John Paul Jones Talks About Being In Led Zeppelin

John Paul Jones Talks About Being In Led Zeppelin
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[@scottbaxendale323]

I spent an afternoon driving John Paul Jones around Denver looking for vintage guitars. He was a very nice and humble man.

[@w.harrison7277]

What year?

[@scottbaxendale323]

@@w.harrison7277 early 2000’s

[@beatlesrgear]

You, sir, are most blessed to have such an honour! I would love to have even 5 minutes to spend with JPJ. I absolutely love him!

[@scottbaxendale323]

@@w.harrison7277 That would have been around 2005-6?

[@9Universe757]

Yeah sure you did.

[@sebastianquilt]

Badass. John Paul Jones did more for Zeppelin than people know. He was always overlooked. He wrote the complex riffs of Black Dog, the infamous descending/ascending breakdown in Stairway to Heaven, the beautiful orchestration of Kashmir, most of 'In through the Out Door' (which is underrated, almost as much as Coda), No Quarter, Battle of Evermore, Going to California, Dazed and Confused, In The Light. (Side note: he also orchestrated REM's ballad 'Nightswimming', one of Alternative Rock's most poignant 90s moments). Then he joined a supergroup with Josh Homme and Dave Grohl. Dude dropped the mic ages ago.

[@williamsnyder1315]

He was the band’s arranger, and also expanded their musical knowledge. I always thought of him as kind of the band’s George Martin.

[@neilatkinson3974]

Really? Ok, I buy that, I believe it.

[@Ninjametal]

Coda was not up to par, but otherwise; good points

[@sebastianquilt]

@@Ninjametal I love Coda so much because it's Bonham's record to shine. Love it.

[@stevecvino]

JPJ was the secret weapon.

[@alanwann9318]

Try to imagine spending 24 hrs a day with your co workers , you will soon be looking for the door.

[@jimwest9313]

I disagree,, not a good analogy because you're doing something that's not nearly in the same category as a working stiff......

[@abubaseet]

@@jimwest9313 But if you look at what some rockstars have said about touring, it becomes like punching a clock for some of them. Granted, you don't get the glamor in a cubicle, but I get his point.

[@PeterM1-qx1tz]

@@jimwest9313 Mate, a professional musician on the road is a working stiff the same as the rest of us. Being on a bus every day, checking in and out of hotels, doing sound checks, rehearsals hours before the show... sleeping at airports or trying to get some kip on a bus, I guarantee that after two weeks the novelty wears off and its a grind, the same way any job is a grind. Cheers ; ]

[@doctornova3015]

all i can say is, it depends.

[@danielc1978]

As so many have said, musicians live for the couple of hours of playing on stage; the price is traveling to different cities, being without family, loneliness, boredom, etc. True that being a famous musician seems more glamorous than being an office worker; it's also true that familiarity breeds contempt. I really wonder about the people who work from home now being around their family 24/7....can't be healthy...

[@bonscott6353]

Still beats the hell out of working on a production line for minimum wage

[@alanfletcher9698]

How True

[@Markycarandbikestuff]

Yep, pretty sure i'll never get a Lamborghini just for showing up.

[@DonLeist]

They don't get paid!

[@PeterTea]

There’s no Led Zeppelin without Jonesy, or the others. Take any one of them away and good luck replicating their sound. The chemistry that these guys had was just something else to behold.

[@5tar5z]

Doesn’t matter. Their music output was going downhill since 1975 anyway.

[@5tar5z]

@@plasticweapon well, LZ 4 was their peak. That’s a fact.

[@georgevue8175]

Chemistry + talent = God like Superstars.

[@beatlesrgear]

@@5tar5z You just totally slagged off their two greatest albums: Prescence and Physical Graffiti! 😮

[@5tar5z]

@@beatlesrgear Presence? Really? Candy Store Rock, Tea For One, Hots on For Nowhere? C’mon now

[@ericbgordon1575]

John Paul Jones has been my favorite Zeppelin member since the early 2000s. Even if the other three band members who are more notorious deserve all the credit they get, I think JPJ deserves to get more credit than he has. So much of what many fans enjoy about the group only came to life because he was there.

[@trickyricky1047]

Well said Eric. JPJ was able to play the bass, guitar, mandolin, piano, and organ. In most cases, any sound they produced beyond guitars, drums and bass was him.

[@ericbgordon1575]

Thanks, @richardshoults1047 . And, it took me upwards of 13 years from when I was 11 and first heard (what many of us call) *Led Zeppelin IV* during its 20th anniversary to learn this much about JPJ. My knowledge that he was a piano, organ and synthesizer player as well as a bass player was kind of hazy up to then. There was this article when we still had Yahoo 360 about his keyboard rig. The different entries about the different pianos he played, the different organ models he had and the bass pedals he played included one still shot of him holding that triple neck acoustic guitar that (I think) he played on live versions of "Going to California" and "The Battle of Evermore". That's when JPJ's Ingenuity came alive for me and I've worked out how much he brought to the Zeppelin formula.

[@jimhazel1544]

@@trickyricky1047 The Brian Jones of Led Zeppelin!

[@Justin-hb6cg]

Arrangers rarely get the credit they deserve.

[@ericbgordon1575]

Not unless they've also got some of the star power in them, @@Justin-hb6cg.

[@jrosner6123]

Jones is a musical treasure!

[@GazzaBoo]

He is indeed. His bass lines are pretty much the only ones I’ve been humming to myself since I first heard them in 69.

[@Arbuckle_A]

The phone number comment was deserved IMHO. Rock on Jonesy!

[@gordons-alive4940]

Not happy about Plant and Page reuniting without him, I guess. Can't blame him. I think Led Zep fans were not pleased either, though they still bought tickets.

[@dm2156]

@@gordons-alive4940 They treated JPJ like a contractor, very shitty of them, he was/is an amazing talent and on par or exceeding anyone in the band.

[@rolex3560]

@@dm2156 Just like Rick Wright.

[@albertarthurparsnips5141]

⁠@@rolex3560Not so. David Gilmour reinstated Rick as a performing, writing, & touring member of PF until Mr Wright passed away. Rick appeared with David in a wide variety of solo recordings, both in the studio & live. Polly & David wrote a beautiful song *about* Rick after he died. He has appeared , posthumously, in David’s latest recording , both on audio & even visual releases. I do not think it’s fair to suggest that Rick was ever treated by David & Nick ( Roger being an entirely other matter: he booted Rick into a merely salaried status ) with anything other than deep affection.

[@josephclark8386]

John Paul Jones was the super glue that held the whole band together

[@bluemoon-20]

Jonesy was Led Zep's Secret Weapon; unfortunately it took decades for so many fans to realize that.

[@canadianroot]

Pretty snarky remark on stage, though. Very petty.

[@bluemoon-20]

@canadianroot Maybe it was petty, but I see it more as acknowledging what everyone else had already talked about- the fact that Plant and Page had snubbed him from the reunion. JPJ deserved better than that.

[@canadianroot]

@@bluemoon-20 Yeah, but on stage? I guess it was their right to do so, which they did privately (I'm assuming). Not to diminish JPJ in any way, of course. He was a huge part of their sound.

[@bluemoon-20]

@canadianroot Yea, JPJ's importance to their sound and lack of notice compared to the other members of Zep makes me cut him a little more slack. While Page and Plant were not obligated to include Jones in any collaborations, the classy (and friendly) thing to do would have been to at least contact Jones and let him know they were both planning an album together. After all, they must have known that not including Jonesy would draw some attention.

[@mukhumor]

Led Zeppelin was the sound track to some of the best times of our lives.

[@DURecords]

If I had to say best Classic Rock band ever, it would be Led Zeppelin. Even the stuff folks poo-poo sometimes like "All Of My Love" is phenomenal.

[@stevemellin5806]

You hit the nail on the head. Best time of my life

[@mukhumor]

@@DURecords People who don't 'get' Led Zeppelin were never on the right wave length. 😁

[@mukhumor]

@@stevemellin5806 Right. If you weren't there you wouldn't know. 😁

[@kenbrown5449]

You are right, unfortunately some of those soundtracks belonged to other bands. Not a knock really, more than a few bands did this. I would respect them more if they had given credit and $ to those songwriters/performers.

