The 3 Steps To Fix Sony’s Spider-Verse Following Madame Web Disaster

[@evanmorris6057]

Here are the steps required to fix the live action Spider-Verse. 1. Abandon it altogether 2. Focus on animated Spider-Verse films 3. Let Marvel Studios make the live action films.

[@stefanfilipovits21]

Using obscure and unfamiliar characters that work waaaaaay better in supporting roles (kraven, morbius, madame web, venom) and centering them is a massive mistake too

[@marvelprince]

I disagree. I think you make anyone a great focus of a film once the story is good. They just don’t care here.

[@IMZ44]

Theres only one step Sony should do. Stop making live action comic book films.

[@SosaA11]

Exactly give marvel full control of all live action Spider-Man characters and just make a deal where you get half the okay you own character dumb dumb🤣

[@Marshmallowdamanv3]

@@Dakr2000amazing Spider-Man sadly wasn’t the success we remember hence no 3d film and Sony messed up Spider-Man 3 and ultimately would’ve the 4th movie

[@marlow21]

It baffles me how Sony can make compelling stories on video games but most of their movie stories sucks. Lol

[@IMZ44]

@@Dakr2000 Sony will have hits, but the misses outnumbered them.

[@SosaA11]

@@Dakr2000Spider-Man 3 was ass

[@zmomoney4529]

You can’t fix it. Venom - Sucked Venom 2 - Sucked Morbius - Sucked Madame Web - Sucked Kraken - Looks horrible Venom 3- Probably gonna suck El Muerto - LOL I’d say they fumbled the audience as bad as DC but I don’t think people care nearly enough about this “cinematic universe”. Sony has flooded the already wounded Superhero market with horrible bombs.

[@JaredK511]

SONY made this movie because of the main character’s ability to tap into the multiverse which is all the rage in superhero movies nowadays. They figured they could use Madam Webb as an easy plot device for more multiverse movies.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

Exactly. They wanted a multiverse-centric character like Doctor Strange and Madame Web is pretty much the Spider-Man equivalent of Doctor Strange.

[@johnnyblaze973-p2m]

There is no such thing as "superhero fatigue".* cue the Deadpool/Wolverine trailer, then the X-men 97 trailer.People respond negatively to poorly written content.

[@jakenight5147]

people will complain about DEI and demand we hire the best most qualified people for the job. But, there's crickets when the writers of Morbius do trash jobs after trash jobs. Yet get hired back.

[@kyled8940]

Stop making Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man.

[@_moegreen5770]

3 steps to fix Spiderverse 1:) stop referencing Spiderman without an actual Spiderman ( duhh ) 2:) stop turning villains into anti heroes for no reason 3:) give rights back to Marvel if you don’t do step 1 or 2

[@CuriousCorduroy]

Kraven legitimately looks on par with Morbius and Madame Web.

[@jeffhouse3201]

Short of making an offer to Disney to sell the rights back, don’t green light any movie that Amy Pascal does not sign off on.

[@billymoore7182]

Superhero fatigue isn't real. Bad movie fatigue is.

[@jamesgatz4490]

Step 1: Put it... Step 2: in the... Step 3: BIN 🚮

[@jefferychen4900]

It’s baffling that Sony would throw away money and lose those gains from the Spider-Man movies. 🤔 😣 🕸️🕷️

[@bigblueboyscout1]

As long as Sony makes money from MCU Spider-Man, that's all that matters to them. That's their bread and butter sadly. Oh, and the animated Spider-Man movies so far.

[@brg9327]

Step 1) Have a lead producer who understands the source material and the business. Ideally someone with a vision for this franchise. Step 2) Hire good writers and directors. Step 3) Keep the budgets reasonable. Step 4) Profit. Make good films and people are more likely to watch and support them. Popular films make more money, which means sequels. Which means a lot greater profit potential. For an experienced movie studio which has made plenty of great movies, including Spiderman, this should be very fucking obvious.

