this is the case here...unbelievable

[@bluephreakr]

Nah, that's American as it gets. JD Dealer has the right to not give a fuck so profits continue to be prioritized.

[@rossmanngroup]

Several people are asking for a citation for Jared's claim of threats from dealers as a result of his advocacy. Find more info here pdfhost.io/v/Zb0hoWvhX_The_Capitol_Forum this is easier for me to pin this comment than to reply to everyone asking about this individually. Also check this out for information on how John Deere has backed out of previous agreements to make resources available to farmers & technicians. publicinterestnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/WEB_USP_Deere-in-the-Headlights_V3-1.pdf Repair Preservation Group provides a lot of funding to USPIRG as an ally in helping advocate for Right to Repair around the country, and they produce amazing content like this that helps lay out the problem with citations and facts.

[@xX_Pokeman_Xx]

​@@AK0490 Worse than useless should be your username. It needs to be pointed out that the other document listed also says that ADVISOR is only available because it was leaked, not given. This is closer to stealing a wrench, but not having a manual to figure out which bolt to tighten.

[@joskevermeulen9275]

@@AK0490 So to compare your argument with lets say a car. A car owner should not be allowed to chance his brake pads because he does not have the "ABILITY" to do the revision of a care engine. People like you are the problem, only thinking about your own profits at the expense of others.

[@joskevermeulen9275]

@@AK0490 So you say Louis is lying.All software, tools, and spare parts for john deere are freely available for farmers. I'm sure all farmers in the USA will be happy with this news. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEY all farmers of usa, for ALL manual/software/tools and spare parts for john deere, please contact Useless. He will help you get freely, everybody, spread the word, useless IS THE MAN you need to contact.

[@mynameismynameyourname6197]

The strategy is to pass a lot of legislation with loopholes to calm the public rage so they can go back to business as usual.

[@yasirrakhurrafat1142]

What every major and well organized political power does . Rarely ever a problem is solved , or a solution is formed . Usually the situation is diffused with charm , political concepts , and misdirection .

[@compuguy123]

Then by God we must keep passing legislations to cover one loophole at a time

[@wolfsokaya]

Its like how the big companies "exited" Russia,but still selling their products there.

[@spacekitt.n]

politicians are so corrupt

[@VipulGaur3]

Legislations passing in America? yeah right. Forget about legislation, Congress can't even agree on the Speaker ffs.

[@AexisRai]

0:26 "Rooters, Roiters, Routers, Linksys" Lol

[@chocolatecoveredgummybears]

LOL

[@outseeker]

ahh i love this man :)

[@AexisRai]

everybody report the telegram scambot

[@7000fps]

Just Try dealing with "BOSE" on a fix-it situation. On my pilots-headset the cheap plastic earphone holder snapped in two. This should be a $10 replacement clip, they wanted me to buy an upgrade headset @ $700 ef#* k bose! Well I fixed it with $3 worth of JB weld, sanded it down painted it black ...better than new!

[@bonbonpony]

@@AexisRai I don't think it would do anything. If YT gave a damn, they would solve this problem long time ago. They certainly didn't give a damn about any of _my_ reporting attempts.

[@dotanuki3371]

I took over the family farm a couple of years ago. I live in Norway, where everything is forest and mountain, the sub-arctic growth season is short, we only have 3% arable land, and the farms are small, tiny by US/CA standards. It came with 3 JD's of various age. Funny thing is, the more fancy electronics they put in, the worse they get to use, even when everything is working. But let me just say this: My mothers father was a useless fuck, so there was nothing, and I mean NOTHING here when my father took over at age 22. He built the whole thing from scratch, into something that yielded an engineers salary by the time he retired. His accountant doesn't understand how he has been able to squeeze so much out of this farm, which is small even by local conditions. If he hadn't been able to, or allowed to, fix everything himself on his equipment, and would have needed to hire other people to do that for him, he *never would have made any money at all*.

[@jasondrummond9451]

That is the whole POINT of the Corporatocracy - to siphon large sums of money out of millions of ordinary people in order to enrich the corporate elite. The fact that it keeps ordinary people poor, and some people destitute, is of no concern to them - other than as a generator of unrest that might lead to threats to their security. But they buy Governments to deal with that.

[@rydplrs71]

It doesn’t matter where you are farming involves a a little luck with weather, and equipment ready to capitalize. The electronics aren’t as robust as they should be, but they aid a lot in the process from yield monitoring to gps driving it makes sense to large operations. Those are the outfits that want lots of new tractors, and most people that can afford new have enough acres to justify this increased results. Your father was a true local type farmer. When I grew up my area had a huge percentage of millionaires, but not high average income. It was farmers grinding away adding wealth. The tech industry and suburban sprawl have changed that, but farms are still active. My great aunt could have got millions selling to a golf course developer. She sold to a local farmer instead. She lived out her life in the house she spent 80 years in and continued tending the chickens while the new owner took care of everything else. Sheep, cows, hay….

