Robert Downey Jr Avengers 5 & 6 Price Tag

[@studior2962]

Interesting how they can give millions upon millions of dollars to one actor but refuse to pay the comic writers who wrote the stories they are adapting, or pay their VFX workers that they constantly abuse, their well earned money

[@Sleepylevi]

Ik. It's ridiculous

[@wallflipent]

They work for free?

[@JacobD596]

100%

[@winterspidey4133]

It's ridiculous and just sad. The comic writers don't even ask for much just fair residuals and respect for their work that generates Marvel and Disney billions of dollars.

[@jackjack121]

But it’s a direct correlation with the market demand. More people are watching the movies than reading the comics. Tell people to read the comics and the writers and artists will be paid in kind. Not my opinion, just facts. No one should be abused at their jobs but VFX teams are a dime a dozen.

[@JustSomeMexicanwithaMustache]

I think RDJ COULD be a great Doctor Doom, but there are so many different actors out there, and yet they cast RDJ as Doom. This is the first time I feel like they put the actor first before the character.

[@Sleepylevi]

This got me hooked. Idk about u. I'll be there to see rdj return as a baddie

[@joshuamantock4037]

@@SleepyleviI’ll be there with you.

[@dariussanders6974]

I agree

[@tonybravado8231]

Perfectly said. I know he probably wouldn’t come, but I would’ve thrown the house at Denzel and see what he would’ve said. A two to three movie deal, might’ve been able to pull it off.

[@Beezle66]

And maybe those actors didn't want to take the role and be tied down to 10 years and have crazy fans in their face asking them MCU stuff ALL the time. RDJ is built for being the face of the MCU

[@jackhickox]

people won’t be confused, audiences aren’t dumb, and this is a genius way of giving the character and casting a complete 180.. i don’t know why y’all hating so much in these comments when we all know Robert’s gonna murder this role and finally show us the Doom we deserve in live action, regardless of his long history as iron man and all the external factors troubling ppl with this casting . 🙏🏻💚

[@alexman378]

And you still think they weren’t desperate? RDJ said he would only work with the Russo’s. As of last month, Disney approached Shawn Levy for Avengers 5. This means they basically went to RDJ within this timeframe, and were ready to give him whatever he asked for to get him back. Sounds like the textbook definition of “desperation”.

[@youtubeislame-c1m]

To be fair we only heard rumors about Shawn Levy last month, and even if the rumors are true who knows when he was actually approached. This is still a Hail Mary move on Disney’s part, clearly a pivot happened at some point in their plan after the Jonathan Majors situation

[@dennito5384]

12:17 perfect ad placement 😂

[@RoyConwell]

I usually fast forward through the ad but that transition was so savage that I watched the whole ad this time.

[@monicadelgado5296]

Yeah!

[@johnniiee146]

Well if Dr. Doom is an existential threat in the MCU, seems fitting that Downy Jr. Should be an existential financial threat to the MCU franchise. 😅

[@jamiepeterson1981]

$200m for an actor to do two films and you still don't think this was made out of desperation? That's the budget for an entire movie.

[@michaelm1221]

If will smith made 100 mil for Man in Black3, a capped 100 mil depending on box office for rdj is not ridiculous. The last time rdj+russos+avengers film got marvel nearly 5 Billion dollar in box office. If rdj ends up walking away with 200 mil, it likely means marvel just hit their second biggest pay day since endgame

[@jboogie45213]

Lol... Since when does paying a talented, successful actor a lot of money equal desperation?

[@sakati5225]

​@@jboogie45213It's what the cry babies are shouting out nowadays.

[@DRDR3ADSA]

​@@jboogie45213 since supply and demand was invented?

[@SuperBenjimen]

I love how money gets thrown around with these people like it’s nothing meanwhile people who actually work for a living to put food on the tables for their families don’t make nearly enough to get by especially in todays economy

[@chadwickmejia6205]

well though i agree they are also the people creating entertainment for us to get lost to after long days of hard work

[@MRLONG758]

Does Joe Schmoe the plumber draw millions of people around the world to pay to see him fix a kitchen sink? Me thinks not. It's simply economics.

[@Steven-sd2zi]

Dr Doom was never done right in the movies

[@AliFrankTheTank]

why i don’t get he peoples up roar lol

[@dariussanders6974]

In my opinion, recycling RDJ isn’t the only way for the franchise to be successful again. If they would have casted another A-lister to play Doom, I’m sure it would be just as good. I love RDJ but Dr.Doom needs his own identity outside of Stark.

