John Waters defamed Kitty Holland-damages awarded of €35,000 plus full costs for 5 day hearing

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[@gerardodwyer5908]

John Waters has been in the media business since the 1970s. He has worked for numerous newspapers and magazines, including Vincent Browne's Magill. He is more than acquainted with defamation laws in Ireland. He dug his own hole here. Waters had the means to make his points against the Irish Times just as forcibly and without defaming Kitty Holland. He chose a different course. This court loss, and financial cost, will tame Waters worst urges to defame again, and hopefully help make him a better "journalist".

[@martinatravers330]

Thank you for update Terry.

[@maryrose7842]

The law is crooked and it’s difficult for an honest person to get on. Enoch Burke is a prime example. He should be backed by the people of Ireland . I wish there was more like him. I feel sorry for John Watters. It seems that you can’t have an opinion in Ireland anymore.

[@ajc5479]

Luckily the morons of this country are in the minority. Like yourself

[@andrewmellon5072]

Thank you for another interesting and enjoyable video.

[@joekavanagh7171]

Instead of this discussion, people should be talking about the ridiculously high cost of legal fees in this country, which is bringing the legal profession into disrepute, and also the ridiculously high cost of injury awards. People in the latter case should be awarded enough to cover their medical expenses and no more. In this case there is no way that legal costs should have amounted to £150,000. Regardless of the rights and wrongs in this instance, it deters people who have a genuine grievance from taking any legal case for fear of losing and becoming bankrupt.

[@curragh2840]

Couldn't agree more, these legal decisions are a matter of opinion sometimes you agree other times not but some one has to decide, fair enough. It is the extortionate cost of these things I find ridiculous.

[@Paul5520]

The correct decision. He’ll always be scruffy mad John to me. Pay your bills John like a good man.

[@user-vs8ld5di7j]

Clear concise news👍

[@rsh793]

Good If more people are held to account for their lies then maybe it'll finally trickle down to bring back factual truth being prized as the norm again.

[@MrKFNeverGiveUp]

Speaking of 'factual truth', didn't Kitty Holland fabricate a story about some migrant men staying in tents and she said they had been assaulted by some local Irish lads, but she had no evidence whatsoever and the local Gardai said they were not aware/informed of any assault? Her story went all over the MSM news. No arrests were made by the Gardai of any local lads. The whole story then just basically disappeared.🤔

[@Therealprinceofcobh]

@@MrKFNeverGiveUp, hard man you are. It’s is a factually accurate story reason guards didn’t make any arrests is your mates had face coverings on, Maybe you wanna join waters and get sued ? I’d love to see your kind having to fess up that amount, might teach ye to shut your mouth instead of spewing nonsense 24/7.

[@martymartin2894]

U mean it will do away with free speech.

[@reliablesauce]

What is "truth", though? Define it please, and I'll respond 👍

[@MrKFNeverGiveUp]

@@reliablesauce The truth is when you don't tell a lie 😉Something the Irish MSM journalists and politicians should be reminded of, but alas....they don't really care for the truth anymore - that's why they just continue to tell provable lies and to gaslight the whole nation.👍

[@johnpurcell7525]

Don't take a case against Devil to a court in Hell

[@markhodge3112]

@@johnpurcell7525 or avoid going to court in the first place and don’t say things in public that will defame someone. Then when your going to court do everything to settle it unless you are 100% sure of your case .

[@mikeyk212]

As the great philospher Al Pacino said , u cant beat City Hall. John should have know that. The judiciary and the Irish Times, two peas in a pod. Sad to see one journalist suing another for libel. John is now out of pocket to the tune of over €200k. Sad day for Ireland.

[@user-qj2ge5hz4d]

Interesting about having your opinions based on facts. What is a fact ? A lot of newspaper reports based on opinions, rumors, gossip and lies are written everyday.

[@tconnolly9820]

Kavanagh called her a liar professionally. He was brought before the courts and given an opportunity to defend himself. Someone who wants to state his version of "facts as he sees them" or "alternative facts" hasn't got a leg to stand on if they are basically lies because the truth doesn't suit them. What the f was a rambling 110 page letter supposed to do for his case? If you haven't got ANY evidence to support your allegations then you are the one who is going to be judged as the liar in any fair court of law. Unless you believe having a different opinion and voicing it publicly without any facts and slandering someone else should be viewed as legitimate? There are only facts. Alternative facts are just another way to say we don't like what you stand for so we'll just make up convenient lies to support our point of view. Kavanagh got exactly what he was asking for.

[@rsh793]

@@mikeyk212 should you like to re-evaluate your basic addition there and come down to earth!

[@DaveBuckley-gg5gw]

Waters doesn’t pay. He’s not out of pocket

[@mikeyk212]

@@rsh793 I think it's €150k plus €35k plus his own costs.

[@ronnielodge7758]

John Water is entitled to his opinion and I don't see how anyone with common sense can call an opinion a fact!

[@michaelpower7326]

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story

[@martymartin2894]

This is just another way of shutting up controversial people who are speaking out about wrong doings. Disgusting cronyism.

[@killbotone6210]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Driver2616]

🤦🏻🙄

[@josefdenis3799]

Course it helps to have the judge in your corner

[@mike_mcgb]

Proof for that statement?

[@therise7760]

You should make a video explaining why enoch bourke lost his case but kitty Holland won hers.

[@terrygorry]

Good idea 👍

[@brianplummy]

It is very simple, Kitty Holland is not an idiot.