[@dotanuki3371]

@@rydplrs71 Yeah vendors and advisors are pushing precision ag hard here. For my use, the equipment won't pay for itself, not in my lifetime. I was considering building my own GPS solution as a nerd project, but frankly, working the fields pays so badly it's simply not worth my time. I'll probably rent the land out starting next year. My pigs pay the bills, and working with animals is what I enjoy doing, not driving tractors. But I wasn't really referring to the precision ag equipment. Out of my two newest JD's, in the oldest one, everything is managed by physical knobs and switches. In the newer one, everything goes through a "command center", a menu on an LCD screen. The older solution is better and faster. But knobs cost dollars while chips cost cents, and "fancier" probably bedazzle people impressed by shiny things. Not to mention, only JD sells the command center, everyone sells knobs and switches. Both have a bi-directional 4x6 gearbox. In the old one, the 4-step gear is a physical lever. If I put the main 6-step in park and the directional lever is engaged, it pops out of engagement. In the newer one, the 4-step are push-buttons on the 6-step lever. This means the location of the 4-step control is dependent on which 6-step gear is engaged, so you have to feel for it to find it when not looking, rather than just grabbing it. Recently the protective cover for the gear buttons has worn off, so I've taken out the buttons so I don't lose them. Luckily there's another set of push buttons down by the lift arm controls. If I put the newer tractor in park while the directional lever is engaged, it doesn't pop out like the old one. What it does instead, is put up a warning on the LCD screen, and disable the gearbox. So now I have to first manually put the directional lever in neutral, then remove the message on the command center, before being able to drive again. It's so much worse to use to the point of being a complete joke, bordering on insult. On both of those, the hydraulic lift arms are controlled by a linear potmeter, basically a mixing table slider. It also has up/down push buttons, so you can lift whatever equipment is attached, and put it down again at the remembered position literally at the push of a button. That's great right? Well, on my OLDEST JD, which is pushing 50 years, the lift arms are controlled by a lever, directly attached to the valve. You can set a remembered position by merely moving a physical blocker and fixing it. I can control lifting and lowering speed by HOW FAST I MOVE MY ARM, rather than tuning a potmeter or menuing in a "command center". This is the ULTIMATE SOLUTION, best to use, fewest points of failure, easiest and cheapest to fix. I know I'm over-explaining, but that's for the passing reader who knows nothing about tractors, not to be condescending to you. I have the same problem with newer cars, they keep putting in needless garbage that serves no purpose other than being fancy and being an additional point of failure. My friend bought a "sports edition" station wagon, the back hatch has a motor so it can be closed with a button. I asked him why his "sports car" has handicap equipment, that's not what a sports car is. He didn't take it well. I'm not buying a car made after 2005.

[@jasondrummond9451]

@@ChrisWijtmans Depends where you live. Northern Norway NOTHING grows in the winter - nothing grows well while frozen solid.

[@jasondrummond9451]

@@ChrisWijtmans There is a difference between a couple of 'frost nights' and sustained minus 30 C. Also, there is another detail about Northern Norway you are missing - NO SUNLIGHT. In Northern Norway the sun goes down in late Fall and DOESN'T COME UP AGAIN - until early Spring.

[@rossmanngroup]

Several people are asking for a citation for Jared's claim of threats from dealers as a result of his advocacy. Find more info here pdfhost.io/v/Zb0hoWvhX_The_Capitol_Forum this is easier for me to pin this comment than to reply to everyone asking about this individually. Also check this out for information on how John Deere has backed out of previous agreements to make resources available to farmers & technicians. publicinterestnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/WEB_USP_Deere-in-the-Headlights_V3-1.pdf Repair Preservation Group provides a lot of funding to USPIRG as an ally in helping advocate for Right to Repair around the country, and they produce amazing content like this that helps lay out the problem with citations and facts.

[@seasickleader1142]

I was struck by your quote at the end which seems to be an apt summary of this: "The only thing worse than being pissed on is when everybody else thinks it's just raining."

[@DudeSoWin]

"A Statistical Idiocracy maintenance routine (Authoritarianism) does not hold the Traditions to secure their supply lines. So John Deere is a puppet by those supplying the raw materials. Why not propose legislative piracy? And take their shit from them outright. You see that is why Louis is still allowed to upload videos here." If its good for the suppliers, people, government why are we not proposing the most volatile of solutions?

[@independentthinker4881]

To be clear... Helping the Farmers is actually Helping ourselves. I don't know about anyone else but I suck at gardening and I 100% rely on farmers/ranchers work to produce the the food that my family and I eat.

[@elenabob4953]

Have you read what they are doing in US? They are "teaching" farmers to produce half because one part of the year is for growing food and the other is to grow crops that aren't eatable but that bring you CO2 credits. It is literally evil and insane.

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

Yes, think about it. If a farmer is having to pay John Deer 70k ever few months for repairs that could be done for a fraction of the cost, that cost is getting passed on in the products we consume.

[@dotanuki3371]

@@Ryan_DeWitt independent farmers have no negotiating power and no say in price. they take what they get and eat increasing costs until they go belly up JD could be the friendliest company in the world and farmers would still be fucked. why do you think the average US farmer's age is 61? no recruitment, because there's no future in it, just being squeezed to death

[@independentthinker4881]

@@elenabob4953 The US is tame compared to other countries around the world... Should look into the Dutch Farmer Revolt and others. www.youtube.com/@FactsMatterRoman/search?query=Farmer

[@troiscaniche4937]

Amen

[@shannonclarke3691]

The older I get the more convinced I become that we need to break these corporations into a billion tiny pieces. The power they have through lobbing has led to repeated regulatory entrapment which shows that they are a cancer to this nations people. Don't destroy them but instead break them up into small companies and change the laws regarding their ability to use money as speech.