[@jonrahproductions]

Both Avengers films are gonna cost 200 million before a single frame has been shot. How do y’all not see what a bad idea this is?

[@MrDEtheridge]

Couple of things: 1. Doom has only been done in a movie 4 times. Not 5. (Corman, the two original Fox movies, then Fan4stic) 2. In those movies, he has NEVER been portrayed as “traditional.” Or classic Doom. (Maybe in the Corman movie, but like he said that barely counts.) 3. Why does John (and everyone else for that matter) seem convinced that RDJ being Doom automatically means that we are NOT getting a traditional and classic Doom? They have proven that they are cool with playing fast and loose with the definition of “Variant.” I’m pretty convinced that RDJ is gonna play Victor, not Tony. Maybe that is too hard for other people to warp their head around.

[@nikunjdixit3225]

It’s going to be very confusing for people if he’s not playing a variant. Comic book fans may be able to wrap their heads around the fact that multiverse means different characters can look the same but I doubt that some in the audience will accept it without question.

[@prochetoshsanyal]

@@nikunjdixit3225 Spoiler for deadpool and wolverine Chris Evans literally did that and audiences were fine.

[@nikunjdixit3225]

@@prochetoshsanyal Chris Evan’s was a cameo and his FF role pre-existed the MCU. RDJr literally was the face of the MCU as Tony Stark and arguably still is. It’s a whole different story given he’s supposed to play such a major villain in two Avengers movies.

[@hdw1502]

Matt Damon could have been the highest paid actor if he didn’t decline James Cameron’s offer for Avatar.

[@StephenStepz]

How much was he offered?

[@bestplayerjeff6679]

@@StephenStepz$250 million that includes base pay and backend points

[@StephenStepz]

@@bestplayerjeff6679 traumatising mistake.

[@paulsuter5816]

@@StephenStepz 10% of avatar’s box office.

[@snowkhan99]

Doctor Doom has never been done right, and this is again a step in the wrong direction. Taking one of the greatest comic characters and making him a variant of a different character, especially Tony, strips him of being his own individual character. To say the other movies were even trying to attempt a traditional Doom is laughable.

[@spacechampi0n]

It's clearly in a universe other than 616. Therefore they have to cast someone else as Doom for those other universes, which I have no doubt we'll see.

[@snowkhan99]

@spacechampi0n There's no guarantee they will cast other Dooms. Seems pretty clear that this is their main Doom, whether he's from 616 or not, is irrelevant. If it is a bait and switch and they have another Doom who is the main one, then sure. But making RDJ their main universe Victor reduces the character to just a Tony Stark variant.

[@KingOfMadCows]

They have not done the traditional Dr. Doom 4 times. They've only done it once in the Corman movie. They changed Dr. Dooms origin in both the Chris Evans F4 and the Trank F4. Doom was a CEO in the Evans F4 and a computer scientist in the Trank F4. They have not done dictator of Latveria Dr. Doom except for the Corman film.

[@grimdicer152]

Ryan Reynolds should have whispered into a mic..."They're going to have you do this until you're 90"

[@AliFrankTheTank]

little does he know 😂😂😂😂

[@garymurphy6901]

That's way 2 much money 💰 they better get these films 1000% right

[@chrisretzlaff2895]

As long as the trailer is amazing, they'll get the money. 200 opening weekend

[@patrickmcgehrin8993]

The dumbest thing the MCU has ever done 😢.

[@monicadelgado5296]

They might make it work and I think this is just a vairat not the main mcu dr. Doom.

[@BullseyeRey]

What is John talking about? We have never gotten a traditional Doom in any of the previous films.

[@LocalMultiplex]

He clearly doesn't know the comics. Dr. Doom is supposed to be a sorcerer but the other movies made him a lightning man, a cyborg, etc

[@countdooku7152]

Point that out to John and he'll do some mental gymnastics to try to explain why he's right.

[@EdertheJust]

John is losing it.

[@Kliqkid4life]

I can't wait to see Chris Evans to come back... as magneto.

[@nrp5791]

John Campea needs a drinking game for his show. For example every time he says, "with that down" & "the questions for you," everyone takes a drink 🍻.

