John Harvey Kellogg and Adventism

[@woodss82]

No way a doctor would do those things to me. It’s horrific treatments back then.

[@lifeson46]

Just how often should one exonerate ones bowels?

[@calvinprime]

I can't believe I'm related to this guy from my mom's side of the family

[@Lysimachus78]

@battlestroke7 Keep in mind that not everything Kellogg did was endorsed by Ellen White. In fact, later he ended up accepting Pantheism. However, the truth of the matter is, God did lead the Adventist health institutions, and they brought much healing to the world...regardless of some fanaticism that may have been in the Adventist Church. But Ellen White plain warned against fanaticism. But these fanatical things are no excuse to reject the overall truth.

[@normanbraslow7902]

Lysimachus78, if you really are an honest SDA historian, you know she was a fake, hypocrite and fraud. And most likely suffered significant brain damage by the rock hitting her face.

[@Lysimachus78]

@@normanbraslow7902 I am well acquainted with Adventist history, and I also work voluntarily as an apologist for Adventism and Ellen White. The fact is, she was not a hypocrite, and she was not a fraud. And the stone that hit her head did not cause her any brain damage. Such arguments have been soundly debunked, and discredited. You have absorbed misinformation. Her dreams and visions, have been overwhelmingly proven to not be a result of her injury at 9 years old. If her dreams and visions were a result of her head-trauma, how come she had zero visions between the age of 9 and the age of 17? What happened to those 8 years? It wasn't until the age of 17 that she began to receive her dreams and visions. She literally stopped breathing for up to 2 hours, while a divine power took a hold of her body, as she swayed her arms that not even the men could stop. When they tried to stop her arms from moving gracefully, it caused their feet to slide back and forth. This is a divine power, not epilepsy. She was a true prophet of God. And if you reject her, you will be held accountable in the day of judgment, and you will pay dearly. You are to obey the prophet of God. Period.

[@normanbraslow7902]

Lysimachus78 Boy, you really drank a couple of gallons of that Kool-Aid! She was a fraud. She was a plagiarist. She ate meat long after she told the True Believers not to. She wore jewelry after she told her gullible followers, ones just like you, not to. Her "prophesies" were crap she dreamed up. For fraud, the "vision" about flying through space naming planets and moons known as of the date of the vision, but omitting those not known at the time. Fraud. And in the same vision seeing a biblical prophet living with others on the plant Jupiter or Saturn. Utter fraud. The same visions meant to suck a ship captain into donating money after almost all left movement after the Great Disappointment of 1844' better known as the End of the Millerite Scam. As for plagiarism, what she claimed was written at the express instructions of an Angel, copied verbatim from other authors. As for the meat, we have copies of her shopping lists. As for the jewelry, photographs of the jewelry, airbrushed out of later copies. Need I go on? She was a fraud. Just as Joseph Smith was. Simple as that. If you want to believe in her, fine. Thinking the moon is made out of green cheese does not make it so. Your arrogant demand, yes demand, that I and all the world MUST believe in your delusion is even more delusional he fascistic than she was. She had an excuse of a physical injury leading to epileptic type hallucinations. You have no such excuse.

[@epsilon3821]

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[@ChillinwithJanel]

Plus let's not forget that Kellogg was dis fellowshipped from the church 5 years before Kellogg actually promoted eugenics and the race betterment movement...I feel this is why the church wanted nothing to do with that...God wants us to love and help all ppl ... especially the ones who have never even heard of God.

[@jan-fj9mi]

People calls him insane while eating a bowl of Kellogg corn flakes 😏

[@peterkirgan2921]

He was! How do you think fruit loops got their name??? He was a mental head!!!!

[@meman6964]

Corn flakes manufacture by his brother!!

[@thenowchurch6419]

Nothing wrong with that. A person can make a popular cereal and still be insane at some point.

[@btudrus]

@@thenowchurch6419 Eating that plant crap is insane and makes you insane.

[@changesnlatitudes]

Today's corn flakes are only vaguely like the original. Kellogg's brother wanted commercial success so for the sake of marketability focused on taste at the expense of health benefits.

[@kcgotti7631]

He started a Wellness cult which eventually created the vampire Panic of the late 1800s

[@Lysimachus78]

@battlestroke7 No, the personal accounts are not wrong. They simply just do not exist. I've been studying Adventist history for the last 15 years, and I challenge you to give me one such reliable source.

[@avanm420]

Blood letting and yogurt enemas - They're Great!!!

[@guitarlearningtoplay]

He was a genius medically unfortunately in the end his weird ideology got in the way

[@thenowchurch6419]

He cannot be given all the blame. Adventism itself is full of weird ideology. Kellogg just tried to make it make sense.

[@joselincapli]

​@@thenowchurch6419As an Adventist I can say that he was an Adventist but after going to university he became a pantheist and that is why everything became strange, many people do not know that aspect of his life and just talk for the sake of talking.

[@pendragonshall]

Hehe I love how on all these Kellogg vids how people either say he's a complete nut or worse. Or how everything he did was great. Look. The man did some amazing things, period. He put exercise and a healthy diet on the map. Granted he went to far with the exclusion of meat though many still agree with him (vegans). AND he did horrible things like useless treatments that did nothing or actually harmed you and his stupid logic against sex. So he was both a nut AND a great man.

[@thenowchurch6419]

Thank you. Too many people can only see life in a polarized, black or white way. We must be balanced and truthful.

[@seventhdayissabbath8747]

The exclusion of meat in the diet is biblical and has nothing to do with J Kellogg.

[@seventhdayissabbath8747]

@Dual Substance Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. God allowed the temporary eating of (clean) animals after the flood because all plant life had been destroyed from the flood. Man was to return to the original diet that God had given in the beginning once the plants and trees grew back. Daniel's diet was given to us to show that he was obeying God's original diet plan of eating a plant based diet and that it does make a difference in our bodies Our bodies are the temple of God. Romans 12:1 beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

[@elijahhernandez906]

Yin & yang

[@pendragonshall]

@@seventhdayissabbath8747 Jesus fixed it,, all good. I know you won't be convinced by the Jesus on this but it's all good. I know you "feel" that you are intellectually and "factually" correct. I know your not. No argument needed or wanted. But it's alright to make a loving attempt at what you think is correct. Which you did. I've had similar encounters with Jews and muslims etc. Sorry for such a LATE response. Just missed it until the recent comment from someone else. I'm NOT arguing and not insulting you. Just stating what I know without going into detail or fighting. All good. God Bless

[@prawcess]

Yeah, hes like 42......