[@NealCamerlengo]

Sadly, we have too many too big to fail people in charge.

[@atzgfq23]

might as well ask for something more realistic so what color dragon you want? i like blue.

[@cassandrasinclair8722]

That is a feature of capitalism! How dare you want to intervene!

[@personaldronerepair6141]

The US government did just that back in the 70's. Ma Bell was reduced to Southern Bell back when I was a kid. Even as a kid that caught my attention. As an adult my attention is now drawn to the question of how in the world have we already learned these lessons and yet, here we are. Not only is the lack of governance hard to swallow, we all carry a device that is directly linked to every bit of info that we can store on hard drive and yet this generation cannot be bothered to use it for anything other than entertainment. Not an attempt to insult anyone who enjoys there mobile device for more than just a phone and information. Just cannot help feel as though we are supposed to be getting smarter but the opposite seems to playing out in real time. One could debate that my issue is merely perspective. As I age I may be getting smarter due to what I have learned in my time here. Could just be that ma bran muffin hasn't kicked in yet.🤔

[@jasondrummond9451]

@@cassandrasinclair8722 And if you try .... like the Democracy protests in New York - you wind up in jail on manufactured charges. Big Money has us by the balls.

[@tomweekes470]

So you can fix your tractor as long as the part you fix is not part of it.

[@c99kfm]

US farmers need to take a lesson from French farmers on how to protest against corrupt politicians.

[@picblick]

Or the Dutch.

[@heytheresakitty]

Wait what happened? Give me the tldr? Or I'll read if you wanna type

[@mikintana]

For sure!

[@mitchellwodach2215]

@Heavy Metal Pulp French people are arrogant that's why. Jk lol

[@TheMetalButcher]

@@heytheresakitty Heads rolled.

[@pompshuffle562]

i saw the article and immediately went here

[@elenabob4953]

Our trusted sources of informations regarding this topic.

[@GM-dv1db]

Thanks Louis, America is better because of you. From a Wisconsin dairy farmer.

[@jerwong]

We should be clear on what an MOU is. A Memorandum of Understanding is a non-binding agreement with no legal teeth for enforcement. John Deere can promise all they want in an MOU, but nothing stops them from simply ignoring its promises.

[@Davidson762]

MOU's can be legally binding depending on how they're drafted and structured (intentionally or not). Going to assume that John Deere has not done so here though...

[@jerwong]

@@Davidson762 No they are not. By definition they are not. You are thinking of an MOA, a Memorandum of Agreement, which is legally binding.

[@Davidson762]

@@jerwong if the requirements of a contract are met MOU's can be legally enforceable.

[@ArtyomGalstyan]

Memorandum of undermining

[@jerwong]

@@Davidson762 if they were legally binding, then they would be an MOA which is not what Deere has agreed to

[@jd3802]

Wilson - "I've been threatened by my local dealership that they wouldn't provide me parts and service because I was creating drama through my legislative efforts..." John Deere is a disgusting company.

[@Sound557]

Reddit immediately started celebrating when the articles got posted. Not one person actually read them.

[@huntermccoy7641]

Reddit is mostly title readers

[@rossmanngroup]

There were lots of skeptical people. People who didn't realize it was a PR stunt are just people who aren't specialized in the field. I do not blame normal people for not understanding it. I blame a lot of the news for not speaking to people from USPirg, repair.org, or actual farmers before publishing crap with misleading titles.

[@mynameismynameyourname6197]

Most people on Reddit are not what if call the cutting edge of critical thinking.

[@somedudeRyan]

"the only thing worse than being pissed on, is when everyone else just things it's raining." L. Rossmann 2023

[@PsRohrbaugh]

We did it, Reddit! 🙃🙃

[@sujanaryal833]

Farmers should start selling their food to people in subscriptions for safety reasons. What if someone choked on a vegetable. Everyone who prepares food from farmers products needs to pay the subscription fee to be able to cook it and an additional fee is required if they want to consume it.

[@havenbastion]

Make sure you only heat it on John Deere stoves!

[@derbagger22]

This guy is incredibly intelligent and well spoken.

[@rossmanngroup]

Tell me about it!

[@yipperdeyip]

Had to scroll very long to find a comment on this! Very well spoken gentleman. I admit, I'm only here for Louis and mostly kinda skip a lot of interviews and such, but glad I stook around for this one. Important topic clarified in a very intelligent way!

[@drayne3750]

I just purchased a new tractor for my homestead. I specifically avoided John Deere for their BS and bought a Yanmar tractor. Fun Fact: Yanmar makes the engines and transmission for John Deere tractors. John Deere is just green paint.

[@grimm00002]

John Deere is basically non-existent in SEA. We have Kubota and Yanmar.

[@Teaspun]

Louis you've matured by leaps and bounds over the years I've been watching you. You could easily go toe to toe as an interviewer vs any of the so called journalists who write on this subject. Keep up the great work.

[@partciudgam8478]

correction, he could beat the crap out of a couple dozen shill journalists, and then debate on with the ones that are knowledgeable (and play dumb corporate drone).