[@DubChampion]

I like RDJ but thats just greedy my guy

[@JezzaBondiBeach]

The reason RDJ casting comes off as such a blatant Hail Mary is, we KNOW: 1. This wasn’t the original plan 2. The new F4 wasn’t going this way originally and may suffer for it 3. They spent years on a prolonged build to Kang 4. This is a very public, desperate pivot 5. It’s lazy AF

[@studior2962]

It's also a third case of white washing Doctor Doom

[@JezzaBondiBeach]

@@studior2962I didn’t even think of that 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@alpine_newt]

@@studior2962 Whitewashing? He's called Victor von Doom, possibly the whitist name ever.

[@Alton7771]

How do you know it’s lazy casting the same actor for a different role isn’t lazy you may not like it But that doesn’t mean it’s lazy

[@jeremyfields9009]

@@studior2962Dr Doom is white

[@oddman2435]

Anyone remember his documentary about wall street and how he gets disgusted after seeing the hunger for money those people have ? A full circle moment for him .

[@nathanthomas5133]

Yet you have no idea how much he gives in philanthropy each year…..? You assume he’s taking the cash & being a dick with it like Elon

[@josephhouston6639]

They have absolutely positively never done an accurate and or Traditional Doctor Doom in film.I think RDJ could be interesting but saying they’ve done it 4 times is crazy

[@calvinong1968]

New Mask .. Same Task 1st Mask - Iron Man, build the MCU 2nd Mask - Dr Doom, rebuild the MCU

[@dontapinkney3994]

95% percent also doesn’t know that Deadpool characters name is Wade Wilson

[@martinalbert29]

With Downey in I am pretty sure both avengers films will pass 2Billion.

[@LazyEyeNZ]

Love the timing of the ad placement 😂 as someone who finds the ads disruptive i can appreciate this lol

[@LocalMultiplex]

10:00 they've NEVER done the traditional Doctor Doom. He's a goddamn sorcerer and they've tried making him a mutant, a cyborg, etc.

[@byronkennedy7203]

Another reason this was a dumb move. They put the actor over the character.

[@ChunkyLemonMilk]

The placement of the ad made me lol! “But guess what?… we want to thank a sponsor of today’s episode, Hungry Root”

[@AndJusticeforAll567]

The films will need to make around 2B each at this rate to make a good profit after all the cast and advertising costs...the films and TV shows coming out before then better be top notch or the interest won't be there anymore.

[@KenFisk]

Those poor visual effects artist having to pull these two movies off for pennies

[@zuzauramek9850]

Marvel started with Robert Downey Jr. They built an empire in 20 years and one CEO who was not smart destroyed that in one year. To rebuild fast they need someone who people will watch and recognize. Who works as an actor and character. They will throw a truck of money at him and it still will be cheaper if they would rebuild it painfully slow without him.

[@lautimhum6734]

All those money that could have gone to vfx artist ,set designer, make up artist, writer and comic book artist but instead it all go it RDJ bank account, what a shame. They could've have made 3 to 4 indies film with RDJ salary alone and it probably be better than whatever Avenger 5 and 6 are.

[@andrewbuckley3061]

Stroke of genius is a bit of a stretch 😅

[@roidjones]

He's shilling again

[@AndyDandyMandy]

The Doctor Doom's in the 2005/2007 movies and the 2015 reboot were not "traditional", John. Comic book Doctor Doom is not the CEO of a company where he gets ousted from and has electricity powers, and he is not a computer hacker incel like he was in the 2015 movie. What was it about those takes that was "traditional"?

[@2319woody]

I’d argue that the previous Dr. Doom attempts are just as much deviations as this RDJ one. Nothing about those adaptations has made me say “what an accurate depiction of Doom” lol

[@joshhonea6012]

BUT GUESS WHAT?!? we’d like to thank a sponsor of todays video

[@manololunafueyo7217]

I swear, I ran to the comments to see if anybody would point this out 😂

[@michaelpowers6551]

Lmao! I’m glad I’m not the only one! They was so perfectly timed

[@jmichael4685]

John : This might totally blow up in their faces , absolutely. BUT GUESS WHAT . . . . we wanna thank a sponsor of todays episode, hungryroot GENIUSES EDITING LOL

[@chrisretzlaff2895]

That was great

[@ChunkyLemonMilk]

I was driving and listening to this and laughed out loud when I heard it.

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

That's the price tag of a desperate salvage operation.

[@DeadPool263]

Calling the other attempts at doctor doom “traditional” is laughable. Doing the traditional doctor doom WOULD be something new, because it hasn’t been done. RDJ as a Tony stark doctor doom variant could work, or it could be terrible. I think it’s a challenge to make that work. So we will see.

