John Deere s680 combine will not move

[@35RSkyline]

I'm a milwaukee man myself. Hard to beat. I know I'd love your job. Awesome.

[@PowerStrokeJude]

Thats what I miss about working at a dealership, working on the same models enough that you know what to look for when its an intermittent concern thats not setting off any codes or lights, a lot of the time you can diag off of a concern alone. Great video dude!

[@ZKMasterTech]

Yeah there are a lot of times when I'm talking to the customer on the phone and I'm like, I know exactly what that is!

[@masterpipelayer860]

Appreciate the valuable repair technology that you share on your channel. Your willingness to share has been a “crop saver” for many farmers that just need to keep rolling. That being said, what some don’t realize is that the clock starts as soon as the service truck is on the road. (Plus Mileage) Please be patient with your service technician, as it may sometimes take more than one trip back to the dealership for parts.That being said, there are almost always interlocks that can be bypassed temporarily to get you to your farm shop, or get the machine off the highway. Don’t be afraid to ask the service tech nicely and respectfully. By the way, the dealer, John Deere, Case, Agco or whoever, will charge you no less than $ 150/hr. John Deere around $ 165/hr. Point is, show some respect for the technician . A simple act of kindness , may save you thousands of dollars in the end.

[@Ms_Cindy88]

We love our WyoTech Alumni! Keep up the good work!!

[@boyuncle3704]

That last statement you said is so true and yet so frustrating. “If I didn’t know about this issue I would of been chasing it for ages” Damn right. Some people would be out there checking pump pressures, e-stops an everything. Like you don’t know what you don’t know an a 1hr fix can turn into a 3 day ordeal. Luckily for me I havnt got that far 14 years in the trade but it will happen I put my Bottom dolla on it

[@donalddehaven3229]

That’s amazing that a turn signal malfunction would do that. A thirty dollar part prevents a very expensive machinery from moving. Love the channel. Love the education you bring

[@Mike56073]

Try more like $450.

[@nzcyclone]

I am sure the farmers would love it if the part was only $30, in fact I would imagine they would be dancing around happy as. But, the reality is parts for any brand not just JD is expensive..... even the tires are not cheap. The cost of parts is a reflection in the high cost of the purchase price and what is the purchase price of a combine? $500,000 upwards? For some of the larger ones I would guess they are approaching $1 Million. The teeth even on the header..... even if they were $10 a set how many sets are on a normal header??? High Machinery purchase costs for farmers most in the city do not realise that. High running costs and high maintenance costs. Eg for an average farm how much fuel a year would they go through??? I would imagine that amount is staggeringly high. And that is just the fuel cost....

[@johngeiselbreth8397]

bet its more like 300 dollars

[@Mike56073]

Part #AXE60127, Module. List price $451.12

[@johnlemmey7698]

The manufacture who comes up with a friendly computer system for there machines will win.

[@chenderson4969]

Could imagine how long it took the first bloke to come across that issue! Awesome work

[@itnotjustfreestyle09]

Dude you are a life saver 🎉

[@الهندسةالزراعيه]

Thanks for sharing these valuable information

[@vbarbee1]

I graduated from Wyotech in Laramie in December 2004

[@robertreznik9330]

Combine keep getting more complex. I had a new 9600 that stopped moving. There was a lever on the hydro pump from a rod from the cab. I put in a cotter pin and was going again. JD has done so much in the last 30 years to copulate life!

[@davesawyer497]

I take it that this part communicates with the machine using a field bus system? CANBUS or LINBUS, something like that? If the bad unit is messing with the BUS then all manor of system wide failures are likely. Brilliant spot from experience. You earned your wage that day.

[@MegaGeorge1948]

Wyotech took over my trade school, East Coast Aero Tech, an Airframe & Power plant mechanic school in Lexington, Massachusetts.

[@rufinohernandez5514]

Do you know why the drum of the header sometimes doesn't spinning?

[@tiorafa3234]

Hey how are you doin, I have a 9870 prodrive that wont drive or backup what could be the problem?

[@BRPFan]

Wow unreal!!

[@andybonneau9209]

This equipment has followed cars and trucks, becoming highly networked. Investing in a potable scope to check the network has to be part of a modern techs toolkit.

[@jonathanwest6763]

How big of a job is it to replace the hydrostat on a Jd 7720 Turbo?

[@claudreindl7275]

I suppose that a faulty seat massage motor would shut the entire system down then. Seems logical given the turn signal issue.

[@travelinman70]

especially problematic with the female massage unit that prevents mid-field hysteria.

[@shovelguggelheim8454]

Got to love how "Turn Signal Lever" = SCL. Would have thought that TSL would make more sense.

[@ZKMasterTech]

Selectable control lever

[@farmingnodak]

It's about like job titles and such nowadays... have to make it sound as "sophisticated and educated" as possible. Good video as usual... wish more techs from all brands would do this more.