[@EitanTsur]

An idea: Crowdsource your own repair database; a given failure code results in replacing of specific parts. Build a website that you can submit your repair history to; won't be very useful initially, but given enough time and input, you decode what John Deere is unwilling to provide. There's a lot more steps one can go than this, but this one is super simple and easy to set up.

[@SherrifOfNottingham]

This is essentially what Louis Rossman does for Apple, but it doesn't really solve the lack of replacement parts or the operating systems of the phones (and subsequently in their case tractors) that reject replacement parts that aren't installed with the key held by the manufacturer. So yeah it CAN be a way to get around some of the issues, but not all of them. Plus making a bootleg tool to get more specific error codes might be a challenge, and it doesn't really solve the fact that John Deere can at any time start renaming error codes to mess up this system.

[@phonephonerson]

@@SherrifOfNottingham yeah, but if you don't try, you won't suceed. User created content is often the way to go. If people can clone key fobs in newer cars, I am sure someone can clone the needed encryption keys from JD as well. Their product is already overpriced to begin with so not like their will be much of a will to out the hacker if they keep their identity hidden.

[@partciudgam8478]

As happened with the one wheel skateboards that Louis covered a while ago, the company started suing the sh*t out of another company that produced parts that allowed you to repair their boards, arguing it was for users' safety (as if moving on a one wheeled vehicle was safe) this one wheel things had their own authorized reapair workshop in the USA, shipped worldwide (liying about the battery to get cheap UPS delivery) and charged your kidneys and left ball, to change a couple sensors and a battery.

[@MsUltrafox]

John Deere "Ok, I'll let you repair your own tractors, BUT, I have a few stipulations before you can do that" Next, they list a long list of rules that no human can ever fulfill.

[@JoshuaSelvidge89]

It's only a 6 page document. I don't see or hear any cogent arguments based in the actual text of the MOU.

[@ArsenGaming]

@@JoshuaSelvidge89 How about the fact that it's an MOU? John Deere doesn't have to follow it. It's quite literally useless and cannot be enforced in any way, shape or form, even if the text was any good.

[@seniorchonkza997]

Gee, it's almost as if journalism has been deducted to how many clicks you can get in 24 hours

[@Steve_Kassiotis]

JD - you can fix everything not connected to the computer Farmers - yeah but everything is controlled by the computer JD - 🤷‍♂️👉💸

[@ZeonArtemis]

Saw the fanfare on reddit and was immediately awaiting your video on it.

[@scottg7321]

While it seems like the farmer is asking the failure rates of each parts (which john deere will probably say provides too much information) the farmer is actually asking for is dtac which he describes as a list of each part ordered by failure rate (highest to lowest) and not the actual failure rates. John Deere doesn't even need to provide dtac or the failure rates and just needs to provide a list of each part ordered by failure rate (highest to lowest) that could omit the failure rate. edit: see chris farmers reply below

[@chrisfarmer4397]

DTAC is more than just each part by failure rate. When a mechanic at our local shop diagnoses a break down they are supposed to report back to the manufacturer what symptoms happened (codes and physical signs) and how they determined what failed. You used to be able to get 600 page repair books for series or specific models of equipment, now they are kept on the cloud and constantly updated via DTAC and accessed via dealer proprietary software/hardware. (We had a tractor whos transmission went into limp mode, then it locked out and wouldn't start, because of a sensor in the drivers seat failed and the shop and DTAC equivalent had never seen it so it took 3 weeks to fix.)

[@kylekuntz5302]

@@chrisfarmer4397 , so a code didn't come up for the seat sensor? My 9320 brings up a code if the seat presence switch goes out. If yours doesn't it seems that's a shortcoming in software.

[@chrisfarmer4397]

@Kyle Kuntz I'm not sure exactly but no code displayed for us, I know with this tractor the safeties don't engage until you sit down in the seat. So I can start it, turn on the pto, use hydraulics, and move it from the jump seat, but once I sit in the operators seat I have to stay in it for the transmission to keep moving and hit the override for the pto if i get up.

[@Psi105]

For John Deere to push this through the news there must be farmers who are saying this is good. Need to dig into who there farmers are because there's probably a story there. Those farmers are likely closly linked to John Deere. It would be interesting to see if those farmers have suddenly got shiny new John Deere equipment.

[@andrewk8636]

It's the shareholders, not the farmers

[@jasondrummond9451]

@@tellucas You'd be surprised at just how much 'news' is just pre-paid corporate propaganda. Newspapers have to keep afloat somehow ...

[@arontsang]

Of course. Astroturf doesn't grow by itself!

[@d1fballplayer]

Thought it was interesting the guy mentioned the average age of us farmers was 61!... thats scary and very telling... most just probably havent a clue unless they have been forced to buy new recently

[@TheStevenWhiting]

I watch Farm Sim Guy, sadly, it appears people like him are becoming shills for JD. He's been to a show in London, I pointed out the issue of supporting a company against Right to Repair but he said "its been resolved and won". If people like that are spreading that shit, then it doesn't help the case.

[@drathonix9930]

I heard this on NPR the other day with my family. They were making it out like this was forcing JD to comply. I knew you'd think differently.

[@rossmanngroup]

this is a voluntary memo from john deere that has numerous cutouts for every possible case. imagine if NPR had spoken to a farmer :(

[@drathonix9930]

@@rossmanngroup I didn't ever hear the word "Memorandum of Understanding" until the NPR report. I could very easily tell that it was voluntary and therefore completely useless. Journalists really need better reading comprehension, its a shame JD's plan is working. Wish they spoke to an actual farmer and not a massive corporation's PR team.

