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[@packerbacker9109]

It’s nice to see a non tik tok build and back to the reason why I subbed to this channel in the first place. Let’s gooooo

[@chrisferguson1911]

AMEN!

[@MarcFittante]

Totally agree. I was wondering why he’s not at a million subs then I remembered tick Tok

[@michaelwillson6847]

End the year reckon he'll be at mil

[@ShaneChristopher]

I agree!! I love shop infrastructure builds

[@toastedfoolery7137]

dude thank you. i thought i was the only one to notice the "low effort" videos. not to cast shade on john but the videos that made this channel great are becoming more and more rare. dont let the algorithm dictate your content

[@ResinEssenceByCheri]

Hahaha I’m here for the thumbnail. In the work bench I built 5 years ago, I created a waste hole with a fitted lid with a finger hole. The size perfectly fit a coffee can underneath to catch anything I push into the hole. If I remove the can, the garbage can lives directly underneath so it’s a quick sweep into the trash, if needed.

[@brianhall9019]

Nice table. Thanks for bringing us along on the build. Suggestion. Put a few magnets on the bottom of the trash bin cutout and on the front of the pullout bin so that lid doesn’t get lost or in the way when working. 😊

[@John_Malecki]

I weirdly did that the next day!

[@brianhall9019]

Really, magnet to the bin. Dang, we smart fellas!

[@maddogshwa]

Lap joins are surprisingly easy to do. They are strong AF and make assembly easy.

[@ScottRoth1986]

These are the kinds of videos that got me hooked, not the TikTok stuff. This was great and please consider making more!

[@John_Malecki]

glad you like it scott. Thanks

[@kennethbezanson4266]

Using a clamp to pull those wedges in seems like a beautiful solution. No need to pound them in which might shift everything else too 😎

[@FeelingLikeThatNow]

In my experience, the chisel point on a brad nail can and does tend to cause any deflection out of the wood to go perpendicular, or 90 degrees to the orientation of the nailer, so I in fact hold it the other way to the how you suggested, so I can hopefully avoid a nail deflecting sideways out of trim and casing. All it takes is a small bend in the nail and it will steer itself very quickly in a different direction, and if the nail curls up somehow it can even come out the front and sometimes even back into the material. I say from experience, safety is important, and a good rule is to never have your hand in front of the nailer, however a deflection can send a nail back towards you as well, so ALWAYS wear safety glasses. My two cents.

[@matthewmangold5144]

Came here to say this same thing! I'd rather just move my hand out of the way and risk a blow out at the top of the panel rather than put the sides.

[@bmedicky]

The mindset that works for me is to ask myself: how would I hold the nail gun if it were a pneumatic stapler instead? Staples usually only make sense in one orientation. That orientation is also the one that works best for brads.

[@baraksinz]

Agree! John has it backwards.

[@bmac1629]

The flipping of the laminate sheet was pretty scary, as someone who works with that material fairly regularly. As you found out its quite sharp...a cracked edge like that will function the same as a razor blade against your skin. Those sheets only bend in 1 direction at a time, so if youre flipping it either roll it over on itself on a bench... or hang it vertically first between 2 people then turn.

[@John_Malecki]

Yep we learned that one the hard way!

[@mattb.2359]

I work with this material once in a while, and we use at least 3 people when cutting a fresh 4x8 sheet. But, yes, it really only likes to bend in one direction at a time.

[@bmac1629]

@@mattb.2359 I can cut a 5x12 sheet by myself on a table saw using an out feed table to catch both sides of the cut, but its definitely a bit tricky at first. Having long arms to reach up the long sides of the sheet while you are standing at one of the short ends helps. Curling it into a gentle curve along the short side makes it fairly stiff, and you just ease up the tension as you pass through the saw so its basically flat by the time youre close to being finished cutting it.