[@samrugtiv3839]

Well done

[@krakenwoodfloorservicemcma5975]

Working on locomotives that use a multiplex system, the computer is flashing a bunch of inputs thru one channel. The craziest shit can happen. Very similar to this. Problem is that one channel uses 26 inputs so you really have to go digging on the circuitry.

[@michaelrust7614]

So, was it just a lucky timing issue with power washing machine or was there a tie in to the 2 events 🤔

[@deanreinke1148]

And you just had the part on the Service Truck!

[@ZKMasterTech]

No I robbed it from another combine.

[@robertfdumoulin6242]

Hey, ZK master tech, Well done, you fixed it.! How old was the part you replaced?

[@ZKMasterTech]

Thanks. I’m not sure how old it was. Original part. Combine is probably a 2013.

[@0dbm]

So glad you didn’t hot swap those SCL

[@PowerStrokeJude]

Do you have some common failed parts that you stock on your service truck?

[@ZKMasterTech]

Yeah I've got packouts full of extra parts.

[@miguellozano8936]

How do you like the heavy equipment repair compared to the automotive. Warranty pay and paycheck wise. I just quit the Toyota dealership after 8 years. 90% of the work was either warranty or recalls. Not the same as it use to be. Thinking of getting into the diesel field.

[@ZKMasterTech]

Well we get paid by the hour with time and a half overtime after 40 hrs. The least amount we work a week is 52 hrs. So it’s way better than flat rate. Plus the benefits are really good.

[@suzylarry1]

some days you catch a break. Keep loading that head with these ideas !

[@mitchellunger9005]

Would like to see your video review of the gear wrench 3/8 torque wrench? My snap on has stripped teeth and is pissing me off lately

[@ZKMasterTech]

Ok. I'll work on it

[@whit4275]

My snap on 3/8 torque wrench strips the teeth if set for over 70 ft lbs.

[@dans_Learning_Curve]

The turn signal module was probably pulling down either the network or 5 volt reference thus taking just about the whole thing down. How or is this related to pressure washing? Unless he took the washer to the inside of the cab?!

[@ZKMasterTech]

It was crashing the CAN bus with corrupted messages. And initially I thought water got into the cab wall connectors or the transmission harness because it literally just got washed. I wasn’t expecting it to be the SCL.

[@theapprenticefiles9693]

Zeth is the dragon master

[@Mike56073]

Do these run off of a CANBUS type communication system? I did 19 years as a GM master tech, as those systems are horrible to diagnosis.

[@GabinoArredondo-y3l]

I have a code that appeared to me and it is the code .CAB/CPM B And the steering wheel is very hard not to turn.

[@soothingsoundsoftranquilit5284]

What serial number range was that combine? Great video, thanks for sharing the info.

[@ZKMasterTech]

755xxx I think

[@mitchellunger9005]

Have seen this on choppers as well

[@bigcheese370]

I would assume you had to look for dtac cases on this machine.

[@1959rossco]

It looks like John Deere is on the verge of outsmarting itself with computer tech because that is ridiculous

[@davidjanuszewski5020]

Seems like John Deere is over-complicating their tractors, over-engineering is going to lose sales for John-Deere. Farmers need their equipment when they need it, not just when it decides to run. This makes a lot of stress for all concerned.

[@dumbdumb343]

U say if u didn't have this problem before u would not have known. If u would have a database for field and dtechs u would have answer a lot quicker than 20 to 30 minutes. This would cut downtime in the field and in the shop as well.

[@robpeters5204]

And you charge the farmer a ludicrous amount to fix it. My issue with JD is that the farmer is only leasing the machine from the mothership. . Every time something happens they have to call a tech to come out to service the machine or incur the extra cost to transport it to and back to the dealership for you to hookup your computer. Farmer’s has no control on a piece of machinery that cost more than some peoples homes.

[@jasonbirley8172]

and that is why you make 10 cent an hour more than the other techs

[@midcoasttractorservice9182]

Which Sloans do you work out of? Definately an Illinois accent lol I live three miles from the store in Litchfield

[@ZKMasterTech]

Atwood

[@midcoasttractorservice9182]

@@ZKMasterTech don't worry I'm not going to hunt you down lmao

[@brent9393]

As a farmer this is what's dumb about engineers, everything stops for the turn signals? Technology isn't also easier

[@stevewalston7089]

As an engineer keep in mind that although poor designs do exist and can cause problems, but more often engineers are asked to design things a certain way. The JD way just happens to be to make money from any and everything. I can't believe farmers are putting up with this and are often totally shut down until a tech looks at it. If a farmer can't find and correct simple issues like this they should consider another brand ... unless they have all gone this way?

[@snydedon9636]

@@stevewalston7089 a farmall super c would be one answer.

[@I_Died_2_Weeks_Ago]

All by design

[@kurtvance1320]

Wow

[@Daniel_cheems]

No wonder farmers are looking for older serviceable equipment. It's the owner's right to repair their property where they choose to...