[@DylanMadd]

John has been right this whole time: Venom’s success was a big problem. It never was very good & succeeded on the back of a weird & engaging lead performance. But it never made much sense. Venom looks the way he does BECAUSE he bonded with Spiderman. I’m sure it’s been fleshed out in comics. Either way, it was weird and didn’t work other than being kind of fun. Nothing else has come close to that success. Including Venom 2. Generally, it’s like the Batman universe: what’s the deal with ALL these shows and movies WITHOUT the central character?!?

[@DylanMadd]

@@j04370859 Yes! That’s what I mean. Venom was such a hit, Sony has kept making these Spiderman-less Spiderman movies. I just happen to think Venom wasn’t successful for the reasons Sony seems to have thought. That’s my contribution but I conflated my thoughts with what John’s been saying. Hard to explain it all in a comment. But yes, John has talked a lot about enjoying Venom. It’s true.

[@ThomasMieses]

Sony can improve their Spider-Verse by focusing on strong storytelling, character development, and maintaining consistency within the universe. They should collaborate closely with talented writers, directors, and producers to ensure that each film feels connected yet distinct. Additionally, they could explore new and diverse storylines, introduce compelling villains, and prioritize the quality of animation or special effects to enhance the overall viewing experience. Engaging with audience feedback and staying true to the essence of Spider-Man while taking creative risks could also help revitalize the franchise.

[@nataliajimenez1870]

They are hiring horrible writers and weak directors. And on top of that hired a lead that can't project any emotion besides monotone disinterest. Plus they need to be patient to build a story and not do the disaster that was presented in the post-credit scenes of Morbius

[@mustakimrahman1098]

Here's a bright idea!!! How about having a Spiderman in the cinematic universe literally called "Spider-verse" and connect the movies by having him go up against all the villains you have established???

[@marcomarc151]

You're right on the part of slowing down one or two movies per year is enough, Also since marvel is on their multiverse saga right now, right way to tie those to sony's, is their many versions of spiderman center that ain't peter parker. Make movies out of those. Lastly they should just make their sinister 6 after the multiverse saga, where in instead of making movies out of those characters, they just need to make those sinister six from the multiverse that was already fought by other version of spideys and let say put them in one universe and give them a reason to hunt down the peter parker spidey.

[@ChristianJDY]

Venom 1 yes, but I felt venom 2 was either a little rushed or not the same effort.

[@juans8356]

How to fix Sony's issue. Sell Spiderman rights back to Marvel.

[@hulkbeast8759]

Marvel is making crap movies nowadays

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

@@hulkbeast8759but they got spider-man right and the movies have been successful with the writing and directing team that they have for that franchise.

[@omadayusjones6414]

Couldn’t agree with you more. ‘Nuff Said! Sony needs a James Gunn or Kevin Feige of their own to promote cohesion in their cinematic universe stat.

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

Those dudes are big comic nerds too

[@k--music]

They need to stop

[@jasonmosse6381]

If Kraven bombs, people won't ever go see other live Sony Spiderverse movies. Look at DC, when the audience stops caring. It's over. And I saw Aquaman 2, The Flash and Black Adam. They were decent, but the audience stopped caring because they knew James Gunn was rebooting the DC universe.

[@adamstark04]

For what they spent on Madame Web and Kraven They could’ve made an Andrew Garfield movie on the heels of no way home and made a boatload of money.

[@kendallandrews8691]

And that's what they should have done

[@c4v3m4n27]

But it still would have been bad.

[@TwinRiver100]

...yeah, don't agree with Campea at all on Zazlav specifically what he did with Coyote vs Acme. And i wanted to see what they had in mind for Batgirl.

[@patnull]

I think #2 is key because fundamentally, you need to start with a good script. Because I don't care how great a director you are, if you have a bad script, the movie is gonna suck.

[@Sofawookie]

While I’ll give them credit for The Last of Us show, MCU Spider-Man, and the Spider-Verse films, the output at Sony’s film division has been otherwise awful. Venom, Madame Web, Morbius, and Uncharted are so hollow and creatively bankrupt that it genuinely boggles the mind. On the flip side, while their game division isn’t perfect, they’ve genuinely knocked it out of the park with quality storytelling (Uncharted, Horizon, God of War, Last of Us, Ghost of Tsushima, Spider-Man). Games aren’t movies but my god, why can’t they put the same kind of care and attention into their films? It’s insane.