[@jaceschmidt8304]

0pp😊😊😊😊

[@sethpittman2362]

This was a big win to see! Loved this video. PSA: Laminate is as sharp as a razor blade. I've never been cur worse than by melamine/sheets of laminate

[@Moondog-wc4vm]

Same. I've cut my fingers with razor blades and scalpels (art and craft in school in the 80's for the razors and modelling with the scalpels) Cutting myself with laminate while doing DIY work at home for my family was just as bad. One day while building and laminating a desk I caught a finger with a saw, and it's neighbour with the edge of the laminate. The edging was definitely worse. Still not as painful and irritating as a paper cut though 😉

[@JohnT2001]

I work with laminate a lot. Cutting them is best on some form of table saw or dimension saw. As for sticking them spray glue out of the canisters with a proper hose and gun is the easiest way. You need a face a a backer on panels though in order to prevent long term warping

[@bgpappy30]

Thank you John for sharing your story and build’s with us all! It’s great and when I get a shop, I will build this. Thank you. ONE LOVE TO ALL!

[@Miastrong930]

Build a fresh air shower with a spinner to wring out wet items. When you get one from the beach, lake, outdoor water activities. Rather than drag in mud, sand, etc. leave it outside. This is especially useful for kids, guests and pets when you get home and need to get rid of mud and sand. Since it is not sewage is drainage is less complicated depending on local ordinances. You will save on plumbing expenses. Sand is like concrete in a drain trap. This can be as simple as a box or a more complex spa. Best case would be a modular design with additional modules built over time.

[@ShopNation]

That little offcut waste hole is a great idea!

[@SchysCraftCo.]

Very nice add on John. Hopefully you get great use out of it for many years to come my friend. Can't wait to see more videos soon. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Fab On. Weld On. Keep Making. Stay squirrely. God bless.

[@stephenbevitt4202]

The offcut bin idea is brilliant. I'm cutting that into my workbench as soon as I get back to her. Greetings from Sydney Australia

[@lukassawatzky604]

I miss Sam and Jordan.

[@elliottanderson9507]

I am a fan of drawing exposed center lines for hidden wood so that later if needed you can always nail or screw without missing the "stud"

[@Sunkencitydesigns]

Please more video like this!! This was epic!

[@josecanyousee56]

Great now his head will get even bigger. Way to go.

[@JaredSVX]

12:25 I wish I had known this a couple of weeks ago! I was using a nail gun for the first time, and my nails kept deflecting out of the side of the wood...now it makes sense!

[@andybrown4284]

Building something that you'll see and use regularly the finish doesn't need to be fancy but if the thing itself is off you'll end up hating it as you'll notice the wonk more and more.

[@coreyevans1979]

They make laminate snips. I do cabinets for a living. It takes 2” clips off, and stays true to your line and you can can run the whole cut without having the issue you may have with tin snips once you’re well into the cut.

[@stevenvanhasselt4693]

😮😮😮😮😢😮

[@thomasfloyd6714]

Truly like practical well built things more than anything else

[@ScottStephenSmith]

This video was a great return to a vibe so many of us love.

[@JackyKongD]

Really wish you guys were uploading every week again

[@adamcolvin2742]

Good to see you making something unique again. Love it

[@robertapreston4200]

Very nice.... wish I had a shop space available so I could build this table.

[@user-xl3mh9dz1x]

Good to see you making something unique again. Love it. Nice work, I appreciate the build videos..

[@gianmarcomaddalena3521]

As soon as I saw you flipping over the Formica I knew it was going to crack that stuff is real delicate and to cut it you could throw it on the table saw and i would also even file the edges after routing because sometimes they corner can still be very sharp

[@fraserjoyes5972]

First time I’ve watched the whole video in a long time! Back to the woodworking I subscribed for!

[@somebodyandthem]

The TikTok build videos are so much better same with the pallet videos

[@stevedimond267]

A river table with actual water and real fish. Love the content.

[@trevhaydon5090]

Hey John, If memory serves me correctly, The chap you mentioned with the hole in his outfeed table is Timothy Wilmots, His content is like yours, must see. All the best and much respect from North London UK.

