Is PHP Dead?

[@VPServerTips]

PHP is far from dead. The amount of programs that run on it along with other programming languages is insane.

[@john.morris]

I concur.

[@TheBendixSA]

By that logic Visual Basic 6 is also not dead, half the old corporate world still has VB6 apps sitting somewhere. PHP is declining. it's claim to fame was that it was a free kid on an expensive block, today that advantage no longer exists, and it left PHP looking less lovable.

[@gamingtutor4575]

It's funny how people think PHP is dead, simply because they don't use it, out use "graphs" which never really tell us anything. PHP is a massive well established language. It's also a very good language for newbies like myself to get into OO programming. There will always be a demand for PHP development, and it's constantly being improved upon. I'm going to be picking up module 2 of your php course, module 1 was excellent.

[@john.morris]

+GamingTutor agreed. I know it's not perfect, but it's Not as bad as they make it out to be. Glad you liked Module 1.

[@g4b3TehDalek]

I'm a newer web dev (just over a year) and I love PHP. So much so that I had decided in January to make it my strongpoint. I'm a former DBA so PHP, MySQL, and jQuery are kind of my comfort zone in this labyrinth of languages. But recently I've had several people tell me that PHP was on it's way out, and to focus on [insert language here]. I had become worried that I made a bad decision and wasted a ton of time, but now I feel very justified. So thanks a million for this vid! Time to get back to work on my rockstar language :D

[@john.morris]

Exactly who it was for. Awesome!

[@SimonNitzsche]

I use PHP and JS

[@john.morris]

smart

[@adihandoko8909]

i use HTML....:-}

[@elevenz367]

HTML Master Race

[@breeeezywaves4146]

+Nat Bradz HTML is not a programming language...

[@elevenz367]

neither is PHP or JS noob

[@ibuprofen303]

They've been saying PHP has been "dying" for at least five years now.

[@rodgetech]

I wouldn't go as far as saying it's dead, but one can say that in terms of web applications and not just websites or even basic dynamic websites; it's usually not what most people or startups chooses to use. For simple websites its awesome because its cheap to host and basically all hosting services support it but for more complex web applications it would probably be a good idea to focus on other alternatives.

[@lsping8]

what about node.js vs php ? Im currently learning node.js but in my country almost none company is using node.js so I decide to learn both now.

[@DanFletcher90]

That's kind of what I've been doing too. PHP at work, but I bounce between PHP and Node in my free time. Where I work is mostly static websites, but we're starting to take on larger projects in Laravel, so my hopes is to start including microservices that can be written in Node as a way to slowly introduce it to the ecosystem of the workplace.

[@joeburns88]

John, thanks much for the info! Yes, people seem to always trash good established products and forget the business side of it. I'm gonna take your course. Again, thanks.

[@humanyoda]

What are the *mean* and *mode* averages of salaries for PHP compared to those for other popular languages?

[@laracroft5648]

How can i open the local host?

[@MrWakeupUSA]

hello john, rob percival course is great. however, it covers alot of topics/languages (including php). what do you suggest for a beginner? html-css-php.. then add more languages?

[@Art00is00Art]

hi sir John Morris.... is it possible if you can create a video tutorial about "connecting RIFD using PHP"....... thank you!

[@MrShibaMX]

The stack overflow survey seems like a better indicator, PHP is doing just fine will do for a long time

[@deinemamainhd]

those charts only count in websites , i use php instead of bash and python as system scripts for crons etc. i even wrote a telnet listener bot for a game in php . php is so not dead, one of the most versatile, easy to master languages out there. still my favourite

[@stormshadowdomain]

I've always thought the argument wasn't accurate. Learning about WordPress from meetup groups they would always point out how much WordPress took up the website market..and since php is the engine it only made sense to learn it if you wanted to at least find entry level work fast in front end development. Great vid sir 👍

[@cuddlycode6608]

My comment is not exactly related to the content of the video, yet I'd like you to know that I truly appreciate your 'everything is possible' attitude but without exaggerating it, which unfortunately takes place in some tutorials made by others. May I ask what you've been up to recently in terms of PHP? What are the applications that seem to be most in demand?