[@williamcampbell2656]

This is based on that one comment. JPJ was pissed off to hear about a Page/]Plant planned a project without him and he never received a phone call. He head about it through media. That's why he was pissed off!

[@WilliamHerlihy-p4g]

That and a big missed payday. That's why he wasn't included: Page and Plant could fill the stadiums without him.

[@5tar5z]

and that album was really, really, really fuckn awful btw. One good song on it. Most High, that’s it.

[@bonscott6353]

@@5tar5zi thought it was the unleaded, no quater album he was pissed about

[@5tar5z]

@@bonscott6353 you may be right, but Walking into Clarksdale really sucked

[@dancingtrout6719]

@@WilliamHerlihy-p4g yep big pay day ,, the stones keef took lots the royalties too

[@MrMaxtaurus]

I'd say if your 6 year old son dies and 2 of your bandmates don't show up to the funeral, you're not friends

[@SelectCircle]

Exactly.

[@JosephCusumano-u6h]

Did that really happen though?

[@Mick_Ts_Chick]

​@@JosephCusumano-u6hRobert said that Bonzo was the only one who came and saw him afterwards. He sounded pretty hurt, as he should.

[@tjgadner8896]

True, but they weren’t really there for plant either when he was going through it, they also let bonham drink himself to death, and Jimmy was on heroin hard. It’s not like they were intentionally being mean to each other, they were just in the throes of debauchery

[@gib59er56]

@@tjgadner8896 well said man. as hard that sounds it is truthfull.

[@MikaelLewisify]

I was a touring musician for several years (obviously not anywhere near Zeppelin levels) and I can tell you, it’s incredibly difficult spending 24 hours, 7 days a week with anybody.

[@oftin_wong]

@@MikaelLewisify it's 99% boredom and 1% pure exhilaration

[@MikaelLewisify]

@@oftin_wong exactly

[@rorycunningham8324]

Only a very small part of this is JPJ talking about being in LZ.

[@richardyells8831]

You mean the title of this was misleading??

[@bobm9509]

A ploy i constantly fall for.

[@rorycunningham8324]

@@richardyells8831 Perish the thought.

[@Michael69]

This is how channels such as this produce a lot of content quickly, garner a lot of views, but always fail. People get tired of the bullshit and turn the other way. It'll happen to this channel too 🙃

[@AlexAlcyone]

we all fell for it. This is fundamentally a dogshit channel. Trendjacking trash for clicks and ad revenue.

[@ebarteldes]

A lot of bands have this professional relationship. You don't need to be friends with your coworkers, you need to have harmony. Queen was like that too - they'd go for months without talking to each other, but when it came the time to work, they did their thing. And remember what Mick Jagger said when Keith said Mick was "his brother?" He said, "I have a brother. Keith is my band partner" or something to that vein

[@georgevue8175]

Coworkers sleep with your wife if you are not careful.

[@castleanthrax1833]

There are different levels of friendship and friends. I'm sure they're friends, just like your co-workers are friends... but you're not so close that you keep in touch if you stop working there.

[@ebarteldes]

@@castleanthrax1833 BUT with a band it's much different. You are in close quarters, it's not like a 9-5 job. Things get weird sometimes

[@alfching2499]

Why do we expect them to be friends anyway.people don’t really like people in general

[@IusedtohaveausernameIliked]

I don't care if they weren't friends, they were the best rock band ever. The albums they made will stand as masterpieces for a long long time.

[@deanbriss10]

I think you meant FOREVER.

[@Aristipp-ng5fu]

Some people would disagree.

[@deansusec8745]

Didnt even last as soon as KZbin revealed all their plagiarisms. No secrest anymore. Best band? hardly.

[@IusedtohaveausernameIliked]

@@deansusec8745 Every musician borrows from other musicians. Did they go over the line? Maybe, but who cares? They certainly didn't do anything criminal. They did upset the blues purists but that's what Rock and Roll is about, challenging the existing order of things. Not everyone has to like them. When I said they were "the best rock band ever" that isn't a statement of fact, it's a statement of my opinion. You can like or dislike their music as you please. Me, I think every album they ever made is awesome and unique.

[@jbpoole]

@@IusedtohaveausernameIliked Yep! Zep rocked...who cares if they didn't braid each others hair or play patty cake when they were off the clock...they fuckin' rocked, right? I mean, like..I bet the people who make Budweiser don't all go to each others cookouts, am I right? (high five) However.....all that yadda yadda about "Challenging the order ..(((insert raspberry sound effect))) Hate to break it to ya but, bottom line...Rock'n'Roll is about guys gettin' into chicks pants. Thats it in a nut shell..but..again...who cares? party on Garth

[@loveagainstgods5116]

That’s what is so refreshing about RUSH they were best friends who enjoyed each other’s company when not working Geddy and Alex are basically a old married couple 😂😂😂😂

[@pooddescrewch8718]

Thats great when it works but it rarely does for long .

[@dm2156]

Now Geddy sounds like Kermit the frog when he sings from destroying his voice, I can't listen to them nowadays

[@gsMuzak]

@@pooddescrewch8718 there's an argentinian rock band called divididos, it's pretty much the guitarist and the bassist since '89. They know each other since childhood. A lot of artists that have really long careers say the same thing: it's like a marriage. Eventually you know each other so well you can make it work out because you know it's something that's beyond a job, it's something that feeds your soul

[@pkarandi]

@@dm2156 I love Rush, but this ^^ right here. As great as Rush is, I stopped going to their tours after the 2008 tour. I just couldn't stand Geddy's voice anymore.

[@aurinrakkun8589]

Yes, they were one of the very few bands that were always best friends. That’s why they lasted 41 years together, because it just so happened that their chemistry was absolutely perfect.

[@mr.knowitall6440]

I had the radio on one day while driving back in the 90's. They were doing a live broadcast from the Bonaventure Hotel (it was some big Rock n' Roll event), and the DJ spotted Jonesy, and approached him with the mic. It was just after Page and Plant had announced their collaboration, so the DJ cheerfully asked him "Hey, so what do you think about Page and Plant doing this thing together?" There was an awkward pause, and the DJ said "oh... um...". Then Jonesy said "They didn't call me...". That moment is why he said in that HOF clip "I'm glad my friends finally remembered my phone number".

[@i4nng]

Every now and then i come back to realize how great Led Zeppelin was, is and will always be.

[@pamelaearl7191]

It's terrific reading these fabulous comments about JPJ. I hope he knows how brilliant we all think of him and his work!

[@brianborowski7368]

Happy they held it together for as long as they could.

[@2FRESH-4U]

What a magical time in the world I’m glad I am able to see videos and listen to the music

[@jeremywanner4526]

The jetlag alone involved in touring that intensely would be enough to make someone nuts.

[@DanMonaghan-y5q]

Consider the prevalence of bipolar and other disorders amongst artists. Touring is uniquely designed to push all those buttons.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

The only members of the band who were friends were Robert & Bonzo who grew up together. Jimmy & JPJ were "professional friends" from all the session work they had done together over the years. Jones also had many friends in the US so when they toured, and after gigs, Jones typically left to hang out and stay with those friends' post-gig, then Jones would meet the band at the hotel for the next gig.

[@Loskov-my3xw]

Jones was gay and it was well known he would take in the local cruising spots in each city.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

@@Loskov-my3xw You are a moron.

[@bluemoon-20]

Good for Jonesy for making that well deserved remark directed at Plant and Page at the Rock Hall Induction. Over the years I've so grown to appreciate his amazing skills and talent; he truly was Zep's "Secret Weapon". Btw, when describing how Page put the talent of Zep together, it should have been mentioned that Page and Jones went back years together, both as in-demand session musicians who often worked together, such as for Donovan.