[@thekylepace]

The transition to sponsor was 😙👌 chefs kiss

[@brennanmacdonald03]

John: “BUT GUESS WHAT?👹 We want to thank a sponsor of today’s episode, Hungryroot😇”

[@torohill1985]

Sounds like the MCU was very desperate to get RDJ back. I feel bad for the rest of the cast. Not enough money to go around.

[@emoney6692]

12:16 “This might totally blow up in their faces, but guess WHAT!!……we want to thank the sponsors of today’s episode: Hungryroot.”

[@AzariahPage]

LMAO

[@DrSprigs]

10:13 ... Thats one of the worst takes John has ever had , on what planet did those movies have a traditional Dr Doom? dude the fact he said this all with a straight face is hilarious. The reason people didn't like those Dr Dooms is because they WEREN'T anything like comic book Dr Doom 🤣 drivel.

[@duncanlandon2328]

John’s got some pretty stupid takes every once in a while 😂

[@EdertheJust]

He's been having some horrible takes lately.

[@ngin98]

idc how successful it is this just shows marvel takin the safest & easiest route to rebound the mcu, its desperate & I would’ve expected more from them

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

There MIGHT be a way to pull RDJ Doom off. Have him be masked all the time. He doesn't quip or even raise his voice unless absolutely necessary. This would also be some new ground in RDJ's acting range. Problems: 1. He might just end up mimicking Ed Norton from Kingdom of Heaven 2. Disney would NEVER let him be under that mask all the time. 3. He's Iron Man. No matter what happened, that's the guy who said "I am Iron Man". That's ruined now.

[@TheFinland69]

"BUT GUESS WHAT?! We want to thank our sponsor in this video" killed me lol.

[@MrSmellGoodt]

Lottery ticket paychecks lmao “stroke of genius” I can’t wait to see how this plays out 🍿

[@reallyakshar5580]

Damn!! That advertisement plug! 🤣😂 Kudos to the editor!

[@NoahFromOhio]

The ad placement in this video is amazing. Gave me a good chuckle.

[@corysweet2199]

I was just about to say the same. Editing was on point.

[@ThePonderer]

And we can’t get any of this money to the writers and artists who actually make the comics we pull from because…?

[@TheIzzeCream]

So just on lead actor (antagonist) and directors, they have already put down 140 mil on each movie? Thats how much the entire budget for Iron man 1 was. What the hell

[@shteevieroy]

yep. wonder how much the smaller people like the VFX crews are going to get stiffed as a result over a deal like this too. its cool they are getting these people back n a safe bet.. but at such a high cost?! its going to have to be a 1.6 to 2 billion movie to make these number close to worth it. its crazy. they're swinging for the fence! i do hooe it works out but... wow...

[@asyme9717]

Waste of the greatest villain in the MCU. Can't believe they're not doing the traditional version with a brand new actor. Just soul crushing.

[@timothywatters4774]

Was looking forward to Dr. Doom finally done correctly. The classic rivalry between Reed Richards and Dr. Doom could still make for a good story

[@locutus1126]

I agree. I was expecting him to be main adversary over course of next phase. RDJ decided to cash in and Feige was probably desperate to make a splash.

[@williamroper5422]

Soul crushing? That's a little dramatic

[@isaacm209]

Greatest villain in the MCU? He’s never been in the MCU. And maybe watch the movie before you make up your mind. It could be good could be bad. And that’s the same for if they used the traditional way.

[@TEExTIMEPODCAST]

THEN DONT WATCH IT THEN. You TRY HARD COMIC READER ! Newsflash ! The MCU is not the same as the COMICS. That’s the good thing about the MCU. Can you imagine Tony stark being Doom. And is in earth 616 ! And he kills spiderman and takes off his mask and they see tony stark from another universe! The STORELINES are ENDLESS

[@_kimnguyen]

RDJ's involvement with the movies will add more to the box office total than his salary so I'm not surprised at how much he's getting paid. His presence basically pays for itself.

[@orangeismedia]

I like where the ad break came in at. Genius! 💪🏿

[@adamhayes2528]

James Cameron spending the most money to make whole new worlds in Avatar and MCU over here matching the Avatar budget with just paying the cast and crew 😂

[@haroonsadiq4319]

They haven’t tried it the traditional way. He was never dictator of Latveria and they always gave him weird superpowers. His GENIUS was never the real threat.