[@Aisaaax]

Build a river table with lights inside epoxy😊 Also another idea is to get a mosaic effect with epoxy. Poura sheet of colored epoxy, smash it to shards, do several colors then have a mosaic picture out of them. Pour some neutral epoxy to bind them andpolish. 😮 Also I loved your big projects before. Like Sam's backyard/overhang, your living room and kitchen, etc. Dunno if there's any opportunity to bring more of that in the future. 😮

[@Lost1nTheSauce]

Glad to see a real build going down, was getting tired of the tic tok trends

[@HighSchoolDropout96]

Thanks for the tip about the bradnailer was always wondering why it seems to go to the right or left and coming through the wood

[@pbjae8140]

That torsion box workbench looks like a Ron Paulk design.

[@Rockhopper1]

with your outfeed rubbish (hey I am British) bin, if you lined it with that non stick HPFE or whatever its called, as a shallow tray, once its full of woody goodness, wheel it out and do a epoxy pour, and make a woody goodness giant ingot, for projects and stuff.

[@adgieem1]

Love your shop. The Steeler logo is my favorite item in your shop. 😉

[@paule5812]

Looking good John, you’re looking trim 💪🏼 keep up the hard work.

[@bradanselment]

That Montana dual bit is good. Nothing else from them is worth the package it comes in lol

[@BreakdownBoxes]

Watching that laminate tear in half gave me bad flashbacks of when I used to manage a cabinet shop. I've been cut open more times than I can remember by jagged laminate edges... seeing the blood later was not a surprise.

[@markduggan3451]

That looks amazing, I wish I had the room for it in my shed.

[@AMobOGobos]

The cutoff bin is a really cool idea, but every time you pull it out and push it back in it doesn't want to go flush without a little extra work. You could make a waxed skid that it rolls into, so that when it is going into the table the track squares the bin with the table on its own.

[@jimblack6733]

Nice build! Let’s build some more!!!!!

[@dramoth64]

I would like to see a modular shop table for people with smallish garages. I'm thinking 1m x 1m mini tables that you can manouver around and lock into place to make any configuration of table you want. And then you have a collection of 1m x 1m tool tables for you to put in stuff like your table router or table saw or planer thicknesser. To move everything around, you have a wheel system that you lock down to lift the individual tables off the levelling legs. Once you're finished with whatever your working on, you can put it back onto it's wheels and move it out of the way.

[@halsti99]

for the dog holes, there are basically 2 widely used measurements. 19mm and 20mm. well, 3/4 inch is 19mm, so any 19mm acessories should fit, while the 20mm will be slightly too big :)

[@tombez6432]

Festtool uses 20mm, like most, except the colonies ;)

[@Hammerrjack]

Won't all the dog holes allow saw dust and other particles to fall through to your drawers.

[@halsti99]

@@Hammerrjack yep. they will. im guessing since they dont use that space as storage, they dont care. some people built in dust drawers to collect it, some dont put anything under it because of exactly that and some just dont bother and let it collect dust :P

[@crossbowhunter9118]

That is so cool I so want a desk like that beats my ikea kitchen top desk I love the table top

[@bobpickcrafter3361]

This is my first time watching your videos bro and I love it!!!! Not only that I noticed on the wall there is Steelers 😊😊😊

[@MRBMORROW88]

What up John. John you should look at Panel Saws. I work a cabinet shop we build custom kitchen. We got a SVP 133 Plus Vertical Panel Saw. It is awesome. It makes really quick work cutting down ply wood.

[@dougiewalls]

Love the videos , not the same without Jordan and Sam tho

[@sebastianbenner977]

Cut down on the memes. Really enjoyed a video that was actually about carpentry again though.

[@weabowoshi]

no

[@1cbrracer]

Highly recommend a round over bit instead of flush bit with the formica top. That shit will cut you like glass.

[@alfanazzamcraft]

Wow amazing method and equipment, greetings from Indonesia, ✋👍🙏♥️

[@NOLAfugee]

The bin reminds me of a flat top grill, especially hibachi for egg shells and such.

[@timlecompte8528]

Sunday night complete 🥰

[@maxclips3152]

John climbing up on the frame to test its load bearing capabilities is very much giving Big Z from surfs up bouncing on Cody's surfboard to make sure it will handle the waves

[@WarriorKidd06]

Man I love woodworking projects like this. Looking forward to getting back in my garage and building again

[@jamesgrimbeard6407]

sir, warped and bowed ply is what all of us get at the store.