[@marco469]

The steps to fix it are: don’t write another one, don’t direct another one, don’t act in another one.

[@justjoddat]

There's one step. Only one step. Sell it back to Marvel Studios.

[@alexx.malexx]

1) Admit the movie is bad 2) Give Marvel the rights to Spider-Man 3) Never talk about it again

[@WOLVERINE25TH]

Give up and give the rights back to Disney. Sony has been lackluster for a long time now. I think the only reason they're not going under like Paramount is their one good decision to stay out of the streaming wars.

[@collin.a.]

just focus on making a compelling movie. they think they can have loose ties to spider man and turn in a terrible movie and call it a day. audiences are smarter than that

[@mike9512]

They're making bad Spider-Man movies without Spider-Man in them. I feel like that is the core issue.

[@johncampea]

Putting Spider-Man in a bad movie would still be a bad movie.

[@JoshCarlos1998]

@@johncampeacase and point Spider-Man 3 & amazing Spider-Man 2

[@mike9512]

@@johncampea oh, that is true.

[@juliusjean-baptiste924]

Stop making films about b/c list villains and hiring writers with bad track records to write these films. Hire writers who reference source material and creatives who respect and honor the source material. Clarkson, even though this was her first feature, but this looked like a feature length CW show. Just let Marvel take creative control over it and just sit back and collect the paycheck because Disney/Marvel know what they’re doing. But fire the execs that green light these bad movies because at some point they have to be held accountable

[@lumpygravy100]

Marvel studios should buy back the rights for spider-man and make the right stories that really matter.

[@phantomthiefzx]

Does Marvel Studios have $4 billion dollars to buy the rights back?

[@metalliholic]

That Kraven trailer looked slightly better than the Madam Web trailer. So its most likely going to be shit

[@Mad_Beefs]

Even though Morbius and Madame Web are not well known characters those movies still could have been good. The concept was there but the execution was the worst possible.

[@kylequest]

The best fix, sell it to Disney.

[@tomcruise443]

In your pipe dream

[@reggiebrown9508]

They screwed up from not having Kraven come out with Spider-Man 2. Kraven would have been on everyone's mind being hyped after playing the game.

[@wraithx7]

Here's an idea, instead of Sony making Spidey spinoff films featuring villains and supporting characters who most likely couldn't carry their own films like Kraven, Morbius, Madame Web, and Hypno Hustler they should instead make spinoff films featuring those Spidey characters who are either superheroes or anti heroes like Puma, Cardiac, Prowler, Slingers, and Silver Sable and the Wild Pack. Those heroes and anti heroes that I listed might not be all that popular or well known, but well written and well directed films featuring those characters might perform much better at the box office than Morbius and Madame Web.

[@hanifameen4056]

My cinema was packed. Even the seats we were originally trying to book were booked WHILE we were about to book it. Ofc everyone who came had no idea what they were in for😂😂😂

[@brendanalexcurran3429]

Give up the rights to Marvel…. Marvel made the mistake of trying to get spider man in their movies and making Tom Holland Popular…. Had they not done that Sony would be close to giving up the rights to spider man

[@KingDavid00]

I have a hard time understanding how you can go from Spider-Verse 2 to this

[@TheBTSMACLVOR]

Different departments.

[@KingDavid00]

@@TheBTSMACLVOR That shouldn’t be an excuse to let your live action films flip this hard

[@abangemirzaihanabangzulkip9502]

Madame Web should've been a Netflix series like Marvel's What If...? She should be the narrator like The Watcher and each episode will feature different Spider Verse characters and the season finale could feature her meeting Andrew Garfield's Spider Man about how he ended up in the MCU. So many things Sony could've done to avoid the mistakes.🙄

[@isaacmartinez6904]

Another addition to the solution is the hired people who cared for the source material. Why did Into The Spider-Verse did well? Because Sony hired people who not only love Spider-Man but have amazing ideals that take the movie to new heights.