[@visavis077]

You know MCUs problem for a while was being able to be invested in the villain… this RDJ casting solves that in spades

[@Theobbr20]

I hadn’t really thought about it like that, you are correct. People didn’t care about kang and now there’s not much time to build up another villain people will be invested in, that is solved by RDJ

[@Jetse_Dv]

GUESS WHAT we like to thank a sponsor… that’s gold. 😂

[@kfw9257]

They gave Will Smith a 100 mil for MIB3? bwahahaha!!!

[@91mmafighter]

“Why not try something different by bringing back the same actor who was the face of the franchise, bring back the same directors, and same writers.”

[@TheFalladin]

It's 2026, opening night for Doomsday. Ticket cost 30-40 bucks

[@DTey22]

Yup lol it's gonna be so expensive

[@auradjinns]

Exactly and if he’s a Stark variant then he’s really just CEO Doom again.

[@guitarstuff4390]

I don’t care about the actors salaries. But they have NEVER tried a traditional Doctor Doom. The Doom character has arguably been the most altered in adaptation in each F4 film attempt

[@jeremybrown7578]

Roger Corman one was never released, so can't comment. Tim Story one had him be able to take his mask off. Trank version was Doom in name only.

[@cabwoo]

This is all desperation. Yesterday you said Hugh Jackman coming back was not desperate so what makes RDJ different? Well how about the fact that Hugh called up Ryan to star as the same f**king character he was known as to us movie fans. RDJ was brought back by Marvel to star as a different character, to save their ass since he is a high profile actor and audiences love RDJ so it was a lazy and desperate move to bring him back. You think this was a stroke of genius? really! Not long ago there were the strikes about getting better pay for people who work on these films and paying 100 million to an actor just to come back is a stroke of genius? you must be on some high level drugs to BS that out! So Marvel has tried doing Doctor Doom the same way 4 times yes? I would argue the horrible Fantastic Four 2015 movie version was not the traditional way was it? how each character (Doom and others) got their powers was also different to the ones that came out in 2005 and now Marvel is going back to its original roots with Fantastic Four, if im not mistaken? and if so, why can't Marvel do the same with Doctor Doom? because DESPERATE, thats why!

[@EdertheJust]

It's 100% desperation. Marvel has been going downhill and looking for an easy pop with getting RDJ.

[@carlosflorez09]

But guess what….”I want to thank the sponsor”…the editing of this clip was spot on!

[@Altaira17]

Dr. Doom will be taken down by Kate Bishop with a trick arrow.

[@mickfox3262]

Lol

[@shanemitchell7822]

“But GUESS WHAT! We want to thank a sponsor of today’s video…”

[@jordanparks6885]

Perfect Ad transition. Had me in stitches.

[@maddoxglow3268]

Low paid Actors that protested against the movie production companies should have been protesting against the high paid actors 😂😂😂..200 mill is crazy..high paid actors ok with low paid actors getting paid more but not at their expense 😂😂

[@travonlewis8134]

Cillian Murphy was right there doom should not be reduced to a evil tony stark terrible decision hope I'm wrong tho

[@visavis077]

John is SERVING with these finger wags lol

[@Alton7771]

I love how people think this is lazy and it’s going to be bad without even reading the script and knowing anything about it.

[@DRDR3ADSA]

John still doesn't get it... It's not about the 5% nerds, it's about the 95% mainstream audience. Jon or Ray said it on Monday... The entire audience is going to be waiting for the hero arc (because RDJ IRON MAN GOOD GUY) that never comes. If anything, Doom becomes a bit of a bitch in SW. Let's play a game.. Imagine they announced Cilian Murphy as Doom: you get the same pop, hype but pay way, way less, no audience confusion and zero people asking "Omg why didn't they bring RDJ back" because literally nobody asked for this

[@zayxo1495]

Who’s to say Cillian Murphy wanted to play Doom? He could’ve passed on the role along with other actors that were linked to it.

[@gnewt75]

These stories had better be GREAT! If not, they cannot justify this much money for RDJ and the Russo Brothers. I hope they understand that the reason the Iron Man to Endgame movies were so well received were due to the stories being very good to very great every year. Not just because stars are in it.