[@luckycharm4623]

In the late 60's and thru the 70's rock became so dominate in western culture that it wasn't unusual for popular bands to sell out large arenas and even sports stadiums, this level of rock music popularity had never been seen before or since (outside of The Beatles who quite touring after 2 years). This "supernova" of popularity led to a "gold rush" mentality, a mountain of money to be made not only from the bands albums, but from their touring dates. This was a staggering amount of money on the whole that the music industry had never seen before. So a huge amount of pressure was there to make bands continually create albums AND perform huge tours all over the world. It's very difficult to be a creative artist when being asked to constantly produce albums on a schedule, human beings aren't robots, and inspiration and energy are vital to creating brilliant music. To take these artists and put them on the road constantly which wears a person down physically and mentally, and then to demand that they now have 4 weeks to create another masterpiece album is just absurd on its face. Yet somehow Zep was able to do this for a decade. But the price that they would pay for this life was right there in the last few years with Page and Bonham becoming dependent on narcotics and alcohol to get thru tours and eventually their everyday lives. Page on those last 2 tours was emaciated, I was shocked to see how much weight he had lost and his skin tone was pale and clammy at times from his heroin addiction. Page's playing suffered tremendously from his deteriorating health. Bonham's health suffered as well becoming overweight, depressed and his drumming became inconsistent near the end veering between brilliant to playing bored. The reason John Henry Bonham died before that '80 American tour is that he drank himself to death....but why? Because he was being asked to do things he could no longer take. In the end it was peer pressure from Peter Grant and possibly the band as well that eventually forced Bonham to agree to another long tour in North America away from his Wife, children and farm. John suffered from depression and loneliness while on the road and living in motels where all there was to do was party, play your show, and sleep. He wasn't a 20 something kid anymore, this was a grown man with a family and his addictions were getting the best of him. I only wish John had been able to tell the band I can't go out on the road right now, or I will tour but it has to be a 2 week on and 2 week off type schedule. Nope not in the greedy music industry where dollars always came before the health and well being of the music artist.

[@doctordetroit4339]

Elvis died of the same thing.....so did MJ. All of them. The road is not a friend to health.

[@toranada]

Good synopsis

[@chrisdurcan4673]

You’re right. I imagine little importance was really placed on any band’s mental wellbeing back then. Success, fame, and wealth mean very little if you are away from the people you love and care for, for months on end. The guys would have all been in the same boat, so who comforts who? That’s when alcohol, drugs, sex, etc, can so easily be sought to try to numb the feelings of depression. It’s all a temporary solution though, because the deep feelings of depression are still there. Any you are still thousands of miles from home. LZ were young guys back then, meant to cope with everything that months on the road and working so hard threw at them. Despite this, they have achieved so much, and left many of us with the soundtrack to our lifetimes.

[@jimo3173]

Usually, the bands that stay together the longest are the ones where the members are more like co-workers and don't socialize much outside of work.

[@deansusec8745]

not really. RUSH are best friends.

[@jimo3173]

@@deansusec8745 Even if that's so, it's one isolated case, the exception to the rule. That's not most cases.

[@thomasborger6548]

That is true in real life as well, there are folks I've worked with over 20 years that I enjoy working with, I socialize with only a few of them.

[@stickman1742]

Seems to me that it would be unhealthy for a group to work together and then hang out together all the time too. Don't know why people find it strange that band members don't hang out all the time when they're not working with each other. They spend so much time travelling together as it is.

[@jimo3173]

@@stickman1742 Exactly.

[@DrRock2009]

It’s like being married multiple ways. No wonder groups fight and break up. Add in their youth and inexperience with life and relationships….🤷‍♂️

[@zenos.5315]

Don’t forget DRUGS,ALCOHOL, #1 reason for band breakups.

[@jamsb100]

And huge $$$

[@antithug7942]

JPJ also wrote the riff to Black Dog. He was a huge contributor to their music and sound. He also was a producer. I got to see them 5 times. '71 '73 '75 and back to back shows in '77. All in Dallas, Tx. The guitar in my photo is my 1959 2009 50th Anniv.Les Paul standard. Yeah, I'm a huge fan.

[@w.harrison7277]

They were in Dallas every two years? I don't know how I never saw them in Denver but I was 15 in '75 so I didn't know anything. But I did see Pink Floyd DSOTM tour, and Grand Funk Railroad, and Elton John at his creative peak.

[@beatlesrgear]

I play Jimmy's parts on a Tele, a Strat, and a PRS Orianthi model. I tried to get on with a Les Paul, bit I just couldn't feel comfortable with it. Closest I ever came is when I played Izzy Stradlin's 1971 Les Paul and a real 1960 Les Paul (I didn't get to keep either 😢).

[@WrongStanceProductions]

Where in Dallas?

[@timmotel5804]

Very Cool. I'm 72 and a drummer since 1963. Best Regards

[@doctordetroit4339]

He created the music for Kashmir. Which is the equivalent of Hotel California for the Eagles. If he didn't write another piece of music, he would be known for that forever.

[@ellebrook3413]

You could maybe relate LZ dynamics to a team at work : the leader (Page) does the fancy presentations yet knows there's a quieter member onboard with a lot of technical skill who can see right through him (JPJ) . Then there's the two younger, less experienced members initially intimidated by the other 2, but nonetheless integral. One is intelligent and charismatic with strong presentational ability (Plant), the other extremely skilled yet prone to recklessness (Bonham). Yet the leader still wants to lead and the quiet one ponders if he wouldn't be happier in another company....but enjoys the salary of the current job. One day, the reckless team member leaves forever and they realize they'll never get the same vibe with a new member. The leader/charismatic ones form their own company for a while and the quiet one is free to work exactly as he wants. Over the years they occasionally meet up and share some nostalgic memories, but have their own family, friends, interests and work and no desire to be team members again.

[@PeterM1-qx1tz]

Dude, that was a brilliant summation. Nice work!!

[@GoldTop57]

The close friends dynamic only seemed to work for Rush. 40+ years as best friends without major blowups. Amazing

[@henrymunoz5454]

Zep is pure magic. Saw Robert Plant last year at the Palms in Vegas. He is a presence .Plant would sing some old Zeppelin tunes and the crowd would go insane. At 59 I crank it up when driving.

[@Philip_LasVegas]

June 14 2023 at the Palms I was there too. And not disappointed

[@brown22sugar25]

@@Philip_LasVegas1 year later June 14th, 2024 I saw him in Toledo, OH (yesterday)

[@PaulFormentos]

Pure MAGICK

[@michaelstephen819]

WOW - now that's something brand new! A successful partnership goes through difficulties sometimes. Thank you for enlightening the world to that!

[@leftylou6070]

Wake up, and smell the bacon!

[@annephillips8494]

The Rover Bass line. and many more💓🙏💌Thanks Jonesy.😘🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@Lincoln12933]

JPJ was the only decent guy in the whole Led Zeppelin operation. And the best musician.

[@jamesjoslin7586]

Hes also been married to the same woman for over 50 years.

[@Nigel-ry1po]

any of these guys are more DECENT than most, except when partying

[@HelloSpyMyLie]

Ridiculous, uninformed comment. But he is fantastic, yes

[@Nigel-ry1po]

@@HelloSpyMyLie don't believe it no band, I said NO BAND on that level has members that don't like each other it's common sense maybe s 'bar band' we have to agree to disagree you're talking one of the MOST INFORMED you're probably the type that likes to argue, I call them WOMEN

[@Nigel-ry1po]

I don't argue with monkeys

[@GeorgeSmiley77]

Page, Plant & Jones were doing a TV interview when the interviewer asked how they'd got along with other bands during their heyday. Jones, who'd remained silent till that point, immediately said, _"Other bands? There were _*_other_*_ bands??"_ looking faux-mystified.

[@heliotropezzz333]

I think Robert Plant might have thought they were friends until his son died in 1977 and only John Bonham, his fellow Midlander, came to the funeral. That shocked him into the realisation that 'they're just businessmen'.

[@mattsweeny3957]

Holy Shit..is that true??

[@stevewilcock4767]

That's explosive. Are you sure?

[@mattsweeny3957]

I don't think I'd ever talk to those blokes again..that's COLD

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@mattsweeny3957 It's true. I'm absolutely certain.

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@stevewilcock4767 It's well known.

[@buddyvilla7393]

Before Led Zeppelin John was a session musician. He played on many Walker Brothers Songs even though Scott could play bass. John Entwhistle loved the sound of those early Walker Brothers (the Bass sounds) that he searched all over London to find the same type of strings that JPJ had on his own Bass used for The Walker Brothers Recordings.