[@tavindersingh8185]

Hi john, I love programming and I can do it for hours but sometimes I get too bored that I keep looking at my code and keep thinking for hours that I proceed or not. So how can I avoid such things as its just a time waste for me.

[@zsoltoroszlany]

It happens with me too. Try to go out, do something else, relax, but do not forget to bring paper and pencil with you, because inspiration will come and go you make a note and when you get back to work you will be more productive! Trust me, it works. ;)

[@UrbanMBC]

I know JAVA and PHP. This is only my opinion, but when I was learning it PHP seemed so much friendlier. I can believe that PHP is behind 82% of websites for this reason alone.

[@john.morris]

That's what I've heard.

[@matteogioioso896]

"I can believe that PHP is behind 82% of websites for this reason alone", yea 82% of websites with no traffic :D

[@annarodriguez6932]

@@matteogioioso896 lol

[@rahulagarwal968]

I am facing a problem that I have uploaded an demo Ecommerce site made in LAMP . so i have a table in my database for CART functionality. But i dont know know the data in the cart table increments daily and while i trace the IP address that who has put those items in his CART then i get the location of US and user domain of google.com. AND because of these , the daily unique visitors increases and i realize that they are not my customer, the google is opening my site . I dont know what is happening .... Please help me out ??

[@anonymousXYZ659]

Bro google is crawling your site and so will many other search engines ! , Adjust for google and other crawlers and you will get accurate results . But why are you doing this , just use google analytics and get much better analysis . Learn robots.txt too .

[@rahulagarwal968]

Thankxx...

[@thembelanimsongelwa1264]

John, what is better PHP or Node.js ? PHP is still good but i like to use one language for front and backend so i personally prefer that

[@john.morris]

+Thembelani Msongelwa I think objectively better is hard to know. Each had advantages and disadvantages. Personal preference is s big factor, so if you prefer one, that's totally fine. I personally always look at the job market too. You'll probably make more with Node.js if you get hired, but there's more opportunity in PHP.

[@thembelanimsongelwa1264]

True, that's why i am doing both and your PHP101 videos helped me learn it. I'm in Canada and there's market for both languages.

[@piyushsondarava7603]

Hi John, I am not skilled in developing hard-coded websites I mean from scratch from psd to html. But on wordpress, I can install it and then customize the site through the dashboard editor (stylesheet.css) or in .php (header or footer or body or sidebar) coz I can read, understand and edit those languages. I am an IT graduate and have developed a number of sites as freelance using Wordpress platform and I believe that is an easier work compared to those who really do the whole codes. So, I am wondering, can I consider myself a web developer? Thanks

[@johnstep2995]

Piyush Sondarava You're almost there buddy. but as of now you're in the of web designer stage. you can call your self as a web developer when you fully equippe this jquery, javascript, html, css, mysql, php, asp.net and many more related in web developing.

[@przemek4101]

What do you think: which language is better for developing web apps? PHP or Python?

[@MrAhmedUA]

if you a freelancer there is tons of chances for php and i recommend laravel framework

[@myztazynizta]

You should have 1 free sample from each of your 3 courses. Most of what I think I'd want from your courses in is the 3rd one.

[@siddheshdhuri]

i really think that PHP is still far from dying. Most of website out there is still developed using PHP and Java. Asking when PHP will die is like asking when c++ / C is going to die, they won't be dying since they're a powerful language even lots of language are showing up beside them.

[@sandeepvk]

Is JQuery going to replaced now with OOJ and Angular2 ( i know its a framework but is Jquery get old ?

[@DanFletcher90]

If anything, I think jQuery will die off because of native support for web components - not larger frameworks like NG2. jQuery is so popular because there are a lot of web developers that don't really know how to code. Those same developers aren't making PWAs or SPAs so it's easier for them to pull in jQuery and a suit of plugins that are easy to configure then wrapping their heads around Angular or React. As web components become more popular and begin replacing the popular jQuery plugins, it'll be easier to copy and paste some simple markup into your webpage than configure jQuery. The only thing holding native web components back right now is that there aren't as many to choose from yet - but that'll change.

[@sandeepvk]

Al bleeding edge of technology. Progressive Webapp and Single page apps are great ! Do you have favourite Javascript book for beginners?

