John McLean on Abolishing Māori Seats

[@kevinansley7353]

We already voted against seperate wards in 22 council elections, respect our vote.

[@paulmeersa7162]

Research "Luxon Our Activist Prime Minister; Parts 1 through 10", it will make your jaw drop. Who would have thought?

[@kevinansley7353]

@@paulmeersa7162 I have seen it and would never vote for the nats right since Bolger started the history rewrite.

[@paulmeersa7162]

@@kevinansley7353 What, the mighty Totara!

[@ronaldwarren1267]

No to the signs no to native party and get voted into council like any body else and no to native prayer before council meeting starts

[@markstephens5118]

Yah right.!?

[@Mark-g6l7i]

Abolish the racist maori seats in parliament as was the recommendation at the time New Zealand adopted MMP

[@pgreen8531]

Totally agree with

[@paulmeersa7162]

Research "Luxon Our Activist Prime Minister; Parts 1 through 10", it will make your jaw drop. Who would have thought?

[@drinkingup2157]

Would you like to explain to me why you view Maori seats as being racist. No hurry as i guess i may have to wait a while.,

[@paulmeersa7162]

@@drinkingup2157 The treaty makes everybody equal. Why have political representation for one race only?

[@Mark-g6l7i]

@@drinkingup2157 they only claim to represent maori. (TPM only got 2%of the vote so they shouldn't be in Parliament. We don't have a Chinese party or an India, Philippine or Muslim Party

[@Peter_Pepper_Love]

One law for all... United We Stand...or Divided we fall 🖤

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

completely agree.

[@Colin_Izer1111]

Anony_mouse for PM 🙋‍♂

[@ALBYNHK1]

Half wit. No clue at all😂😂

[@Colin_Izer1111]

@@ALBYNHK1 Care to elaborate as to why that is? Sounds perfectly rational to me.

[@annekevandenberg8165]

One vote and one law for all...True democracy.

[@keithfletcher236]

Let’s get rid of the Maori seats in Parliament and make it a truely democratic society

[@logicalanswer3529]

Good call.

[@raywheeler3135]

Illogical answer

[@mrsevenfold9702]

@@raywheeler3135 You voted for a leftist party

[@paulmeersa7162]

@@raywheeler3135 Why? We have MMP.

[@ALBYNHK1]

What are you so afraid of? Nothing was stolen from you😂

[@beenflying1]

Why are we being called pakiha. I take offense to this. Maori might see me as that, but Michael and John should not be using it when referring to a white New Zealand person!

[@b.alexanderjohnstone9774]

I was having same reaction. We do have our own words - British suits me but European fine. Of course we could all just be bloody New Zealanders. Go back to that.

[@jamesbroughton4706]

@@greetingsfromnewzealand dont forget the pollution and the over flowing sewers and the chemicals that are destructing our waterways these are also european tech along with rats and disease maori are not fully compensated there are land owners who own their land but will never be able to put roots on it and the brittish colonised this land maori where allready here and as far as the tax thing goes you got proof of that

[@brucegibbins3792]

My understanding is that Pakeha describes people who are not Maori. There are no derogatory connotations stated or implied. If you are of British origin the use of Foreigner would be more familiar to you Pakeha is the equivalent of that.

[@jeffappleton926]

​@@brucegibbins3792 Good grief Bruce, get your head out of your nether regions. The word is frequently used directly in a derogatory fashion; for example " You bloody Pakeha c*nt". Less obvious is the use as a slight to demean "all you pakeha are the same", "all you Pakeha are colonisers and should bow to our moral and spiritual superiority and closer connection to the land". Who was it a while back who proclaimed the superiority of Maori DNA? By which that person also meant that anyone who was a Pakeha was inferior due to their birth. To pretend otherwise you'd have to be incredibly naive or just pretentious. I don't think for a second you're that naive mate.

[@StGammon77]

Radical Maoris have made it sound derogatory but I assure you the meaning is rich, the Treaty Chiefs became Pakeha, considered themselves like us, free and righteous, benevolent and knowledgeable, generous pioneering Christian based culture. Be confident about being a Pakeha NZdr you are loved by your own people, we need to support eachother, lift eachother up, not in pride, but in knowing our wonderful miraculous heritage xx

[@J.Smith-rc6wh]

PART moari are 17% of the population, these people are MORE than half something else. Last full blooded maori died in 1950's according to history class in 1980's. We need to change the narrative. We have no need or justification for part maori seats like we have no need for part maori anything

[@DownUnderWarboss]

Same Rules for everyone

[@paulmeersa7162]

The basis of the Treaty too of course.

[@neilstuarr2278]

Maori seats are unnecessary now

[@Keepitsimple183]

Why's that

[@neilstuarr2278]

@Keepitsimple183 because there are 60% active maori mps in the general seats. So there is enough representation .we should simplify everything.