[@heidiho3089]

This band blows my mind over and over and over.

[@mang5110]

Sooo true！！！！

[@01sapphireGTS]

This is sad, but I understand it. Thank gawd they were able to put on vinyl what they did. It was rock magic ~

[@neilforehand1121]

Bonham and Plant were actually friends!

[@beatlesrgear]

True. They came from the Kidderminster area and were both in The Band of Joy.

[@beatlesrgear]

JPJ & Jimmy Page played together many times on various artists' songs in the studio. They knew each other pretty well and that's why Jimmy brought JPJ on board first when forming Zeppelin.

[@deanbriss10]

@@beatlesrgear I read it was JPJ's wife who insisted he call Page.

[@doctordetroit4339]

Yes, but unlike Jones they let fame go to their heads. They were both green kids.....Jones and Page were serious pros.

[@hughjass1044]

Was it implied somewhere that they weren't?

[@GeosRealTalk]

From the outside every profession or jobs seems like a dream job yet often is a soul crushing endeavor.

[@robertglisson6319]

If one goes through the list of the top bands of the 70s and 80s, one would be hard-pressed to find ANY band that didn't have incredible friction within the band. Off the top of my head, Rush is one of the few whose members actually got along well. Most of them, from The Beatles, Cream, CCR, and the Jimi Hendrix, through ELP, Yes, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, the Police, Van Halen and so many others, there were wars between the members...

[@bradcrosier1332]

Good example, and even there, they tended to go their own way to some extent between tours and recording - particularly Neil. Geddy and Alex truly are childhood friends, and thus see to socialize together more. Even in his books, Neil (obviously fondly) refers to them as “the guys at work. No doubt that balance and time apart (after their early years) helped them to remain band mates and friends all the years.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

Few really care about Rush outside North America. They were never and are still not a household name around the rest of the world.

[@toranada]

Out of the friction, the contrast, the creative channel is found. E.g, Tyler and Perry

[@stickman1742]

Generally it seems the Zeppelin members get along better than most. They may not be best friends, but they all are polite and seem to get along ok while other bands have members at each others' throats.

[@don.richard8823]

Led Zeppelin ..The Best Rock Band Ever! 🦾🎙️🎸🥁

[@Owlstretchingtime78]

Led Zeppelin ..The band who had theft down to a fine art. How can that possibly make them the greatest band ever. No question mark, as it's purely rhetorical!

[@jayclarke6671]

@@Owlstretchingtime78 a typical jealous Beatles fan aren't you?! Rip off artists is a broken record for you c···!

[@lindamoore6163]

@@Owlstretchingtime78oh bs! All artists are influenced and borrow here & there from everyone. FACT

[@lamnuck]

@@Owlstretchingtime78 Zep's music has been the most enjoyable to listen to out of the rest, I could give a frick what Page stole

[@Owlstretchingtime78]

@@lindamoore6163 Not quite at Zeppelin's level.

[@jonvia]

Bonzo will always be my favorite drummer. I'll never forget the first time I heard a Zeppelin song and his thunderous drum grooves.

[@justicegusting2476]

“Bonham had technique, but he couldn’t swing a sack of shit.” ~~Ginger Baker~~

[@michaelthornburg2491]

Bonhams drums on When the levee breaks will never be duplicated by nobody period.

[@ACDZ123]

Bill ward was a beast 💪

[@thomasborger6548]

​@@michaelthornburg2491 I especially like Bonham's work on Kashmir **Live at Knebworth

[@craigpierce7996]

Their separation largely translated into their greatness. Each of the players were profoundly confident in what they were doing, and it blended magically into the sound they created. Each of them knew, they could kick ass in their craft! The road is a tough gig, it eventually wears all out...

[@pablomalaga4676]

I've never Heard any piece from JPJ solo

[@islesanctum833]

Despite their human shortcomings We can all celebrate just how well the DID work well and give thanks for the treasures they left for us to enjoy for centuries Thank you lads !!!

[@5tar5z]

LZ was very fortunate to have great management, unlike Deep Purple who were worked to death. Peter Grant took care of LZ. He did a great job.

[@kennysowers953]

Peter Grant I have read on more than one occasion was a bully and crook who ripped them off.

[@5tar5z]

@@kennysowers953 interesting. I never heard about that before. I’ll have to look it up. Thanks. I was basing it on the amount of touring and pressure of releasing records that DP’s management had on them. It was truly a mess. Ruined the band.

[@gsMuzak]

​@@kennysowers953 Ripped them off? How? Making them the richest musicians at the time? Grant was the best manager you could have at the time, musicians loved him. On the other hand, if you were a pub owner in LA in '69 and you didn't want to pay them after playing a gig? Surely, you would have ended up with both legs crooked.

[@calsurflance5598]

Every work place has personality conflicts. I’ve never had a boss give me a Lamborghini to coax me back to work! I needed to feed and house my family so I went to work! 😳

[@johnferrarini2626]

Friends or not they are the greatest rock band of all times bar none

[@SelectCircle]

One of. Not the.

[@JoelBrousseau]

Greatest cover band of all time

[@hwearrow]

You wanted to say bar none , excepting The Beatles of course. Which that is right.

[@SelectCircle]

@@hwearrow The consensus now is that the Beatles were a pop band - not a rock band. If you're going to write pop music you have to know the Beatles. If rock - not so much. And in fact you hear a lot of the Beatles in pop music even now - and probably forever. But in rock - kinda none. Beatles-obsessed Oasis pushed the boundaries - but still you gotta call them pop. This idea seems to be holding up. The Beatles weren't rock.

[@saifonlawrence2044]

4 dudes from a far far greater galaxy than our own.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

Nah they were from England. Jimmy Page grew up just around the corner from me. Epsom isn't a galaxy far far away. It's at the end of the 166 bus route 😝

[@faithpearlgenied-a5517]

I from near when Robert Plant was from. It's only England 😉 nothing special.

[@hyacinthlynch843]

JPJ was Zeppelin's secret weapon.

[@promark5317]

Why would you hang out with people when you're taking a rest from touring with them? On tour you're together for months at a stretch. They were obviously friends. I think the hundreds of pictures and videos of them laughing, dancing and joking together illustrates that they were friends. 10 years ago, Plant said they were his soul brothers referring to JPJ and jimmy. Plant and Bonzo were much closer since they grew up around the same area and were in bands together before Zeppelin. People look way too much at JPJ's sardonic quip at the hall of fame. Jonesy was just busting balls. It's what friends do. Thats why Robert gave Jonesy a wry smile after he said it. They couldn't include Jonesy because he was recording music at the time plus they would've had to call themselves Led Zeppelin, which defeats the whole purpose of breaking up to protect the band's integrity and to show respect to a former member who just so happened to be the greatest rock drummer who ever lived.

[@andreinamarchini7432]

I agree, in my opinion Jones is the most introverted and therefore difficult to make friends with. The MTV project was proposed to Plant who already had his own band which included his bass guitarist son-in-law. He took the opportunity to reunite with Page. He knew very well that it would work and it did. He would never have hypothesized about an LZ reunion without Bonzo, except in very rare cases, as we know, but nothing new.

[@Lollygagger-k4p]

As a drummer in the 70-80s, I saw what I can only describe as fueds between rival egos - or, like having all your ex-girlfriends in the room at once. Artists have always been emotionally triggered. It has to be in order to produce the expression we all like and admire. Doesn't matter if it's playing paino, guitar - or oil painting - or acting, the latter of which has produced some the most eccentric people I have ever seen.

[@DURecords]

Word. And the latter of which I also cannot seem to tolerate listening to them talk about their craft. Just can't get into it. As much as I admire them.

[@Grodd70]

Excellent comment. I have always said that music is the hardest form of artistic expression. As a painter, sculptor your the deciding factor. Actors are at least hired to follow a script under direction of a director. Musicians are like having four painters trying to paint a masterpiece. Granted, when all the push, pulls and shoves get it right, it's amazing.

[@toranada]

@@Grodd70great analogy!

[@charlesrforman664]

John Paul Jones, was the smart, disaplined one 🎵☮️🎶

[@BoneyMB]

What the difference whether there were friends or not. Most important what they did and create and gave to the world.