[@Pharmboy6]

They cant slow down. They have to make a new Spiderman movie every few years or lose the Spiderman movies rights. So they will continue making 2 or 3 every 5 years. Just in case problems occur they can fall back on next film

[@jasontodd6930]

It’s as simple as three things. Good writer, good director, and SPIDER-MAN!

[@Ghost-27X]

3 Steps to fix this mess..🤔 1. Move on 2. Forget these "Bad" movies exist. 3. Never make Spider-man U movies without Spider-man in them.😂😂

[@AceTheSkylord]

Step 1: Stop

[@DannsProductions]

Sony has already taken two strikes with Morbuis and Madame Web and they've all been released after No Way Home. There is no saving for this spin off franchise they are trying to build. And they're not going to slow down considering they got to have a Spider-Man movie in production every five years to keep the rights.

[@MTTT19]

They should just scrap the Non Spider-Man SpiderVerse and just focus on the Animated SpiderVerse Films.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

To add to Rob’s point, this is the studio that has decided to do a movie El Muerto who is a character that has only appeared in two issues according to what people online have been saying. How can you make a movie about a character that doesn’t have a lot of source material to pull from? Also, they’re making a Hypno-Hustler movie with Donald Glover. Hypno-Hustler! One of the most obscure Spider-Man characters that nobody cares about.

[@dwightantc]

Hot take: The way to fix Sony's Live Action Spider-Verse would be not putting out Madame Web right now. They should have went the route of "Evil Avengers" by doing solo movies of each Sinister Six member. You could have Vulture bring them all together to take on Spider-Man in a Sinister Six movie. You could have Spider-Man on the brink of losing the battle with them all when he's saved by Madame Web. That's when you get solo movies of Spider-People with Madame Web being their Nick Fury, collecting them all for the fight. That could cover quite a few movies. The one before the Sinister Six vs Spider Society could be a Madame Web solo movie. Sony, just hire me already. I got y'all.

[@mannholloway]

John is out of his mind if he thinks they put care into Venom both those movie are a huge POS it made money simply from name recognition. Between all the millennials who finally wanted to see venom and all the Tom Hardy fans. Those movies were complete and utter garbage which started this whole Spider-Man-less Spiderverse and why we suffer these movies.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

You do make a good point about millennials. I think most millennials went to see Venom out of curiosity because they remember Venom in Spider-Man 3. In fact, I’m one of them. 😅

[@Carmai7]

There is only one step to fix it: sell the rights to Spidey back to Marvel! Enough said! Excelsior!!!!!

[@CartoonFlophouse]

Step 1) Make the Spider-Woman live action film Step 2) Adapt it really well Step 3) That's it.

[@JR-nq7mc]

Step 1: Stop making bad movies Step 2: Make a good movie Step 3: Profit

[@ToddMiley89]

Sony needs to put Spider-Man in their "Spider-Man" universe.

[@johncampea]

If they’re making bad movies putting Spider-Man in it isn’t going to help.

[@stupidargentmofo705]

@@johncampeaI think you’re missing the point of his comment there, putting Spiderman in it is a “oh no du thing”. I feel you read this man’s comment and thought you have to correct him on something that’s simply a joke statement. Also have you ever noticed how you feel proud of yourself when you insult someone you do a head jerk and smirk that’s what I imagine you did when you sent that.

[@blueyoda4385]

1) Put Spiderman in a Spiderman related movie. Make this Andrew Garfield's universe. 2) Create a contining partnership with Marvel to assist in making these movies. Marvel can create a division that just handles Sony properties filled with professionals and people who have actually read the comics. 3) Have a strategy of what characters to give a movie and how they fit into this universe.

[@TDM2895]

It’s crazy to be Sony can make trash like madam webb and Morbius and yet also make the spider verse movies and that are amazing

[@nilesengerman8263]

How about include a version of Spiderman--to your point, slow down until you can do that with integrity. Zero common thread = zero stakes.

[@jayerm]

If they HAD to make a Spider-Man movie without Spider-Man, they should have made a Sinister Six origin movie 🙄

[@lordofthereels6790]

James Bond could be an interesting IP to explore a multiverse with. I'd love a Judie Dench's M origin story about the total power of her job testing her morals ro the point of her actions that lead to Silva in Skyfall. Maybe with Pugh as young M?