[@nonenoone7567]

Hey how about building one box that you can drop in a bunch of tools in like a drill press, router, circular saw, drum sander, and a jig saw and use in the same box

[@jonpaul5255]

Nice work, I appreciate the build videos.

[@ThePirateGod]

As someone who built kitchens and laminate counters. We cut the laminate on the table saw very carefully and used many more sticks while adhering. and would use a 22.5 router bit to get rid of the sharp edge flush cut was too sharp.

[@gileadwright226]

With laminate it is way easier to use dowels when gluing it on and use a bunch of them so the laminate doesn't get stuck where you don't want and they come out easily or you can use an extension cord you don't care about, it works just as well as dowels but you will never get it clean. I have done both of those ways and it works awesome.

[@jewdd1989]

Nice build! Love the scrap bin cut out, that’s a must and the dog holes seem to be making a comeback and I can see why

[@pilotdog68]

What's the advantage of dog holes?

[@jewdd1989]

For versatility, function, etc. I don’t have any yet but the accessories you can get for standard dog holes is expansive and makes a variety of jobs easier. For example you can use dog holes as a way to hold something you’re hand planing still and in place. If you’re screwing two parts together and need a square reference and support especially for pocket hole joinery

[@overbuilts10]

I built custom commercial cabs and counters for years mostly medical cut laminate with table saw

[@RoysTimberArtTechniques-mv6gt]

I love great ideas I make wood spirit bird boxes something different ❤

[@farmterminator4777]

This might seem stupid but, what is the advantage if a torsion box over having a solid top of say 2x4s?

[@jonjonr6]

You know what would be cool... A double ended drill.

[@mattb.2359]

Easiest way I've found (through my job) for cutting laminate, is to use the table saw. Just remember to put a board under the material against the fence so it won't slide under.

[@markroper9269]

Love the video....cool ideas! Never seen plastic laminate rip like that formica.... ugh.

[@Tensquaremetreworkshop]

Packouts in drawers (0:40)- so to get a component, you- open slider unlock lid lift lid get component close lid latch lid close slider Seven steps to get an item. Drawers do it in three. And have about double the storage density. Drawers- one item deep, no more. Your MFT (9:15)- those cutouts are meant to have large radius corners. You have massively reduced the strength by cutting too much out. Frames are not needed- the whole thing can be made of sheet. Just as strong, and more storage space. Cheaper, lighter, better... I could go on.

[@Brian-mp2mv]

9:50, I want a cast steel table saw top with a router table combined

[@markwhite8543]

On your round "Thash Hole" lid, glue a magnet to the bottom and screw a large washer to the side of the bench nearby. That way you have a quick easy place to store it when not in use. It can double as a pickup tool for any leftover fasteners after assembly.

[@coreywalker2656]

Welcome to the world of pine down south that’s all we have

[@erikhoglund666]

Perfect Sunday, thanks for the video! 🎉

[@markisom78]

I built basically the same table with your old plans. Just a 3'x6' table with 1.75" maple butcher block. I also used the same Armour double T track as you did. The only thing I wished I would have changed was using dog holes instead of the T track. Because the T track, although it's top notch, has its limitations. Also I wished I would have planned for a wood vise. But I still love my table

[@pilotdog68]

Why dog holes instead of t-track? The ability to slide and place a hold down in many more positions along the track seems like a major advantage

[@markisom78]

Actually I did bore dog holes. Now I have the best of both worlds

[@jimrosson6702]

Very cool new table came out great

[@emilyrln]

I was not ready for the Taken meme 😂😂😂😂😂 oh, jeez, now my face hurts 😅

[@Connorfitzy1438]

Love all the stuff you mack keep it up mate

[@mikejarves7611]

The Shopsmith still sucks. 🤪🤪🤪

[@bocoinc.2623]

I use a circular saw with a 60t blade to cut laminate and router the final size

[@TomsBackyardWorkshop]

I'm building a small workbench now. Not fancy but trying out new construction methods.

[@MCsCreations]

Brilliant design, John! Fantastic work! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@stevenlimbach3827]

So many good ideas, although I have to laugh as your "table" is half the size of my entire shop !