[@DanFletcher90]

JavaScript is not my first language, so I actually learned mostly from reading docs. So I don't have a book to recommend, but I think anything from O'Reilly is a good place to start. All of their material is very high quality and in my experience has never been a waste of dollars.

[@sandeepvk]

Great thanks much appreciate that. I can not seem to gel progressive enhancement vs. single page web apps. Are there instances when one is better than the other? Or are they not even antagonistic technologies, and I am missing something here with my mental model? One is simply focusing all tagging to HTML while the other is moving everything away from it into JSON API's

[@DanFletcher90]

Heh. You and me and the rest of the community :) I refer you to this article: hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f#.tos1xckps

[@billy_chow]

Thanks My man you give a lot of Use full things I'm inspired. I'm doing my bachelors in computer science and i really get loads of information from your channel thanks mate. Cheers!!! And make more . . . keep rocking hahaha

[@john.morris]

Will do! Thanks. Appreciate the comment

[@theteknologist9574]

John, I know you have a background in marketing, but for those of us who don't how do you balance getting. better at coding and learning to market yourself better as a developer. In the world of nickle and dining clients on sites like uowork how do you reach that balance of technical skills and value?

[@john.morris]

+Dee McDonald well now that's a very good question. I'm going to tackle this in tomorrow's podcast. Deserves a full treatment.

[@deretano_fondelli]

PYPL index shows PHP at 5th and a declining trend of -1.4 % (2018).

[@ConquerJS]

I never understood the whole "php is dead" mantra since Wordpress is SO popular and will continue to be so. So clearly php should be in any freelance developer's toolset. That said, it seems that if you want to work with one of the new companies in silicon valley or some cool new startup (the kind that try to be like google) it seems learning javascript/ruby/python is the way to go. I worked at a boutique recruitment agency in New York and very few of the companies we worked with sought php developers.

[@john.morris]

I imagine that's true. But yeah... PHP is alive and well.

[@suaz94]

I like the content you produce, but sometimes I'm just interested in a specific part (and it's very likely that other people have the same issue), so I'd appreciate if you could include a simple breakdown of the video in the description. e.g: 00:00 - 1:00 Intro, 1:01 - 2:32 Topic after the intro, 2:33 - 4:24 The next part, and so forth. Besides this makes it easier to retain what you say :)

[@john.morris]

+Luis Paredes 00:00 - 13:28: Stuff

[@suaz94]

+John Morris hahshshhhs, I know my example is as random as it can be, but it actually would be a nice addition ;)

[@john.morris]

+Luis Paredes I did that for hour long podcasts but 13 minutes videos like this I'll probably never do since they're usually a single topic.

[@stefan4800]

Those titles like "PHP is dead", "C# is dead", "Ruby is dead", even "JavaScript is dead" even it's the only programing language which runs inside browser and basicly has no alternative. are just using for making views up. The tragedy is the most readers and viewers of those "articles" or videos are noobs and beginners who doesn't have a clue. Even if PHP is going down, he will stay the king in the next 10 years.

[@noisevector]

In the end it's not about the tool you used to build, but the solution you created with it.

[@shoebahemad2171]

Hey dude I want project based on php

[@SurviveOnlyStrong]

I am start learning web development and everybody everywhere seems like hate php. But when i search for jobs in my town i see this: Python: 6 jobs, Java: 9, C#: 4, Ruby: 1, Node.js: 9, and PHP: 36. If i search for job in whole country PHP is #1, 2x more than Java jobs, 2.5x more than c# and c++. Just look(whole country): Python: 159, Ruby: 70, Node.js: 162, and PHP: 919. After research bad stereotypes about PHP was gone away from my head)

[@john.morris]

Yip. Should tell you a lot about listening those "know-it-alls".

[@LivinginSouthChina]

used many languages ... including fancy node.js/express and asp.net .. I still feel that PHP is DESIGNED better than the others right out of the box .. at least for "middle class" websites/developers ... i will admit i prefer the dot operator "." to invoke methods and properties much more than PHP's "->" .. that aside, php ruled in the past and will continue to rule in the future on just so many different levels ...

[@ibuprofen303]

Lol PHP dead. Nothing worse than code snobs deperately trying to prove how "clever" they are. Of course PHP isn't dead.

[@wesosdequeso8360]

If it's not dead then i may ask. How good is PHP?