[@Valtrach]

Super interesting and well made doc. Thank you for your time and work.

[@AlexAlcyone]

really? in my view this channel will make you stupider.

[@time8871]

A lot of talented people don't have a lot of friends, they hone their craft in solitude. "The more powerful and original a mind, the more it will incline towards the religion of solitude." - Aldous Huxley

[@SelectCircle]

Lesson: Don't form a band with anyone smart in it. : D

[@anxiousappliance]

Don't think it works that way in music. Maybe in writing or something like that.

[@ianstuart5660]

​@anxiousappliance It can definitely work in Music. There are loads of solo musicians! They work independently and hire mates for concerts and recording sessions as needed!

[@WilliamHerlihy-p4g]

Did i miss the part where JPJ talks about being in Led Zeppelin?

[@DavidOHara-t4b]

To any Zeppelin fan , john Paul Jones is an integral part of the band , and a musical genius. Too many others owe him a great deal. A true giant of rock . Amen.

[@dpall38]

“…….The harsh realities of life in a rock band.” I am sure it was a drag being in Led Zeppelin. The fame and fortune and women. Unbearable. I am glad I had the pleasure of manual labor for minimum wage with complete anonymity. None of the headaches of buying my own castle. I was blessed.

[@PeterM1-qx1tz]

Mate, your heaven is somebody else's hell.

[@danielgabalski2312]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@daveribbons3050]

😂😂😂😂

[@faithpearlgenied-a5517]

That WOULD be a drag after a while though. At first it would be exciting, then it would become the norm and start to be exhausting and as boring as anything else that you do every single day. That's why that lifestyle never lasts long. Your jealousy over their money and fame is silly. Those things aren't everythobg, be grateful for what you DO have. I bet you've had more peace and stability in your life than they have.

[@dpall38]

@@faithpearlgenied-a5517 Wow thats a bit harsh. I am not jealous and I am not silly, I am just pointing out that life in Led Zeppelin was not a “harsh reality”. Being a homeless veteran living on the streets or a woman in an abusive relationship is a harsh reality. Having to pave roads in Las Vegas in August or working three jobs for low wages to feed your family is a harsh reality. Living with an incurable disease or struggling to pay medical bills is a harsh reality. Being famous after you set out to be famous is not harsh, its success. I don’t want their fame or fortune but I also don’t feel sorry for the situation they got themselves into. As for my life I am doing just fine thank you.

[@stephenjones8928]

Thank you for a measured, fair, honest, telling and truthful perspective about being a professional musician when riding the high wave. No click-bait title, no celebrity worship, no crushing disappointment; just a sobering view of reality as John Paul Jones Talks About Being In Led Zeppelin.

[@jimmysapien9961]

A great Musician

[@quincee3376]

JPJ, Geddy Lee and John Entwistle!!! My favourite bass players.

[@zenwave5272]

The sequence at 0:37 drives me crazy - it's exactly what always happens to Jonesy (and most bassists) "He recruited Robert Plant (footage of Plant), John Bonham (footage of Bonzo) and Jone Paul Jones (footage of.... JIMMY PAGE!)... arrggghhhh!

[@scotniver7180]

Whatever it takes.. Now their music is a timeless work of Art. I'm grateful they stuck it out.

[@user-mad7max11dystopia]

Choices. I worked 44 years and nobody ever bought me a car. I wasn’t socializing with coworkers after the workdays ended so I don’t feel sorry for guys living in f***ing castles. I get that it would be warm and fuzzy if they were buddies who never got tired of each other but it’s not realistic. The average Joe spends more waking time with coworkers than with family. I love music but never would have wanted the lifestyle. Fame ruined so many lives, from Elvis to Prince to Michael Jackson to Britney, etc

[@Demention94]

The chemistry in their music said otherwise.... never knew this...well thanks for some of the best bass JPJ... ✌️

[@jimbrennan1181]

Led Zeppelin did not emerge from the remnants of The Yardbirds. That's just verbose nonsense. Jimmy Page, who'd replaced Jeff Beck (who'd replaced Eric Clapton) was simply the last guitarist before the breakup in July 1968 - no other members of The Yardbirds were involved in Led Zeppelin.

[@dalehood1846]

The Yardbirds were still a band long after that. Keith Relf was electrocuted in 1977 in his basement trying to play his guitar.

[@WaitingtoHit]

You don’t know what the word “verbose” means.

[@BoHorn]

Jimmy inherited the band, not sure why you want to over analyze it, even back then a band isnt just a name hence being left with an empty group he had to recruit.

[@andreinamarchini7432]

The Yardbirds had signed concert contracts for 1968. Tensions were high because they had not previously received compensation, one by one they dropped out. Only Page remained who, with the help of Peter Grant (hired in recent months as YB's manager) put together new elements, Jones, Plant and Bonham. The new band was called the New Yardbirds and was financed entirely by Page, the only one with the money, thanks to his lucrative gig as a session musician. They started like this but shortly after they had to change the name and took on that of Led Zeppelin.

[@amess0stuff89]

JPJ was not friendly post tour (3 or 4 months of everyone in your face will do that) however if you ever notice the 100's of images showing Led Zeppelin laughing with each for 12 years then you may get a clue. Friction during the mid-late 70's? John Paul Jones temporarily quit LZ around 1974. Keep clicking.

[@jorgesuarez7073]

It's so funny all these people whining about Led Zeppelin stealing other people's songs. If you think that, do the same thing. Form a band, steal all your material, sell over three hundred million albums, go year after year on sold out tours and become the greatest rock band ever. All that with supposedly stolen material. It's easy, people, right?

[@peekonsandy2773]

Doesn't change the fact the Zeppelin borrowed heavily from others.

[@bornagainbornagain6697]

I am sure some stuff was used, but to be fair even baroque musicians in classical used each others melodies, riffs, patterns, what ever you want to call the sequence of notes. I can hear it in many examples. But they all expanded with their own additions too. There is only so many notes in western music and sooner or later you are going to repeat different phrases if not just because of influence and being in the back of your head, but because some of them are so good that they are like a blueprint to building a song. And many times Zep gave the credit to the original composer in the footnotes. I have a question, how many rock bands copied Zep????? A shitload and for good reasons. Once again a fine example of THE blueprint for some of the finest rock ever in my opinion. Never gets old it seams.

[@bornagainbornagain6697]

@@peekonsandy2773 I'm glad that they did.

[@djrychlak4443]

Hendrix was right about LZ

[@bowlingball99lb45]

Good for led zep . . . good for vh

[@randallanderson1632]

When it comes to bygone rock bands, I've always wondered how they managed individual paychecks. Did Bill Wyman get paid the same amount as Keith Richards? Did John Paul Jones get the same pay as Jimmy Page for a concert tour? If not, how and perhaps the better question is, _who_ determined individual pay?

[@SelectCircle]

It was all negotiated - and the terms were always changing. I want more. You accept less or adios. CCR's changing dynamics are instructive. We want the same that you're getting. Like hell!

[@doctordetroit4339]

The writers of songs make money.....everyone else gets a pittance. But when you are with the Stones....a pittance is still millions.

[@rdhudon7469]

JPJ was Zeps secret sauce. A musicians , musician . It is said he was the only one who could tell Bonham when his drumming sucked without getting punch in the face . Lol

[@birdy9922]

Title correction... "YOU talking about John Paul Jones being in Led Zeppelin"

[@w.harrison7277]

I still look at Led Zeppelin footage with the same awe as I feel when looking at the Beatles and Elvis. It fascinates me how drugs and alcohol play a role in the lives of the rich and famous. Why would you need them if you're "the Kings", as Lennon said. Its like the billionaire from Irvine busted with keys of coke and meth: Since anyone could take drugs then what is the point of your achievement? The point of being rich and famous is that you don't need drugs and alcohol to have the greatest times: The greatest experiences, the greatest sex partners, the greatest food, the greatest friends. Why spoil your life with a fake high when you're the king? I don't get that.

[@SillyGoose2024]

Well, because you're focusing on the external. The "kings" and all of that. Drug use comes from the internal. Regardless of how famous a person is, we all make decisions with 2 factors at the root: achieving pleasure or avoiding pain. Billy Joel almost committed suicide when he was starting in music. Brittany Spears cut her hair off at the height of her great fame. They were all trying to cope with enormous stress that comes with publicity or trying to "make it." They were trying to avoid pain or achieve even higher levels of pleasure.