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

@@drathonix9930 Companies like JD pour money into lobbying and PR. A lot of this money will find it's way to "reliable" journalists who will report what they are told to report. Reading comprehension doesn't really have anything to do with it. And when you see a talking head in a news piece you can feel sure that they are reading from a script with questions that has been prescreened for any potential controversial issues. These "reporters" are very rarely doing any investigative reporting but relying on the scripts they are provided. The are the face of the news, and most probably never see a cent coming directly from JD or whatever company are paying to the news piece. Occasionally one of them goes of the script and the charade falls apart, but that usually ends with them being canned and off the air at least for a while as they are chastised for breaking programming. No I'm not bitter...

[@d-rot]

NPR is controlled opposition.

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

It smelled like Deerecrap to me

[@urbanplanner7200]

Maybe the farm bureau is controlled opposition like the PTA.

[@TheSimba86]

Stuff like this is why the farmer down the road from me didn't buy a john deere when he needed a new one

[@tysoni4940]

I'm no farmer, but you'll have to pry my 1981 Ford 6600 from my cold dead fingers. It's bulletproof and it's just an engine strapped to metal and rubber.

[@FairEmma]

Techdirt gets it and isn't calling it a win. See (aka search on) Karl Bode, "John Deere Once Again Pinky Swears It Will Stop Monopolizing Repair."

[@chefcc90]

Congratulations!! The status quo has remained the same

[@rapids444]

My friend sent me an article from CNN yesterday on this. I called immediate BS on it.... glad my instincts were spot on to see it for exactly what it was. John Deere trying to look good and stop lawsuits because they can point at it and claim they did something.

[@jimcarriesa1911]

Need to get a group of hackers to get together and help free these farmers as an exercise of can it be done. Not just Deere but others as well.

[@krz8888888]

Now that's a farmer!

[@PlanetFrosty]

We need a new monopoly law which defines blocking “Right to Repair” as monopolistic practice.

[@ArsenGaming]

So that the government can avoid enforcing it just like current monopoly law?

[@jessicav2031]

"You can only fix complex stuff by guessing at the most likely cause by statistics" is the same as "replacing SMD components is not possible because it takes too much labor". Both are completely incorrect. Real diagnosis just takes more knowledge of the theory of operation than the manufacturer wants you to know. They want you to make a blind guess and replace a multi-thousand dollar module. Gee, I wonder why.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

Emissions equipment is an unsolvable issue. The equipment costs thousands of dollars, is fragile, and reduces performance. The engine will run BETTER if you remove it, so the federal government mandates that the computer disable the entire machine if the emissions equipment is missing or broken.

[@irae9]

If the parts degrade performance by a notable amount, then they likely do not provide any actual benefits anyways. What's the point of reducing your emission rate by half if you now have to run it twice as long to accomplish the same task? At that point, all you've accomplished is inconveniencing the user. It's like running your tap at a lower setting "to reduce water usage" when you're trying to fill a pot - you're still gonna end up using the same amount of water; the only difference is how long it takes. If you want to ACTUALLY reduce overall emissions, you need a solution based off overall efficiency, not the "rate" of emission. Eg look at how much emissions get released from actually completing a given task. If you look at it that way, than "emissions equipment" should not need to degrade performance..because degraded performance just means you must run it longer to accomplish the same thing, thereby increasing emissions again. Focus on actual efficiency - making sure that more of an engine's fuel gets burned cleanly(which btw would improve the performance...), and more efficient usage of the energy produced(eg lighter vehicle = can move faster with the same amount of energy).

[@CrisEdmundson]

Absolutely love to see a guest brought on to discuss the problem from a knowledgeable perspective. Excellent video and I'm glad you're creating a platform for affected parties to be clear with the public about the issues affecting them

[@lawyer1165]

Hey, Louis, if you’re concerned about misleading reports in the news media, you should take a deep dive into the ownership of the news media in the good, old USA. By news media, I’m referring to television and radio stations, cable TV companies, newspapers, and magazines. You can add social media companies, too, if you’re feeling a bit uppity. When I was young, federal rules prevented the concentration of media ownership at least as far as television and radio stations were concerned. That started to change under Ronald Reagan.

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

Yeah those guts to limits on ownership of new media even going so far as radio really deepened the divide on accurate information when you have Murdoch media & Sinclair Broadcasting to name 2, having near monopolistic ability to regulate what is spoken about from centrally mainstream sources. You can still find decent info in those areas sometimes, but you have to cross reference it so many times with other sources to find the message usually

[@tom5505]

Pet. The. Cat.

[@mrvirusgr]

Here in Greece if a tractor breaks and you need to repair it simple you go buy the part whatever part it is and you fix it your self also here we have old tractors with out computers and staff and they work great.