[@leelatt]

for laminate, use a straight edge and score it, (they sell a scoring tool), then simply fold it along that point till it snaps cleanly.

[@zacharycarpenter5662]

Honestly i want to watch you do laminate again , when first had it on the table un rolling it, you could have hung it over extra on one side for your size and taken a flush trim router to it to cut it, using the table as a guide.

[@firesurfer]

Laminate is similar to glazed block tile in sharpness. My first day on the job at 8:10am, I barely grazed the edge of the broken block. It sliced open my wrist. Instant blood. Fortunately it was not that bad, but really messy. Over 40 years later I have the scar of shame on my wrist. Some people think I did it on purpose. An instant of not paying attention, a lifetime scar.

[@Pangchristian]

watched this video while working, and not looking at the video itself, 4:46, i thought i was watching someone else videos, and anxiously waiting for the "i know it doesn't look good right now, but watch..."

[@duralw.freeman195]

You can cut the laminate on your table saw also, a bevel edge is better to avoid cutting yourself or just file it.

[@davidkamen]

With all of those open spaces it also looks like you will be collecting lots of sawdust. Using the same design, maybe if those open spaces were covered the dust collection might be no problem.

[@matthewboyd443]

This is the reason I subscribed, finally good vid!!!!

[@woodrowsmith3400]

I was tickled to see old school Formica style laminate make a 'comeback'. It is my favorite way to 'treat' a router table top, as well as a glue-up bench. On the router table it is much easier to maintain a slick work surface, and because I use layered MDF for tops, much easier to maintain the integrity of the top by laminating all six sides. On the glue-up table a quick pass with a dull paint scraper cleans up any glue drip in a heartbeat. Even though I may only use them once in a blue moon, I keep a couple dozen 3' long 3/8" dowel rods exclusively for lam gluedowns. I noticed as John was placing the laminate he had a couple 'stickdowns'...that might have been eliminated by placing more and better (in my opinion) spacers. With twenty four dowels, I can space at 6-8" intervals and eliminate most stickdowns and with the rounded surfaces of the dowels, removing them is much easier. Dooh! I just realized that John's table is much wider than three feet, so my technique is invalid...but it still works super on countertops or other things less than three feet wide.

[@kevinf3641]

Great build.

[@tonyfox45]

here's a video idea: what tools did you build vs. buy? Example: I've seen a couple videos using steel electical conduit from HD as cauls for panel glue ups (bustedknuckles wood working YT channel if anyone's interested). So, for the frugal Wood workers out there, what tools do you build vs. buy? Also could let John remember the "old days" when he was working out of the back of his buddy's shop and couldn't afford the $10K C&C machine...

[@cblancha1187]

Looks awesome, feels like the pull out bin needs a track of some kind to keep to straight going in and out. Short term "yeah ill adjust it to be straight" long term if feels more of a hassle.

[@Wingstrat28]

Probably needs to freewheel it to a dumpster from time to time. I'd hate to have to dig a bin of cutoffs out by hand every time that filled up. Way easier to just wheel the whole thing to a loading dock and dump it in a dumpster.

[@cblancha1187]

@@Wingstrat28 I agree, i dont think you make it essentially a massive drawer, just put rails on the sides that and line up, to make it easier to pull in and out

[@sanyoshovah2887]

Well hello good sir. This is exactly what I'm gonna build next

[@dcraig-je9ud]

I would add some guide rails in the area where the cut-off bin goes in. Noticed that is would go in crooked most of the time. Simple fix.

[@gdworkshop]

Great video fantastic build.

[@lawsonpriestley9155]

You can cut the laminate on the table saw you just need a piece of half inch that’s about 15”x”15 and have a piece of 1 1/2”x 3/4” to sit in the dead space of the sawstop table saw and it won’t slide under the fence and laminate you either want to vary from end to end pinched from the middle or in the middle evenly spaced

[@Shad0wD3v]

Well it’s about damn time!

[@jimcooney9019]

great job thanks for sharing

[@anthonysmith9410]

Thats a fantastic build….I need one, where are the plans?