[@thefrenchcanadianwolfman8228]

Without Spider-Man, I don't give a damn about any of these movies

[@danterose6673]

I think they should stop with live action. Finish Venom and then focus on animation. Apply the same care as the Spider verse movies.

[@thehacker4012]

I disagree with John when he claims that adapting certain storylines isn't going to fix Sony Spider-verse. Yes, adapting comic book story arcs for the big screen isn't automatically going to save the Spider-verse but I do think it would help give the film a good foundation. I still believe that instead of Madame Web standalone movie, they would be better off adapting a Spider-man storyline that Madame Web has pivotal role in, such as Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut. I'm not even against Dakota Johnson playing Madame Web, just age her up in prosthetic make up and allow her to show some acting range. Of course, you need to right directors, writers, and production team to make it all work, but you need to story that they are passionate about and biggest complaint about Madame Web was it was a film that was passion-less and uninspired.

[@JayPatrol]

They need to stay with what their successful in with the playstation and other tech Also animation films

[@edwardabreu5851]

Everyone needs to apologize spiderman 3 tobey after seeing this fiasco.

[@juanluismendoza8655]

While Spider-Man 3 is nowhere as bad as Morbius and Madame Web, it’s still a bad film. So I don’t want to apologize to it.

[@edwardabreu5851]

@@juanluismendoza8655 after seeing it again is not a bad, bad film at all.

[@SonicStantz]

In regards to the Venom films, the second one made hundreds of millions LESS than the first one. How much do you want to bet that the third one will make even less?

[@alex_reyes_6]

What they need to do is to just focus on animation, live action should just be marvel Disney

[@loublanco1976]

Stop making them

[@icantthinkofagoodusername4575]

After hearing rumours that Kevin Feige and Sony can’t agree on what to do with Spider-Man. I have a feeling Sony are going to take the character away from The MCU

[@spicymemes7458]

They will depend on Disney even more if their universe fails. They need to keep cranking out movies to keep the rights from reverting back to them ironically

[@jakenight5147]

Agreed. To make a good comicbook movie you have to take care and attention. Problem is nerds in Hollywood creative circles, who can also make good movies, and are available are far and few in-between these days. Studios are hiring the best actors, directors, and writers (sometimes). But, they don't care for the source material. You see that time and time again in these interviews. The directors lack passion. The actors never watched any comicbook movie or read a comicbook themselves. They don't care. These characters aren't just roles. They're role models and if the creatives don't care. Why should I?

[@JoshCarlos1998]

They need a creative head overseeing these films, like a Gunn or Feige

[@poppy87]

Unless Sony can get Disney to buy back The Spider-Man rights, then they should just make Spider-Man movies with Marvel.

[@WOLVERINE25TH]

Sony doesn't WANT to lose the rights. That's why they keep churning out this dreck.

[@Ercarret]

I don't know how viable this is now that the Madam Web movie has done them dirty, but I think the obvious solution was to anchor their whole universe on someone else who isn't Spider-Man. Okay, so they don't seem to be able to have Tom Holland in their movies or have another Spider-Man in their movies at the same time as Tom's Spidey is in the MCU. Probably some deal shenanigans with Disney/Marvel. Fine. But then have some other character be the linchpin. Make one of the Spider-Women the main character for your little universe of spider-villains and have them all be her villains, or at least be centered around her in whichever way you choose if you want to have Venom as an anti-hero. I don't know if there is any potential Spider-Woman left that wasn't already in Madam Web, but if there is, I would make a very serious effort to craft an amazing film centered around her. Make her be whatever it seemed that they've been waiting for Tom Holland's Spidey to be (with absolutely no success). Their universe desperately needs someone like that. Every movie they put out feels so weird without someone like that, and every attempt to form a cohesive universe even more so. Even if they had had hit after hit and both Morbius and Madam Web had been great, and Kraven comes out and is great as well...there's just a piece missing. Why would I care about a potential Sinister Six (or whatever they're building up towards) forming when there's no one for them to fight? Even if I really like all of the villains that they've made movies about, there's no one for them to team up against. That has always been the central flaw of Sony's plan. Hopefully they can fix it but right now, it seems like all of their successes have been flukes. They've sort of accidentally hired the right people and let them do their thing without getting too much in the way to screw things up. I will say, however... I'm very curious what the Spider-Verse guys could do if they were put in charge of Sony's live-action efforts. Sort of like their Kevin Feiges.