[@brentreid7408]

Only to get the Maori party in power.

[@5150show]

Abolish the treaty

[@paulnoble7420]

as long as we have Maori designated seats in parliament then we will never get rid of the separatism bullshit in this country! Mayors are being directed by the Local Govt Authority in Wgtn!

[@andyox-gr9gy]

There would only be maori left here if Labour te party Maori greens get in

[@Ricky-nq7lu]

Just do it by the way of referendum as that way the country says what goes. Both sides need to stop treating us like bloody children as we know there will be ill will after the referendum, but I think NZ need a good shake up to get our shit together.

[@dsndicmsa7141]

ummm no, equal suffrage for all should be a given... the idea that people should get special rights if a majority think they should isn't democracy, democracy is everybody has equal rights

[@paulmeersa7162]

Research "Luxon Our Activist Prime Minister; Parts 1 through 10", it will make your jaw drop. Who would have thought?

[@5756strat]

couldn't agree more

[@operator6786]

The whole issue has come about through the socialist Jacinda Adern corrupting New Zealand by bringing racism into our country and so causing all manner of trouble by opening up a can of worms.. Now we are having to repair the damage done, a long wasteful exercise, she has fled the country & couldn't care less about the mess she has caused...

Speak only Māori. See how you get on anywhere in the world. Africa, Asia or Europe take your pick. Te Pati Maori seem to wish to be one of those barely discovered tribes at the bottom of the world. If they got there way, in a few years they'd be given the choice of speaking Mandarin or be extinct.

[@MrTubeuser12]

Agree. the Maori language is insignificant, in the grander scheme of things

@@Izuza31 Fair points. English became the international business language by fortunate timing, much to the disgust of the French and ongoingly Putin and Xi. There is plenty of room for plenty of languages. My point was to navigate internationally we need a common communication. Any weakened outlier may get swallowed up in this increasingly belligerent world.

[@MrTubeuser12]

@@Izuza31 well, for a start, I didn't say insignificant to me, I said "in the grander scheme of things" if you bothered to reference the first comment with regard to mine, and assuming you have some intelligence, you'll understand what I meant was that in the world, English is much more broadly spoken than Maori, and so it would be far more advantageous for children to learn English than Maori as their would potentially be more opportunities with respect to careers/jobs in the global market place speaking English, not Maori. In that context, Maori language is insignificant.

[@MrTubeuser12]

@@Izuza31 LOL, if you didn't care, you wouldn't have bothered to reply, also what I said is technically the truth so whether you care or not is irrelevant an doesn't change things lol

[@MrTubeuser12]

@@Izuza31 "I don't really care what you meant you still said it" and there in-lies the problem, you can't just read words without understanding what it all means otherwise things can be taken out of context and the resulting argument loses all relevant meaning.

[@Sharon-yk7xm]

Why are we being blackmailed by maori for a deal made years ago this country will never be free

[@kiwiingrid]

Civil war if we get rid of Maori seats..nah, the majority of Maori are quite happy the how things run at present. If they weren't there would be more Maori in the political arena and in councils, but Maori I speak to are not happy with TPM and their childish BS carry on.

[@helenlizzystewart4908]

yeah well to be honest they are very embarrassing to watch and very cringey

[@logicalanswer3529]

Good point.

[@Mark-g6l7i]

Regarding Maori Wards, they Must be voted in like any other Councilor. They should NOT have any VETO RIGHTS

[@potato3264]

Univetsal sufferage means universal rights.

[@cathrynfaith735]

The Maori seats first came in to being from a positive intention towards unity. One wonders if this current crew are intentionally trying to jeopardise them.

[@dsndicmsa7141]

Whats up with this idea that special rights for a single ethnicity should be decided on through referendum... ummm no that's not democracy, democracy is equal rights for all. we don't vote on if one group of people gets different treatment

[@sueedwards9334]

The Maori Party leader has said that he doesn’t believe in democracy.

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@sueedwards9334 Correct. He claims that the white supremacy government is only looking after it's white people. He is an ignorant racist.

[@zweed69]

how could it lead to civil war? tpm got like 2% of the vote, they may be an extremely rowdy 2% but they are still 2% 😂

[@Hendo1955]

I am a 6th generation kiwi more kiwi blood than most maori in nz i suspect

[@eddiehauraki6272]

Kiwi is a bird idiot

[@kiwikiwi223]

😂

[@logicalanswer3529]

people who identify as Māori have more European blood in them than Māori anyway.

[@logicalanswer3529]

@@eddiehauraki6272 Kiwi is also a nickname that has been used in relation to New Zealanders since the early 1900's. Also, in relation to our armed forces and League teams. P.S You are calling the bird an idiot by not knowing how to use a comma.

