PHIL COLLINS:”THERE WERE RATS EVERYWHERE!”-CREATING GENESIS 1974 ALBUM ‘LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY'

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[@leehendrickson3030]

After seeing the latest interview with Phil from Drumeo, I've relised that I took Phil's talent for granted, but what a body of work he has left us to enjoy, hope for the best for him.

[@sirgilmour]

Phil has always been a natural storyteller, he is genuinely funny and curious about any tiny details that others might not think worth mentioning. I would take hours of him talking about anything from the seventies and eighties period. You pick a date and a venue and you have a tale on your plate.

[@doreenhansen840]

It’s not just being a drummer it’s what’s the drummer did for this world 🌎

[@timrains5011]

Suddenly listening to loads of Phil Collins (and Genesis) songs that I probably overplayed decades ago and haven't heard since. Brilliant artist, brilliant songs.

[@hellosimonhq]

This man single handedly defined three decades of music for millions of people.

[@edenhundsdoerfer7971]

Phil Collins is an amazing brilliant artist/musician! The best ever drummer of all times!❤❤❤

[@roddlecoddle]

Brilliant interview. Love hearing Phil's take from inside the lamb era. You can't not love him

[@mayhem492]

Phil is a true gent, phenomenal musician and a professional of the highest calibre. He was/is often much derided by ‘hip’ music journalists and insecure, trend hugging music fans. Only when he is no longer around will we appreciate what an awesome talent he had.

[@ryanand154]

True Colors.

[@andrewfyfe8986]

Great interview. Used to think Phil was bit of a tosser but he really has changed my mind. Humility, honesty, humour….

[@ADVENT_MarkPtak]

I would love for them to allow someone to go thru all of those rehearsal cassettes Phil was in charge of keeping, and release those. THAT would be something to hear !

[@lawrencehartman]

You can hear some of them here on KZbin of the Lamb! Not all of the albums but thankfully at least the Lamb (which is my favorite album of theirs).

[@MrHermanRinger]

thanks for sharing, John. Amazing stuff.

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My pleasure!

[@tothelighthouse9843]

Great interview! When was this done, looks 2015-ish. The further we travel in time from the 70's & 80's, the more important these kinds of documents become. Well done.

[@stvartak7164]

Thanks!

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Thanks so much !!

[@MrFrogmorton]

Loving this from my favourite ever drummer. Your drumming on sebtp still trips me out.

[@MrENSOGA]

Love Phil and...GENESISI!!!From Galiza with love all of us

[@lifeson90]

he certainly did play great on the lamb, my personal all-time fav percussion performance

[@justmadeit2]

Phil is a great guy. Seems like the kinda guy you could easily talk to, down to earth

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He is

[@aminahmed2220]

What a awesome video have a wonderful day John also Saturday is my friends birthday ❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@johnthomas8606]

Long ago was in a high school band that did prog stuff-Yes, Floyd, & Genesis. Around the time we were deeply into the Lamb, we had a day of free form jamming-stuff similiar to the Waiting Room, and we too had the experience of having our sound move from dark to light, and the dark rainy day broke into sunshine streaming into the room where we played. It was amazing...and amazing to hear Phil tell the same story.

[@citizenpaul8289]

Was your band in Tucson, Arizona by any chance?

[@paulojosechecolibinga8667]

Maravilha estou realmente muito feliz em nosso Grande Phill bem melhor muito bom luz paz e saúde 🤝

[@nowindskimountain]

I was too young for the Lamb, but my older brother went to their concert in Oslo where the "famous" explosion took place. He says he can still remember it, and because of that there were no encore. And Phil has also stated in interviews that he remembers it very well.

[@WintersWar]

So satisfying when Phil says he liked playing on TLLDOB

[@melomane2010]

Well that was interesting. I knew Phil liked the Lamb, and I agree - his drumming on the Lamb is remarkable - I have never heard a drummer that can go so effortlessly through a series of complex time signature changes and make it all sound as natural as a straight 4/4. And yes, Tony didn't like the Lamb. He didn't like the story. And looking back at it, it seems egos got in the way, as they so often do, and that's mostly why PG left, I think. Fans like me wish they had continued to explore darker, more intense musical forms like on the Lamb, but clearly the rest of the band weren't onboard with that, which is why we got "A Trick of the Tail", a fantastic album to be sure, but not as dark and intense as the Lamb. I think in some ways PG's solo music eventually veered in the direction I thought Genesis could have gone after the Lamb, so it's all good.