[@freecycling6687]

Great video Louis! You nailed it on the head. As your guest indicated, this "Memorandum of Understanding" is total malarkey, designed *solely* to make it appear that Deere is doing something on right to repair, when the reality is it changes nothing. I'd recommend every check out the article at Farm-Equipment called "NAEDA Comments on John Deere Right to Repair MOU". Check out these lines from paragraphs 3 & 4: "This does not indicate a departure from the current supply chain model and reflects the existing state of market availability and pricing. The overall purpose of the MOU is to provide a private sector solution to Right to Repair rather than a legislative or regulatory mandate. The AFBF states their commitment to not pursue legislation and encourages state Farm Bureaus to not support Right to Repair legislation as well."

[@VGMoose]

A friend sent me an article on this and I scanned it for any specific legislation, or in which state it happened and saw nothing. I said this is probably fake and a new Louis Rossman video will explain why. And here we are!

[@michaelladue5655]

Going to try and attend the Washington state Roanoke convention at the end of the month, any ideas on name or people of interest I should look for and try and spread the word on the importance of right to repair?

[@kruskotv1311]

"The only thing worse than being pissed on is when everybody else thinks it's just raining" , holy mother of lord this is some Socrates level quote, wauuu, I'm actually stunned by how accurate this is

[@MrSamPhoenix]

I’m surprised companies are allowed to do this. It reminds me of how Ferrari limits how owners paint or even represent the cars smh.

[@Cylonknight]

I saw some info about that. If I had the money I'd buy one and make it the ugliest thing on this planet to spite them.

[@PsRohrbaugh]

It's almost like media are large corporations with the same corporate interests as other large corporations. We're on one team, they're on another.

[@bradhaines3142]

@@Cylonknight i wonder if you could buy an old blown up one from a junkyard just to throw a chevy small block in it and some cheap after market mods

[@PsRohrbaugh]

@@bradhaines3142 Depends on what you're trying to do. There are lots of different pieces of farming equipment depending on the crops and scale of the operation.

[@SkylineFTW97]

@@bradhaines3142 I'd go even further as a fuck you. Turbocharged K24.

[@xNaxdy]

15:30 Louis' chuckle when he realizes his cursor has been penetrating that poor man's temple for the majority of the interview, knowing his audience will relentlessly comment "move cursor pls", is godlike.

[@1010tesla]

Why do farmers continue to buy John Deere? There must be an answer that I am unaware of. Has John Deere monopolized this market and there are no other manufactures that produce this equipment?

[@xenonbart5526]

the fact that a RIGHT to something in America is so contentious for people is really crazy to me

[@MapleMan1984]

everywhere else is worse, excluding third world shitholes

[@tissuepaper9962]

It's not contentious at all, you can talk to basically any person on the street and after maybe five minutes of clarification they will be a R2R supporter if they weren't already. Right to repair wins in the polls and it wins in the legislature, as we just saw in New York. Where it can't win is in the lobby, and corporate lobbyists are unfortunately the only people being represented by our government at the present juncture.

[@st_us]

Why am I not surprized??

[@billkosses3808]

Ah, f*ck

[@seeibe]

,here we go again.

[@tehKap0w]

I was at the capital the day Louis was testifying in my state but didn't know he was there, otherwise i'd have attempted to thank him in person for all his hard work on this issue. Thanks, Louis!

[@MeowThingy]

The failure rates are private and Deere just throws parts at it without knowing the actual issue? That sounds to me like planned obsolescence and fraud, at the very least.

[@Firemanharv]

John Deere has always been a PR company that happened to make tractors. They have been behind in technology for most of the time they have been around and get business through really good PR campaigns and financing anyone with a pulse.

[@JackCarsonite]

Mark my words: the MOU will be a 20 year class action pain in the rear. It'll take 3-5 years for people to get damaged, those salt factories will sue and it'll take 3-5 years. Appeal's will be 7-10 and payouts cents on the dollars.

[@NiCadHeliPilot]

I saw that news article this morning about "farmers won the right to repair their John Deere tractors" & I thought to myself "Nah. There is more to this than what I am seeing here at face value. There is no way it could be over in a flash, like that. No way, at all." ...&... sure enough... it's another smokescreen, as you have pointed out. Keep up the good work, Louis. Kia ora, from New Zealand. =^/.^=

[@GrifFungin]

Here’s the way you deal with John Deere, you gather the entire JD purchaser base and as a group, you demand they give you the tools to repair YOUR tractors or as a group you will never purchase JD again. Yeah, I realize everyone will say that it’s not possible to get everyone on the same page, but if you can get them all on the same page, it would work.

[@Holycurative9610]

It would work but will never happen for the same reason nothing ever happens if it involves getting any more than 100 people singing from the same hymn sheet. Nobody cares enough is the simple answer apart from people like Louis or someone, like myself, who has had a cease and desist from a well known computer maker because I dared to repair their shoddy products. How do you take on trillion dollar corporations with lemonade money, you can't, unless, like you said, everyone votes with their feet and doesn't buy from them ever again. The farmer on here also said that there are a lot of farmers in hock to JD for equipment loans or farm loans who would lose everything by doing the very things you and I would advocate. JD get you all ways!!!!

[@stellviahohenheim]

watch the video numbnuts

[@bhushanharripersad5716]

The memo might be hot air, but it's release soon after the NY bill passed and the media rightfully for once pointing out the impotence of said bill means they're scared. If they're scared then that means you're on the right track, don't give up Louis.

[@js4120]

Most of the time when I'm willing to pay deere to come out they are too busy. They don't have enough techs to keep up with the workload anyway.