[@bpetnoi1472]

I know you can't bad mouth JD, but I can. Between piddly little issues like this and the right to repair issues corporations are going the wrong way by my thinking. I can't see why bad turn signal unit should ever leave a customer in a lurch, just poor design or worse yet intentional design. Well best if you keep your comments to yourself regarding my feeling about these issues. Keep up the good work and watch your back.

[@ZKMasterTech]

There are lots of times I cuss engineers but there is nothing I can do about it. All I can do is fix the issue the best I can to help the customer. I don't stand on either side when it comes to right to repair. I see both sides and both have valid points. But I can't do anything about that either. So I'm only focused on the things I can control and that's doing the best job I can for my company and the customer and keep that green iron rolling. I can honestly say there is no perfect brand but Deere is the best company you can choose from in my opinion. They have always treated the customer right and warrantied things that they technically didn't have to. I've never seen Deere do the wrong thing or made a decision I didn't agree with. That's rare in a large company like that. I don't think they intentionally design anything to fail. Thank you for watching.

[@bpetnoi1472]

@@ZKMasterTech I know nothing about which company builds the best farm equipment, but I do know John Deere has a high level of satisfied customers other than the right to repair issue and I don't know the number of people who think that isn't fair. I am presently been watching your videos from the oldest to the newest. Take care of yourself and enjoy life.

[@ZKMasterTech]

I can't think of one customer of mine that honestly gives a crap about right to repair. When they have a problem, we come out and fix as fast as possible. If we can't fix it within a reasonable time frame, we give them a loaner if ones available, which there usually is, and they keep running. Less down time. Our customers don't care about having the ability to program a controller. They just want the pros to come out and fix it right and quickly. They are very grateful for what we do for them.

[@apollorobb]

@@ZKMasterTech What Farmer has the time or tools to work on this stuff. I agree Right to repair may be good for automotive But in AG Machinery No way

[@CrzyAce]

They need to seriously fix that flaw. There is zero reason a turn signal should prevent the machine from fully operating. Horrible Horrible Horrible on John Deere.

[@ZKMasterTech]

Well anything that is a controller on a CAN bus can create this same problem. There are 42 controllers on this combine. The point is, if it communicates on the CAN, it can crash. Not just the SCL.

[@travelinman70]

you can tear down the turn signal controller to find the failure and trace it to a root cause from the bath. Then submit a bug report to JD for a $5,000 reward!

[@geraldklump9536]

I really enjoy your video’s but I have to say I’ll never buy a JD.

[@ukaszklein6836]

👍

[@johngeiselbreth8397]

everybody needs to go back to the kiss method

[@sterlingspencer2934]

That is almost like door alarms in a car ; if you unplug it so it won't ding it will kill you gas milage amoug other problems for some reason.

[@gazoline7093]

This is why I will never buy a deer machines that have no reason for being this complicated they worked fine in the 90s but they now have to control the hydrostatic trans with a can bus instead of a cable just stupid thing like that stopping you from harvesting and hard to fix if you are in the middle of no where.

[@nzcyclone]

In all fairness though. It is not just the JD's. They are all getting more and more complicated, combines, tractors, all farm equipment really. Not one brand is better than the other, they all break down. For example how many combines have been stopped simply because a sensor has failed??. Although in saying that it does seem very weird to have a turn signal indicator disable a combine.......But I guess the other argument is the turn signal is a safety device, granted not used in the field but most certainly is if going down a roadway.

[@AaronWilhelm]

That doesn't make any sense at all....but I'm not an engineer so what do i know. lol.

[@johannijdam7891]

Not an engineer issue, rather a lawyer issue. Think of the liability if the machine turned left and the turnsignal did'nt work and a car would crash in to you. The manufacturer could be sued for millions because of the over the top claim culture. Better to have a machine dead in the field with the broken scl for the turnsignal .........

[@whit4275]

@@johannijdam7891 True but customer would be pissed if it happened in the field while harvesting & then had to wait for part. Double edge sword....

[@johannijdam7891]

@@whit4275 I meant for my answer to be overly sarcastic. I agree totally with being pissed as the customer for such an issue. But that is what you get when lawfare goes wild, education fails and people dumb down :)

[@whit4275]

@@johannijdam7891 I know but what you said actually happened. Farmer went down the road at night about 500 feet to go to his next field on the other side of the road. Just before he made the right hand turn into driveway, he was rear ended by a car. Car never tried to stop. No one survived.

[@miketrapp4991]

@@whit4275 x

[@bobburro3642]

Deere have taken a wrong turn in their design.

[@mvmv-pn8zt]

Such bad electronics design…

[@Arbh1]

A turn signal lever shut down the whole combine machine, what a useless John Deere Engg. Never go for JD things. Go for Fendt 👌👌

[@duggydo]

That has to be the dumbest design I’ve ever seen

[@mototola86]

Scammers

[@steveleverett300]

Junk lol

[@jerrydowell1660]

that is so weird just the blinker goes bad and wont let the machine move what a joke the engineer who deigned theses combines needs to re do that idea

[@geraldklump9536]

I really enjoy your video’s but I have to say I’ll never buy a JD.