[@maxxkarma]

This is just a taste thing but I think Trick of the tail is infinitely better. There is nothing on that album that I experience as being wrong, or less, or off. Maybe it is too short. I can’t say that for the Lamb.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@maxxkarma What I like about Genesis right up til after ABACAB is that EVERY album is different from every other album they did. As you say, its a taste thing, but they are SO different its really hard to compare. The irony about egos is that Tony doesn't like the lamb, but his keyboards dominate it. I've said before that Steve got caught in the crossfire of Tony not wanting Petes' vocals to take over....and HIM to take over. And Tony has admitted to that being an 'ego' thing. Trick of the Tail does sound like more of a 'band composed' album. Ironically Tonys domination on Lamb sounds very 'poppy', the story is really what makes it dark, some of hte music is just really out there. The weird thing is that Peter always wanted 'darker' and 'more rock' and yet after going solo he kind of went softer. Solsbury hill is about the most dependant on a guitar he ever got. I agree with Mike that its too bad that Pete hadn't stayed, because they were getting REALLY good as a band. Like the band says, I was one of those who thought Pete wrote all the words, then he did his solo album and they did Trick and it was clear that wasn't the case. It would have been good if they had all been laid back enough to started out doing solo stuff and then getting back together with the five of them for band stuff. Steves stuff got very interesting after that too. Come to think of it, what I liked about the band before Lamb is that every SONG sounded a fair bit different from one another.

[@roddlecoddle]

Yes it was nice to hear Phil big up his playing on Lamb. I recommend to everyone check out Genesis Archive #1 which has an end to end live version recorded January 1975. It is peak Gabriel era Genesis, he sounds amazing and Phil's drumming is exceptional throughout with the added bonus of his distinctive backing vocals intertwining with Gabriel in the period just before he took over as frontman. The rest of the band sound great too. I'm so glad this recording exists because it's such a significant era in Genesis history and it showcases the band at the time in all their glory. It will make you retrospectively mourn the loss of Peter from the band.

[@ernestomartinez4090]

A Trick Of The Tail is the best Genesis album hands down. And it is also one of the best albums of all times without a doubt. Fantastic from the first chord to the last chord.

[@7karlheinz]

I recall Phil doing card tricks for the audience at the Palace Theatre in Providence when the power had to be shut off due to the roof leaking.

[@ajs41]

1975?

[@stvartak7164]

Was the wind howling?

[@scaramonga]

Deep.

[@staggerlee6794]

Phil Collins is/was a fantastic drummer and a genuinely interesting person when interviewed but when it comes to his MTV Genesis period and his post 'Face Value' solo work, I have very little time for.

[@Driver2616]

The Lamb Lies Sown On Broadway is a real outlier in the Genesis catalogue. Fantastic album but totally different from what had gone before and what came after.

[@frankwheeler1738]

Also their best.

[@TheLastOilMan]

Saw the Lamb Brum Hip . 73 . Stunning !at that time Genesis could have done anything

[@tfrf0042]

💕💕💕

[@lifeson90]

enjoyed that, so i did

[@mulkamp8]

Probably the best album ever.

[@birdzzzondayflu2489]

6:45 time to let us hear these

[@edissa9076]

When was this interview taken like what year

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

2014 .. it’s on the video info

[@EixtremeDrummer]

Thanks a lot, John. Do you know when that interview was filmed?

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2014

[@edhanke8080]

the story on the inside cover of the album will integrate into the story found in a book called THE SECRET A TREASURE HUNT> Byron Preiss.

[@brandonhusken529]

Man, John's voice sounds just like Mike Rutherford.. lol

[@stvartak7164]

Spot on!

[@simpleman5688]

Telling us about the island would be interesting…

[@evankeal]

The mobile studio truck?

[@PhilistineTheArtLuvr]

Why would any rat bite you when you're producing the most amazing music!