[@modernhaze3]

I was awaiting for this video, i always knew they will never let them get the right to repair

[@Macintosh007]

These journalists must be paid by the lobbyists.

[@bluephreakr]

Farmers don't let their friends do Deere. But no in all seriousness this is what I am on about when I say open-source is the spine we need to give R2R some backbone because farmers should be able to retrofit older tractors to bring them kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

[@nathanmielke1977]

So I'm a farmer. I have older equipment (early 2000s). We own 2 Agco (Caterpillar) 855/865 equipment. (Agco chassis Cat motors) They use specific software to access the diagnostic ECM (Electronic Control Modules) on the tractor. The tractors have a half dozen ECMs that control all parts of the system. My father and I had to buy an overseas computer with grey-market software in order to properly diagnose and install a PTO (Power-Take-Off) kit. These software interfaces to the ECMs on the machine are impossible to buy domestically. We paid over $1500 with import duties and hassle to get grey-market controllers. If we had to pay the dealers to come and do these diagnostics it would've cost well over $4500 with time and travel expenses, and we'd still not have in-house repair/diagnostic equipment. This is the struggle that farmers deal with, we just want to be able to buy the tools to fix our machines. The solution is in the name.... we would like to have the Right-To-Repair our own equipment. We don't want to create our own machines to directly compete with these manufactures, we don't want to ruin our machines. We just want to be able to fix a problem when these machines break down. Because everything breaks down. And farmers just want to fix things. You're welcome. We grow your food.

[@BetterBiomedChannel]

I did a video on this yesterday. I'm skeptical from the start.

[@cielazul713]

Journos be like: "Aw sweet, yet another opportunity to promote corporate interests even harder while gaslighting our readers!"

[@Billy_Rizzle]

I saw that BBC article & was wondering when you were going to correct the record

[@weignerg]

Louis, KZbin seems to have removed my comment advocating people submit complains to news outlets. Can you help direct people to spread the word in a more organized fashion?

[@jadesluv]

Louis: what about other manufactures of farm equipment, such as CASE, can the farmers do their own repairs on this equipment?

[@Onihikage]

7:50 Another threat present in this model of "only JD knows what these error codes mean" is that if JD's server room catches on fire or suffers a "technical glitch" (wink wink), that data is gone and now suddenly all the tractors have become much harder to fix. If a hostile nation wanted to do serious damage to a large portion of the farming industry, they don't have to go after all the farms, they just have to infiltrate John Deere servers, wipe all the data and backups, burn down the offsite backups (if they even exist) and wait a few months. This is the key problem with the corporate consolidation that is so rampant in modern society, it creates single points of failure all along the supply chain, creating opportunities for price gouging and grift every time something goes wrong. If John Deere gets hit by targeted malware, people starve. If workers at one shipping company go on strike, people starve. If there's a pandemic, people starve. This wouldn't happen if there was a healthy, competitive market with multiple owners all trying to compete for customers. Healthy, competitive markets are not what corporatists want, however. They don't want to compete for a slice of the market, they want the whole market to themselves! If they can't push their peers out of business, they'll buy them outright, and we've been letting them do it ever since Reagan came along.

[@m.a.l.s5793]

Not to be critical of my peers, but that's one thing that's really bugging me. We don't seem to have the interest, the passion, the drive, from people in the electronics repair industry that's in the automotive industry. Automotive got R2R passed, yes, it's being fought in court still, but it was passed. How was it passed? It was passed because the people in that field fought for it. How many electronic repair shops have fought for it? Come on guys, it's great to say you want something, but there comes a time where you have to put your money where your mouth is. Everyone says they want this, but when it comes to actually acting on it all you see is crickets.... As the saying goes, put up or shut up!

[@4MRanch]

Another problem is even if you can repair your own equipment the diagnostic tools you need for this new equipment is so expensive you can’t really afford it. Then if you can buy it they charge you a subscription fee to access the software for big bucks.

[@scratchpenny]

Haha. He also became incredibly well-spoken for a college dropout.

[@bradhaines3142]

maybe there should be a way to fund companies that sell entirely on the principle of not having these problems.

[@mrgg2509]

Good on you for taking this fight. But aren't there other brands not acting this way? Hit them where it hurts and buy another brand.

[@bobp4036]

They are just going to gaslight the hell out of the public and move along.

[@Quayleman]

Farm KZbinr don't ever mention anything

[@xiaowong6651]

15:40 breaking: farmer stands up to John Deere Mafia

[@virtusetglorie]

Linksys

[@PashPaw]

My dad, someone who grew up on a farm and repaired farm equipment (now a retired mechanical engineer), was livid that John Deere made it impossible to repair their machinery. From my understanding, it's damaging to their livelihood because time is money and it's time lost. They need to be able to repair their equipment. It's greed and antithetical to how farmers think.

[@xpyr]

When I first saw a news article claiming that farmers had won right to repair, I looked up with a memorandum of understanding meant. It's equivalent to a letter of intent. It's also not legally binding. Then I saw the ability to limit what repairs were allowed due to safety, security, and intellectual property, and knew this was a smoke screen. Then with learning that they had done the same thing in California in 2018, with nothing to come out of it still. It's nothing but a stall tactic to me.

[@partciudgam8478]

Each day it becomes closer and closer to Brazil The Movie... We should start Learning how to plug wastewater to A/C lines...