[@Dave-Rough-Diamond-Dunn]

You say that like you don't think John Lennon took shitloads of LSD and smoked heaps of dope!

[@doctordetroit4339]

Because when you are on top of the world....the only way to go is higher. You must understand ego. Then all makes sense.

[@stickman1742]

A lot of these guys take drugs to keep going. With the touring and constant travel, these guys need a little help to get them thru the next gig. Then once they become rich, they're already hooked.

[@Nigel-ry1po]

NIGEL in Canada🇨🇦 Peter Grant said to 'Pagey' , 'You know ? Jack Bruce is available ? and he sings?" the genius James Page said, 'i'me sticking with that guy i met in the studio, he's wanting to try something with me' BULLSHIT these guys didnt like eachother

[@Yardbird68]

It is/was quite obvious that Zep were NOT very close mates, when Plant's son Karac died in 1977, ONLY Bonham offered him support and even went to the funeral. And that Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, and Grant declined to appear at Karac's funeral, definitely shows their TRUE colors.

[@mattsweeny3957]

That's unforgivable

[@NelsonRiverosMusic]

Where is there proof of this?

[@stickman1742]

It has been said that they thought Plant would want some space and time with his family. I don't like to attack people on things like this without knowing all the reasons going into it. I guess Plant wasn't happy about it though so maybe they should have talked with him ahead of time.

[@Yardbird68]

@@NelsonRiverosMusic Do the research yourself. It is REALLY not that hard to find it. All you got to do is a word search using"Karac Plant".

[@Yardbird68]

@@mattsweeny3957 Dam right.

[@tommyboyce]

I met JPJ in Christchurch, NZ once. He'd been at my band's show. He was such a lovely bloke.

[@Taylor.Dude.]

Jimmy Page said the same thing. They didn't have major fights because when they weren't touring or making albums, they were at home, not hanging out with each other.

[@kato64]

I’ve worked with plenty of people over my adult life who I get along well with at work who I never socialized with outside of the workplace. Not necessarily a bad thing. Particularly in a band. I honestly think it’s a good deal of what contributed to the breakup of The Beatles. They were in each other’s faces practically 24/7/365 for years on end. Personally I think time apart is good for members of a band.

[@duane8829]

Some voice talks about John Paul Jones talking?

[@edwinwise6751]

He was a huge piece of that sound and I’m not sure there was another guy played bass at that level

[@thomasborger6548]

For me if there was to be a list Jack Bruce would be on it.

[@lancyfer]

Title should actually be - Some Guy Talks About What John Paul Jones MIGHT Have Said - (and some other unsubstantiated claims) CLICK BAIT.

[@sword-and-shield]

Creating music and Playing music live IS flat out family. The amount of time required for both together, is far more than the average family spends around each other.

[@jaybee9269]

Definitely.

[@BrianOates]

Fans like to imagine how things would be if Led Zeppelin still remained as a band if Bonham lived. This video shows what many of us knew when they were around in the 1970s. Bonham developed an intense addiction to alcohol to escape life on the road and the pressures of touring, Page became a heroin addict and took years to get healthy again, Plant was injured in a motorcycle accident and wanted to take time off from the band to heal. The reality of Led Zeppelin is different than the hype and fantasy of listening to their early albums, they were changing their sound and Presence and In Through the Out Door were not the artistic smashes that the earlier albums were. There were many signs in their behavior while touring that they weren’t going to last much longer as a band. They were very focused in making good songs in their early albums but they were sometimes disappointing in their live shows, many of my older friends that saw them in the 1970s said it was their least favorite concert. In the mid 1970s Jimmy Page went on stage high and it messed with their ability to play the songs well, they had good and bad concerts but they weren’t consistently good.

[@lyndoncmp5751]

There was no hype about Led Zeppelin. It was word of mouth. Hype was for The Beatles and Stones etc. Even the bloody Osmonds. Never with Zeppelin.

[@BeatleRick84]

Who knows what would have happened in the 80s. No one was there to help Bonham or Jimmy.Now they have therapists. If anybody knows Metallica hired someone to talk about their feelings and how to deal with them in certain situations.No bands had that back then.The song Wearing and Tearing was a sign of the 80s. I have no freaking idea why it wasn’t released. Would have been the final track on In through the Outdoor.

[@sentimentalbloke185]

By the time of their last 2 albums they were somewhat passe with younger audiences due to the advent of punk & new wave which was a deliberate counterpoint to 'overblown' acts like Zeppelin, Floyd, prog rock etc. Popular music moved quickly on in those days. Of course history has proved them to be as great as their fans thought them to be in the earlier days but their changed sound was a response to changing tastes & whether, had Bonham not died & the band continued, they could've been as relevant in the '80s is hard to guess. Probably not. On balance it was best that they quit when they did, it added to the mystique.

[@BeatleRick84]

@@sentimentalbloke185 when In through the Outdoor was released I’m surprised it went to number 1 and sold over 2 million as I’ve read. Disco was big at that time.The music was way different compared to their previous albums. To me I love In through the Outdoor.

[@BrianOates]

@@lyndoncmp5751 I graduated high school in 1982, I remember the FM rock radio station disc jockeys waxing poetic and mythologizing rumors about LZ everyday. There was constant talk about Jimmy Page being into “black magic,” rumors about how they destroyed hotel rooms on tour, gossip about their backstage antics, constant over analysis of their lyrics, people accusing them of hiding messages by playing their songs backwards, etc. The music industry planted rumors about all their popular bands. LED Zeppelin had a well oiled hype machine which resulted in bands that came after them trying to out do their legendary reputation. As a guitarist in a local rock band I saw other bands trying to copy the way they looked from magazine articles and behaving onstage like they thought Jimmy Page and Robert Plant acted and dressed. The local FM stations played LZ much more regularly than any other bands when they were popular and still do now as Classic Rock stations. I remember the over saturation of the airwaves every time they had a new album, that’s PR hype done by record company reps.

[@slicksmith856]

1977 at MSG I remember it well, still have the ticket stub and Swan Song pin.

[@jeromedeparis]

They were office colleagues.

[@johnsmith-yk8by]

well stated. well structured you have made this really human and made the complexity something we can more easily see. good coverage & real keep doing this kind of work.

[@vince5348]

It's funny, JPJ says not hanging out together kept the band together longer. I always thought that if they had been genuine friends (like Mick and Keith), despite differences, they would have lasted longer. All in all, Led Zeppelin were together for only about 12 years. Then again, the Beatles were only together for about 8 years. But they sure created a lot of great music during their short lifespans.

[@sieteocho]

The Beatles were together closer to 12 years if it's Lennon, McCartney and Harrison. Ringo was the last of the fab 4 to join. Led Zeppelin weren't meant to last. They were supposed to be a group of session musicians thrown together, like the bebop jazz groups. I wonder why rock bands have to be rock bands and not jazz ensembles who play until they've had enough, and then regroup.

[@sicotshit7068]

The reason Led Zeppelin didn’t last longer, was the death of Bonham.

[@cd3949]

No Bonham, no Zeppelin.

[@rickbort7875]

Sure, Jagger and Richards have known each other since they were little kids, and for awhile best buddies, but that hasn't been the case for years. Even though they are brothers in a way, they are primarily business associates. Keith admits he hasn't been social with Mick in decades.

[@sicotshit7068]

@@rickbort7875 hell even to much time spent with family, you love can be to much, everyone needs you time..

[@darylsavoie7472]

Jones, like Garth Hudson in The Band, was the secret weapon. Without those two in their respective bands, the music would not have reached the pinnacle it did.

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

"Performing live is the lifeblood of any rock band." Something so many bands don't understand today. Not even Zeppelin made much on record sales. It's always during the tour. So many today (and even Prince when alive) are crying about the business model they don't understand. The record company promotes and keeps a large percentage of the record sales. The band benefits by keeping the tour money. Zeppelin, The Stones, Floyd, all of the classic bands became mega-rich by putting in the REAL work of what it means to be band.