[@RJ_____________]

i liked this movie and i liked to hear your thoughts on this subject

[@mranderson8725]

I like Dracula untold

[@benm5970]

A big one for me is that they need to truly find their own unique identity, one of the reasons the MCU worked was that they created a style and tone that was completely unique to them, superhero movies with a bit more of a lighthearted tone, whereas with Sony’s movies apart from the Venom movies it doesn’t really seem like they have one, it seems like they’re just using the “Generic comic book movie” template of the mid 2000’s, and so I think that Sony needs to give their movies their own unique flare, they need to give their movies their unique coats of paint instead of just leaving them unpainted and boring

[@SonicStantz]

And to answer your question on who decided to make a Madame Web movie, it was Amy Pascal. Look back at the Sony Email Hack from literally one decade ago. She was the one pushing for an all-female spider movie, but didn't care what female characters were in it. And even though she was fired from Sony due to what the hack revealed, they kept this project going for some stupid ass reason.

[@dukinhower]

Step One: Give it all to Marvel Step Two: Give it ALL to Marvel Step Three: Apologize Step Four: GIVE IT ALL TO MARVEL!!! (edit: I know full well this would be the dumbest thing Sony would do as a business... That said, give. it. all. to. Marvel Studios. 🙂)

[@jakenight5147]

Marvel can't put out a good movie either.

[@kendallandrews8691]

Marvel has put out tons of great films. Their batting average is very high

[@mindyobeeznis]

ESG is ruining Hollywood. They aren't hiring the best people for the job anymore.

[@jakenight5147]

I kinda get their idea with one Spider-Man actor, you generally have maybe 3 or 4 movies to squeeze out of them before they want to move on and that'll take 10-11 years. So making movies about characters that aren't tied to a Spider-man is the route to go. But, they just need to make good movies. A good way to start is not to hire the Morbius writers.

[@drogramadanjohnson1061]

No more diet spiderman flicks!

[@jaybling6687]

I don’t think *everyone* is irrevocably damaged from Madame Web. Sydney Sweeney still has Anyone But You which is a sleeper hit and she was at the People’s Choice Awards last night where she was announced by her association to that film and not this one. And she has another movie coming out next month.

[@maingamer6846]

They need to release Kraven and Venom 3 and then just give the rights back to Marvel fr.

[@TwinRiver100]

it'd be nice if Marvel had rights back for Spider-Man stuff. But i know people wouldn't think they could do it due to their most recent output. Also too much under them or something. Like maybe if they had it still under them, but they'd be off to mostly do their own thing, but they'd have more stuff within Marvel itself to work with. Like maybe put it under the equivalent of a sub studio like 20th Century Studios/Fox as far as tone influence and things like that. And stuff from Marvel Disney could be used in there or something. I don't know. This is a weird jumbled idea that i don't know how to sort right. Something something management and quality control.

[@thegamegeezer5424]

I don’t understand why Sony executives decided to release Madame Web instead of using it as a tax write off like Warner has done with Coyote vs Acme? If you look at the gaming side of Sony their profit margins are so minuscule that if the movie business is similar this would have made more sense

[@juanluismendoza8655]

True but at the same time, they could have used Morbius as a tax write off too but they still released it. I think the reason they still release them is because they need more movies in their cinematic universe than just Venom.

[@Matt-rm5ir]

I disagree that Sony put their "best" on the Venom films. Those are as dogshit as the others. Venom is just a more bankable character than Morbius or Madame Web so they could get away with it

[@jinbrosfiguresitout3816]

🤔 I would go for: 1) Hire great good comics writers 2) A knowledgable comic guy producer helm all connectivity 3) No Sony executive touchin them 4) Forget Spiderman and focus on Venomverse. (use Venom as their Spiderman.)