[@partciudgam8478]

just to give it the reference... kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIPJoHyvrZ1-nLc

[@RMJ1984]

Hopefully rumors are true, that Louis will be opening a tractor repair shop next week!. Can't wait to see all them happy Farmer Joe's on stream.

[@IMagnus123123123]

tesla needs to get into making farm equipment

[@JassZoigel]

I was Louis, let's turn that around eh

[@King_Cola]

Truly, a war time tractor! Oh wait..

[@shellderp]

I saw these headlines and my first thought was I'm not believing this until I hear Louis's take

[@rossmanngroup]

Don't trust me, believe the farmers. The farmers... the people most of the news outlets didn't speak to before releasing their work.

[@mike4157]

If there are available resources, it may be beneficial to expand the scope of advocacy to include recognition of companies that support right to repair. If these companies have more support, their existence in the market could provide competition and pressure for other companies to change their policies. Thanks for your hard work to provide right to repair information to the community.

[@robmorgan1214]

Time for an open source tractor!

[@freecycling6687]

Check out Summit Tractors. They publish their service manuals on their website with free download. They'll even send parts to the owner under warranty for the owner to install himself, if the owner wants to do it that way. If you call a Deere dealer and say "my left headlight is out" they'll say "bring it in, there's a two-month wait for service."

[@dwightmanne]

Simple question. I doubt that they do this same nonsense in China. How feasible is it to import either the software from China or parts or even whole equipment from china?

[@RegularCupOfJoe]

Clinton f-ing teleporting again!!!

[@boltinabottle6307]

I'm only here for the cat. Hope you're okay with that!

[@aracon9721]

dang it! even LMG fell for it!

[@latimer442]

I've been trying to keep up with this, and looked up the legal barriers stopping repair. The legal issue (to my layman brain) prevents altering or circumventing the program. Is there also a legal barrier to outright replacing all the software with a 3rd party software? Based on your last video, some of the stuff is open source software anyway, so it should be compatible. Provided, of course, someone has the time and/or money to get new code. I understand it would be a massive undertaking, but is deletion and replacement in any way viable?

[@JoshuaSelvidge89]

What i don't understand is why farmers need to modify the engine ROM? If you are allowed access to the tools, software, and data, why are you unable to fix anything? This video hasn't even addressed that question.

[@Shotblur]

@@JoshuaSelvidge89 Because the ROM shuts down the entire system if you perform any unauthorized changes or install unauthorized parts.

[@Shotblur]

People have tried and been sued into oblivion. The legal obstacle is an expensive protracted court battle that you stand a significant chance of losing because the lawyers involved are very good at making the case that copyright protections prevent this kind of software modification. Emulators were subject to this until they did it to someone with the money to fight it and win.

[@latimer442]

@@Shotblur So basically it isn't a legal barrier, so much is they will swing a hammer made of money at your face until you submit. This whole thing is nuts. I understand voiding a warranty if you tamper, but they need to butt out if people want to adjust, modify, or examine their own equipment.

[@ArsenGaming]

The problem with replacing the firmware and/or software is the fact that you'd first have to make a compatible program that can actually operate the equipment in the same way as the original. To do that, you need to reverse engineer John Deere's program, and to do that, you'd need the program itself. Even if you could read the data off of the ROM, and I bet it would erase itself if you tried, it would be such a monumental effort that would cost such insane amounts of money and take so long, that John Deere could easily just change the functionality of the program in the middle of the process and force you to start over again. Even if this didn't happen, it would be decades before the reverse-engineered version reached feature parity with the original. This type of stuff happens constantly in the Linux space. Since most manufacturers care about profits too much to make good Linux drivers for their hardware, we often have to create our own by reverse engineering their drivers. For example, the NVIDIA GPU drivers for Linux. The official ones are really, really bad. They crash constantly, they break whenever you update them, they are very difficult to configure, and they just outright don't work properly on modern Linux installations using Wayland. There is a reverse-engineered open-source alternative driver called Nouveau. This driver is included in Linux. It does work, you can get an output on your display, but because it had to be reverse engineered and doing so takes time, it only provides around 30% of the performance of the horrible original drivers currently, unless you're using an old card that's obsolete already. Same situation would happen here.

[@jonathanturner2433]

Stop buying john deere

[@sr_o3094]

All my homies hate John Deere

[@justinhaller2055]

Isn't there another brand other then Deer? Does another brand offer right to repair?

[@asrr62]

no they are a monopoly.

[@justinhaller2055]

@@asrr62 bummer.

[@RealWorldReview]

This makes me question why people even want to spend money on John Deere if it is extremely common for their parts to fail???

[@LA-MJ]

*surprised Pikachu face*

[@holdinweight]

Ok so.. I've seen maybe 2 of Louis' other videos...randomly and not even searching the topic he was speaking on.. he was so articulate and spot on with what he was talking about I watched the whole video..I walked away educated. Never subbed.. (I know I suck). Fast forward to today.. I've never owned a tractor or a John Deere product at all.. This comes up in my KZbin feed. I'm like hey I know that guy's face. I press play on the video.. And I literally watched the whole video about something that has NOTHING to do with me just because this guy is so engaging. I literally just subbed...

[@js4120]

I'm glad my 9860 is easy to diagnose it breaks down all the time.