[@stvartak7164]

Time traveler: "You know that great band you're listening to now, in 1977, called Genesis? Well, their short, balding, wisecracking drummer is going to be acknowledged as one of the greatest percussionists ever." Young me: "Fair enough." Time traveler: "And he will become the biggest pop star in the world. He'll even play on two continents a few hours apart for a charity event that will be broadcast live around the world." Me: "Seriously?" Time traveler: "And one of those performances will be as Led Zepplin's drummer." Me: "Umm..." Time traveler: "And many years from now, in 2024, you are going to listen to him talk about rats for three minutes." Me: "You are so full of shit."

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Have you watched some of my other Phil interviews on here ? They might inspire more of your imaginative conversations with the time traveler

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@ I have! Thank you for the service you've done for Genesis fans. These conversations have informed, entertained, and delighted for hours.

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[@DavidBorda-oz9mu]

Is this a recent interview?

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2014

[@stvartak7164]

1982

[@StevenInCornwall]

Im sure Ive seem this already?

[@christianparsons6050]

I think there's more stuff prev left out.

[@StevenInCornwall]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@christianparsons6050ah ok thanks. I thought that may be the case but there was nothing in the description about it being a longer version.

[@gerdugerdu]

Seemingly.

[@Laura-l8c9g]

You look like your health has improved

[@scrambaba]

Today if there was a single rat in a house being used by a band there would be a public health emergency and the whole property would be fumigated and poisoned before anyone would set foot in it. There might be broken contracts and lawsuits as well. Have to like the more relaxed attitudes of before…

[@mr61sprite]

I kinda find it hard to believe he doesn't know what album When the Levee Breaks is on.

[@brandonhusken529]

Why? He's lived a very long fulfilled life with more experiences than probably you and I have ever encountered. At this point when this interview happened, He can't even remember some of the things He/Genesis have done. lol

[@Roberta80]

@@brandonhusken529 Why not? He can remember the name of some farm in Wales 50 years ago, but can't remember Led Zep IV? It seems unlikely, but he does sound a little bit past it, I am sorry to say. I didn't watch past about 5 mins into the interview for that reason - Phil and Genesis are a part of my life and I want to remember them as they were, not as they are now.

[@robertneal9837]

If you look at how fast and how radically Banks, Rutherford, and Collins pivoted away from the real "prog Genesis" sound after Peter left, it's no wonder Phil can't remember which album it was on. For years, they reluctantly played an "old Medley" in concert for the die-hard "Gabriel-driven Genesis" fans in the audience in order to throw them a bone so they could get on with the new pop Genesis sound and appeal to the masses. Those three wanted to go pop so badly, they couldn't stand it. Peter was the brains of the outfit all along. Intricate lyrics and sound was what he was all about. When you look at Phil's "Sussudio" and Rutherford's "The Living Years", you realize quickly how much more input Peter had on Genesis than the one-fingered "Abacab" playing of Tony Banks. It's disgraceful how those three down-talked about Peter in the 2014 Reunion documentary of Genesis - with him in the room! The two big brains and great music came from Peter and Steve Hackett.

[@Roberta80]

@@robertneal9837 Conversely, I've always thought that Genesis really got going when Collins brought his drum strength to the band. I've also always thought that Banks was the arranging talent of the band, though maybe Rutherford had some say there too. As to the post-Gabriel stuff, I like it less as it went on; by the time of Abacab/Invisible Touch, I've pretty much tuned out, but Trick of the Tail, W&W and above all And then there were three . . . will remain favourites for as long as I live. Listen to it start to finish: It's as intricate, emotional and complex as anything they did with PG/SH. Collins' drumming is just sensational throughout. After that, they turned to Hugh Padgham, drum machines and made a US turn for big bucks and that was that. PS - not keen on any of the band member's solo work. They were a great ensemble, not great solo artists.

[@JohnBlair-p2z]

Probably because, like a lot of people, he might be of the correct opinion that Led Zepplin along with Floyd are the two most overrated groups of all time.

[@marguskiis7711]

Within 9 years 2014 -- 2023 Phil drank himself into total human wreckage.

[@Rondo2ooo]

Stop saying stupidities. Or you are a troll or just ignorant. Work on improving, dude.