[@Stratman1512]

@@Tyrell_Corp2019 won’t let me reply there so reply here -I never asked you to name a few other guitarists, I was was saying if you knew anything about the blues, specifically about any of the innovators of blues-rock you would know about the some of the blues-rock guitarists I named before. As you don’t. Your a Fake Tyrell-yeah now all of a sudden your a composer for film. You’re original pro LZ-(and nothing but incorrect anti) Clapton comments alone prove very strongly towards that you’re a troll n a fake . And every Clapton comment you made you made incorrectly, Also your Stravinsky also played the pentatonic-Idiot. And “Mr. classical composer for movies” at the same time you learned from a guy who taught Muddy Waters omg but you put down the pentatonic scale. . Sure. The pentatonic scale also heavily influenced modern classical music. And Stravinsky’s use of the octatonic scale would be the first thing you would see on the Internet. And you insult Slowhand for writing a song about his fallen son which you got the decade wrong. And you got the year wrong even after I corrected you. it wasn’t the 80s after I corrected you, then not 91 it WAS 1992! In wonderful tonight (agreed a lousy song) which you called “ you look Lovely” lol. If you don’t know the name of that song you’re definitely some 20 something year-old or younger. troll. And Clapton did not write the song Cocaine J.J CALE did. First & I have no idea what you commented about Cream- made no sense at all. You Fake you take 15 minutes to get back to every comment. As you’re obviously reading everything you say off the Internet. And despite you reading off the Internet, you still misread much of what you say. Then when I said BB King was not his biggest influence you come back with saying Robert Johnson was, Clapton‘s biggest influence. Every 10 year-old knows Clapton‘s idol was Robert Johnson. And as far as electric guitar goes BB was a big influence on Clapton (what’s wrong with that?) 😂 what did you put down something like simplistic Pentatonix again. Freddie King was even a slightly bigger influence, on a young Clapton than BB. And now all of a sudden,you compose for film. Yeah And I wrote Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony. 🤪 And you put down the Pentatonic scale (or as you put it) “pretty basic for a guitar teacher” it’s the most important scale in blues or rock! & I never said I only teach pentatonic scales. Actually I never told you anything about my teaching. If you were a film composer, you wouldn’t put down guitar teachers, Mr. uppity. Actually there’s no way if you really were a film composer would you put down Eric Clapton‘s musicianship! Next you’re gonna say you composed killers of the flower moon. No that was Robbie Robertson another guitarist you wouldn’t know. My original point was you know nothing about Clapton then my secondary point was you know nothing about the blues or really specifically the innovators of blues-rock guitar. My third point was you know nothing about music. Each time I said you don’t know about something. Your answers got more intricate , and your words got more Bombastic, at the same time you kept making yourself more n more important with each comment. Can’t believe I spent an hour arguing with a troll. And all you did was copy and pasted techniques that Igor Stravinsky & Bernard Herrmann used.

[@Stratman1512]

@@Tyrell_Corp2019 never asked you to name a few other guitarists, I was was saying if you knew anything about the blues, specifically about any of the innovators of blues-rock you would know about the some of the blues-rock guitarists I named before. As you don’t. Your a Fake Tyrell-yeah now all of a sudden your a composer for film. You’re original pro LZ-(and nothing but incorrect anti) Clapton comments alone prove very strongly towards that you’re a troll n a fake . And every Clapton comment you made you made incorrectly, Also your Stravinsky also played the pentatonic-Idiot. And “Mr. classical composer for movies” at the same time you learned from a guy who taught Muddy Waters omg but you put down the pentatonic scale. . Sure. The pentatonic scale also heavily influenced modern classical music. And Stravinsky’s use of the octatonic scale would be the first thing you would see on the Internet. And you insult Slowhand for writing a song about his fallen son which you got the decade wrong. And you got the year wrong even after I corrected you. it wasn’t the 80s after I corrected you, then not 91 it WAS 1992! In wonderful tonight (agreed a lousy song) which you called “ you look Lovely” lol. If you don’t know the name of that song you’re definitely some 20 something year-old or younger. troll. And Clapton did not write the song Cocaine J.J CALE did. First & I have no idea what you commented about Cream- made no sense at all. You Fake you take 15 minutes to get back to every comment. As you’re obviously reading everything you say off the Internet. And despite you reading off the Internet, you still misread much of what you say. Then when I said BB King was not his biggest influence you come back with saying Robert Johnson was, Clapton‘s biggest influence. Every 10 year-old knows Clapton‘s idol was Robert Johnson. And as far as electric guitar goes BB was a big influence on Clapton (what’s wrong with that?) 😂 what did you put down something like simplistic Pentatonix again. Freddie King was even a slightly bigger influence, on a young Clapton than BB. And now all of a sudden,you compose for film. Yeah And I wrote Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony. 🤪 And you put down the Pentatonic scale (or as you put it) “pretty basic for a guitar teacher” it’s the most important scale in blues or rock! & I never said I only teach pentatonic scales. Actually I never told you anything about my teaching. If you were a film composer, you wouldn’t put down guitar teachers, Mr. uppity. Actually there’s no way if you really were a film composer would you put down Eric Clapton‘s musicianship! Next you’re gonna say you composed killers of the flower moon. No that was Robbie Robertson another guitarist you wouldn’t know. My original point was you know nothing about Clapton then my secondary point was you know nothing about the blues or really specifically the innovators of blues-rock guitar. My third point was you know nothing about music. Each time I said you don’t know about something. Your answers got more intricate , and your words got more Bombastic, at the same time you kept making yourself more n more important with each comment. Can’t believe I spent an hour arguing with a troll. And all you did was copy and pasted techniques that Igor Stravinsky & Bernard Herrmann used.

[@Stratman1512]

@@Tyrell_Corp2019 never asked you to name a few other guitarists, I was was saying if you knew anything about the blues, specifically about any of the innovators of blues-rock you would know about the some of the blues-rock guitarists I named before. As you don’t. Your a Fake Tyrell-yeah now all of a sudden your a composer for film. You’re original pro LZ-(and nothing but incorrect anti) Clapton comments alone prove very strongly towards that you’re a troll n a fake . And every Clapton comment you made you made incorrectly, Also your Stravinsky also played the pentatonic-Idiot. And “Mr. classical composer for movies” at the same time you learned from a guy who taught Muddy Waters omg but you put down the pentatonic scale. . Sure. The pentatonic scale also heavily influenced modern classical music. And Stravinsky’s use of the octatonic scale would be the first thing you would see on the Internet. And you insult Slowhand for writing a song about his fallen son which you got the decade wrong. And you got the year wrong even after I corrected you. it wasn’t the 80s after I corrected you, then not 91 it WAS 1992! In wonderful tonight (agreed a lousy song) which you called “ you look Lovely” lol. If you don’t know the name of that song you’re definitely some 20 something year-old or younger. troll. And Clapton did not write the song Cocaine J.J CALE did. First & I have no idea what you commented about Cream- made no sense at all. You Fake you take 15 minutes to get back to every comment. As you’re obviously reading everything you say off the Internet. And despite you reading off the Internet, you still misread much of what you say. Then when I said BB King was not his biggest influence you come back with saying Robert Johnson was, Clapton‘s biggest influence. Every 10 year-old knows Clapton‘s idol was Robert Johnson. And as far as electric guitar goes BB was a big influence on Clapton (what’s wrong with that?) 😂 what did you put down something like simplistic Pentatonix again. Freddie King was even a slightly bigger influence, on a young Clapton than BB. And now all of a sudden,you compose for film. Yeah And I wrote Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony. 🤪 And you put down the Pentatonic scale (or as you put it) “pretty basic for a guitar teacher” it’s the most important scale in blues or rock! & I never said I only teach pentatonic scales. Actually I never told you anything about my teaching. If you were a film composer, you wouldn’t put down guitar teachers, Mr. uppity. Actually there’s no way if you really were a film composer would you put down Eric Clapton‘s musicianship! Next you’re gonna say you composed killers of the flower moon. No that was Robbie Robertson another guitarist you wouldn’t know. My original point was you know nothing about Clapton then my secondary point was you know nothing about the blues or really specifically the innovators of blues-rock guitar. My third point was you know nothing about music. Each time I said you don’t know about something. Your answers got more intricate , and your words got more Bombastic, at the same time you kept making yourself more n more important with each comment. Can’t believe I spent an hour arguing with a troll. And all you did was copy and pasted techniques that Igor Stravinsky & Bernard Herrmann used.