[@rodgetech]

Because you can do stuff quickly in it it probably will never die but it has died in terms of innovation and doing stuff besides basic server side stuff

[@BillBaran]

People still have to support COBOL. There are government agencies still using mainframes because it's so hard for them to get funding.

[@daryldeguzman8873]

thanks for the explanation :D makes me want to learn php now :D

[@itsmestevieg81]

PHP is still stronger than ever, TIOBE indexing also gives a false positive due to UrlRewriting and a bunch of other factirs. With the increased OOP and PHP becoming a stronger TYPED language (data types can be specified) PHP is nowhere near dead, Facebook chose PHP for this reason

[@akashdhanorkar5826]

nice video.. very much to learn

[@melopc]

i think i am the only one who does bioinformatics in php CLI. it gets my job done, so well

[@goldilockszone4389]

Let's rephrase. PHP is no longer cutting edge. Even FB had to reinvent its client side through a quick rending UI toolkit aka React to hide some of the inefficiency of PHP. PHP may live on in the legacy application already build. Well mainframes are also not dead in that sense.

[@tommyhare]

Flip Tube php is a server side language, not client side.

[@goldilockszone4389]

OH MY GOD! I know that ! i was merely pointing out the inefficiencies of server side programming and PHP is unlike NodeJS, Python and Ruby has not found its niche. It runs on several apps but all those apps are old. Look at the new age companies like Airbnb and Uber. They don't bother to deploy PHP

[@ibuprofen303]

I think FB probably had to reinvent its client side partly because the whole site has become a complete mess coding-wise. Not so much to do with the language it was coded in. I would imagine the FB code as it currently stands is a runaway beast of fighting fires. The user interface is clunky and badly designed.

[@tommyhare]

they still use HipHop in lots of the backend. They are using React for the newer client-side features and using GO lang to handle database exchange.

[@hasaraka]

Maybe fewer people are researching PHP not because it is irrelevant, but perhaps if it is common enough that it powers 70 to 80% of websites, then most if not all, coders must already know it. It is common enough that there's no reason to research it if you know programming. Think of it this way, if you had a dictionary, are you looking up the definition of "cat"? No, you look up words like "zygote". Looking up words like cat would be a waste of your time. (fun fact: zygoat is the process of cell division after the fertilization of an egg. it is a killer scrabble word lol.)

[@eitkoml]

Yes, PHP and Wordpress are heavily used and are very useful for getting an income.

[@venkataprasad8676]

Its 2018, it is ranked 4

[@muhammadwaqasmuhammadsalee1710]

who the hell are they. I am learning this language. I know about other language but I found PHP very interesting then other.

[@scvroin]

My answer on quara on an similiar topic www.quora.com/What-is-the-new-language-to-replace-PHP/answer/Silviu-Constantin-Voicu?srid=2mjZ And also how I liked the programming to be, php or any other language www.quora.com/Which-language-is-going-to-dominate-the-future-of-web-development-JavaScript-PHP-Ruby-Java-Scala-or-Python/answer/Silviu-Constantin-Voicu?srid=2mjZ

[@jwellz30]

Hey John, great video. Could you do a video on paying taxes as a freelancer.

[@john.morris]

I could do one on what I know. Honestly, that junk still confuses me at times. But yeah... I'll see what I can do.

[@jwellz30]

Thanks, I appreciate it. Also, thanks for all the time and effort you put into making these videos. Very helpful to a lot of people.

[@markbush9104]

Hi John. Thanks for the vid. There is a web browser plugin which I have been using for a long time called Wappalyzer, i use it in my chrome browser, it tracks the technologies and software used by websites. It's really good. If you go to the Wappalyzer website it shows the most popular softwares used on the web and they are all mostly php based. I think the language depends on the project. Java was never designed initially for the web, Php is definitely the most widely used. I think all the Ruby and Python fan boys, and girls, are probably feeling a bit butt hurt now lol

[@john.morris]

+Mark Bush yeah definitely. The project determines the language in a lot of ways. That's actually a point I made in the full podcast. That's part of why PHP is so popular. Joe's Auto Body isn't switching off PHP because some 20-year-old developer writes a snarky medium article about it.

[@willwright2099]

Facebook's engine is built on php platform.