[@reliablesauce]

​@@brianplummyhahaha baaaaaaah 😂😂😂

[@eugenekilduff21]

@@brianplummy Enoch and all the Bourke family are decent intelligent people fighting for their Christian beliefs in Ireland , the land of " Saints and Scholars ". This is our heritage which we all should be proud of and try our best to uphold . I hope he or one of his family can stand in the upcoming general election .

[@brianplummy]

@@eugenekilduff21 No, they are not. They are twisted and bordering on mad. No normal. intelligent person would ever behave the way they did, no matter what problem they encountered.

[@MrSontaran3]

The lady died from severe sepsis. See the documentary, "Savita, the true story".

[@mike_mcgb]

As a result of...

[@connoroleary591]

According to the judge: "Opinion has to be based on fact". I have lots of opinions that are based on the facts as I see them. It seems mean spirited that Kitty Holland, the privileged daughter of the noted English journalist Mary Holland, should bankrupt someone of the courage and integrity of John Waters. A man born without privilege and who pulled himself up by his own means and merits. John Waters has described the Judiciary in Ireland as being appointed, not so much for their independence of mind, but because of their links to the political caste. It is sad and tragic.

[@mike_mcgb]

🙄

[@paulmayo2948]

Holland proved her case and Waters failed to do so. Its really that simple.

[@mike_mcgb]

Also, "the facts as I see them"... would they be "alternative facts", if they don't align with what the rest of us see?

[@Therealprinceofcobh]

Waters made a defamatory statement and couldn’t back it up with actual proof. Holland could, you really need to stop trying to play the victim because all you are is a mouth piece for hatred and lies that have no place in 21st century Ireland. Or do you want to end up like waters ? Made parting with your cold hard cash might teach you a lesson in humility and respect.

[@connoroleary591]

Let's quote the brother journalist of Kitty Holland in the Irish Times; the Monsignor himself, Finton O'Toole: He wrote: "A simple fact of this business is that journalists occasionally make mistakes. It is very easy for a passionate argument to cross the line that separates necessary polemic from unfair attack. Even when the writer is trying to be careful, an implication or allegation that ought not to be made can slip through the net of caution. This happens from time to time to every columnist" Agreed. No need to bankrupt somebody for something very few people heard or read and those that did, understood that it was simply part of a passionate argument that had "slipped through the net of caution"

[@pmacc3557]

How much money does JW have? how can he pay all these bills...

[@johnconnors6412]

That's the whole point of the exercise to bankrupt him. It's not about if someone said something g not nice about someone else. They all do that all the time. Who funded kitty

[@user-pw6ei2mn7x]

Remember he got €85.000 from RTE when he felt offended by something someone said. I can’t remember the exact details.. hopefully he invested it well and has more than enough to pay all costs involved.

[@mike_mcgb]

​@@johnconnors6412 ...loser of a case pays winners' fees.

[@johnconnors6412]

@@mike_mcgb its obscene that someone can use the legal system to bankrupt someone. It should only be a matter for small claims court save on money and a use ifnprocess

[@mike_mcgb]

​​@@johnconnors6412 I personally somehow doubt a man of Mr Waters' "stature" will be struggling.

[@johnkeating4221]

Sad day for Ireland indeed.

[@markhodge3112]

Good day for integrity and honesty and fact based journalism.

[@paddymickiemickie8221]

Really

[@johnconnors6412]

​@@markhodge3112 you mean the same people who lied to us about covid and pushed the propoganda and now the truth is coming out they wont say anything. Is this the same people who said Biden was in perfect health for the last 4 years and 2 two weeks ago ah theres something g wrong now

[@HH-hd3gs]

Didn't three inquiries find that Savita died from sepsis which was not noticed until it was too late? Not from the lack of an abortion. Why let the truth get in the way of a good story though?

[@Driver2616]

The sepsis resulted from the lack of proper modern medical care which included an abortion.

[@HH-hd3gs]

​@@Driver2616 🤮🤮🤮

[@mike_mcgb]

​@@HH-hd3gs A well-thought-out and reasonable argument, indeed

[@denismcrath3400]

This guys hate john waters

[@HH-hd3gs]

I don't think you are right about opinion there. The legal team for Kitty will probably hope JW won't appeal to the High Court. That would be an expensive week out for her.

[@Driver2616]

Even more expensive for him because he’d lose again…

[@pierre-louisdrevon2213]

sound reception problem

[@davekiernan1]

Have a glorious 12th.

[@connoroleary591]

Thank you!

[@billcollins6705]

Opinions need to be very close to fact if you're going to publish them or upload them. Once upon a time, JW was a reasonable person. In recent years he just seems to have devolved.

[@michaelchristopherryan204]

Devolved or evolved?, depends what side of the argument you're on.

[@billcollins6705]

@@michaelchristopherryan204 getting mixed up with Gemma is a clear sign of devolution

[@michaelchristopherryan204]

@billcollins6705 again that depends on what side of the fence you're on.

[@billcollins6705]

@@michaelchristopherryan204 Yep.

[@eddiestaunton514]

Caught out bad, it's an expensive outing being Irish these days

[@michaelkinahan1829]

Waters is not representative of the Irish people. The vast, vast majority of us would really like him to bring his hate mongering somewhere else really.

[@ajc5479]

Only for the few Irish that are severally lacking in intelligence

[@mike_mcgb]

What Ireland is Waters entirely representative of?

[@ajc5479]

@@mike_mcgb Nut Bags for the most part.

[@mike_mcgb]

​@@thomasclarke2880 I'm a child of the recessionary age. It wasn't immigrants or trans people that bailed out dead banks and implemented the worst austerity campaign in State history. Stop getting distracted.