[@jaylovespti]

Amen

[@rahsaanhill5781]

John Travolta would’ve pulled it off too

[@randallguzik3764]

I’m going disagree…his salary could fund so many schools,for decades…the movies are going to have to make insane money to break even, and I don’t think the pop was that loud…it wasn’t overly huge…

[@thats_suber]

John is biased. This is nothing new. Just let him have his fun 😅

[@kool-o4823]

Things like this make me believe Katt Williams about these “secret parties” &stuff that goes on in those Hollywood hills

[@bigjsquare1988]

All I have to say is that the transition to the ad in this video is pretty amazing lol. 12:12

[@come2theDarkside]

🤣🤣

[@brilybril7821]

These films will easily make 1.5 billion dollars at minimum. Small change really

[@worlddd7777]

Two things are for sure, actors are way way waaay over paid and Romans were right about actors

[@jordantuley188]

I’m excited for 2 reasons: 1) being that we get RDJ back and it won’t affect our love of iron man and 2) As mentioned in Deadpool, marvel is very aware of their recent fall off..this double down is the biggest risk they’ve ever taken

[@efrainrosado5923]

I think actors are over paid 😂

[@khalidsena3505]

If this move backfires , we all gotta come back to this video and give John shit 🤣

[@mbrooks1991]

I would've had like to seen someone like Michael Fassbender take on the Doom role but hey let's see what RDJ has in the tank.

[@catherinehubbard1167]

To me, this is a foolish decision, both because of the high cost it will add to this movie and because of issues with the actor choice. RDJ Jr has been wonderful, irreplaceable as Iron Man. He is a much less of a fit - physically, temperamentally, and by language accent - for Dr Doom as presented in the comics. And he is getting too old for a new important character. Much better to carefully choose a new, younger actor who fits the part and doesn’t require such a high salary. But they just couldn’t resist what looked like a quick win to get cheers for a beloved actor at a convention. That studio just isn’t being run like a business, let alone one that has been losing so much money. So many predictably stupid decisions, and I believe this is another one.

[@viniv852]

That ad placement was perfect 😂

[@BorgesProduction]

Leave RDJ out! He’s a great actor and irreplaceable Iron Man, but for the love of God he already paid his due! Move on Marvel!

[@viktorberg4097]

It's not "The MCU" anymore it's RDJ verse now😂🎉

[@jeremyfields9009]

I heard from people who know nothing about comic books talking about RDJ coming back to play Dr Doom and how they’re excited. Casuals/mainstream do not care about accurate comic lore. The Avengers films will make bank so it’s pointless being upset about RDJ playing Doom. You should actually be upset at yourselves for letting Antman 3 flop that’s the real reason this situation is happening.

[@martinubani9326]

"but guess what!!" "we wanna thank the sponsor for this video, hungry root" 🤣🤣

[@seang3698]

like a great man once said, "Its not what you're worth, its what you negotiate". Good for him. As far as RDJ being Doom, I think the MCU has earned the respect (even if their recent slate of films hasnt been top tier) and right to try the Doom story this way as John stated that Doom the old way has been tried and failed. I think people should take a breath and lets see how it goes.

[@TheRocketNasty]

its just lazy and desperate

[@ScornedJayce]

Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, the writers were the heroes behind the camera for the success of those films. Russo Brothers being back is good but I'm even more glad that at least one of those writers came back.

[@aliensuperstar7622]

I’m so sick of yall trying to make excuses as to why this casting was a good idea. Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?

[@Phelie315]

Ooooor, and go with me here, maybe people actually like the casting? Like, I personally am fine with it. Would have been fine with someone else as well, but I'm willing to see where this goes. (But that paycheck is still ridiculous)

[@MrPoppunk182]

I disagree they've done a traditional Doom in the movies before. They've NEVER done a traditional Doom because those versions John mentioned weren't that either. They always shoehorned Doom's origin in with the Fantastic Four's; making his abilities and/or look come from the same place that gave the Four theirs. They never or rarely touched his Latverian origins or his mother and the more magical side of things. He's more than just another smart tech guy that puts on a "super" suit. Like John, I'm optimistic and I do see the genius of this choice, within the vacuum of the MCU and not acknowledging any prior comic book knowledge. However, as a massive Doctor Doom fan, I also really wanted it to be done right. Regardless, I hope RDJ delivers and rejoins himself on the list of "Cry baby casting choices that turned out iconic" i.e.. himself/Tony, Hugh/Wolverine, Keaton/Batman, Heath/Joker, etc.

[@rmarkette]

I was thinking the same thing. I was hoping to get a slow build with a new actor who would play the hero - the savior of Latveria - in one movie who then turns bad in later movies. I will always wish for Doom to have gotten an entire saga of build up rather than this sudden appearance in two movies at the end of this Multiverse Saga.