[@rhythmfield]

Totally untrue - person who posted the video please note: troll-y comments by sad, lost people can be removed/deleted, just FYI

[@marguskiis7711]

​@@rhythmfield so, what is true? Phil himself have talked about his serious substance problems through the decades. So, why you accuse me such way? I work with seriously addicted people and I know the things well.

[@PH-pn2yu]

​@marguskiis7711 Phil Collins speaks about his drinking in his autobiography Not Dead Yet. He began drinking heavily in 2006 after a combination of factors: retirement, crippling back pain, and the breakdown of his marriage and facing being separated from his two young sons. He quit drinking in 2012/2013 after nearly dying as a result of alcohol abuse. His health continued to deteriorate due to botched back and arm surgeries, nerve damage that resulted in losing feeling in his foot, which caused him to need to use a cane, and thinning bones due to prednisone injections in the 80s/90s for his throat and other injuries, all of which Phil shares in his book and in multiple interviews. Please take the time to gather the facts before denigrating someone's character.

[@marguskiis7711]

​@@PH-pn2yu he did not write that he stopped drinking for good. Never. I am working with homeless people, most of them are harcore alcohol addicts. They all have the same issues: legs are not working, outlook shabby, not caring about their look, speaking slurry, talking slow, victim mindset.

[@sluggo3slug]

Phil is laborious to listen to. Seems medicated

[@big_jimcooley2679]

Really, I did not find that at all. Loved him talking about the rats. The waiting room conversation is great as well...

[@jimfarrell4635]

He has had spinal cord issues and a lot of pain in his upper and lower limbs for years. I suspect he may have been taking opiates, possibly with muscle relaxants and perhaps anticonvulsant drugs for nerve pain. Unfortunately these meds can cause a brain fog with memory and concentration issues. He may have had alcohol issues in the past as well, but I don't think that's what is going on here. He has had a hard time but remains one of my musical heroes. The drumming on Cinema Show on Seconds Out (presumably with Chester Thompson) is utterly astonishing. I haven't heard anything like it outwith the realms of the very best jazz drummers.

[@aMan-or9ij]

@@jimfarrell4635 Cinema Show is the only '76 track on Seconds Out. It's from the Trick of the Tail Tour featuring Bill Bruford on drums and percussion, along with Phil. You're absolutely correct to describe it as utterly astonishing. When the keyboard solo starts it's Phil on drums while Bill plays an assortment of percussion instruments. Eventually Bill gets back behind his kit and the two trade licks. Brilliant!

[@jimfarrell4635]

​@aMan-or9ij That is fascinating. I appreciate you passing on that info. Bill Bruford is another genius on the drums, and I was not aware he ever played live with Genesis despite being obsessed with that particular piece of music for years. It's one I come back to again and again. Cheers !

[@aMan-or9ij]

@@jimfarrell4635 Highly recommend the 1976 Genesis bootlegs on KZbin - there are some really good ones, as well as the Seconds Out Tour video where you can watch Bill with Genesis.

[@bobbydempster3056]

drunk ...

[@JOHNEDGINTONDOCUMENTARIES]

Not at all. He was jet -lagged and taking painkillers . He had several ops on his shoulder & back in the previous years

[@wjstephens4654]

From Lamb Lies Down on Broadway to We Can’t Dance: the degeneration of a band from a creative force to commercial pablum.

[@iainhay2823]

Classic I love the lamb so I’m better than you Genesis gatekeeper comment. Absolutely no need for it. Let people enjoy what they want, all music is good it just may be not to your liking. I know what I like and I like what I know…. I love the lamb myself but I’m not going to hate on later music, it’s also great in its own way.

[@wjstephens4654]

@@iainhay2823 I never said I’m better than anyone. I think your comment says more about you than me. Classic ad hominem attack from someone who has no argument other than the ridiculous “all music is good” statement. Sad.

[@iainhay2823]

@@wjstephens4654 it certainly says I’m happy to let people enjoy what they enjoy👍 I have no argument for that I agree, I don’t need one as it’s simply a nice opinion to have. Dismissing something as commercial garbage however when that’s a matter of opinion is intrinsically dismissive of others who do enjoy it gives off a different message no matter the language you choose to dress it up.

[@andrewfyfe8986]

Isn’t that true of every single band from Beatles (LIB/Solo), through to Stones and Fleetwood Mac.