[@jerrylove1759]

I know python (Django) But PHP is my favorite I believe its one of the easiest programming languages

[@newbprogramming5043]

Lua is not on there so I don't like that popularity chart.

[@gracian1477]

I use PHP and Javascript, escpecially i love Php....

[@zsoltoroszlany]

It is the same thing with games, e.g. World of Warcraft online mmorpg, theres is always somebody saying that wow is dead. Like WoW, like PHP is not dead. Those who share messages like this are dead, brean dead!

[@john.morris]

Lol

[@somethingtojenga]

Meanwhile, Java's like 'I dun give a f%$# about this, PYPL, TIOBE, imma just sit at the top here. Of both. By a lot.'

[@ahmetkaraman993]

i hope

[@danpride2804]

PHP App engine is awesome, fast and incredibly powerful

[@pchandu1995]

and everyone thinks c is also dead.

[@BobTheBob647]

PHP is sort of like the plumber of the tech space. It's in demand. It pays well. But it's not sexy.

[@fennecinspace]

it's not that php is used by more sites -> it's that they have to, because when they started their companies php was popular and it would be hard for them to migrate their code base to another new language today. and smaller websites are forced to use php because free or cheap hosting provide a cpanel for php only. PHP sucks and here's why - apps written in other langugaes scale better than apps written in php (it doesn't scale very well ) - it trains beginners on bad practices - readability (just the worst) - debugging (pain in the ass - the dollar sign (the most annoying thing ever) and much more ...

[@john.morris]

👍

[@deretano_fondelli]

Don't forget WordPress and "commercial" shared web-hosting. Bottom line is that people do not choose PHP explicitly. If you wanna do a small-medium websites you are basically forced to choose either WordPress or just plain PHP. So yes PHP is not dead, and will never die, but at the same time is a dying technology for big projects.

[@maximumfate4495]

well said for those who ate php is end.

[@020Ranz]

The most modern PHP is in laravel

[@AdamRifau]

you just can't kill 82.5% of websites .. w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all

[@KimYoungUn69]

php is awesome i love it incombonination with jquery!!

[@phpBasics]

PHP is alive and well. :)

[@samuelclemens6841]

PHP is a dying language. Don't get wrapped up in web code so much that you ignore the fact that the rest of the software industry, which is REALLY big, doesn't use or care about PHP. Just like COBOL, PHP will probably always exist in some form or another. But it's hardly used, if it's used at all, outside of specific segments of web programming and it's facing a lot of changes from the likes of Python, Ruby, Node, and even C#.

[@ayylmaoooo]

75% of websites use PHP because of Wordpress

[@milosmik]

Lol PhP is alive. Every needs PhP.

[@grantdavis6241]

Did you get smarter or did I?

[@ferhoba]

Noooooo waaaaaaay!

[@john.morris]

:)

[@cbrcoder]

Wonder what happens to millions of sites running PHP (specifically wordpress!). Only a supreme stupid will think PHP is dying because millions are sites are not moving to something new :D

[@deretano_fondelli]

Most of those sites have little to no traffic, mostly abandoned, so yea they are not moving on something new... The worst thing of all is that anybody can use Wordpress and mostly anybody can make a "crappy copy-paste" PHP script to make their newsletter form work. PHP is dying in terms of real-world app usage, but if you talk about Wordpress "app" and small businesses that do not use the net as their unique source of income, then is still alive and strong. And because of this, the job market for PHP developers is relatively poor, and with tons of other options, PHP is the least favorite.

[@jonathanaguilar990]

Node.js is better for new developers.

[@LivinginSouthChina]

i don't think so

[@draakisback]

I know it's not dead but like Java I wish it was dead.

[@draakisback]

mrblob20 well I'm not sure if you are in the professional scene. most new java developers are hired for maintaining code rather then writing new code. basically, while java is still a strong and fast language, many companies have dropped it in favor of other languages that support concurrency and asynchronous processes and languages that have less verbose syntax. of course this isn't the case with android mobile app development but then even many of those developers are moving away from java in favor of other solutions; react native and Scala come to mind.

[@piq-dg3vz]

thumbs down. unsub

[@john.morris]

+Ken Aguilar lol. Needed to make sure I saw, right. Makes you feel better...