[@Stratman1512]

@@Tyrell_Corp2019 Tyrell can’t comment or reply in the other room so we are going to do it right hear I never asked you to name a few other guitarists, I was was saying if you knew anything about the blues, specifically about any of the innovators of blues-rock you would know about the some of the blues-rock guitarists I named before. As you don’t. Your a Fake Tyrell-yeah now all of a sudden your a composer for film. You’re original pro LZ-(and nothing but incorrect anti) Clapton comments alone prove very strongly towards that you’re a troll n a fake . And every Clapton comment you made you made incorrectly, Also your Stravinsky also played the pentatonic-Idiot. And “Mr. classical composer for movies” at the same time you learned from a guy who taught Muddy Waters-“umm we have a name dropper here” -sure you did you don’t even play guitar, yet you put down the pentatonic scale. The pentatonic scale also heavily influenced modern classical music. As it’s the scale, that’s the foundation of about every other scale that exists on guitar. And yes Pentatonic was by your guy Stravinsky, and as we now know from fossil evidence from flutes made by Neanderthals were probably enjoying and have some understanding of the pentatonic Sound as far back is 60,000 years ago, it’s not an opinion, It’s a fact! And if you really were any kind of musician, especially somebody who scores or composes music for films, you would know how important it is. And Stravinsky‘s use of the octatonic scale would be the first thing you would see on the Internet. And you insult Slowhand for writing a song about his dead 5 year old son, “Tears in heaven” a song that not only did you get the decade wrong, but you got the year wrong, even after I corrected you. Also pertaining to Clapton Not only did you get names wrong on 2 of his 4 songs you got the year wrong in all of them. Not only did you get the years wrong on songs you mentioned, you couldn’t even get the decade, right. And even when I corrected you on the decade, you get the year wrong. In wonderful tonight (agreed a lousy song) which you called “ you look Lovely” lol. If you don’t know the name of that song you’re definitely some 20 something year-old or younger. troll. And Clapton did not write the song Cocaine J.J CALE did. First & I have no idea what you commented about Cream- made no sense at all. You Fake you take 15 minutes to get back to every comment. As you’re obviously reading everything you say off the Internet. And despite you reading off the Internet, you still misread much of what you say. Then when I said BB King was not his biggest influence you come back with saying Robert Johnson was, Clapton‘s biggest influence. Every 10 year-old knows Clapton‘s idol was Robert Johnson. And as far as electric guitar goes BB was a big influence on Clapton (what’s wrong with that?) 😂 what did you put down something like simplistic Pentatonic again. And actually, Freddie King was even a slightly bigger influence, on a young Clapton than BB. And now all of a sudden,you compose for film. Yeah And I wrote Mozart’s Jupiter Symphony. 🤪 And you put down the Pentatonic scale (or as you put it) “pretty basic for a guitar teacher” it’s the most important scale in blues or rock! & I never said I only teach pentatonic scales. Actually I never told you anything about my teaching. If you were a film composer, you wouldn’t put down guitar teachers, Mr. uppity. Actually there’s no way if you really were a film composer would you put down Eric Clapton‘s musicianship! Next you’re gonna say you composed killers of the flower moon. No that was Robbie Robertson another guitarist you wouldn’t know. My original point was you know nothing about Clapton then my secondary point was you know nothing about the blues or really specifically the innovators of blues-rock guitar. My third point was you know nothing about music. Each time I said you don’t know about something. Your answers got more intricate , and your words got more Bombastic, at the same time you kept making yourself more n more important with each comment. Can’t believe I spent an hour arguing with a troll. And all you did was copy and pasted techniques that Igor Stravinsky & Bernard Herrmann used. No real musician would insult the Pentatonic scale. Mr. “ big time” music composer Great comment there 1 month ago. When praising Cream & Your words Tyrell and I quote “Frankly I would put the Doors up there with Cream as well, just prior to the British invasion” ??? WHAT You have to be like eight to not know the Doors came after the British invasion. For God sake, even Cream came after the British Invasion of 1964 Tart! I’m done giving you music history lessons.

[@Stratman1512]

@@Tyrell_Corp2019 coward - and the snitch

[@martinmchugh001]

The Beatles were obviously more unique on more than the musical level. They were the quintessential rock band, creating a band from friend stage, learning their trade from nothing as they grew up.

[@delphinazizumbo8674]

2:30 what John is getting at is that they did not include him in the millions they made from their little "Duo Tour" in the late 1990s that was ALOT OF MONEY

[@lyndoncmp5751]

Plant and Page said if they had included Jones then it would have been Led Zeppelin and they didnt want to do that.

[@delphinazizumbo8674]

@@lyndoncmp5751 yeah...they didn't want it to include Jones, they ONLY PLAYED LED ZEPPELIN tunes.......Jones was right to be annoyed

[@Gerard_2024]

@@lyndoncmp5751 They could have found a way around that if they had really wanted to. Given that they played only Zep tunes, they could have called the trio "Led Zeppelin minus one", for example, or something similar.

[@PaulFormentos]

Songs performed by the duo had Jones songwriting credits so he got paid

[@delphinazizumbo8674]

@@PaulFormentos that's NOT the point

[@cobar5342]

This is not quite true. Page and Plant were good friends. They even travelled to Morocco together (this was when Kashmir was written) and Bonham died in Page's house so they were clearly friendly. Jones was on the outer, that is true. I suspect they other were envious about his classical training

[@sicotshit7068]

Plant & Bonham loved their farm lives with their families, so when not touring, that’s where they wanted to be. Not sure where JPJ lived, but Jimmy was more London life. Bonham & Plant probably hung out more during down time, then with the other two.JPJ always seemed the odd man out, to straight laced, but a great musical part of the band. Sadly the death of Plants son, & the drug & alcohol abuse of Page & Bonham hurt the band the most. Maybe they all feel some guilt over Bonham’s death too.

[@luckycharm4623]

Bonham was pressured into agreeing to do the North American tour that tragically he ended up drinking himself to death due to his depression and anxiety of having to do another long tour away from his wife and children. Peter Grant I think had a huge amount of guilt as he really pressured Bonham to do that tour, it's possible that John's bandmates were responsible too. It killed John. Johns death had a devastating effect on his bandmates especially Page and Plant who struggled for years trying to deal with it.

[@sicotshit7068]

@@luckycharm4623 yes I agree with all you said, I know Plant really took it hard, because they were very close friends. After not touring for so long after the death of Plant’s son, I’m sure Bonham didn’t want to leave his family. They loved playing live, but the long & hectic touring was a lot to handle. When playing more local, they sometimes brought their kids to their concerts, so they saw what their dads did.

[@TooSkinnyKenny]

Jones proved his musical gifts were invaluable in his later work with Heart, R.E.M. and Diamanda Galas. But why is his solo album so darned hard to find?

[@thetr00per30]

Zep were all professional musicians, classically trained and wanting to make music for a living. Many rock bands and rock stars are just winging it, they cannot read or write music and know nothing of theory and they fizzle out. What kept Zep together was professionalism. I thought Bonham and Plant were best mates though I must be misremembering.

[@GreatCircle360]

JPJ's riff during Page soloing on Good Times Bad Times is deceptively difficult to hold rock solid like he did. Live, it was like a runaway train with Bonham driving.

[@BeatleRick84]

Touring is not easy. Mentally you gotta be on it. Honestly U.S tour 1977 I seen pics of Jimmy Page idk how he played every night. He was thin and strung on heroine he was nearly bones. I know he loved playing live and he did it well!

[@hogopogo7616]

Sometimes his live playing was just plain horrible!

[@luckycharm4623]

He was completely emaciated , couldn't keep down solid food, and on more than one occasion had little trash cans on the side of the stage that he would throw up into. Tragic health circumstance. I give him credit that he forced his way through some of those shows.

[@407arcade]

it a interresting video, be part in a band are not easy, but Led Zeppelin make the history in Rock Music