[@daviddilks7018]

I wish there were more superhero films like the batman and joker coming out that weren't connected to everything. I really dislike that disney, sony, and warner brothers are all going to focus on these shared universe stories.

[@yadonkno3320]

In defense of Madame Webb's financial plan, the budget is only 75 million, and I've heard more about it on my feeds then most mediocre/ok superhero films just for how bad it is. So it'll still probably make a profit in the long run. It's entirely possible they wanted to see if bad movies would be profitable after the morbius meme flood. Still not marking out that it was a laundering scheme or contract license thing. just another possibility.

[@thehacker4012]

I mean, Ghostbusters: Afterlife only cost 75 million dollars, but that film was way better than film Madame Web, I think bad word of mouth can very much hurt this Spider-Man spin-off.

[@davechan8613]

Rumor from insiders were saying the cost was closer to 100M because of changes they made to it.

[@TeatimesB]

Any film needs to have a reason for existing. Any film of theirs needs to have that reason clear for everyone involved, and the audience, and the character alone can't be that reason. I liked Venom because to me it put forward a rougher more deliberately anarchic body-horror aesthetic than we were used to, and I say anyway, others don't have to agree, that that was its offer. Making something just because you can, or to keep hold of the rights, I'm not clear on that, but a reason like that, is not a valid reason

[@PumpkinBoiProductions]

It’s sad that anybody should even have to point out, the best way to solve Sony’s Spider-man adjacent problem is “hey, just hire people who care”. Like these people have watched movies before right? Not saying making a good movie is easy, but a lot of the problems in Madam Webb were avoidable, just sayin.

[@FatalJapan]

Add spidey and competent writers and directors.

[@ninetimesaday]

Dracula Untold catching a stray from John isnt sitting right with me. That was a great film.

[@hitmanmonaghan6633]

I was actually hoping that it was gonna start a Dark Universe.

[@_M....]

That movie was garbage and only ezisted to get to the last scene trying (and failing) to set up sequels and a cinematic universe.

[@professortally9230]

I agree with everything you said, however maybe we all need to follow our own advices or stop giving advices

[@katholmes7112]

They need Spiderman. The Spiderverse is pointless and these B tier characters are pointless without Spiderman. Who will we be getting next with no Spiderman....Lizard?

[@lingy69]

I think fundamentally Sony is struggling to choose the right characters to make protagonists, other than Venom, none of them really make sense. Madame Web, in my limited experience of her character, is supposed to be a mysterious character who plans things out in the shadows and leaves you speculating. You wouldn't make Morpheus the protagonist in the matrix, you wouldn't make Varys or Littlefinger the protagonists in GOT because they know too much, this just leaves the movie feeling nothing like the character because they have to work around that aspect. Kraven is a clear cut villain, not an anti-hero and he doesn't have powers, he's a brutal competent hunter. This doesn't really work as a main character as it's not very sympathetic so now he's some environmentalist anti-hero with lion blood. It doesn't work, it doesn't respect what makes Kraven cool. A villain origin story can work though, we've seen the Joker, they just seem unwilling to actually commit to making him a villain. Similarly with Morbius, he's a villain. Ignoring that nobody really knows who Morbius, a vampire movie could work, they obviously have in the past, but they should have made it pure horror and not about rare blood diseases or whatever the fuck that movie was. The fact they ever even considered El Muerto a viable lead for a movie when he's appeared in 2 comics ever just lays bare how poor their decision-making has been. Now we have Hypno-Hustler and Jackpot in the works, seriously who even are these characters? Plus apparetly a Sinister Six movie... with no Spider-Man, it's ridiculous. All of this while we haven't seen Miles Morales, Black Cat, 2099, Spider-Gwen, Silk, Noir or Superior Foes in live-action. A Black Cat movie could easily work, she's a relatively well known villain and all they'd have to do is make a heist movie, it should be a no-brainer for Spider-Man villains to give a solo project. Miles has been something fans have wanted in live-action for over a decade now, what's stopping them? At this point I'm glad they aren't adapting these characters because I just don't trust they'll give them the treatment they deserve with the sheer lack of creativity involved in what they're making.