[@ALBYNHK1]

I would love for you to do a segment on perpetual leases of Maori Land and how fair that is for Maori, or is that not supporting your rhetoric?

[@Not4Prophet]

Comments being deleted... why?

[@MrTubeuser12]

because woke people are hurt by the truth, so they report the comments. read this before it gets deleted LOL

[@yolandascholten2012]

I wonder???

[@MrTubeuser12]

Probably deleted by those who can't handle the truth, it happens a lot, that way the overall narrative of the comments looks like it's in their favour.

[@unclejoe7958]

Do Te Pati know that their way of thinking is the problem. They believe that people should vote for someone based on their race. Māoris should only vote for Maoris . They also insinuate that non Maori would never vote for a Maori and therefore need free seats to have proper representation. So they’re falsely accusing others of the very thing which they are clearly guilty of - racism and division.

[@logicalanswer3529]

Well put.

[@raywheeler3135]

Illogical

[@kenking3188]

Maori need to grow up. Those who have joined the modern world do well according their skills. The rest are hoping their hopeless leaders will save them like sheep, they will and should lose. Get rid of all wards, maori seats and all racebased advantages.

[@josephharris8005]

I believe part of the reason mayors support Māori wards because it helps strengthen relationships with local iwi. This is crucial for councils due to the significant role iwi play in the planning process. For example, obtaining a discharge consent for your wastewater treatment plant upgrades becomes much more challenging without iwi support. Of course, this depends on the planning rules in place. However, many of these rules are structured to make the pathway easier and with iwi support. Providing incentive to get that support.

[@StGammon77]

Ban IWI having any say as seperate people, they should just help their people privately with money they are given, they had no knowledge, it's all Euro tech, science and industry

[@StGammon77]

The Treaty did not afford IWI to have any political control

[@overover..]

The Maori Party believe they should have 50% of seats. That's why they, and Stuff, have doubled down on the partnership / co-governance rhetoric in the last 3 years, two peoples bla bla bla...

[@korocam9137]

The Majority of New Zealanders are Honest, Hardworking and Reasonable people. One sure way to cause a collapse of Government is to get rid of the Maori seats, who honestly believes National will go down that path?

[@StGammon77]

I don't think you understand, the 7 or 9 now seats are not earned by NZdrs, they are voted by Maori only, and only a minority of Maori ate on the Maori roll they don't have to reach 5% like every other party and they never have, it's very unfair and since they are now treasonous racists it's even more necessary I believe

[@drinkingup2157]

Ok Im a 60 year plus pakeha and the vile anti Māori vitriol on this page both disgust me and makes me despair of any positive progress. What is is exactly that you are afraid of losing in your acceptance and understanding of another culture,

[@logicalanswer3529]

Can you give an example of something that is "vile and anti Maori"? Keep in mind that facts by definition can not be racist.

[@kiwikiwi223]

The platform l😂oves the topic of maori.

[@uniquelymystical9705]

I’m Maori, I was never taught to feel oppressed, when life happens, I never heard anything racist, it was life, it’s what happens - I’m proud to be Maori and always will be In politics, what has the Maori seats contributed? I’d like to hear the breakdown, and if/should these seats be abolished, what would become of these seats? And where it matters, what would be put in place to protect what should never be considered to be removed/changed? I can see where it has the potential to open doors to removing/changing things, under the guise of democracy - How stable will our government be moving forward? Better yet, I’ll look more in-depth myself, my comment was geared simply because of what was discussed here

[@MrToelis1]

What percentage of Maori blood? ? ? ? ?

[@uniquelymystical9705]

I can consider that rude to even ask, but what’s the reason to the question?

[@chriscorcoran2603]

I judge a person by who they are ,not race or colour,,,there's good and bad New Zealand people take your pick...But watching lately this Maori party activists in Parliament speak(in Te Reo) treason at every chance something has to give,,,these people are getting our taxes to do this,enough

[@lesmondk3376]

Let me get this right a simple vote in parliament to get rid of the Maori seats. if that is the case when the other party gets in they can vote the seats back in and make it 10 seats and have a lot more seats in parliament on their side hmmm something to think about Michael

[@PeterTrot]

The Maori Party have no credibility with me. I have given them a taste of their own medicine and cancelled them out.

[@djhemirukahemisphere8893]

So how do you 2 speakers suggest Maori should be represented ?

[@sharondunasemant6393]

Like every other Kiwi. Nothing more nothing less.

[@markstephens5118]

I've always said that the biggest problem Maori have is it's own self appointed leadership.! This leadership need it's own people to fail so they can justify THEIR own existence, Te pati Maori is just the latest example of this. The only way this failure of so many in self identifying Maoridom is if a vast majority recognize this and in huge numbers tell this arses where to go , nobody else can do it.

[@dallasstrom1308]

This makes absolutely no sense.

[@jamescrydeman540]

TheMaori seats have not served Maoridom well. The most they ever did was assure Labour of four seats in the bag. If Māori had taken themselves off that role and spread their votes across all the other electorates I have to wonder if Labour, at the time the preferred party of Maoridom, would have spent far more time on the treasury benches. Altering the almost traditional three terms National, one term Labour cycle of old. No longer appropriate I realise but promoting the concept of seperate seats is to declare a preference for a lesser order of democracy and a definite perverting of democracy. And no the ends never justify the means, an expression for those bereft of the principles and ethics to do the right thing in the first place.

[@snigie1]

Pfffft this is just allowing old folk to talk, these seats are going nowhere, hush up

[@skyline472]

I like listening to you rascists pakeha very intriguing

[@stuartdouce]

racist undemocratic seats. = maori seats

[@Not4Prophet]

Half baked points of view here. Pakeha system means what we've had and what we've still got which has lead us to where we're at. Plenty of people including Māori aren't fooled by the so called system any more. Stop trying to shrink the issues into a race based debate. So called representatives from any party be they regional or central do not represent the majority of people they just represent a voice. Plenty of other voices out there being ignored. Grow up infants and take control of your own lives, that's the message duh!

[@logicalanswer3529]

Why do you claim "Stop trying to shrink the issues into a race based debate" and yet you typed "Pakeha system means what we've had and what we've still got"? Are you confused?

[@dallasstrom1308]

It is time to acknowledge the uncomfortable truths that plague our society. We cannot turn a blind eye to the injustices of the past that continue to linger in the present. When we say "it wasn't me", we are shirking our responsibility to confront the legacy of colonisation and its impact on indigenous peoples. The Māori people have endured the stripping of their language, land illegally confiscated or perpetually leased and there rights to self governance (Tino Rangateratanga), in direct violation of the promises made in Te Tiriti( (the signed Māori Version). It is through acknowledging these historical wrongs and working towards reconciliation that we can begin to heal the wounds of the past. It is imperative that we hold our government accountable for their role in perpetuating systemic inequalities. We must demand that they honour their obligations to the Māori people, who have been deprived of their rights for far too long. That’s why we are seeing the rise of TPM. We must break free from the chains of ignorance and bigotry that cloud our perceptions. By treating the Māori with the respect and dignity they deserve, we can pave the way for a future built on mutual understanding and cooperation. Don’t be part of the misinformation propaganda everyone is spewing towards Māori. Let us not repeat the mistakes of our ancestors. Let us stand in solidarity with the Māori people and strive towards a more just and equitable society for all. The time for change is now. Or War mongers like Mike might get his Civil War.

[@logicalanswer3529]

What a complete bunch of nonsense from a racist professional victim.

[@dallasstrom1308]

What exactly is racist here. You truly have no answer. So you fall back on the narrative. The apparent accusation of racism within the Te Tiriti movement is baseless. By labeling it as racist or separatist, one avoids addressing the real issues. Viewing the situation from a different perspective reveals that no existing rights are being compromised; rather, rights that were unjustly stripped away are being restored. Resistance to this equitable process reflects a racist mindset. It's crucial to confront these biases and acknowledge them honestly.

[@ALBYNHK1]

What are you all so afraid of?

[@brucegibbins3792]

This is a descision for Maori to make for themselves. Pakeha are not effected if this change were to come into effect. So why the naysayer backlash?

[@StGammon77]

Excuse me, but Pakeha want to have our own Government independent from Maori MPs

[@logicalanswer3529]

Will they be using money from Māori taxpayers only?

[@dallasstrom1308]

Because the majority of Pakeha are racist and want to scare the minority of Pakeha with prejudice propaganda to follow and join the oppression. That’s been happening for 180 years.

[@GeorgeMcphillips-i6t]

Moari will follow the free money

[@mareeauld5778]

Stop the separatism

[@logicalanswer3529]

The Māori party want separatism.

[@66patc]

yes that's right everything wrong with young Maaori is because of paakeha colonisation

[@66patc]

Maaori deserve more seats so the rascist paakeha councils can be opposed 😊

[@DrRatweasel]

M Laws....🤨😵‍💫😡🤡👎

[@lifeliver9000]

Dick Ratwaesel 💩🍆🫶🐈🤣🤣🤣🤣🖕🏽

[@paulchristensen2573]

Should do away with pakeha seats 120 gone let's have a referendum

[@StGammon77]

Yeh let's prove you wrong it's our Govt not yours

[@logicalanswer3529]

You would be in trouble if we were to "do away" with ignorant and racist people.

[@seymorbutts1027]

shud up 🤡